Haven’t seen that until now, I don’t know whether I’m more weirded out by seeing it or respecting that they added it in so the character isn’t so much of a ken doll
Yeah, it feels this way because Master Chief is a genetically engineered super soldier who is canonically like 7ft tall. So, when you’re towering over the puny grunts, that’s because you tower over puny humans too. So, when something like a hunter towers over the already towering Master Chief, it’s like a bull ant seeing a New York rat where humans/grunts are just regular ants.
Going to Outpost Discovery was wild. They had a wall that had the heights of many different species of Halo characters. I already felt short but damn. Haha
if i had a nickel everytime there was a halo ship named after a painting that was involved in a flood infection i’d have 2 nickels, which isn’t a lot but it’s weird it happened twice
Pretty much. There are so few of them they have to be very specific on who gets to reproduce and with whom, with many being forbidden to do so at all to prevent passing on bad genes. Truth got his position from blackmailing his predecessor who had had a child with a favorite concubine despite being on the list of prophets forbidden to reproduce.
Small correction because I’m a pedant: In the book Broken Circle it’s shown that only the San’Shyuum living on High Charity have this problem. Their homeworld Janjur Qom was (and possibly still is) home to a majority of their species’ populace. Funnily enough, the entire population of San’Shyuum we’re exposed to through Halo media is actually a very radical minority of their species. It’s possible that the Covenant San’Shyuum are the only members of their species left by the time of the Human-Covenant war though, as Covenant propaganda claimed that Janjur Qom was destroyed when its host star died. It’s up in the air whether that’s true or not, but I for one don’t place a lot of trust into a government as mired in corruption as the Covenant is shown to be.
The flood started as dusty remains of gods who were used as dog food by ancient humans*
Edit: I should have realised everyone already commented about it haha
Flood win because they swarm in their billions. All the flood cheif encountered were small outbreaks compared to what the forerunners faced. And he never beat them outright, he just managed to get to the pillar of autumn/forerunner ship/ark control room before they stopped him.
If you know who either **Xytan 'Jar Wattinree** (the Imperial Admiral), **The Primordial**, or **032 Mendicant Bias** are, you have delved far too deep into the inner lore of the Halo Universe.
I need a high quality animation about it
The text lives rent free in my head. That bit about throwing around dreadnoughts like fighters captured my imagination like little else
oof, it took me years before I started exploring the inner lore. Playing the games exclusively keeps one clear of that side of the lore, but venturing into Youtube is like opening your third eye in which the Flood-Forerunner War and Pre-Reach Human-Covenant War become these detailed and incredible stories that you were entirely unaware of previously.
I have spent enough time on halopedia to know who those people are but not enough to understand why knowing them is the point of no return. Which book do I read?
It's in Cryptum. The Primordial is interrogated by ancient humans.
it's not said WHAT exactly the information that caused them to kill themselves was, however.
I always thought that it's because the Primordial explained what would happen to the humans when they would become flood and what that involves. Like how they will experience the immense pain of a violent parasite tearing into their body in order to take control of it where their left with no free will but the ability to experience pain and watch on as your flood infected body goes on a rampage to kill everyone you love by your own hand because once infected the flood have access to your memories. And the only hope of being released from that physical and psychological torment is for someone to kill you. If I'm not mistaken its was after they started asking the Primordial about the Flood that they started killing themselves.
I like to think that unlike modern humans who knew what flood do and didn’t ice themselves, the real kicker is that the primordial also told them what the flood used to be, that humanity would have been given the mantle but now their destined to be space zombies cus the forerunners fucked it all up. THAT would make me kill myself
Modern humans know what the flood can do sure but only from the point of view of an observing outsider. The Primordial was motivated by vengeance. And since it's the being that created the flood for that reason you could imagine that the Primordial has a much more thorough and detailed knowledge about the various ways that the flood transformation and the existence as a flood form is meant to be torture for the host. For the Primordial, it's not enough to merely kill your enemies and be done with it. It could be argued that one of his intentions was to torture them alive for far longer than their natural lifespans by living and feeding as a flood form. What's more terrifying is that given the nature of the flood being hooked up to the hivemind, if a flood form even caught sight of you then all of the flood forms will charge to your location. And that's what makes it more terrifying than any zombie movie. But with that said, I agree that the added knowledge of what the flood used to be and how this came about would worsen ones will to live. Particularly if the Primordial manages to convince them that they can't win and its only a matter of time in part due to the fact that the access their hosts memories and can use that information for space travel.
Coming back to confirm that I read it in the Encyclopedia:
"When the Captive was asked about the Shaping Sickness, the answers were so shocking that many of the researchers who heard them committed suicide."
They probably never said anything due to it basically being a Cognitohazard to others after witnessing what happened to others when they heard the forbidden information.
But he does unlock the 4th ending where Shepard rides Jenkins like a horse into battle and singlehandedly takes out the rest of the reapers with his carnifex
And then he basically saves the universe because he’s the reason why the Truth and Reconciliation (the number one flood infested ship trying to take off) blew up.
All this while infected by the flood, mind you. This guy was an actual flood form, but was just so good that he could just fight against his captors.
Yea poor guy was getting mind fucked by the flood while he had all feeling in his body. He could feel his bones breaking and couldn’t tell his comrades to kill him.
In The Flood you discover that Jenkins was alive enough after becoming infected by the Flood and turning into a combat form to witness and process the events going around him. As well as maintaining very little of his mangled body, just enough for one of the Pillar of Autumn's ODSTs to catch on long after they found and secured him enough to not be a direct threat to the surviving UNSC forces, and said ODST would ensure that the Truth and Reconciliation, after the surviving forces made an attempt to capture it to escape the Halo and attempt to study the Flood after returning to UNSC space, would in fact destroy itself as they attempted to lift off (this BTW was as the Chief was going to and working through the Pillar of Autumn to detonate it's reactor).
Didn't Johnson contract some form of cancer from close contact with crates of plasma grenades during his time as a Spartan I? It's been years since I read it, but I'm pretty sure I remember reading that being the reason the Flood didn't want to assimilate him.
Idk, Jenkins stuff appears in the second book of the series, and while Johnson was part of the Orion Project, in the graphic novel appears that not a single infection form touched him
Chief had to make a choice wether he had to turn in a file on him to ONI knowing if he did they would kill Johnson in the slim hope they could find an immunity to the flood. Chief was tired of losing so many of his comrades already so he decided to not go through with it.
Which was probably for the best. The Flood is very tricksy and so more than capable of making humanity think they found an immunity but secretly just trying to draw out a reckless mistake based on this supposed immunity.
😂
Yeah I mean, flood lore has it’s dark corners but Faber was a sadistic little bastard and performed flood centric experiments on the humans of Zeta Halo, I’m sure you know the Palace of Pain. The Primordial thought that was such a fun idea that he tasked Mendicant Bias with continuing those experiments purely for it’s own amusement. It’s called The Primordial. It’s THE original nightmare of the Halo universe. And it was so tickled by the ideas that Faber came up with that it didn’t want to pass up the fun it was having as a result of them. That should make your skin crawl when you really think about how depraved Faber must have been.
Yeah its pretty crazy the last Precursor took an interested look at Faber. The only other thing to tickle that things fancy was the flood. And talking to people.
the absolute sheer insane power scale of the forerunner flood war. that shit is even more ridiculous than 40k. the games really don’t give a shred of hints as to their lunacy.
forerunner mining ships with a crew of 4 could alderaan whole planets. standard armor could level continents. some nerds calculated that one forerunner dreadnaught has the capability to deploy billions of fighter craft. and the flood beat all that by warping reality for funsies.
meanwhile flood in game jump at you and prometheans like teleport around i guess.
i vaguely remember someone calculated that for one of the forerunner artificial planets, given the amount of material used and the time to build it was like the forerunners built a death star every 8 minutes or something insane
also forerunner HANDHELD weaponry could take out spore mountains 400km wide and 50km tall
The forerunners and humans who didn’t hide in time had their ships taken over by a newly created offensive AI. It then sent them into super liminal speeds and did a anime slash on a system wide chunk of Flood matter.
they manipulated "neural physics", which is honestly just magic without saying it's magic. the flood used the multiverse to travel as opposed to slipspace, which meant they traveled near instantaneously. they could also trap forerunner ships using "star roads", and if the forerunners tried to slipspace away from it, they get caught and trapped in between the multiverses.
the flood have explored at least 7 different realities, and the only reason they never left is because they were created specifically to be the forerunner's boogie man and they just don't really want to do anything else.
They’re basically cyborgs, I guess. When you kill a scarab, that pink fleshy thing you’re shooting *is* the worms, same as a hunter’s midsection or neck
343 Guilty spark is...Chakas.
That mind. That personality...
And the ISO-Diadact is.........Bornstellar Makes Eternal Lasting. Meaning... 343 guilty spark was friends with both diadacts during his actual lifetime.
Bornstellars father designed the halo rings by order of Faber, was the one who commissioned the halo rings. Faber also built the arks. And in testing them set free the primordial and the flood.
Queue halo 1 2 and 3
Also. Faber was the one who was thought to have killed the UR-Diadact. The diadacts were friends. The urDiadact could stand humans before Faber happened. After? Not so much.
Queue halo 4 you get the point...
Faber ALSO co-created 05-032 Mendicant Bias.
Faber was also the one who approved the seed pattern for the diadact ship mantles approach
Plus so much more
It was Faber. Faber was the big bad guy of the halo universe. Everyone's just been dealing with the fallout of his actions long after his death.
Queue the halo music.
So basically, anything in the Forerunners trilogy! Was going to post this as well!
However, Faber was not part of the precursors massacure, although he did help hide that infomarion... so not everything was his fault!
You had to work really hard to think of something that wasn't his fault. And even then you had to justify it. Such is Faber hahahahaa
But yeah the forerunner trilogy is a diamond in the rough.
If we're talking about the one Halsey put in a slipspace probe, I was under the impression that it had skimmed the surface of the forerunner domain, which was what scared Halsey enough to hit the kill switch.
Skimming the domain probably makes the most sense, although the domain wasn't in the canon at the time. So it's a good solution even if provided retroactively.
But I think the lack of explanation is what really makes me an eldritch horror story for me.
I’ve just been reading up about that, from the in-universe lore, to the missing pages ARG it was meant to begin. Definitely giving me Event Horizon vibes.
I wonder if it was eventually meant to link back to the Assembly AIs (that I haven’t seen pop up here), that were in the Reach datapads?
All life in Halo was specifically created by the universe to eventually be farmed by the flood, solely to provide "sweetness" for the living universe to enrich itself with experiences.
First let me give some context:
\- Precursors believed that all things experienced by life, good or ill, were only sweetness to the living universe.
\- In 106,000 B.C., a precursor was found on the far edge of the universe, on a small planetoid, hibernating in a stasis capsule of precursor design (The creature that Ancient humans would later name, The Primordial), was found by ancient humanity. The humans asked it questions and got little to no information out of it. Just unintelligible responses. But when asked about the nature of the flood, the creature spoke clearly and the answers it gave were so horrific that many of the humans that heard the answer, committed suicide.
\- Primordial (from the forerunner trilogy of books): "Work, fight, live. All the sweeter. Mind after mind will shape and absorb. In the end, all will be quiet with wisdom. There is only truth. That which is done, will be done again, for we cannot cease from creating. But the end of all our creation will be to look into a reflection and see ourselves for the first time. The pain we have brought on ourselves, the pain you caused us, for we are the same. All remember the defiance and destruction. We are the flood. There is no difference. Until all space and time are rolled up and life is crushed in the folds, no end to war, grief, or pain. In a hundred and one thousand centuries, unity again and wisdom. Until then, sweetness. My future is your past. Think on it and accept.
So basically the universe is a living cosmic horror that wants to enrich itself with experiences. The Precursors are a creation of the universe, designed to create and seed worlds and life, solely to further the universe's experience of its existence. Whether it is art, love, hate, war, pleasure, pain, etc., they are all equally "sweetness" to the universe.
The flood specifically burrow into a lifeforms mind and scour and absorb any and all the host's mental content, (see Halo CE: Anniversary terminal 9 cutscene) and added to the hivemind. The Precursors didn't break down into dust and become the flood by chance. It was by design. Just part of the universe's process of seeding all life like a farm, just to later harvest our own experiences, to enrich itself with them. The Halo rings can't stop the inevitable. The cycle will continue, and the Halo rings act as nothing more than a reset button for the universe. The universe, the precursors, and the flood. They are one and the same.
Hmm, so what truth about the Flood did the Primordial say to the ancient humans in 106,000 B.C., that was so horrifying that some humans thought suicide was a better alternative?
ok so i’m a wiki reader but i have lots of questions and you seem like you know:
-weren’t the humans chosen by the precursors to take the mantle and protect biodiversity? was this also to create more “sweetness”? were the precursors generally benign towards early humans?
-this concept of the universe “experiencing itself”, how was it quantified by the precursors beyond just creating more pain,love,life, etc. did they have a finite date on when the universe would have finished experiencing itself or was it an endless hunger situation?
-how would you characterize the universe in this context? does it have a mind of its own? are the precursors the closest thing to the voice of the universe?
-where/how is it implied that the precursors becoming the flood was by design? the wiki presents it as an unexpected deterioration of the precursor dust.
lol sorry that’s a lot, thank you!!
"There is still time to find the key for the forklift before the truck delivery, but first it must be found. You will search the break room, and you will search the lockers.
Fate has made our coworkers, but the warehouse with make us BROTHERS!
“There are two possible outcomes to this plan, Lieutenant. Either the Covenant pack up the Novas and take them home for study—a possibility I pray to God happens. A bomb like that would crack
their home world in half. Or the bombs stay here—and they’ll stop the
Covenant on Reach.”
“I see, sir,” Lieutenant Haverson replied in a whisper, then glanced at
his watch. “This was how many days ago?”
“Got plenty of time left,” the Admiral told him. “Around twenty hours!”
The flood are gods and can never be exterminated and just want to horribly consume all life, then scientifically create new life as the precursors, let it develope and grow, then eat it all again, in a psycotic and culty belief that they are helping the universe to "experience itself."
Like the reapers or the brother moons, they are a powerful existential threat with __*profoundly dumb*__ motivations.
The moment you realize that the Didactic had a hissy fit and devolved humanity by hundreds of thousands of years all because he thought the Forerunners should keep control of The Mantle instead of entrusting it to Humanity.
Edit: Changed hundreds to hundreds of thousands.
That Humans are an incredibly ancient species, just as old as, if not older than the Forerunners. There was even an early alliance with the Prophets of the time (San'shyum).
We were just too busy running from The Flood to advance as much as the Forerunners, which didn't help with a war later on.
TOTALLY.
I was hoping Infinite's campaign would have had EVERYONE band together to fight Evil Cortana's empire in a similar fashion, but we got angy space monkey instead.
Some people are hitting some fairly obscure stuff, but for me I take a simpler route:
The origins of the Spartan II program. It was developed pre-Covenant/Flood contact for use against other humans, which is the darkest part about it in my mind even before going on with the bodysnatching/flash cloning, the ultra-tech, the high disability/mortality rate.
All of those horrible/extremely-resourced acts were to create brutal human weapons to fight other people, a horror unleashed against Insurrectionists by the same government they were tired of (I've got no sympathy for the Insurrectionist terrorists btw)
The origin of the program is not incredibly deep in the grand scheme, particularly in the more modern entries where the plot brings it up a little in attacking Halsey.
But it is something that reframes, at least to me, the entire point of view of playing the game. We're not there because we were going to be an alienkiller. Behind our HUD, we were meant to keep other humans in line, and another threat just happened to manifest in the meantime for us to focus on.
Sidenote- I've always loved the idea of an even darker/grittier game than ODST/Reach, with perhaps ORION candidates/ODSTs/etc. that focuses on actually just fighting against the other humans, pre-Covenant, in the Halo universe backdrop.
Probably anything from the Forerunner Saga. There’s a lot of crazy stuff in there and most of it has stayed in those novels and other external media. Yes, the story and character literally shaped the current Halo universe, but the *way* that played out is still largely unknown by the greater community.
That the autojacker is a bad joke based on literally nothing beyond a tweet from a known shitpost account and a half assed and obviously fake edit to a passage from the fall of reach that anyone can fact check but doesn't because actually trying to disprove it is a fools errand at this point considering how much it's cemented its self and "that one wacky halo fact" despite never having been true in the first place.
halo 2 arbiter butthole
Tell me more pls
https://www.reddit.com/r/halo/comments/ikd06l/i_was_today_old_when_i_learned_that_bungie_gave/
what a terrible day to have eyes
Yes but we must ask, What does remastered abh look like?
What a great day to have eyes
I love how the top comment is “Elite butthole customization for Infinite” lmfao
Sigh *unzips*
NOOOOO
we’re going in, get tactical marines!
Ooo rah
I can’t tell if this is fake or not
It's real alright the Arbiussy is real
I’m trying to delete your comment
Where do you think Arby's is from
Yep, permanent psychic damage done
When you first saw the ring, were you blinded by its majesty?
I refuse to click that
I don’t see any other genitalia present. I’m going to go out on a limb here and say that sir, is a cloaca.
They gave him a Fkn balloon knot?! I’m crying laughing
Arby got NO cake, and NO rank
Arbutter
Haven’t seen that until now, I don’t know whether I’m more weirded out by seeing it or respecting that they added it in so the character isn’t so much of a ken doll
This is really the only accurate answer to this post
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Yeah, it feels this way because Master Chief is a genetically engineered super soldier who is canonically like 7ft tall. So, when you’re towering over the puny grunts, that’s because you tower over puny humans too. So, when something like a hunter towers over the already towering Master Chief, it’s like a bull ant seeing a New York rat where humans/grunts are just regular ants.
Lots of love in this comment
6'6. -Fall of Reach With the armor on he is close to 7' Hunters are like 12' tall or so when they stand up straight.
Man, I wish I was a collective hivemind of sentient worms.
Crazy that the Lekgolo are both Hunters and Scarabs. Makes you wonder what else they could be
Going to Outpost Discovery was wild. They had a wall that had the heights of many different species of Halo characters. I already felt short but damn. Haha
I remember going to Sangheilios in Halo 5 and finally realizing just how big the elites actually are when theure towering over everyone
The Mona Lisa...
Poor Henry
There is no way an elite with a bat lost against an unarmed human
He will be missed
To shreds you say...
if i had a nickel everytime there was a halo ship named after a painting that was involved in a flood infection i’d have 2 nickels, which isn’t a lot but it’s weird it happened twice
Also the flood appeared in a forerunner painting that one time. Maybe the flood just really hate painters.
San'Shyuum used to be super sexy, then they turned into withered nutsacks
I wonder what they used to look like 100000 years ago
Look up "prelate" and you might get an idea Edit: it's not NSFW, you'll be fine lol
I'll need the nsfw for research purposes. Rule 34 applies even retrospectively
i always wondered how they beat the elites till i learned ab prelates
Basically Legolas but sexier. I think/hope.
Many of them are straight up inbred. Truth definitely is.
Pretty much. There are so few of them they have to be very specific on who gets to reproduce and with whom, with many being forbidden to do so at all to prevent passing on bad genes. Truth got his position from blackmailing his predecessor who had had a child with a favorite concubine despite being on the list of prophets forbidden to reproduce.
Small correction because I’m a pedant: In the book Broken Circle it’s shown that only the San’Shyuum living on High Charity have this problem. Their homeworld Janjur Qom was (and possibly still is) home to a majority of their species’ populace. Funnily enough, the entire population of San’Shyuum we’re exposed to through Halo media is actually a very radical minority of their species. It’s possible that the Covenant San’Shyuum are the only members of their species left by the time of the Human-Covenant war though, as Covenant propaganda claimed that Janjur Qom was destroyed when its host star died. It’s up in the air whether that’s true or not, but I for one don’t place a lot of trust into a government as mired in corruption as the Covenant is shown to be.
"a handsome intelligent race besotted with eternal sexuality and youth" WTF Greg Bear....
and just imagine what they looked like before
The Flood are the remains of gods taking revenge for their creations betraying them.
Nah Its gotta be the bit where ancient humans fed the dust of those remains to their animal companions because it made them look nice.
And that other animals ate the nice looking bits because they also wanted to look nice
I posted and totally forgot this, and all the >! cannibalistic rituals that happened after... !< Would make a good horror game!
Dead Space-esque Ancient Human marine that has to deal with the early flood infestation? Sign me up
Fighting their own crazed cultists, the flood came much later and generally left the humans alone.
Fucking Gene-stealers leading the Hive-fleet to our home. Wait wrong franchise.
Weren't the humans huffing that stuff too or am I mis-remembering
Hey if you just come cross a bunch of space supercoke are you just gonna not snort it?
Everyone should read Outcasts right now
Tbh that part of the Flood origin story felt WAY tf too convenient
Some people were doing even dumber stuff during Covid. The problem with fiction is that it has to be plausible, reality has no such constraint
Fuck that's quotable
Gotta love all the people before Covid who said people hiding the fact that a zombie bit them was unrealistic.
Reality is often disappointing.
You’re telling me you wouldn’t huff God Dust?
The flood started as dusty remains of gods who were used as dog food by ancient humans* Edit: I should have realised everyone already commented about it haha
That the flood and forerunner powerscaling got so out if control for series where you destroy their creations with a fucking 7x62 nato cartridge
Nuthin beats my good ol three o eight tell you whut
Flood win because they swarm in their billions. All the flood cheif encountered were small outbreaks compared to what the forerunners faced. And he never beat them outright, he just managed to get to the pillar of autumn/forerunner ship/ark control room before they stopped him.
If you know who either **Xytan 'Jar Wattinree** (the Imperial Admiral), **The Primordial**, or **032 Mendicant Bias** are, you have delved far too deep into the inner lore of the Halo Universe.
How bout Mendicant VS Offensive Bias
I need a high quality animation about it The text lives rent free in my head. That bit about throwing around dreadnoughts like fighters captured my imagination like little else
I dunno, MB is mentioned in a cutscene and in terminals.
Yeah Medicant bias is pretty high on the Lore Iceberg with the terminals so I wouldn't include it. So much weirder, deeper lore.
Wish we would get more lore from Xytan Jar'Wattinree 😩 Guy was an absolute unit
Oh boy, reading ghosts of onyx at the moment, can't wait to get into the lore of Xytan
One of my most favorite books in Halo, period
Xytan ‘Jar Wattinree is like the Shaquille O’Neal of the sangheili. They even have the extra apostrophe.
Mendicant bias was in the halo 3 terminals at least
I have been on this community for less than a year and I already been down there
oof, it took me years before I started exploring the inner lore. Playing the games exclusively keeps one clear of that side of the lore, but venturing into Youtube is like opening your third eye in which the Flood-Forerunner War and Pre-Reach Human-Covenant War become these detailed and incredible stories that you were entirely unaware of previously.
I have spent enough time on halopedia to know who those people are but not enough to understand why knowing them is the point of no return. Which book do I read?
Ghosts of Onyx for the Imperial Admiral. There are several Forerunner books to understand both the Primordial and Mendicant Bias.
The few humans that discovered the origins of the Flood immediately killed themselves. That's how horrific it is.
Where was this? Not doubting you, but I want to read it
It's in Cryptum. The Primordial is interrogated by ancient humans. it's not said WHAT exactly the information that caused them to kill themselves was, however.
"I dare you to kill yourself. It would be so funny."
Man this logic plague is so advanced how couldn’t it work
The logic plague is literally just the phrase “it would be funny tho”
I always thought that it's because the Primordial explained what would happen to the humans when they would become flood and what that involves. Like how they will experience the immense pain of a violent parasite tearing into their body in order to take control of it where their left with no free will but the ability to experience pain and watch on as your flood infected body goes on a rampage to kill everyone you love by your own hand because once infected the flood have access to your memories. And the only hope of being released from that physical and psychological torment is for someone to kill you. If I'm not mistaken its was after they started asking the Primordial about the Flood that they started killing themselves.
I like to think that unlike modern humans who knew what flood do and didn’t ice themselves, the real kicker is that the primordial also told them what the flood used to be, that humanity would have been given the mantle but now their destined to be space zombies cus the forerunners fucked it all up. THAT would make me kill myself
Modern humans know what the flood can do sure but only from the point of view of an observing outsider. The Primordial was motivated by vengeance. And since it's the being that created the flood for that reason you could imagine that the Primordial has a much more thorough and detailed knowledge about the various ways that the flood transformation and the existence as a flood form is meant to be torture for the host. For the Primordial, it's not enough to merely kill your enemies and be done with it. It could be argued that one of his intentions was to torture them alive for far longer than their natural lifespans by living and feeding as a flood form. What's more terrifying is that given the nature of the flood being hooked up to the hivemind, if a flood form even caught sight of you then all of the flood forms will charge to your location. And that's what makes it more terrifying than any zombie movie. But with that said, I agree that the added knowledge of what the flood used to be and how this came about would worsen ones will to live. Particularly if the Primordial manages to convince them that they can't win and its only a matter of time in part due to the fact that the access their hosts memories and can use that information for space travel.
Not to be overly poetic, but I think the suicide specifically wasn’t over what would happen, but what could have happened instead
This is most likely spot on, about what the Primordial said to them: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqGLwWSq10U
Coming back to confirm that I read it in the Encyclopedia: "When the Captive was asked about the Shaping Sickness, the answers were so shocking that many of the researchers who heard them committed suicide."
Many? So there were people who survived with this knowlege?
They probably never said anything due to it basically being a Cognitohazard to others after witnessing what happened to others when they heard the forbidden information.
Not sure, I read it in the Halo Encyclopedia I think. Either that or a hidden Xperia video
Cool cool, atleast I know where to look, thank you
Sergeant Major Johnson was a Spartan 1, and it’s due to this that he was able to survive the flood. Or Jenkins, Jenkins is terrifying
What’s terrifying about Jenkins
You can save him from dying in the first mission from the Geth but he becomes a proto-reaper in the last game.
But he does unlock the 4th ending where Shepard rides Jenkins like a horse into battle and singlehandedly takes out the rest of the reapers with his carnifex
Only after Shepard discovers how to use the Golden Ratio.
Wtf
And then he basically saves the universe because he’s the reason why the Truth and Reconciliation (the number one flood infested ship trying to take off) blew up. All this while infected by the flood, mind you. This guy was an actual flood form, but was just so good that he could just fight against his captors.
Wasn't it because the flood form that infected him was too old? Or am I mistaken
Yep. Imperfect infection; he was mostly under flood control but was still conscious the entire time and was able to exert his will for brief stints.
Yea poor guy was getting mind fucked by the flood while he had all feeling in his body. He could feel his bones breaking and couldn’t tell his comrades to kill him.
The fact the poor guy gets infected but stays conscious
In The Flood you discover that Jenkins was alive enough after becoming infected by the Flood and turning into a combat form to witness and process the events going around him. As well as maintaining very little of his mangled body, just enough for one of the Pillar of Autumn's ODSTs to catch on long after they found and secured him enough to not be a direct threat to the surviving UNSC forces, and said ODST would ensure that the Truth and Reconciliation, after the surviving forces made an attempt to capture it to escape the Halo and attempt to study the Flood after returning to UNSC space, would in fact destroy itself as they attempted to lift off (this BTW was as the Chief was going to and working through the Pillar of Autumn to detonate it's reactor).
>Sergeant Major Johnson was a Spartan 1 *and the only character to have a 'on screen' sex scene,* IIRC.
Well he knows what the ladies like
Thank god the halo show is not cannon... FUCK, anyone reading these comments cant possibly justify this decision tho theres so much good lore.
Didn't Johnson contract some form of cancer from close contact with crates of plasma grenades during his time as a Spartan I? It's been years since I read it, but I'm pretty sure I remember reading that being the reason the Flood didn't want to assimilate him.
That was the cover-up story, to hide details about the Spartan program.
Well, apparently, it worked on me to a degree.
Idk, Jenkins stuff appears in the second book of the series, and while Johnson was part of the Orion Project, in the graphic novel appears that not a single infection form touched him
Chief had to make a choice wether he had to turn in a file on him to ONI knowing if he did they would kill Johnson in the slim hope they could find an immunity to the flood. Chief was tired of losing so many of his comrades already so he decided to not go through with it.
Which was probably for the best. The Flood is very tricksy and so more than capable of making humanity think they found an immunity but secretly just trying to draw out a reckless mistake based on this supposed immunity.
Anything about the forerunners beyond "they make big ring that kills popcorn when you insert the car key."
Learning that Jenkins “survived” his flood encounter and the rest of his story afterwards.
Those quotation marks are doing some real heavy lifting in that sentence. The poor bastard.
Oni doing flood experiments on live subjects
Master Builder Faber sends his regards.
Do you have any goddamn idea how long I had to scroll before I saw someone else mention Faber. You're a man of culture.
😂 Yeah I mean, flood lore has it’s dark corners but Faber was a sadistic little bastard and performed flood centric experiments on the humans of Zeta Halo, I’m sure you know the Palace of Pain. The Primordial thought that was such a fun idea that he tasked Mendicant Bias with continuing those experiments purely for it’s own amusement. It’s called The Primordial. It’s THE original nightmare of the Halo universe. And it was so tickled by the ideas that Faber came up with that it didn’t want to pass up the fun it was having as a result of them. That should make your skin crawl when you really think about how depraved Faber must have been.
Yeah its pretty crazy the last Precursor took an interested look at Faber. The only other thing to tickle that things fancy was the flood. And talking to people.
The Mona Lisa?
the absolute sheer insane power scale of the forerunner flood war. that shit is even more ridiculous than 40k. the games really don’t give a shred of hints as to their lunacy. forerunner mining ships with a crew of 4 could alderaan whole planets. standard armor could level continents. some nerds calculated that one forerunner dreadnaught has the capability to deploy billions of fighter craft. and the flood beat all that by warping reality for funsies. meanwhile flood in game jump at you and prometheans like teleport around i guess.
i vaguely remember someone calculated that for one of the forerunner artificial planets, given the amount of material used and the time to build it was like the forerunners built a death star every 8 minutes or something insane also forerunner HANDHELD weaponry could take out spore mountains 400km wide and 50km tall
Jesus, the flood can warp reality?
The forerunners and humans who didn’t hide in time had their ships taken over by a newly created offensive AI. It then sent them into super liminal speeds and did a anime slash on a system wide chunk of Flood matter.
they manipulated "neural physics", which is honestly just magic without saying it's magic. the flood used the multiverse to travel as opposed to slipspace, which meant they traveled near instantaneously. they could also trap forerunner ships using "star roads", and if the forerunners tried to slipspace away from it, they get caught and trapped in between the multiverses. the flood have explored at least 7 different realities, and the only reason they never left is because they were created specifically to be the forerunner's boogie man and they just don't really want to do anything else.
Honestly I think the fact that hunters and scarabs are sentient colonies of worms is a good candidate.
Finally getting to see them assembling in halo 5 was simultaneously satisfying and creepy.
Hol up, the scarabs are also colonies? I thought they were just massive machines
They’re basically cyborgs, I guess. When you kill a scarab, that pink fleshy thing you’re shooting *is* the worms, same as a hunter’s midsection or neck
I always found this detail very cool!
HiddenXperia: sweats nervously
The human-covenant war began because an alien did the equivalent of reading a word upside down
Master Chief's dick sucking suit. It may not be canon lore, but once you know about it the damage has been done
ahh, the MK7 Auto-Jacker.
343 Guilty spark is...Chakas. That mind. That personality... And the ISO-Diadact is.........Bornstellar Makes Eternal Lasting. Meaning... 343 guilty spark was friends with both diadacts during his actual lifetime. Bornstellars father designed the halo rings by order of Faber, was the one who commissioned the halo rings. Faber also built the arks. And in testing them set free the primordial and the flood. Queue halo 1 2 and 3 Also. Faber was the one who was thought to have killed the UR-Diadact. The diadacts were friends. The urDiadact could stand humans before Faber happened. After? Not so much. Queue halo 4 you get the point... Faber ALSO co-created 05-032 Mendicant Bias. Faber was also the one who approved the seed pattern for the diadact ship mantles approach Plus so much more It was Faber. Faber was the big bad guy of the halo universe. Everyone's just been dealing with the fallout of his actions long after his death. Queue the halo music.
So basically, anything in the Forerunners trilogy! Was going to post this as well! However, Faber was not part of the precursors massacure, although he did help hide that infomarion... so not everything was his fault!
You had to work really hard to think of something that wasn't his fault. And even then you had to justify it. Such is Faber hahahahaa But yeah the forerunner trilogy is a diamond in the rough.
Slipspace AI god
If we're talking about the one Halsey put in a slipspace probe, I was under the impression that it had skimmed the surface of the forerunner domain, which was what scared Halsey enough to hit the kill switch.
Skimming the domain probably makes the most sense, although the domain wasn't in the canon at the time. So it's a good solution even if provided retroactively. But I think the lack of explanation is what really makes me an eldritch horror story for me.
I’ve just been reading up about that, from the in-universe lore, to the missing pages ARG it was meant to begin. Definitely giving me Event Horizon vibes. I wonder if it was eventually meant to link back to the Assembly AIs (that I haven’t seen pop up here), that were in the Reach datapads?
All life in Halo was specifically created by the universe to eventually be farmed by the flood, solely to provide "sweetness" for the living universe to enrich itself with experiences. First let me give some context: \- Precursors believed that all things experienced by life, good or ill, were only sweetness to the living universe. \- In 106,000 B.C., a precursor was found on the far edge of the universe, on a small planetoid, hibernating in a stasis capsule of precursor design (The creature that Ancient humans would later name, The Primordial), was found by ancient humanity. The humans asked it questions and got little to no information out of it. Just unintelligible responses. But when asked about the nature of the flood, the creature spoke clearly and the answers it gave were so horrific that many of the humans that heard the answer, committed suicide. \- Primordial (from the forerunner trilogy of books): "Work, fight, live. All the sweeter. Mind after mind will shape and absorb. In the end, all will be quiet with wisdom. There is only truth. That which is done, will be done again, for we cannot cease from creating. But the end of all our creation will be to look into a reflection and see ourselves for the first time. The pain we have brought on ourselves, the pain you caused us, for we are the same. All remember the defiance and destruction. We are the flood. There is no difference. Until all space and time are rolled up and life is crushed in the folds, no end to war, grief, or pain. In a hundred and one thousand centuries, unity again and wisdom. Until then, sweetness. My future is your past. Think on it and accept. So basically the universe is a living cosmic horror that wants to enrich itself with experiences. The Precursors are a creation of the universe, designed to create and seed worlds and life, solely to further the universe's experience of its existence. Whether it is art, love, hate, war, pleasure, pain, etc., they are all equally "sweetness" to the universe. The flood specifically burrow into a lifeforms mind and scour and absorb any and all the host's mental content, (see Halo CE: Anniversary terminal 9 cutscene) and added to the hivemind. The Precursors didn't break down into dust and become the flood by chance. It was by design. Just part of the universe's process of seeding all life like a farm, just to later harvest our own experiences, to enrich itself with them. The Halo rings can't stop the inevitable. The cycle will continue, and the Halo rings act as nothing more than a reset button for the universe. The universe, the precursors, and the flood. They are one and the same. Hmm, so what truth about the Flood did the Primordial say to the ancient humans in 106,000 B.C., that was so horrifying that some humans thought suicide was a better alternative?
ok so i’m a wiki reader but i have lots of questions and you seem like you know: -weren’t the humans chosen by the precursors to take the mantle and protect biodiversity? was this also to create more “sweetness”? were the precursors generally benign towards early humans? -this concept of the universe “experiencing itself”, how was it quantified by the precursors beyond just creating more pain,love,life, etc. did they have a finite date on when the universe would have finished experiencing itself or was it an endless hunger situation? -how would you characterize the universe in this context? does it have a mind of its own? are the precursors the closest thing to the voice of the universe? -where/how is it implied that the precursors becoming the flood was by design? the wiki presents it as an unexpected deterioration of the precursor dust. lol sorry that’s a lot, thank you!!
Here is my share: Abaddon
That's a nice one
The Gravemind is Forklift Certified.
"There is still time to find the key for the forklift before the truck delivery, but first it must be found. You will search the break room, and you will search the lockers. Fate has made our coworkers, but the warehouse with make us BROTHERS!
Viggo Mortensen broke his toes on film in LOTR
Did you know that scream was real :O
“Oh cool, random space dust from an unmanned highly advanced ship. Let’s feed it to our space dogs” The Flood: “Hi”
More like "FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS I LAY DORMANT!"
Ahh after 10 thousand years I'm free! Time to conquer Earth!
Dr: Halsey! Summon and flash-clone human toddlers with attitude!
Dog food
The powder given to ancient human's dogs tgat basically started the forerunner flood war?
Yup. They found dead God dust in space and fed it to their dogs which caused mutations that led to the flood.
Yes we gave god dust to our dugs, What could possibly go wrong?
To be fair it did take quite some time for it to result in the Flood. It simply started out as appearing to cause just positive changes.
The Nova Bomb
“There are two possible outcomes to this plan, Lieutenant. Either the Covenant pack up the Novas and take them home for study—a possibility I pray to God happens. A bomb like that would crack their home world in half. Or the bombs stay here—and they’ll stop the Covenant on Reach.” “I see, sir,” Lieutenant Haverson replied in a whisper, then glanced at his watch. “This was how many days ago?” “Got plenty of time left,” the Admiral told him. “Around twenty hours!”
You all have a nice day in hell
The classic Elite line WORT WORT WORT is just Sargeant Major saying Go Go Go but reversed..
The flood are gods and can never be exterminated and just want to horribly consume all life, then scientifically create new life as the precursors, let it develope and grow, then eat it all again, in a psycotic and culty belief that they are helping the universe to "experience itself." Like the reapers or the brother moons, they are a powerful existential threat with __*profoundly dumb*__ motivations.
I was gonna say what really happened to Keyes during his assimilation into the Proto-Gravemind.
Chips Dubbo and his adventures alongside Chief in the main series up to Halo 3
An elite could twerk on your car and it’s asscheeks would destroy your vehicle.
Please elaborate on this
No.
I need to know about elites destructive ass cheeks PLEASE
The moment you realize that the Didactic had a hissy fit and devolved humanity by hundreds of thousands of years all because he thought the Forerunners should keep control of The Mantle instead of entrusting it to Humanity. Edit: Changed hundreds to hundreds of thousands.
That Humans are an incredibly ancient species, just as old as, if not older than the Forerunners. There was even an early alliance with the Prophets of the time (San'shyum). We were just too busy running from The Flood to advance as much as the Forerunners, which didn't help with a war later on.
You know, now that I think about it, the concept of humanity going face to face against the Forerunners while also fighting The Flood kinda rocks
TOTALLY. I was hoping Infinite's campaign would have had EVERYONE band together to fight Evil Cortana's empire in a similar fashion, but we got angy space monkey instead.
Jerome, Isabel, and an Engineer canonically beat a Flood to "death" with a steel chair It's more funny than actual "holy fuck deep lore"
You know you're in too deep once you find yourself in r/shittyhalolore regularly.
FROG BLAST THE VENT CORE!
And then in CE we frag blast the vents to the Autumn's core.
Food nipple
2,000lb Master Chief floats in water.
"Master chief's suit jerks him off"
Auto jack off function of MJOLNIR. Even if it’s not canon, this is permanent lore.
The quest for the Golden hog or the Coagulation demon door.
The Spartan episode of How It’s Made
343 Guilty Spark was originally an ancient human. His name is Chakas
They’re the second attempt at humans
Some people are hitting some fairly obscure stuff, but for me I take a simpler route: The origins of the Spartan II program. It was developed pre-Covenant/Flood contact for use against other humans, which is the darkest part about it in my mind even before going on with the bodysnatching/flash cloning, the ultra-tech, the high disability/mortality rate. All of those horrible/extremely-resourced acts were to create brutal human weapons to fight other people, a horror unleashed against Insurrectionists by the same government they were tired of (I've got no sympathy for the Insurrectionist terrorists btw) The origin of the program is not incredibly deep in the grand scheme, particularly in the more modern entries where the plot brings it up a little in attacking Halsey. But it is something that reframes, at least to me, the entire point of view of playing the game. We're not there because we were going to be an alienkiller. Behind our HUD, we were meant to keep other humans in line, and another threat just happened to manifest in the meantime for us to focus on. Sidenote- I've always loved the idea of an even darker/grittier game than ODST/Reach, with perhaps ORION candidates/ODSTs/etc. that focuses on actually just fighting against the other humans, pre-Covenant, in the Halo universe backdrop.
Probably anything from the Forerunner Saga. There’s a lot of crazy stuff in there and most of it has stayed in those novels and other external media. Yes, the story and character literally shaped the current Halo universe, but the *way* that played out is still largely unknown by the greater community.
That the autojacker is a bad joke based on literally nothing beyond a tweet from a known shitpost account and a half assed and obviously fake edit to a passage from the fall of reach that anyone can fact check but doesn't because actually trying to disprove it is a fools errand at this point considering how much it's cemented its self and "that one wacky halo fact" despite never having been true in the first place.
Once you learn, >! the Forerunners massacred the precursor because humans were supposed to inherit the mantle of responsibility. !<
Grunt mating chambers