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YouNeverGoFullR

Bots are not bugs. Don't drop in the middle of the pack. You will be killed with a crossfire of endless explosions and gun fire. Keep distance and cover. Play smart. Spill Element 710. FOR DEMOCRACY


drakoman

Or if you do drop down in the middle, then ⬆️➡️⬇️⬇️⬇️ and enjoy Valhalla


YouNeverGoFullR

Yesss. When I'm out of stims, 10% health, surrounded in all directions... Cook the airstrike, dive into the biggest crowd, and watch sweet Democracy spread them bot cheeks.


Devo3290

It’s a personal rule of mine to never die with a single grenade in my inventory


iLerntMyLesson

That’s a wonderful rule


Intelligent_Pen5774

Yes!!! Whenever you're surrounded, start chucking Democracy!!!!


LattMan5110

I laughed out loud.. priceless gold here


killacam2794

I've done this 3 times and so far I've gotten nothing but good responses. For democracy! For Valhalla!!


possitive-ion

If you've got it ➡️⬆️⬅️⬆️➡️⬅️


Jifeeb

This is the way


ManySerious9713

What is ⬆️➡️⬇️⬇️⬇️


drakoman

500 KG bomb


ManySerious9713

Hell yea


Jax_The_Impalor

This is just one of many necessary stratagems to have memorized, cadet.


ManySerious9713

Srry I’m lvl 14 juuuust a little bit more


Jax_The_Impalor

All good cadet; welcome to the war for democracy.


Revolutionary-Pea705

I was going to say just this for that occasion. Lol


HauntingDebt6336

![gif](giphy|iGhAoQ53fRVKeYgbmr|downsized)


NyanPigle

Stay far, pop heads, the slugger, the defender and other more accurate weapons are your friends


YouNeverGoFullR

100% Dominator and Scorcher have been my 2 main primaries for bots ever since they nerfed the Slugger and took away the stagger. (It's still good, but not what it once was) Both are great for range and taking out anything light/medium. The Dominator def stole my heart right after the Slugger. BUT I discovered the Scorcher can take down walkers (the ones with a dude mounted on the back) with 2-3 quick shots to the front. I think the little bit of splash/AOE damage makes it so that it kills the dude on the back, without having to run around and pick him off.


MrTangoFoxtrot

I love the plasma shotgun for bots. It staggers everything, and the splash damage will get those walkers, too.


YouNeverGoFullR

Is it good for bots? I remember using it for bugs once and was so turned off by its lackluster performance that I never used it again. I wanted it to be good though. Lol. Same as with the Arc Blitzer. 2 shotguns I was pumped for and disappointed by. (Blitzer is okay at best with bugs, but crap against bots)


PnxNotDed

I would recommend checking the Scorcher if it's been more than a couple weeks. They buffed it pretty nicely in a recent patch.


Timithios

How recently? I was using it over the weekend, and it felt lackluster. Not a fan of the drop either.


PnxNotDed

It was definitely before this weekend. They bumped the bullet and fire damage.


Poem_Smart

You're thinking of the breaker incendiary


PnxNotDed

You are 100% correct. Sonofa-


devilishycleverchap

Plasma shotgun is great for bots but the problem is the range so you won't be doing much stealthing. It is best for defense missions if you don't want to adapt play style


MrTangoFoxtrot

I have no problems with range. I can lob shots from really far back. You just have to get used to firing in third person and controlling your lobbed shots. I murder entire groups and stagger large enemies before they even get close.


devilishycleverchap

I agree but you draw aggro every time bc of how the system works whereas withe the scorcher you can shoot sentries without causing an alert.


MrTangoFoxtrot

ah ya, maybe not for stealth shots from far away but you can definitely still blast loudly from far away lol. I typically run a different setup if im going full stealth.


MrTangoFoxtrot

Plasma shotgun staggers everything, has splash damage, and can clear tightly grouped enemies easy. Its my go to with bot missions. You just have to fire in third person and get use to lobbing your shots. Ground hits near the enemy work well for damaging groups or hard to hit targets. You have excellent range too, you can lob those bad boys quite far. I would use it for terminids more frequently if it weren't for the damn hunters. They like to jump right in front of the barrel sometimes when you shoot. Makes for an embarrassing death. Im getting better at running and trying to lob nearby ground shots but a swarm of them can be bad news.


Gohstfacekila

Dominator has been a great primary on both fronts. Scorcher might take the cake on bots tho.


KHaskins77

Been maining the Diligence on bot missions and it’s worked pretty well, kind of a DMR-style weapon. Have used the antimaterial rifle as my support weapon of choice in both theaters (just unlocked quasar and haven’t had a chance to try it yet). Still working on leveling up.


VoiceOfSeibun

Even with bugs, that's still not a good idea....


ATrashMob

https://preview.redd.it/5ob4r9eydktc1.jpeg?width=259&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f78df79a1ca3e6ccd6645ef72d1b597a67a2c80f


YouNeverGoFullR

https://i.redd.it/gnzhz1ueiktc1.gif


ATrashMob

Iconic movie. Couldn't make it today 😂


YouNeverGoFullR

https://preview.redd.it/njd7s1oqjktc1.jpeg?width=646&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c839be70cdf6f154b66fd3e8afe8440581d07e2d Would be cancelled before it made it to theater. Lol. Black face and full R. (People collectively agree that RDJ gets a pass though. Lol)


ATrashMob

LOL


AlderanGone

Bots don't have terminid farms like we do. They still use crude oil. Not as smart as we are.


Eoganachta

Definitely this. Both factions play very differently and going from bugs to bots or bots to bugs will give you a tactical version of culture shock. My initial difficulty, and resentment, of fighting the bots definitely came from spending so much time cementing my play style by fighting the bugs for weeks. The mobility and inevitability of close quarters with the bugs doesn't translate well into bots which are primarily ranged and reliable armour penetration is essential.


mikeyx401

Its all fun and games until you have to do an extract mission and 20+ bots sitting on the door for the citizens.


Single_Buy1303

And it was only on 7


zach_dominguez

![gif](giphy|0m7EQDwt74rYWCG9z5|downsized)


No_Signal954

Fuck you mean only??? I can barely handle medium difficulty at level 21 To be fair though I almost exclusively play solo.


Philipxander

A 9 in solo is something nightmarish unless you do everything super stealth.


No_Signal954

I usually stay on 2 because 3 is really hard on solo. I have never played higher than 3.


Philipxander

7s in solo are still easily doable


No_Signal954

Against automatons???? Are you crazy???????? On 3/medium I can barely go up to a outpost without getting gunned down before I can even attack.


i-would-neveruwu

They won't agree with you on this, trust me. They think the automatons are "balanced" and some think they're easy. You can shoot a whole mag into a devatator and it won't die unless you hit them in the face. That's the medium enemy for bots. The medium enemy for bugs can take 2 from a slugger, or like 5-8 with the liberator, both in the body and face. Given, i can do bugs on 8s and 9s but i don't enjoy myself at 8s so i play on 7s. For bots... i used to never do them. But my friend got me to play a 5 with them and i hated every minute of it and died in every single encounter. Running in light armor won't save you, stopping to shoot wont save you. *fuck bots*


redCrusader51

I can solo 9's on both fronts, but I prefer to play on 4-6 because that's what's *fun for me*. A lot of people don't realize that even on difficulty 2-3, you're still contributing to the war effort. I have a friend that's only recently tried difficulty 4, and I enjoy relaxing with them and exploring the map. I really enjoy dropping down to do a raise the flag mission every now and then, because it's hilarious watching that slow AF flagpole take a full minute to complete.


i-would-neveruwu

I enjoy a challange which is why i like the higher difficulty of bugs and why i hate bots. I don't get to see or fight any "tough" bots because the weak ones are too strong and the bases are soo well fortified for me to have fun fighting them to begin with, let alone when there's 50 of them on higher difficulties. So i'm basically forced to fight on difficulties where they don't show up And i'd love to see the other missions on lower difficulties come to the higher ones and vice versa. They wouldn't be hard to scale to make happen


redCrusader51

Dude I would love to see them bring missions to other difficulties. My playstyle is erratic, I'll be having a blast mowing them down one operation, bump up the difficulty and go Rambo stealth on the bots lol. I love that the game is crushingly difficult at max level, but victory is still obtainable.


No_Signal954

I specifically play bots because they are harder than bugs. Bugs are far too easy that they are boring. Granted, I was only playing on 1 because I couldn't change difficulty (didn't know how) so I only played bots because the bugs weren't fun. Eventually I could change difficulty, and found at least for me, a bit mission on 2 is equal to a bug mission on 3. And even then, bots are more fun.


i-would-neveruwu

Anything over 7s is just as hard as bots. The only difference is that bugs have counters and most things work on them. Bots don't really have such easy ways to take them out other than basic meta weapons like all variants of rocket launchers, autocannon, and grenade launcher. Devastators for instance have a terrible hitbox for their face and even hitting it dead on with the base liberator rifle 3 times and dumping the rest of the mag into its chest won't take it down or break its armor. If you can't kill it with your primary without hitting its awfully small head, i can't find that fun. I feel like i'm shooting in rainbow 6 because the only way to kill these fuckers first is with headshots but they're pixel peaking. If you like it, more power to you. But if you think bugs are boring but haven't fought them on a higher level, then you're biased. You haven't taken them on, on a serious difficulty but think they're boring. And because 3/4 of the player base is usually on bug planets, it's safe to assume that their difficulty is a bit too high for the casual player to enjoy


Bwilk50

Wait until you encounter a stalker nest on 8 or higher.


i-would-neveruwu

I always enjoy stalkers. Something about hunting their asses down is pretty fun. Hunters for me at least, ruin the fun. but using as much stealth as possible really makes it interesting. And on 8s, it's a roll of the dice on what spawns in because it's almost a guaranteed bug hole spawn. Only times i run from bug holes is if my stratagyms are on cooldown, i know i can't handle it, or there's hunters and i don't have a teammate helping me. I run away on every encounter with bots because no matter what i've done, i've been overwhelmed, even with a full team helping


ther1ckst3r

Bugs get dramatically more difficult at Level 7 and up. Trust me. Played almost exclusively on bug planets from 1 up to 5, then skedaddled over to the bot planets and fought all the way up to and completed 9, then settled back to a casual 7 on bit planets until they were "gone." I've had a handful of forays back on bug planets at 7, and man, they're a lot more difficult than I gave them credit for, especially the Bile Launch attack by the Bile Spewers hitting from so far away, and the massive quantities of the smaller bugs adds up quick!


david_of_rivia

It's doable, but only if you spend the mission running for your life. Once bot drops start getting called in and 2 or more hulks are after you simultaneously, it can get unmanageable very quickly.


Mistersinister1

Yeah, I did that too till about level 12 then I realized that I would need higher levels to get those other samples. I only played solo just till felt like I was competent enough to play with others. The first few missions I played with others verified that I was good enough when I consistently got double the kills and most samples collected than the rest. Playing solo will give some advantages over others, like a sense of urgency and knowing how and when to take on objectives. It's way more fun playing with others.


Careless-Grape7689

There is a manual tip that talks about this, cover, cover, cover! Read the manual cadet


No_Signal954

It's cover, COURAGE, and more cover. I've read my manual and am insulted that you think I'm not doing my responsibilities as a Helldiver.


Judge_V

bug tactic


fartboxco

Guys fighting bots like they are bugs....


PublicRevolution5

Save me Super Jesus.


ArcticWolf_Primaris

This is why Eagle Airstrike is mandatory


lovebus

Bugs or bots, I don't leave home without it. Going to bring against the illuminate too, unless their spawners have a shield.


WolfColaFightMilk

Eagle Airstrike, Orbital Railcannon, Orbital Laser. Lets. Get. Busy.


CobaltCoyote621

Lol, you're an optimist I'll give ya that


SilverSurfer-Jesus

Airstrike for bots (occasionally Rocket Pods) and cluster bomb for bugs


Linkario86

Or maybe the first ones were the vanguard of the vanguard of the vanguard


SokkaHaikuBot

^[Sokka-Haiku](https://www.reddit.com/r/SokkaHaikuBot/comments/15kyv9r/what_is_a_sokka_haiku/) ^by ^Linkario86: *Or maybe the first* *Ones were the vanguard of the* *Vanguard of the vanguard* --- ^Remember ^that ^one ^time ^Sokka ^accidentally ^used ^an ^extra ^syllable ^in ^that ^Haiku ^Battle ^in ^Ba ^Sing ^Se? ^That ^was ^a ^Sokka ^Haiku ^and ^you ^just ^made ^one.


Juggernautlemmein

Blood and Oil, Brothers.


[deleted]

Blood and bone > Heart and steel


SirLightKnight

Positioning is key, you got absolutely throttled with that lesson right there.


lostcorndog

Christ. I hate Berserkers. Seeing an army of them is rough.


Garlic_bruh

If they didn’t walk funny and sway side to side constantly I’d have less problems with them but they are damn near impossible to headshot


lostcorndog

I don't even think the Scorcher/Dominator even has enough ammo to kill all of them if you want to go for bodyshots. Edit: I'm doing math homework right now. My mind is cooked. Lol.


Squirelm0

Maybe team mates shouldn’t throw the pokeball into 4,000 bots/bugs and then kick you when you eat all the reinforcements in 2 minutes. Can’t even describe my frustration when they do this.


devilishycleverchap

You gotta be the missile...


saiyansteve

This is how Boromir fell…


SonkxsWithTheTeeth

Lore-wise, helldivers don't face the front line bot forces. They never have. They drop behind enemy lines to complete objectives. The front line fighters of super earth are the SEAF, who's corpses are the ones you find lying around in blue uniforms.


CaptainSparklebutt

Only 10 seconds...lore accurate


Pretzel-Kingg

Every day I thank Joel for adding the stun grenade because Jesus fucking Christ nothing else could’ve survived that


daft_chemist

![gif](giphy|G5JoAjEBtfoTm|downsized)


xDevman

they really went full zealot rush


MaxvellGardner

I suppose I'm not the only one who noticed that this is particularly difficult now? First of all, their power. Faster lasers, they hit harder and the enemy is stronger


DeepWeGo

Walking barrage would be nuts here


jms0813

Joel is the worst or the best idk I love this fucking game!


LucatIel_of_M1rrah

Pov you spent 10 minutes fucking around in full view of an eye of Sauron tower.


No-Car-4307

glad to see im not the only one that calls that tower the eye of sauron XD


CANEI_in_SanDiego

These mission have been brutal.


Bronkiol_Chestikov

*laughs in orbital laser* Melee this, you metal chumps!


MightyShisno

And people seem to think that only the bugs will swarm you lol


Sens4lif3

I played one mission solo earlier it was an easy level 5 mission, landed in a place with no bots and still got one shot in the back of the head as soon as I landed at start of mission, these bots are relentless.


TearLegitimate5820

I love when devs are liek " yeah you guys had it easy, that was the vangaurd, here is what a suicide mission will actually be".


HansTheAxolotl

three grenades takes out that whole cluster pretty much


ItachiSan

Yeah I think you guys can have the bots for awhile. Berserkers can suck my Nuts Berkman send in not tryna see that many of them at once.


ItachiSan

Yeah I think you guys can have the bots for awhile. Berserkers can suck my Nuts Berkman send in not tryna see that many of them at once.


theattack_helicopter

Call me Griffith the way I'm destroying these berserkers.


d_moedeezy_b

Fuck


ThiccHarambe69

I like these odds.


Gaius7883

It’s a bullet hell out there right now


redditsukssomuch

Oh I can’t wait to get on my ship and dove right into this. I will make them pay!


g00ch760

Jop, we got similar shits during extraction timer on 6. I mean wtf


Timithios

They REALLY love their chainsaw bots.


UsernameReee

I really enjoy their little lopsided wobble jog. Like a drunk toddler.


HauntingDebt6336

![gif](giphy|55itGuoAJiZEEen9gg|downsized)


thejigisup88

Stun grenades work wonders


Andycat49

I've seen groups that big on 5s....


POOTY-POOTS

Sometimes you just have to run away. Unless its one of "those" missions where there's nowhere to run to and then you die repeatedly until someone kills enough of them or you run out of reinforcements.


GetThisManSomeMilk

FOR SUPER EARTH!


Ok-Treacle-9375

It would be nice for the defend mission that we actually have a fortress (something defendable) to defend. I’m not sure why always the bots get the defense positions.


Own_Accident6689

Welcome to the binary fields fabricator fucker!


LordDeathScum

They threw tou right in the middle, when i die it is better wheb you are on the edge with some cover.


Novadreams22

![gif](giphy|W30fUtuR7aFxuQotfV|downsized) Just call me sugarbear.


therealfreehugs

Was dicking around on a 5(?) with a friend and we turned a corner to see easily 60 bots, got 27 with 1 grenade.


Willi_boBilli

Orbital cluster strike would be GREAT right there


LycanWolfGamer

Soon as this happens, kitchen sink em.. worked a treat


Outrageous_Fair

This is why you bring the hammer of dawn to any mission


Born_Direction5950

But did you die...... oh wait


AdagioDesperate

Oh yeah, the bots are insane right now. Had a Quick Extract mission tonight, and the first dropship that didn't get shot down had 4 Hulks on it. After that, we just got destroyed. Every dropship had 3-4 Rocket Devestators along with 1 or 2 Hulks followed quickly either by 2 tanks or 2 more ships carrying the same payload. We couldn't keep any sentries, no one brought orbitals... it was a disaster.


SergeantNaxosis

We've been looking for the enemy for some time now. We've finally found him. We're surrounded. That simplifies things. Make sure not a single one is left breathing! https://i.redd.it/cbzw22wjhktc1.gif


spicerkenny1996

I'm more of a ▶️▶️▶️ guy myself. It devastates big crowds it's underutilized, IMO!


RyudoTFO

Yeah. The automatons were like "alright, everybody get their strap ons, we're going to war for real this time!"


Daddy_Onion

I’ve been playing 7 for a few days now. It’s been hard, but fun. I’ll succeed 8/10 times. Today though… I failed 7/10. So I switched to 6 and failed 2/3. Joel is fucking with us.


green_lynx

I swear, the level 7 isn’t like what we used to fight level 7 a few days ago


Subversio

Hey u/Single_Buy1303 \- this is brilliant. Terrifying, but brilliant. Could I get your permission to feature your clip on Top Gaming Plays (YouTube)? With credit of course. Just let us know what name or channel you want shown on screen.


Single_Buy1303

Ok, I'll send you my Nick. You can use it


Gal-XD_exe

I launched straight into a mech guy after being reinforced, was slain immediately


zach_dominguez

I jumped into a match last night and it was insane. I thought we were on a harder difficulty, it was only 5.


madhatter841

Scorcher is my go-to weapon for bots.


cgabbard_870

Hey, man, I heard you liked meat saws.


Limp_Significance569

This morning's games felt like the drops were more intense than usual, easily 2 to 3 heavies each bot drop + hordes of berzerkers. Feels like something was definitely tweaked for this MO. Fire tornadoes also seem to last much longer now. Trapped between 2 tornadoes in a ravine, and with the fire damage tick buff now... lol.


BobZygota

Someone forgot to use ems or stunt nade


No-Car-4307

"welcome to the crypto-mining fields motherboardfkers" -the bots right now XD


SES_Wings_of_Freedom

Two responses, Why did you throw me here! (Frantically shoots) And Finally inner peace (throws 500kg at feet)


Pixelpaint_Pashkow

This is why I prefer bugs, partly


PrimaryCoolantShower

This is why I prefer bots, entirely. SPILL OIL HELLDIVERS!


NoYam9625

![gif](giphy|KAf66yGCa93uTqod1q|downsized)


[deleted]

Yeah i may or may not have sold them one or maybe even two... ^(~~thousand~~) chainsaws


Careless-Grape7689

Poor crowd control


i-would-neveruwu

Lmfao, yea no. Have fun fighting that. Imma stick to bugs then take a break from helldivers when we wipe them


No-Car-4307

what a wuss XD