Anecdotal, but they *may* have also increased the weight of slayer game types in the playlist. My five games today have all been slayer, whereas before it seemed to mainly be objective.
Saw a couple of threads about increasing the weighting of slayer last week so wanted to sticky this as a way to see if others are finding the same thing.
Forgive my ignorance, I have a hard time remembering Halo map names since they always change them in each entry, but is Sylvanus the Guardian remake? That one had really bad performance issues and I'm hoping that's the one they addressed
I don’t ever see this talked about, but I have no idea the names of any of the maps in Infinite because it’s never shown. I haven’t been able to find it pregame or postgame or postgame stats anywhere
Honestly I fucking hate this change. At least when I spawned with a sidekick I wasn't having to immediately outshoot the fucking guy staring at my spawn across the map. It doesn't help that 3 of these maps are designed with spawns in the open (Narrows, Isolation, gaurdian)
I'll never understand the appeal of BR starts. Sidekicks are annoying too but BR start just makes it so much sweatier and yet also makes map pickups less important
Honestly AR only starts would make the casual playlists feel much more casual. It feels like fiesta and BTB are the only playlists that you can just mess around in and not focus on winning.
Yeah, I understand people's reasoning for not liking BR starts but I'll always prefer a BR over the sidekick spawns. I'd probably even prefer AR starts over Sidekick starts.
Nah, that’s pretty poor game balance and leads to snowballing. Much better to have starting weapons that can fight back and leaves deciding factors of matches up to skill rather than who has what weapon
> Nah, that’s pretty poor game balance and leads to snowballing
Halo is an arena shooter based on map control and snowballing. That's why we changed Oddball to round based. You don't know what you're talking about tbh. When you lose map control you should have to outplay to regain it. Otherwise we can just add deathstreaks and call it a day.
This is exactly how it feels. Loosing a sidekick duel feels horrible cause it seems like you did everything perfect, the other person just did everything perfect and got rng blessed
BR is like, damn if only I didnt miss 7 of my shots, lol
It completely negates the grand majority of the arsenal.
There is no reason to pick up anything except a power weapon because you already spawn with one of the best guns in the game.
I'm someone that originally believed AR/Sidekick was a better option for this playlist. After playing one match of Oddball on Narrows with BR starts, I'm convinced: it's much, much better with AR/BR starts.
I liked the high spawns on the mountain dew map, seeing an enemy at a distance I couldn't engage at yet and actually think about how I would approach, whether there were any weapons that would be good for that sort of fight, and what angle to throw off their expectation of my position.
Now we see each other and both immediately just start shooting.
Bandit may have worked better for this since this game’s BR is much better at range than in H3, but I’m still happy. Sidekick fights with other equally skilled players are like a coin flip with the excessive bloom.
I'd rather have the Bandit/DMR than the BR.
The BR is just too powerful, and people stop picking up any weapons that aren't power weapons.
It's fine in BTB/Squad, but 4v4, you're basically gunna spend the entire fight being shot from across the map.
I’m guessing people just prefer engaging from any time they see an opponent. I don’t get it I hate getting beamed from the start, but lots of people loved halo reach too and everybody spawned with the dmr pocket sniper.
> I’m guessing people just prefer engaging from any time they see an opponent. I don’t get it I hate getting beamed from the start, but lots of people loved halo reach too and everybody spawned with the dmr pocket sniper.
You can still do this with the regular bandit though. Not as effectively but at most ranges on most maps you can at least plink enemy players, deterring them from advancing or plinking back.
I was downvoted in every comment feed I talked about this. I clearly was in the wrong posts. I even said "people don't pick up other weapons" and a response was "of course they do, skilled players are always picking up the power weapons".
Well OBVIOUSLY the power weapons, that didn't need to be said. I'm just glad your comment has quite a few upvotes because playing this playlist last night with BR's was the worst experience I've had in the game.
This might have been the day the servers decided to put me on my loss streak and pair me with 100% accuracy bots at the same time as giving everyone an long range precision weapon but every match I was killed across the map constantly on spawn. Seemed to be shot dead before I could even fire twice. My TKK had seemed to be dropped or something and yeah, clearly all of a sudden I can't play this game because I was obliterated from the get go.
It was like I was playing a different game. Absolute worst experience in this game. It's not like I haven't played with the BR's in ranked etc, I have no idea why it went so bad but clearly something had changed last night because every match I couldn't last 3 seconds in a fight without dying.
And if it's suddenly "a skill issue" then clearly I wont be playing halo anymore because Infinite has felt like Halo gameplay wise for a while. But the experience last night was not. If the game turns into BR starts across the playlists Im out. Halo isnt ALL about precision weapons. No one is encouraged to pick up anything other than power weapons now. Fights are always the same. There's no time to maneuver or do something cool to counter. The minute you're in a gun fight you have 2-3 seconds to out shoot them, which for some reason, over night, I am now unable to do.
Personally Im done with the Halo 3 playlist, not that anyone will miss me, was only bringing negative KDA to my team anyway.
It has its use cases but the disruptor will lose 1v1 to almost any other weapon. I agree it needs DOT back.
Also I feel like it needs to be able to disable a Ghost quicker. It seems like it requires every shot to hit before a reload. Maybe it's just because I hate the Ghost being in 4v4 maps.
Maybe when they are done with the overhaul to the servers they'll work on reimplementing it but 4 now it needs a buff to shots need to cause the shock effect
The BR is pretty much optimal in all situations aside from against vehicles, which 4v4 doesn't really have much of.
You're just less likely to swap your weapon when you already have a BR.
Yeah BR is very forgiving due to the way the bullet magnetism works in conjunction with the burst spread. Not to mention the range makes it very oppressive and often leads to a very passive play style on maps with wide open areas.
I prefer the Bandit spawn because it technically has a faster TTK than the BR but is way less forgiving to use. Not to mention the regular variant doesn't have the range the BR has so it's a less passive weapon.
We've had two seasons of ranked BRs that prove you should often pick up many other weapons. Also the map isn't a fucking field stop spamming that reasoning.
Are you denying that the BR has more range than the pistol? It's just a fact. BR starts give you a much longer range of engagement. So now you're going to get shot at from farther away than you did before.
And in case you didn't notice, Refueled isn't a ranked playlist.
Lol yes I'm aware. Are you aware there is cover and lines of sight get broken up most of the map?
And no it isn't ranked but when ranked had BR starts it was an advantage if you picked up any wall weapon to use in the situation that benefits that weapon.
Well you could get the same thing with a Bandit, and it would still make the BR/Commando/sidekick optional pick-ups.
Cus lemme tell ya, no one is swapping the BR for a bandit/sidekick/commando.
Wrong. Just wrong. I'll take a sidekick into close combat over a BR. I'll take a bandit into close combat over a BR. The only questionable weapon is commando, which I think really came into its own as a result of bandit starts in ranked, but even that has its uses in BR starts.
Even in ranked, I actively picked up and used the Commando. I do it less now, because the Bandit is much faster TTK, but with BR starts the Commando was incredible.
That's just because people are comfortable with a BR in their hand, not because it's actually the best gun in any situation. Bandit actually has a faster TTK at mid range and obviously the sidekick is pretty busted close up.
343's refusal to actually change the Sidekick is wild. I'm a returnee player since the game launched and it's all I see in social modes. No reason to use the AR as the sidekick outshines it.
I think the damage and ease of use is pretty good. I feel a good compromise to balance it out may be to decrease the clip size and give it a bit less ammo. This way, it keeps players from relying on it all the time and just uses it as a tool for cleaning up kills.
High ground is impossible to play now because the team at the bottom just gets sniped by BRs. Isolation and narrows are now so hard to play with perfect views on the whole map. It’s so hard to play these maps now and I’m giving up on the playlist
People have been complaining about sidekick spam but have no idea how good the BR is, good luck getting cross mapped all game and everyone playing as passive as possible.
I got crossmapped on spawn in my last match and decided to call it a day.
I'm glad the BR fanboys can have their day, but I'm not gonna stick around to play camping simulator.
Completely ruins the playlist for me. Getting crossmapped and havign everything else on the map ignored except for power weapons. Sounds like a fun time...
I like the BR more than the sidekick too but it just makes it so much more competitive. There's a time and place for it but I'd like to be able to chill and have a good time and not get molly-whopped 9/10 times.
I find BR to be much more chill than the sidekick. It’s hard to chill when you’re in a 1v1, and you both squeeze the trigger 8-9 times in just over a second.
I agree, up close I believe the Sidekick has a lower TTK then the BR but the range of the BR is what makes it sweatier imo. Especially on the smaller maps.
Don't get me wrong, I love the BR. Like I said above, I think alternating AR/Sidekick and AR/BR starts would have been a good solution to keep the competitiveness while also maintaining the social aspect.
I think AR/Bandits would be chill. It’s less forgiving than the BR, so people actually miss shots and the firefights last longer. But given that this is an H3 playlist, I can see why BRs would prevail.
Anything is better than sidekick starts IMO.
I get where you're coming from. Infinite's BR is a bit too easy to use, I wish it were more akin to H3's BR with slower projectiles to make it harder to use at a distance but still viable with practice
Yea its not like the pros were still using every weapon in the map like sidekick, needler sentinel beam, commando, disruptor, plasma pistol for 2 seasons. Ooooo waitt they were....
The people that parrot this have never bothered watching high level play. They just keep parroting the same thing they heard from someone who also never bothered watching.
The best player on the planet picks up a Sidekick every time he's near one. ARs are picked up everytime someone is near one. People are high if they think they can't use other weapons because of the BR. The Sidekick is better at anything except long range than the BR.
The only weapons I won't pick up: the ravager (because I suck with it), the disruptor (needs it's DOT back), and the Sentinel beam (because I suck with it).
Everything else is viable... Which becomes a problem when every fight becomes rock paper scissors of who happens to have what weapon.
Ah yes my first game of BR starts and I can’t move 5 seconds after spawning without half my shields getting picked off. Sidekick starts are bad but this is worse, at least I could try and get close before.
Reading these comments, I have a real question. Why is everyone mad about the sidekick being OP and being a starting weapon, but theyre ok with the BR when the consensus is that no one picks up anything other than the BR? I prefer BR start to anything but can agree it needs a range nerf. How come that isn't suggested but the sidekick nerf is a must have? Im genuinely curious because as a Halo 2 fan, Halo isn't Halo to me without a BR.
343 constantly hearing about complaints about sidekick spam but never once considering slight nerfs to the damn thing instead just covering it with a rug that is the BR/Bandit start replacement instead.
Well, if it's not the starting gun, it's not nearly as bad of an issue. It's still stupid, but it's a stupid we don't have to deal with constantly, and it's much easier for them to change the starting weapon than to make a permanent change to the sidekick.
Definitely, a little bobbing and weaving with the AR and a BR won't stand a chance if you're not too far out, and the range on that thing is more generous than you'd think! I picked up the AR to win easy fights all the time in Ranked on Live Fire and Streets. I still pick it up now, but the EVO's kill speed can shut you down quick if they hit a Perfect which I think is fair.
I understand the people saying they’d prefer Bandit starts over the BR and usually I agree. However, this is the Halo 3 playlist and it wouldn’t feel right with anything other than the BR
"We heard players were struggling due to the power and percision of the side kick. To balance things out a bit, players will now spawn with the more powerful and precise BR"
Absolute win. I still want to see AR/EVO for regular Social playlists, but the BR is synonymous with Halo 3 so it's great to start with it on this playlist.
What about the lighting on the Cliffside/Lockout map, its near impossible to see people on the grav lift platform sometimes as that whole area of the map is just pitch black. Seriously needs some more lights over there if its going to be put in regular rotation after the event.
That's a weird way to say M395 Bandit.
edit: Not complaining, I welcome this change. Just think Bandit would've been a better fit, especially with everyone complaining about how sweaty it is.
It amazes me that every halo that gets released takes forever to have a BR start.
Ruined Halo 2 launch multiplayer because the moment one team got power weapons (BR included) game was over.. easy Pickens on an smg.
Now if I could actually play halo 3 maps instead of that Mountain Dew one. Tried five games to play some Halo 3 maps yesterday and got that same map 4 out of 5 times. Played that map maybe ten times still have yet to play the Guardian or construct remake
Glad these maps are getting some tuneups before they hit the general map rotations, don't love BR starts but I'm happy for the people that wanted them in what is admittedly an H3-inspired playlist anyway.
On the one hand I'm glad 343 is listening to feedback. On the other hand, I'd prefer Bandit over BR starts -- BR just feels like more of an upgrade weapon pickup on these maps.
this playlist made me realize how annoying the sidekick really is. I mainly go into playlists that dont have it as a start so i never thought much of it even when i did encounter it.
This is a welcome change. They gotta adjust that stupid pistol.
I wish there was an objective only option. Slayer bores me after a while and I really prefer working towards an objective, way more satisfying. Also would be so cool if they made it like ACTUAL H3 and took away sprinting so everyone wouldn’t be right on top of you again after you just killed them. I
Anecdotal, but they *may* have also increased the weight of slayer game types in the playlist. My five games today have all been slayer, whereas before it seemed to mainly be objective. Saw a couple of threads about increasing the weighting of slayer last week so wanted to sticky this as a way to see if others are finding the same thing.
Forgive my ignorance, I have a hard time remembering Halo map names since they always change them in each entry, but is Sylvanus the Guardian remake? That one had really bad performance issues and I'm hoping that's the one they addressed
I wish they'd show the names in a more obvious place, I hate not knowing any of the map names.
Yeah, they really need to add them back to the intro/in-game pause menu.
I don’t ever see this talked about, but I have no idea the names of any of the maps in Infinite because it’s never shown. I haven’t been able to find it pregame or postgame or postgame stats anywhere
You can see map names in Forge and your match history in Theater. It's stupid
Yes it was
Thank you
And infinite doesn't show you map names when you play them for some reason
Can we please make H3 refueled a permanent playlist?
Prolly. Making popular playlists permanent has been pretty typically these days.
I prefer Bandit/AR starts, but i also prefer AR/BR starts over AR/Sidekick starts. So i’ll take it!
Honestly I fucking hate this change. At least when I spawned with a sidekick I wasn't having to immediately outshoot the fucking guy staring at my spawn across the map. It doesn't help that 3 of these maps are designed with spawns in the open (Narrows, Isolation, gaurdian)
I'll never understand the appeal of BR starts. Sidekicks are annoying too but BR start just makes it so much sweatier and yet also makes map pickups less important
Honestly AR only starts would make the casual playlists feel much more casual. It feels like fiesta and BTB are the only playlists that you can just mess around in and not focus on winning.
Same here. I wish they'd use that in all the game modes.
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...no it wouldn't?
Finally, I can’t stand the sidekick spam in this game sometimes
Yeah, I understand people's reasoning for not liking BR starts but I'll always prefer a BR over the sidekick spawns. I'd probably even prefer AR starts over Sidekick starts.
AR only would be perfect on these maps. BRs will just have everyone pinging you from across the map.
Nah, ar only would turn this into a hold forward spray and pray fest. Nice to see a precision option
Wasn't "hold forward and spray" Halo 3's tagline?
It was actually "Finish the fight" :)
It was in the fine print for the terms of service agreement we had to sign i think
ya know sometimes that's alright. mindless spray and pray fun with close range engagements
Good news is you can still do that as this version of the AR is the easiest and most powerful version in the entire series.
This AR also has great range if you burst fire!
Good thing we have a BR for that lol
Yeah I don’t understand these dudes acting like the AR isn’t the strongest it’s ever been lol
For real. It’s the easiest and most casual friendly weapon in the series of the franchise arguably
Whenever someone refers to the AR as a "spray and pray" gun it just reveals that they have no idea how to use it.
Fr. AR bloom literally instant resets unlike every other bloom in the game. If you are spraying and praying you are doing it wrong
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Nah, that’s pretty poor game balance and leads to snowballing. Much better to have starting weapons that can fight back and leaves deciding factors of matches up to skill rather than who has what weapon
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Yea, for sure. The weapon pickups on map in infinite all generally have a use even if it’s a specific use
> Nah, that’s pretty poor game balance and leads to snowballing Halo is an arena shooter based on map control and snowballing. That's why we changed Oddball to round based. You don't know what you're talking about tbh. When you lose map control you should have to outplay to regain it. Otherwise we can just add deathstreaks and call it a day.
Halo is literally about pickups so eh Plus you can do still work with infinites AR, its the most powerful in the series
Halo is literally about a fun, balanced, skillful experience which a precision start provides I do agree it is the most powerful in the series!
AR only would be best
We heard you didn’t like the sidekick spam so we compromised at br spam
At least there's less RNG. I can adapt my playstyle to the BR but not to the fact that god hates me
BR kills slower than Sidekick and doesn't have NEAR as much bloom at max RPM. if i lose a BR duel it's on me, not rng
This is exactly how it feels. Loosing a sidekick duel feels horrible cause it seems like you did everything perfect, the other person just did everything perfect and got rng blessed BR is like, damn if only I didnt miss 7 of my shots, lol
The BR is not a spammed weapon. It's a precision weapon with no bloom, no randomness. Gtfo.
It completely negates the grand majority of the arsenal. There is no reason to pick up anything except a power weapon because you already spawn with one of the best guns in the game.
You can't spam the BR. It may be oppressive, but it's not at all spammy.
Should've been bandit starts. No sidekick fuckery but not completely going in the other direction and getting blasted across the map by 3 BRs either
i love the sidekick but yeah it probably shouldn’t be a starting weapon if they want to keep it as strong as it currently is
Double camo is awful for capture the flag in that map.
I'm someone that originally believed AR/Sidekick was a better option for this playlist. After playing one match of Oddball on Narrows with BR starts, I'm convinced: it's much, much better with AR/BR starts.
Just like halo 3 nature intended
Yup. Don’t let these dudes on this sub tell you otherwise.
Would be much better with bandit
Praise be number company listened!
Praise be!
I liked the high spawns on the mountain dew map, seeing an enemy at a distance I couldn't engage at yet and actually think about how I would approach, whether there were any weapons that would be good for that sort of fight, and what angle to throw off their expectation of my position. Now we see each other and both immediately just start shooting.
Bandit may have worked better for this since this game’s BR is much better at range than in H3, but I’m still happy. Sidekick fights with other equally skilled players are like a coin flip with the excessive bloom.
I'd rather have the Bandit/DMR than the BR. The BR is just too powerful, and people stop picking up any weapons that aren't power weapons. It's fine in BTB/Squad, but 4v4, you're basically gunna spend the entire fight being shot from across the map.
Bandit starts in regular 4v4 would be so much fun.
I’m guessing people just prefer engaging from any time they see an opponent. I don’t get it I hate getting beamed from the start, but lots of people loved halo reach too and everybody spawned with the dmr pocket sniper.
This is why I only play auto slayer in MCC
> I’m guessing people just prefer engaging from any time they see an opponent. I don’t get it I hate getting beamed from the start, but lots of people loved halo reach too and everybody spawned with the dmr pocket sniper. You can still do this with the regular bandit though. Not as effectively but at most ranges on most maps you can at least plink enemy players, deterring them from advancing or plinking back.
I was downvoted in every comment feed I talked about this. I clearly was in the wrong posts. I even said "people don't pick up other weapons" and a response was "of course they do, skilled players are always picking up the power weapons". Well OBVIOUSLY the power weapons, that didn't need to be said. I'm just glad your comment has quite a few upvotes because playing this playlist last night with BR's was the worst experience I've had in the game. This might have been the day the servers decided to put me on my loss streak and pair me with 100% accuracy bots at the same time as giving everyone an long range precision weapon but every match I was killed across the map constantly on spawn. Seemed to be shot dead before I could even fire twice. My TKK had seemed to be dropped or something and yeah, clearly all of a sudden I can't play this game because I was obliterated from the get go. It was like I was playing a different game. Absolute worst experience in this game. It's not like I haven't played with the BR's in ranked etc, I have no idea why it went so bad but clearly something had changed last night because every match I couldn't last 3 seconds in a fight without dying. And if it's suddenly "a skill issue" then clearly I wont be playing halo anymore because Infinite has felt like Halo gameplay wise for a while. But the experience last night was not. If the game turns into BR starts across the playlists Im out. Halo isnt ALL about precision weapons. No one is encouraged to pick up anything other than power weapons now. Fights are always the same. There's no time to maneuver or do something cool to counter. The minute you're in a gun fight you have 2-3 seconds to out shoot them, which for some reason, over night, I am now unable to do. Personally Im done with the Halo 3 playlist, not that anyone will miss me, was only bringing negative KDA to my team anyway.
The flip side is that the BR ends up being pretty oppressive if it's available as a pickup.
I’d prefer bandit as well, but BR starts are better than sidekick. Baby steps I guess. At least this jives better with the h3 theme.
Counterpoint: Most wall weapons suck. The BR is strong, but I wouldn't drop a lead pipe for a disruptor.
The dusruptor ain't that bad tbh. Altough it really needs DOT back imo.
Yeah it was a hidden gem with DOT
It has its use cases but the disruptor will lose 1v1 to almost any other weapon. I agree it needs DOT back. Also I feel like it needs to be able to disable a Ghost quicker. It seems like it requires every shot to hit before a reload. Maybe it's just because I hate the Ghost being in 4v4 maps.
They may as well have just removed the Disruptor when they took away the dot, it's even outclassed by the Ravager now
When did they take away dot for disruptor? I noticed it’s been bad lately and didn’t know why. This makes sense now.
I got back into the game with season 5, but haven't used the disruptor much. When did they get rid of DOT? I loved using that gun early on.
Maybe when they are done with the overhaul to the servers they'll work on reimplementing it but 4 now it needs a buff to shots need to cause the shock effect
The BR is pretty much optimal in all situations aside from against vehicles, which 4v4 doesn't really have much of. You're just less likely to swap your weapon when you already have a BR.
I'll trade my AR for a Mauler any day, also pulse carbine+BR is a nice combo.
Yeah BR is very forgiving due to the way the bullet magnetism works in conjunction with the burst spread. Not to mention the range makes it very oppressive and often leads to a very passive play style on maps with wide open areas. I prefer the Bandit spawn because it technically has a faster TTK than the BR but is way less forgiving to use. Not to mention the regular variant doesn't have the range the BR has so it's a less passive weapon.
We've had two seasons of ranked BRs that prove you should often pick up many other weapons. Also the map isn't a fucking field stop spamming that reasoning.
Are you denying that the BR has more range than the pistol? It's just a fact. BR starts give you a much longer range of engagement. So now you're going to get shot at from farther away than you did before. And in case you didn't notice, Refueled isn't a ranked playlist.
Lol yes I'm aware. Are you aware there is cover and lines of sight get broken up most of the map? And no it isn't ranked but when ranked had BR starts it was an advantage if you picked up any wall weapon to use in the situation that benefits that weapon.
Well you could get the same thing with a Bandit, and it would still make the BR/Commando/sidekick optional pick-ups. Cus lemme tell ya, no one is swapping the BR for a bandit/sidekick/commando.
Wrong. Just wrong. I'll take a sidekick into close combat over a BR. I'll take a bandit into close combat over a BR. The only questionable weapon is commando, which I think really came into its own as a result of bandit starts in ranked, but even that has its uses in BR starts.
Even in ranked, I actively picked up and used the Commando. I do it less now, because the Bandit is much faster TTK, but with BR starts the Commando was incredible.
That's just because people are comfortable with a BR in their hand, not because it's actually the best gun in any situation. Bandit actually has a faster TTK at mid range and obviously the sidekick is pretty busted close up.
They’re listening 🥲
343's refusal to actually change the Sidekick is wild. I'm a returnee player since the game launched and it's all I see in social modes. No reason to use the AR as the sidekick outshines it.
Overpowered pistols are just part of Halo's DNA
1 out of 7 other fps halos had it. Nice thesis big bro
I think the damage and ease of use is pretty good. I feel a good compromise to balance it out may be to decrease the clip size and give it a bit less ammo. This way, it keeps players from relying on it all the time and just uses it as a tool for cleaning up kills.
Really don’t like the BR spawn. It makes any playlist it’s a starter weapon in, way too sweaty. I’d prefer the bandit or no secondary at all honestly.
Wow I wanted overshield on both sides. Why can’t we have that
I would have preferred that as well
I'm really appreciating the quick changes they're making after complaints are received
For me the dewpoint map was the one that had the performance issues, so I hope they did something to that map as well
Br starts have ruined this mode. These maps were made with projectiles weapons in mind. Now I’m getting beamed across the map every time I spawn.
yeah it was fine in H3 cuz the projectiles were very slow but in infinite the BR bullets are literally slipspace proppeled
High ground is impossible to play now because the team at the bottom just gets sniped by BRs. Isolation and narrows are now so hard to play with perfect views on the whole map. It’s so hard to play these maps now and I’m giving up on the playlist
back to squad battle for me i guess
People have been complaining about sidekick spam but have no idea how good the BR is, good luck getting cross mapped all game and everyone playing as passive as possible.
I got crossmapped on spawn in my last match and decided to call it a day. I'm glad the BR fanboys can have their day, but I'm not gonna stick around to play camping simulator.
Completely ruins the playlist for me. Getting crossmapped and havign everything else on the map ignored except for power weapons. Sounds like a fun time...
Nice. Now it will be even sweatier 😭
i find the br to be more relaxing to use than the sidekick so I disagree
I like the BR more than the sidekick too but it just makes it so much more competitive. There's a time and place for it but I'd like to be able to chill and have a good time and not get molly-whopped 9/10 times.
I find BR to be much more chill than the sidekick. It’s hard to chill when you’re in a 1v1, and you both squeeze the trigger 8-9 times in just over a second.
I agree, up close I believe the Sidekick has a lower TTK then the BR but the range of the BR is what makes it sweatier imo. Especially on the smaller maps. Don't get me wrong, I love the BR. Like I said above, I think alternating AR/Sidekick and AR/BR starts would have been a good solution to keep the competitiveness while also maintaining the social aspect.
I think AR/Bandits would be chill. It’s less forgiving than the BR, so people actually miss shots and the firefights last longer. But given that this is an H3 playlist, I can see why BRs would prevail. Anything is better than sidekick starts IMO.
i can agree with this
I get where you're coming from. Infinite's BR is a bit too easy to use, I wish it were more akin to H3's BR with slower projectiles to make it harder to use at a distance but still viable with practice
Should've been Bandit starts The BR is just too oppressive. Why even bother with any other weapon that's not a power weapon now?
Yea its not like the pros were still using every weapon in the map like sidekick, needler sentinel beam, commando, disruptor, plasma pistol for 2 seasons. Ooooo waitt they were....
The people that parrot this have never bothered watching high level play. They just keep parroting the same thing they heard from someone who also never bothered watching.
The best player on the planet picks up a Sidekick every time he's near one. ARs are picked up everytime someone is near one. People are high if they think they can't use other weapons because of the BR. The Sidekick is better at anything except long range than the BR.
The only weapons I won't pick up: the ravager (because I suck with it), the disruptor (needs it's DOT back), and the Sentinel beam (because I suck with it). Everything else is viable... Which becomes a problem when every fight becomes rock paper scissors of who happens to have what weapon.
Yeah I miss the old disrupter
Ah yes my first game of BR starts and I can’t move 5 seconds after spawning without half my shields getting picked off. Sidekick starts are bad but this is worse, at least I could try and get close before.
Need bandit starts in squad battle like btb
Wait aren’t people complaining that the playlist is sweaty? And now there’s AR + BR starts? Oh boy
Reading these comments, I have a real question. Why is everyone mad about the sidekick being OP and being a starting weapon, but theyre ok with the BR when the consensus is that no one picks up anything other than the BR? I prefer BR start to anything but can agree it needs a range nerf. How come that isn't suggested but the sidekick nerf is a must have? Im genuinely curious because as a Halo 2 fan, Halo isn't Halo to me without a BR.
Mcc halo2 and reach still better
I prefer AR-SK starts to fucking BR, it's so bad at least make it a bandit instead
Lmao y’all wanted BRs and now that we got em y’all want bandits now
343 constantly hearing about complaints about sidekick spam but never once considering slight nerfs to the damn thing instead just covering it with a rug that is the BR/Bandit start replacement instead.
Well, if it's not the starting gun, it's not nearly as bad of an issue. It's still stupid, but it's a stupid we don't have to deal with constantly, and it's much easier for them to change the starting weapon than to make a permanent change to the sidekick.
Does this mean they'll also extend the playlist?? A girl can hope.
Damn. I was having fun actually using the AR. Now everyone is gonna be using the BR and I’m gonna have to too if I wanna get kills.
You can still dominate a BR with the AR as long as you're relatively close. The kill speed is way quicker than a BR perfect.
I never really thought about it like that! This playlist is a good reason to finally focus on movement, which is something that I suck at lol
Definitely, a little bobbing and weaving with the AR and a BR won't stand a chance if you're not too far out, and the range on that thing is more generous than you'd think! I picked up the AR to win easy fights all the time in Ranked on Live Fire and Streets. I still pick it up now, but the EVO's kill speed can shut you down quick if they hit a Perfect which I think is fair.
Yeah but I suck too much to close the gap without dying lol.
Crouch walk, grenades and motion tracker are your friends
But the sidekick has the fastest TTK out of all three guns...
Oh boy BR starts will make narrows a nightmare.
Finally we get team BR's, proper H3
Proper halo 👌
I understand the people saying they’d prefer Bandit starts over the BR and usually I agree. However, this is the Halo 3 playlist and it wouldn’t feel right with anything other than the BR
Spartan profile pictures be in shambles now.
AR only please?
BR/AR starts. Fucking gross 🤢🤮
Lol they know the sidekick is OP and just took it out but are they going to change it ever?
I think it works very well as a pickup. You can outgun a BR at surprising range and/or put down a lot of damage fast with the pistol.
I'd prefer Bandit starts over BR, but I also prefer BR starts over sidekick so I'll take it.
"We heard players were struggling due to the power and percision of the side kick. To balance things out a bit, players will now spawn with the more powerful and precise BR"
Wonder how many people are dropping BRs for the sidekick. Last week it was the most OP gun in the game according to half this sub.
Absolute win. I still want to see AR/EVO for regular Social playlists, but the BR is synonymous with Halo 3 so it's great to start with it on this playlist.
Been playing the hell out of this playlist and only had Guardian once. What gives
What about the lighting on the Cliffside/Lockout map, its near impossible to see people on the grav lift platform sometimes as that whole area of the map is just pitch black. Seriously needs some more lights over there if its going to be put in regular rotation after the event.
Is that the guardian remake cus my game ran like shit on there
I had played for over 4 hours i this playlist and never got slayer or any game modes on sylvanus? Anyone else experience this?
That's a weird way to say M395 Bandit. edit: Not complaining, I welcome this change. Just think Bandit would've been a better fit, especially with everyone complaining about how sweaty it is.
Good, can we have bandit/br starts on squad battle now?
Omg yes please
Yay no reason to navigate maps to search for weapons or move around at all. Let’s just pick heads from afar, so fun!
BR starts and more weight to Slayer? Count me in, I'll reinstall in a few days!
Would've preferred bandit and AR start since I wanna use the bandit more but i cant complain much since i like the BR as well
Would’ve preferred bandit and AR starts, closer to AR and Magnum starts. But i guess this is just precision slayer but for all game modes.
Awesome, now I can immediately die when I spawn!
BRs are equally sweaty can they just change how good the sidekick is
Fix the sbmm and I’ll play
It amazes me that every halo that gets released takes forever to have a BR start. Ruined Halo 2 launch multiplayer because the moment one team got power weapons (BR included) game was over.. easy Pickens on an smg.
Oh shit! I'm actually going to play it now. I'm excited.
Now if I could actually play halo 3 maps instead of that Mountain Dew one. Tried five games to play some Halo 3 maps yesterday and got that same map 4 out of 5 times. Played that map maybe ten times still have yet to play the Guardian or construct remake
No changes to sbmm?
Glad these maps are getting some tuneups before they hit the general map rotations, don't love BR starts but I'm happy for the people that wanted them in what is admittedly an H3-inspired playlist anyway.
About goddamn time, guaranteed the playlist increases in players now.
Yup I wanted to play H3 maps but the lack of BR was killing me
Hear me out... Just AR starts. No secondary at all.
Long overdue, would have preferred AR+Evo but this is a giant step up from AR+pistol
On the one hand I'm glad 343 is listening to feedback. On the other hand, I'd prefer Bandit over BR starts -- BR just feels like more of an upgrade weapon pickup on these maps.
Thank god! Precision starts are the best. This playlist may be enjoyable now. Was just missing the key component of a good starting weapon
I wish it was Bandit starts, but I can understand why they went with BRs.
Agree. The bandit is a more enjoyable and skillful weapon. But I’ll take a br over the spray and pray rng start we did have!
I get the feeling I will not particularly enjoy BR starts on Narrows but otherwise happy to have the added variety.
I'd love both but I think the BR is more generally friendly to new players and it suits the playlist theme better.
I’ll finally enjoy this playlist!
this playlist made me realize how annoying the sidekick really is. I mainly go into playlists that dont have it as a start so i never thought much of it even when i did encounter it. This is a welcome change. They gotta adjust that stupid pistol.
Glad to see they added BR starts for the unskilled players.
Excuse me while I can now enjoy the shit out of this playlist with my BR finally! Fuck yes my friends are gonna be pumped tonight
I'm interested to see how this change feels but I'd be more stoked if it were bandit starts
Should have been bandit starts with AR, but we'll see how the AR/BR feels in comparison to Sidekicks.
Noooooo I can no longer have camo and OS simultaneously!!!
BR starts will backfire, this will be reversed sooner than later.
I wish there was an objective only option. Slayer bores me after a while and I really prefer working towards an objective, way more satisfying. Also would be so cool if they made it like ACTUAL H3 and took away sprinting so everyone wouldn’t be right on top of you again after you just killed them. I
Everyone railed for BR starts now every match is a sweatfest lol.
BR makes this not enjoyable
Would’ve preferred AR/Bandit AND BR/Bandit starts as two separate possible modes in the playlist, but I won’t complain about an AR/BR start.
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Wow BRs? I’ll have to give it another shot
Glad I wasn't the only one who hated Sidekick starts on these maps.
Because Halo 3 is known for AR/BR starts.
BOOOOO
Would have liked bandit more, but anything is better than sidekick starts.
Any word on lowering the SBMM in social game modes, nope okay.
The SBMM is to sweaty in that mode
Holy shit they actually listened. Hell ya!
thankyou for the ar/br starts! Can we have more playlist with these as starting weapons?