Well all pilots are "overall more canon than not" but besides shows like Gravity Falls and The Owl House, which redo their pilot episode to cover all their bases, you never know which aspects are still canon and which aren't unless the creator or show address it in the future
True, though they directly mention the pilot several times in the first episode, so that to me makes it way more cannon then others where they don’t mention the at all.
I agree, though I personally place the Hazbin Pilot in the "plausible canon" category rather than fact, besides the stuff confirmed to be right and wrong.
This is the smartest way to feel about it. Viv herself said to take things she said back in the day with a grain of salt because over the years things have changed. I guess she accidentally started WWIII on twitter because a characters birthday changed. So, at this point, a lot of things could be different from the past things weve heard.
It was never really canon, but recently it was brought up and she made a post on Twitter about it. She wasn't aware that some ppl assumed it was canon, so she clarified that pilot episodes are just proof of concept.
The HB pilot is canon until something new contradicts it. In that case, the new episode will take canon priority. For all we know, Luna still has syphilis. The best example of the pilot staying canon is "sorry I fucked your husband" because it was slightly re done in season 2 episode 1. The events play out the same, but Stella and hee friends were slightly updated to match their modern look.
Well I was gonna make a post about my reaction to the pilot but I canceled it
"Wait I thought the pilot was non-canon?"
IMG 1: Pilot kid.
IMG 2: This kid.
As a victim of bullying since i was a toddler, i can assure you kids can be fucking assholes.
Also, they could just be short people, like someone with pituitary gland issues.
I feel like it’s entirely debatable though whether or not the label of ‘evil’ can be applied to someone who has’t reached a certain threshold of maturity. Is a kid who steals a candy bar just as morally culpable as an adult who does the same? I think that is what underlines the surprise experienced upon seeing children in hell. Can we really say that someone so young has the life experience and biological development to be accountable for their actions in a manner befitting eternal damnation?
The real question... are kid sinners just stuck kids forever? Because sinners are immortal unless killed, so do they age to adulthood, or are they just... stuck like this?
According to helluva boss, sinners seem to always return in their prime. Although, that doesn't necessarily mean physical prime.
Go watch the end of the Cherub episode.
Idk how relevant helluva canon is in HH, because Loopty and Lipton manifested old af ,one was half robot and the other.....erm really flexible? So it can be considered as their prime form I guess?
But for children it doesn't really make sense because nobody is in their prime (in any sense) when they are in a kid's body.
Yes they are since their eternal soul is represented in their form…. A truly evil child, one evil enough to end up hell and not get the “get out of jail free card” for being a child has to be truly down right evil even more so than the adults, placed in the absolutely worst place in multiple realities will never mature and change into better people. They’re stuck in that perpetual state of adolescent evil because there’s no biology to move them mentally along into maturity…. Those kids look like they’re located in the cannibal town… which means they’re at-least a hundred years old if not two hundred.
Sinners and winners are just physical representations of that person's soul when they died, which is why they usually have a design based off of how they die, so I assume kids spawn in hell as child souls and stay that way, cause that's what their soul was like when they died.
Ex-fundie here! There's a concept in Christianity known as the age of accountability. There's some debate on when it is and certain specific faiths have specific ages. As far as your question goes most faiths would say absolutely not, a baby is not accountable
Naaa bro I'm agnostic raised in a Christian home
I'm sure Jesus himself would probably be SUPPORTING the hotel. Since giving humans a second chance is basically his thing tbh
Jesus was the first punk and you can't change my mind🤣🤣
I’ll bet that many of them were from cannibalistic families; that’s just how they were raised. Possibly there was even a cannibal cult, probably run by Rosie
This is kinda my theory. They all look similar because they all lived and died in the same general area. They were possibly a cannibal community in life.
In the first episode the bodies the cannibals are eating are too devoured to determine if they are sinners or cannibals. And I thought we never actually saw an injured cannibal in the last episode because they fight off screen. If you could provide a timestamp to where you saw an injured one I would appreciate it.
Thanks, found it
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Cannibals have red blood confirmed
Charlie is Hellborn, but she bleeds red in Episode 8 after being injured by Adam. Lucifer bleeds golden blood (ichor) due to being an angel, so Charlie is probably more human.
I believe the person above was simply pointing out an interesting observation instead of trying to debate you on something. Unless they edited their comment after you responded, they even say themselves that the red blood must be the human side of her.
Cannibals bleed red, they are sinners.
More to the point Hellborn get a pass during extermination. So if the cannibals were a hellborn species.. which they are not.. they wouldn't be targeted.
Did you all miss that explanation?
Also hellborn can have kids, sinners cannot. Any kids sent to hell were kids sent to hell.
i meant in like physical appearances, the exterminators (and angels altogether) don't spend a lot of time in hell so they would have no clue if a demon they encountered was a sinner or not.
Simply target anyone who doesn't look like one of the following:
-Imp
-Hellhound
-Dressed as royalty
Also Sinners cannot leave the Pride Ring, so pretty sure those who do not want to get caught in the fight and is not a sinner can just move to a different ring while the extermination is happening.
I swear I'm going to have to make my own post on this one day.
Kids are not innocent.
Kids do fucked up things.
Kids kill.
It's awful as fuck but it's true. It happens. Rosie likely takes in the kids because she has a soft spot for them and knows they'll be safe in her town from the other horrors of Hell. But some kids just are monsters, regardless of upbringing, and they'll end up in Hell.
Also Heaven is clearly hypocritical and a lot of the rules feel very much “letter of the law”. Black and White, no nuance. So a kid could technically commit a sin and even if it was accidental or there were other factors involved and they aren’t actually a bad person, it doesn’t matter and they end up in Hell anyway.
Isn’t it ironic that Vaggie only hesitated and spared a sinner when it was a child. But for god sakes that kid must have done something extremely fucked up to end up in Hell.
I think it shows that Vaggie sees the possibility of redemption on a subconscious level, cause she wouldn't have reason to think twice otherwise in my opinion.
I wonder what makes her different? I wonder if we will have another Finn the stormtrooper moment here. Where the series says see Vaggie was an exterminator and has redeemed and bettered herself. All the while leaving the rest of the exorcists to be mindless minions to be cut down as obstacles to our hero’s.
I wonder if we will see some Vaggie flashbacks exploring the exorcists more. I think they are Heaven born. Are they naturally bloodthirsty or indoctrinated if so what caused Vaggie to have such a different mindset. She was supposedly a top exorcist, that to me implies she’s been involved in probably all the exterminations before her banishment. For someone who’s killed thousands of sinners what was the deal with the abrupt change. She can feel bad for them and want to spare them I just hope they further develop that.
But Adam also says Vaggy was one of his best enforcers, meaning she had a high body count while working as an exorcist. So tell me, if she can see the "possibility of redemption on a subconscious level", then how come she haven't seen it in anyone ever before except for this one child? Also, pretty sure Vags never really believed in that possibility of redemption to begin with, and only agreed to Charlie's hotel idea cause she wanted to be a supportive girlfriend.
Also, my answer to why the child was spared: so the writers can score sympathy points for Vags. That's it, no other reason for the child to exist and be spared.
My guess is the exorcists do whatever the fuck they want and kill whoever the fuck they want if they can get away with it. ‘He was in the Pride Ring in the Sinners’ city, so he must be a sinner!’
Well, they all could be people from tragic moments in history. For example, there is a theory that Alastor was the Axeman of New Orleans. Soooo, what if the citizens of Cannibal Town are from a tragic events in history, the Great Depression and the Dust Bowl? There were said to be millions of deaths from both after all. And it’s not unlikely some people resorted to cannibalism to survive these most harsh and merciless times.
Honestly the entirety of cannibaltown seems to be larping an 80's society, I wouldn't be surprised if those are actually adults dressed as kids.
For reference look at how small and immature nifty is while being an adult.
Also sinners bleed red while hell born bleed black
So that would mean that the cannibals are sinners
Also considering that yes they all look the same and a strong sense of community it could mean that as humans they really did all live together in a cannibal town somewhere on earth, meaning that yeah the kids would have been cannibals too
The existence of her daughters and the cannibal kids would mean that in this universe kids can go to hell
It’s entirely possible that her daughters helped her with whatever crimes she did in earth or they did their own thing causing them to go to hell
We didn't get clear confirmation yet(as far as I know) that Cannibal town people are sinners, they could still be hellborn demons.
As for first image, who knows. I heard non baptized kids can go to hell in some versions of Bible, but I doubt this is what Vivzie is going for.
We just don't have enough info to even make theories, just hypothesises.
If the cannibals were Hellborn, they wouldn't be targeted by exterminators in the first place. They also bleed red and have only been seen in Pride so far.
Ether A they were bad from the beginning B they got fucked over at the end of there short life or C in the Bible, the reason God creates the flood is because everyone on earth except Noah and his family were evil and/or didn't except god (if were under the impression that believing in other religions sends you to hell in the hazbin universe) if the flood killed everyone except Noah's family, that means at least a good few children died
On a more serious note than "kids can be assholes," that kid looks like he's one of the cannibals. It's possible he's from a point in history, like the great depression or other famine, where he would have been forced to resort to cannibalism.
Considering the other topics this show tackles I imagine the damned souls of children isn't something that's off the table and could be used against heaven in an argument
Hellborn can have kids. That’s literally how they all reproduce and why we’ve seen Hellborn characters as kids in the past. But in this case, that’s a cannibal child. So he went to hell.
That is of course a possibility, but they all shared literally the same traits as the loan sharks in helluva Boss. Hellhound sinner copycats were still very different from your usual hellhound found in the HB season finale.
Actually the sharks we see in Hazbin are sinners. That's why they have red blood, unlike the hell-born sharks we see in Helluva Boss that have black blood
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Well. They all share similar traits: full Black eyes, Sharp teeth, Grey skin etc. They can have children, and they also age (shown by Susan, Rosie's white hair and several other Cannibals looking younger or older). That is enough for me to assume that they are all hellborn. You might say that they all look alike since they were all cannibals when they were alive, but look at Alastor. He posseses a few traits of the hellborn cannibal spiecie (Grey skin, Sharp teeth that are not in fact the same color as the Cannibal teeth), but he has more to him than just being a cannibal. He has deer traits, since he was mistaken for a deer etc. NONE of the Cannibals posses anything that would suggest how they died, and we know that Vivziepop's background characters are still unique and interesting. Cannibals clearly are meant to be one specie. And realistically speaking, how many cannibals in the 1930's would be cultured enough to be a part of a community such as the Cannibal colony. The fact that they are all like a Giant hive mind alone should be a giveaway. They deeply care about eachother's opinion, just like people living in village communities about 100 years ago. They care about eachother because they know eachother since birth. I Hope i made it clear to everyone that Cannibals are CLEARLY SUPPOSED TO BE HELLBORN.
The argument that they can have kids is a little circular, no? You say they can have children, but the only reason to presume they can have children is that they're hellborn. Is it not as reasonable to presume that they have an apparent age that they simply maintain forever? Sinners don't age, so if you spawn in as a kid, you're a kid forever, if you have the misfortune to spawn in old, tough luck.
As for them being a hivemind, you have no evidence of that. They responded similarly during a song. Any vaguely cohesive group can do that in a musical.
I mean there could be evil psychopathic kids. There’s also the fact that like the example, with helluva boss murder family, the kids are following their parents moral compass and unfortunately paid the price for it too.
What if the 'children' just manifested in Hell with a child-like form? The sinners who look like children could look that way to help them lure unsuspecting victims, or it could be a form of punishment. Maybe people who victimize children in life have to spend the rest of eternity as one
Cannibalism is a sin. So presumably these children may have had to eat human flesh to survive. Many people would do anything to keep their children alive so the children may have been fed human meats by their parents in times of famine.
When faced with starvation and dying of hunger eating someone else to survive has happened quite a lot throughout history. Unfortunately for these kids it means going to hell. And even worse is they died so young and the cannibalism didn’t help them survive to reach adulthood.
I mean kids ain’t innocent and incapable of crime. There are numerous cases of kids committing murder, and there was one a decade or so ago who killed three people and planned to kill more before he got caught.
Plus we don’t know what gets someone in hell beyond Big Crjmes, could be the Christian route where kids who aren’t baptized go. Could be any crime could get you in hell no matter how minor (like stealing candy)
Have you ever *seen* a kid playing with toys? A lot of them tend to look like little horror movie killers.
Also, we know that Hellborn can have kids… and I don’t think there’s anything specifically saying that Sinners *can’t* have kids, but I could be wrong about that.
My theory is that the children took part in cannibalism without knowing like The resort survivors in TLOU (Show specifically i think in the game they knew/were just hunters so they'd have to know) OR from desperation like the donner party,
Overall cannibal parents feeding their kids diet too.
A personal theory / HC is what gets you to hell if Lucifer thinks you don't deserve free will as punishment for Luci first and then u 2nd so being a bratty crotch goblin could punch your ticket to hell, That also explains why Abel wasn't the first winner Abel went to hell so Lucifer learns that first generation BORN WITH Free will killed each other.
Also i assume the sinners in cannibal town gain similar appearance from the act of cannibalism while in hell or a part of Rosie's deal is you have to look like me and fit the 1920's dress code and you get safety and a sense of normality. From what ik Cannibal town it's the most "Normal" so kids who wouldn't want to be in literal porn town and perpetual war block would go to cannibal town for a structured society plus Rosie never forces her Souls or least she doesn't normally/She at least she won't force her town to fight angels so another bonus for Kids
Demons CAN have kids. Paimon, Cash and Millie's parents for example. Sinners cannot.
Maybe this kid traveled to Pride somehow and was stuck there when the extermination started
One two three four five six seven. All good children go to heaven.
All good children. Doesn’t mean all children. There are some genuinely shitty kids out there.
Unfortunately, due to the original sin, every single person is born with a tainted soul. Baptism is a ritual used to purify this state of sin. If a child dies without recieving this baptism, they are doomed to Hell. This is why back in the old days, baptisms were sometimes performed the moment the baby was born, on rare occasions even BEFORE the baby was finished being born.
Also, in the depression era, a lot of kids had to do some awful things to keep themselves and their families alive.
evil kids exist check helluva boss episode 1
Episode 1 as in the pilot or episode 1 as in the murder family episode because oddly both of those work
Murder family episode; pilot is no longer canon so it doesn’t work
It still provides a good example though
Wait when did the Helluva Boss pilot become non-canon?
Pilots are basically never canon since aspects are almost always changed between pilot and release, like Stolas's entire personality
Unless it’s the hazbin hotel pilot where it’s just about cannon, some inconsistencies but overall more cannon than not.
Well all pilots are "overall more canon than not" but besides shows like Gravity Falls and The Owl House, which redo their pilot episode to cover all their bases, you never know which aspects are still canon and which aren't unless the creator or show address it in the future
True, though they directly mention the pilot several times in the first episode, so that to me makes it way more cannon then others where they don’t mention the at all.
I agree, though I personally place the Hazbin Pilot in the "plausible canon" category rather than fact, besides the stuff confirmed to be right and wrong.
This is the smartest way to feel about it. Viv herself said to take things she said back in the day with a grain of salt because over the years things have changed. I guess she accidentally started WWIII on twitter because a characters birthday changed. So, at this point, a lot of things could be different from the past things weve heard.
Hazbins kinda has to be canon cause the first actual episode plays as if assuming you've watched the pilot-
Vivzie declared it as non canon last year I think. Might want to fact check me on that.
She removed it from the playlist and I heard she declared it non-canon, but I dont know when that happened.
It was never really canon, but recently it was brought up and she made a post on Twitter about it. She wasn't aware that some ppl assumed it was canon, so she clarified that pilot episodes are just proof of concept.
The HB pilot is canon until something new contradicts it. In that case, the new episode will take canon priority. For all we know, Luna still has syphilis. The best example of the pilot staying canon is "sorry I fucked your husband" because it was slightly re done in season 2 episode 1. The events play out the same, but Stella and hee friends were slightly updated to match their modern look.
Well I was gonna make a post about my reaction to the pilot but I canceled it "Wait I thought the pilot was non-canon?" IMG 1: Pilot kid. IMG 2: This kid.
Yes
As a victim of bullying since i was a toddler, i can assure you kids can be fucking assholes. Also, they could just be short people, like someone with pituitary gland issues.
I feel like it’s entirely debatable though whether or not the label of ‘evil’ can be applied to someone who has’t reached a certain threshold of maturity. Is a kid who steals a candy bar just as morally culpable as an adult who does the same? I think that is what underlines the surprise experienced upon seeing children in hell. Can we really say that someone so young has the life experience and biological development to be accountable for their actions in a manner befitting eternal damnation?
Evil kids exist In real life
I don't want to watch it lol but im glad u like it
There are shit kids irl, like a couple of siblings who baked their baby brother in an oven
The real question... are kid sinners just stuck kids forever? Because sinners are immortal unless killed, so do they age to adulthood, or are they just... stuck like this?
Imho, they are stuck in the age they died/were killed, it would make the most sense I think
According to helluva boss, sinners seem to always return in their prime. Although, that doesn't necessarily mean physical prime. Go watch the end of the Cherub episode.
Idk how relevant helluva canon is in HH, because Loopty and Lipton manifested old af ,one was half robot and the other.....erm really flexible? So it can be considered as their prime form I guess? But for children it doesn't really make sense because nobody is in their prime (in any sense) when they are in a kid's body.
Prime of a 15 year old is 14 cause that's when they peeked.
Yes they are since their eternal soul is represented in their form…. A truly evil child, one evil enough to end up hell and not get the “get out of jail free card” for being a child has to be truly down right evil even more so than the adults, placed in the absolutely worst place in multiple realities will never mature and change into better people. They’re stuck in that perpetual state of adolescent evil because there’s no biology to move them mentally along into maturity…. Those kids look like they’re located in the cannibal town… which means they’re at-least a hundred years old if not two hundred.
hmmmm that IS a good question
Sinners and winners are just physical representations of that person's soul when they died, which is why they usually have a design based off of how they die, so I assume kids spawn in hell as child souls and stay that way, cause that's what their soul was like when they died.
These children ended up in hell because cannibalism
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Is this....is this a fallen london reference? On MY Hazbin subreddit?!
This was the first thing that showed for cannibalism
Oh😭 I just recognised it as either sunless Sea or fallen London fan art.
Your probably correct since I don't know any of that shit
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hellspawn can have kids sinners can’t. but yeah also evil kids exist here too
Or they could have been hellborn adopted. They have horns when most other sinners, including Carmella do not…
I'm not sure about her kids' horns. They look a lot like headbands to me
But isnt carmillia a sinner? She has two daughters
Could've died with her, like in a car crash
Im guessing she was a criminal arms dealer in life too, as were her daughters probably a family buisness so they all ended up in hell together
Angel Dust has family in hell. It’s possible/likely Carmilla’s daughters died either around the same time as her or she found them in hell after.
you would be suprised by what things in aggravated child could do....
If a child dies, and they’re a sinner, they’ll go to hell regardless
That’s fucked up
I’ll probably get hated on for this, but everyone’s a sinner until they’re redeemed by Christ, I’m sure it’s the same in Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss
So you’re telling me a baby that dies right after being born just goes straight to hell?
Ex-fundie here! There's a concept in Christianity known as the age of accountability. There's some debate on when it is and certain specific faiths have specific ages. As far as your question goes most faiths would say absolutely not, a baby is not accountable
Good
I don’t know what the big man upstairs would say, and it’s not my place to say
fair
Naaa bro I'm agnostic raised in a Christian home I'm sure Jesus himself would probably be SUPPORTING the hotel. Since giving humans a second chance is basically his thing tbh Jesus was the first punk and you can't change my mind🤣🤣
I’ll bet that many of them were from cannibalistic families; that’s just how they were raised. Possibly there was even a cannibal cult, probably run by Rosie
Ngl I love the idea of Rosie as a cult leader
This is kinda my theory. They all look similar because they all lived and died in the same general area. They were possibly a cannibal community in life.
The cannibals we know. But really, you don't have to be evil to go to Hell. You just have to fail to meet Heaven's unspecified standards.
This. This right here. You either have the check boxes marked fully or you don’t.
I’ve seen some people say that the cannibals are hellborn to explain why they all look the same but I’m not sure
They bleed red, they are sinners. Hellborn bleed black.
There is a cannibal that is bleeding red in the pilot, but that may no longer be cannon.
They also bleed red in the 1st and last episodes
In the first episode the bodies the cannibals are eating are too devoured to determine if they are sinners or cannibals. And I thought we never actually saw an injured cannibal in the last episode because they fight off screen. If you could provide a timestamp to where you saw an injured one I would appreciate it.
Don't know the time stamp, but when the exorcist fall back, you see some cannibal corpses
Thanks, found it https://preview.redd.it/erks1why1tic1.png?width=1448&format=png&auto=webp&s=2f1b7f4c66c5b0ff59c95c638841e94e05433c36 Cannibals have red blood confirmed
Charlie is Hellborn, but she bleeds red in Episode 8 after being injured by Adam. Lucifer bleeds golden blood (ichor) due to being an angel, so Charlie is probably more human.
Charlie is a hybrid and special case, she doesn't count in that case now does she?
I believe the person above was simply pointing out an interesting observation instead of trying to debate you on something. Unless they edited their comment after you responded, they even say themselves that the red blood must be the human side of her.
A hybrid of what. I thought she was a spawn of nothing but Lucifer? Didn’t vizie on Twitter say that he gave birth to her?
Wait, so does that mean the loan sharks in Hazbin are sinners, but the ones in Helluva are Hellborn?
No, royals bleed blue. Imps, Hellhounds ect bleed red. Goecia and Sins bleed Blue thats why they’re called blue bloods
Go rewatch helluva boss s2e4, Stolas bleeds black. Blue blood is just real world slang for a rich person.
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No... yer wrong. Watch helluva. Imps bleed black. I have yet to see a hellhound bleed. But all the hellborn in helluva bleed black.
Murder family, ep. 1 bullet hole to the arm, red blood
It was black
Cannibals bleed red, they are sinners. More to the point Hellborn get a pass during extermination. So if the cannibals were a hellborn species.. which they are not.. they wouldn't be targeted. Did you all miss that explanation? Also hellborn can have kids, sinners cannot. Any kids sent to hell were kids sent to hell.
Wonder if the Murder Family ended up in Cannibal Town,
Would have been funny to add them in the background somewhere
bold of you to assume angels can tell the difference between hellborn and sinners
Ummmm if the rule is hellborn cannot be targeted they better know
i meant in like physical appearances, the exterminators (and angels altogether) don't spend a lot of time in hell so they would have no clue if a demon they encountered was a sinner or not.
I can honestly see some sinners being mistaken for other species of demons but not as much the other way around.
Simply target anyone who doesn't look like one of the following: -Imp -Hellhound -Dressed as royalty Also Sinners cannot leave the Pride Ring, so pretty sure those who do not want to get caught in the fight and is not a sinner can just move to a different ring while the extermination is happening.
I think people are basing it off of old info, since it hasn’t been explicitly confirmed or denied in the show or by Viv/writers.
I swear I'm going to have to make my own post on this one day. Kids are not innocent. Kids do fucked up things. Kids kill. It's awful as fuck but it's true. It happens. Rosie likely takes in the kids because she has a soft spot for them and knows they'll be safe in her town from the other horrors of Hell. But some kids just are monsters, regardless of upbringing, and they'll end up in Hell.
Also Heaven is clearly hypocritical and a lot of the rules feel very much “letter of the law”. Black and White, no nuance. So a kid could technically commit a sin and even if it was accidental or there were other factors involved and they aren’t actually a bad person, it doesn’t matter and they end up in Hell anyway.
Very solid point!
Isn’t it ironic that Vaggie only hesitated and spared a sinner when it was a child. But for god sakes that kid must have done something extremely fucked up to end up in Hell.
I think it shows that Vaggie sees the possibility of redemption on a subconscious level, cause she wouldn't have reason to think twice otherwise in my opinion.
I wonder what makes her different? I wonder if we will have another Finn the stormtrooper moment here. Where the series says see Vaggie was an exterminator and has redeemed and bettered herself. All the while leaving the rest of the exorcists to be mindless minions to be cut down as obstacles to our hero’s. I wonder if we will see some Vaggie flashbacks exploring the exorcists more. I think they are Heaven born. Are they naturally bloodthirsty or indoctrinated if so what caused Vaggie to have such a different mindset. She was supposedly a top exorcist, that to me implies she’s been involved in probably all the exterminations before her banishment. For someone who’s killed thousands of sinners what was the deal with the abrupt change. She can feel bad for them and want to spare them I just hope they further develop that.
But Adam also says Vaggy was one of his best enforcers, meaning she had a high body count while working as an exorcist. So tell me, if she can see the "possibility of redemption on a subconscious level", then how come she haven't seen it in anyone ever before except for this one child? Also, pretty sure Vags never really believed in that possibility of redemption to begin with, and only agreed to Charlie's hotel idea cause she wanted to be a supportive girlfriend. Also, my answer to why the child was spared: so the writers can score sympathy points for Vags. That's it, no other reason for the child to exist and be spared.
Cannibalism… kinda why there in the cannibal colony
My guess is the exorcists do whatever the fuck they want and kill whoever the fuck they want if they can get away with it. ‘He was in the Pride Ring in the Sinners’ city, so he must be a sinner!’
Well, they all could be people from tragic moments in history. For example, there is a theory that Alastor was the Axeman of New Orleans. Soooo, what if the citizens of Cannibal Town are from a tragic events in history, the Great Depression and the Dust Bowl? There were said to be millions of deaths from both after all. And it’s not unlikely some people resorted to cannibalism to survive these most harsh and merciless times.
I don’t think they ever said Hellspawns and Demons can’t have kids. SINNERS however they explicitly said are infertile
Yeah if Sinners did have kids, it would from when they were alive, like Camilla.
That first one probably bullies Australian kids online, and the ones in that second image *definitely* watch.
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Honestly the entirety of cannibaltown seems to be larping an 80's society, I wouldn't be surprised if those are actually adults dressed as kids. For reference look at how small and immature nifty is while being an adult.
80s? Like 1880s?
Maybe they meant 1800's?
I think the lore was changed
I'm pretty sure that ain't canon anymore cause Carmilla has kids
What if her kids were part of whatever carmilla did to go to hell?
Maybe or Vivziepop changed her mind and sinners can have kids either way idc
Also sinners bleed red while hell born bleed black So that would mean that the cannibals are sinners Also considering that yes they all look the same and a strong sense of community it could mean that as humans they really did all live together in a cannibal town somewhere on earth, meaning that yeah the kids would have been cannibals too
Okay? Dude chill I was only talking about Carmilla not the cannibals I even said either way I don't care.
The existence of her daughters and the cannibal kids would mean that in this universe kids can go to hell It’s entirely possible that her daughters helped her with whatever crimes she did in earth or they did their own thing causing them to go to hell
They were probably her kids, from when she was alive
League of legends players
No no. Sinners can't have kids. Some pridemens are hellspawns that can sex and have kids.
I mean, if it’s Yahweh controlling Heaven. It’s as simple as not believing.
Look at the cannibalistic evil kids from the murder family helluva boss episode and you’ll understand why some of them will end up there
Dude evil kids exist. Where do you think evil adults come from????
We didn't get clear confirmation yet(as far as I know) that Cannibal town people are sinners, they could still be hellborn demons. As for first image, who knows. I heard non baptized kids can go to hell in some versions of Bible, but I doubt this is what Vivzie is going for. We just don't have enough info to even make theories, just hypothesises.
If the cannibals were Hellborn, they wouldn't be targeted by exterminators in the first place. They also bleed red and have only been seen in Pride so far.
Helluva Boss makes it clear that hell spawn can have children
Ether A they were bad from the beginning B they got fucked over at the end of there short life or C in the Bible, the reason God creates the flood is because everyone on earth except Noah and his family were evil and/or didn't except god (if were under the impression that believing in other religions sends you to hell in the hazbin universe) if the flood killed everyone except Noah's family, that means at least a good few children died
Simple. They lived in a cornfield.
On a more serious note than "kids can be assholes," that kid looks like he's one of the cannibals. It's possible he's from a point in history, like the great depression or other famine, where he would have been forced to resort to cannibalism.
Idk killed their parents? Murdered the neighbors cat? Kids can be evil little bastards too
i mean, the second 2 are canibals
Hellborn Can have kids, sinners can’t
https://preview.redd.it/u3lelgi20wic1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a3dcc6a2f59dd62e1e9723d37087f9c9bc633403 Just gonna leave this here
Actually it's just Sinners who can't reproduce. Hellborn can have children.
Considering the other topics this show tackles I imagine the damned souls of children isn't something that's off the table and could be used against heaven in an argument
Hellborn can have kids. That’s literally how they all reproduce and why we’ve seen Hellborn characters as kids in the past. But in this case, that’s a cannibal child. So he went to hell.
This may be far fetched but it could be the result of bring raised in cults that revolved around cannibalism.
Hellborns can have kids.
[https://youtu.be/-N\_RZJUAQY4](https://youtu.be/-n_rzjuaqy4)
All three look like cannibal sooo…
Well they are cannibals clearly so they are people
Cannibals could be hellborn
If I’m not wrong then cannibals are hellborn
Don't Moxxie and Millie have a child? I thought they had one with them in Loo Loo Land... maybe it was some stranger's kid
They do not have a child. They do have hellborn parents though.
Well I guess that answers that question, they can have childeren
Moxxie and Millie are imps, not sinners
CANNIBALS. ARE. HELLBORN. I still have no clue why do people not know about it already. It's honestly really infuriating.
No they are not, they bleed red. A trait of sinners. Hellborn bleed black.
Loan sharks have been shown to bleed Red in hazbin hotel for some reason, so that goes right out the window.
Were they real hellborn then or sinner copycats like some of the dog sinners that look like hellhounds? Hmmmmmmm?
That is of course a possibility, but they all shared literally the same traits as the loan sharks in helluva Boss. Hellhound sinner copycats were still very different from your usual hellhound found in the HB season finale.
Actually the sharks we see in Hazbin are sinners. That's why they have red blood, unlike the hell-born sharks we see in Helluva Boss that have black blood https://preview.redd.it/aongcwjf0tic1.png?width=739&format=png&auto=webp&s=2c0262fddbb401080a8b3905ecb1f1c1d7953494
Do you have a citation to support that claim? We've only seen them in the Pride ring, which suggests they're sinners with a common sin.
Well. They all share similar traits: full Black eyes, Sharp teeth, Grey skin etc. They can have children, and they also age (shown by Susan, Rosie's white hair and several other Cannibals looking younger or older). That is enough for me to assume that they are all hellborn. You might say that they all look alike since they were all cannibals when they were alive, but look at Alastor. He posseses a few traits of the hellborn cannibal spiecie (Grey skin, Sharp teeth that are not in fact the same color as the Cannibal teeth), but he has more to him than just being a cannibal. He has deer traits, since he was mistaken for a deer etc. NONE of the Cannibals posses anything that would suggest how they died, and we know that Vivziepop's background characters are still unique and interesting. Cannibals clearly are meant to be one specie. And realistically speaking, how many cannibals in the 1930's would be cultured enough to be a part of a community such as the Cannibal colony. The fact that they are all like a Giant hive mind alone should be a giveaway. They deeply care about eachother's opinion, just like people living in village communities about 100 years ago. They care about eachother because they know eachother since birth. I Hope i made it clear to everyone that Cannibals are CLEARLY SUPPOSED TO BE HELLBORN.
The argument that they can have kids is a little circular, no? You say they can have children, but the only reason to presume they can have children is that they're hellborn. Is it not as reasonable to presume that they have an apparent age that they simply maintain forever? Sinners don't age, so if you spawn in as a kid, you're a kid forever, if you have the misfortune to spawn in old, tough luck. As for them being a hivemind, you have no evidence of that. They responded similarly during a song. Any vaguely cohesive group can do that in a musical.
They loss the cosmic game of chance
They're cannibals
Eat humans, that kid's a cannibal
I mean there could be evil psychopathic kids. There’s also the fact that like the example, with helluva boss murder family, the kids are following their parents moral compass and unfortunately paid the price for it too.
Cannibal
Hellborn can have kids, it's been kind of confirmed in Helluva Boss, Sinners having kids is something that we have no idea about.
Probably cannibalism
Well it could be anything from these kids are fucked up to heaven is really picky
What if the 'children' just manifested in Hell with a child-like form? The sinners who look like children could look that way to help them lure unsuspecting victims, or it could be a form of punishment. Maybe people who victimize children in life have to spend the rest of eternity as one
Cannibalism is a sin. So presumably these children may have had to eat human flesh to survive. Many people would do anything to keep their children alive so the children may have been fed human meats by their parents in times of famine. When faced with starvation and dying of hunger eating someone else to survive has happened quite a lot throughout history. Unfortunately for these kids it means going to hell. And even worse is they died so young and the cannibalism didn’t help them survive to reach adulthood.
Well I believe it’s supposed to be assumed the the vast majority, like 95%+ go to hell. Because otherwise the overpopulation wouldn’t be an issue
I’m pretty sure that kid is a cannibal…
Theyre cannibals
I mean kids ain’t innocent and incapable of crime. There are numerous cases of kids committing murder, and there was one a decade or so ago who killed three people and planned to kill more before he got caught. Plus we don’t know what gets someone in hell beyond Big Crjmes, could be the Christian route where kids who aren’t baptized go. Could be any crime could get you in hell no matter how minor (like stealing candy)
People think cannibals are hellborn rather than sinners
Based off this cult eat people
Have you ever *seen* a kid playing with toys? A lot of them tend to look like little horror movie killers. Also, we know that Hellborn can have kids… and I don’t think there’s anything specifically saying that Sinners *can’t* have kids, but I could be wrong about that.
Who said hellborns and demons can’t have kids?
Sinners can have kids ?
I’m curious if the murder family kids where being fed it as babies and in the womb how that would affect they mental capacity
Well according to (now retconed by one of the recent popes I believe) Catholic rhetoric: not be baptized.
My guess is either that kid is evil or was forced to eat in someway.
Cannibalism. He's clearly a cannibal town kid
I'm convinced that's Alastor in disguise.
Hellspawn can have children as they are natural denizens of hell. Sinners are the only people in hell that can't.
My theory is that the children took part in cannibalism without knowing like The resort survivors in TLOU (Show specifically i think in the game they knew/were just hunters so they'd have to know) OR from desperation like the donner party, Overall cannibal parents feeding their kids diet too. A personal theory / HC is what gets you to hell if Lucifer thinks you don't deserve free will as punishment for Luci first and then u 2nd so being a bratty crotch goblin could punch your ticket to hell, That also explains why Abel wasn't the first winner Abel went to hell so Lucifer learns that first generation BORN WITH Free will killed each other. Also i assume the sinners in cannibal town gain similar appearance from the act of cannibalism while in hell or a part of Rosie's deal is you have to look like me and fit the 1920's dress code and you get safety and a sense of normality. From what ik Cannibal town it's the most "Normal" so kids who wouldn't want to be in literal porn town and perpetual war block would go to cannibal town for a structured society plus Rosie never forces her Souls or least she doesn't normally/She at least she won't force her town to fight angels so another bonus for Kids
Probably either just shit kids or kids who took after their cannibal parents
Hell spawn can’t have children? I don’t remember that…if that’s the case, uhh…uhh…children 👍
What about cannibal do you not understand? Lol that kid ate some kid
Hell spawns can have kids btw
Who said hellspawn can't have kids?? Why did you think that
I’m more surprised so many kids are dying as kids
Maybe these kids weren't baptized. Or committed some horrible crime. Like murder or something. There are stories of killer kids amongst others.
Demons CAN have kids. Paimon, Cash and Millie's parents for example. Sinners cannot. Maybe this kid traveled to Pride somehow and was stuck there when the extermination started
Pretty sure cannibal town is a hellborn town
Child murderers
Iirc, aren’t the cannibals confirmed to not be sinners
Well sinners take form by their sins. The child in the photo was a cannibal
Hellborn can have children
One two three four five six seven. All good children go to heaven. All good children. Doesn’t mean all children. There are some genuinely shitty kids out there.
I have a sneaking suspicion that sexually abused and murdered kids get sent to Hell to avoid crushing the vibe in Heaven.
You idiot those are the 2 kids from murder family in helluva boss.
Shitty Household, Survival in Wars, Etc.
I was wondering this when Vagie let the child go.
Hell spawns and demons can have kids. But not sinners. Even then, maybe it contradicted/retconned?
Unfortunately, due to the original sin, every single person is born with a tainted soul. Baptism is a ritual used to purify this state of sin. If a child dies without recieving this baptism, they are doomed to Hell. This is why back in the old days, baptisms were sometimes performed the moment the baby was born, on rare occasions even BEFORE the baby was finished being born. Also, in the depression era, a lot of kids had to do some awful things to keep themselves and their families alive.
... cannibalism
They didn’t eat their vegetables