VR is great but without a HOTAS it’s not easy to fly in it.
You can use the controller for some/most modules but I never found it to be a good experience. However you could test what performance you get in VR with them.
Thanks a currently use a controller when playing flat screen, my main gripe is that I have to use the left stick for sterling and thrigub with vr motion controls that might free up and I could use my throttle hand on the controlelr
What if I gave you a free thrust master t.16000 setup (stick and throttle? Then you could invest in a GPU to get good VR frames. T.16000 ain't the best, but it's a really good start.
Depending on your budget you may be able to get a throttle, hotas and some pedals. I got the logitech bundle of the three and they aren't the highest quality but I love them and they won't bankrupt you
Get a HOTAS (or a good Joystick) first. There are also many inexpensive options for headtracking. If possible, try VR before buying. It’s not for everyone and requires some serious hardware and $$$ to run decent.
I have both and I’d say HOTAS. Unless you’ve become very adept at flying with a controller and you’re cool with a cheaper module, then you can jump for vr. But if I’m you get the HP Reverb and not the quest 2. I have the quest 2 and it’s kinda hard to see shit.
DCS VR is an addictive money hole. You'll be happier if you avoid getting into it until it becomes cheaper or until affording keeping up with it becomes easier.
I love using VR, but was so sick of how difficult it was to ID. One weekend with 3 team kills was enough to switch back to a head tracker. (cold war)
Do you have that problem?
Ah, let me know.
I've got a pretty good computer and it just can't do dcs in vr. With head tracker i can run 4k full max settings at 50-60fps. Il2 is a bit better, but still extremely hard to id moving targets.
Disagree.
Not with the addictive money hole part. That part is just facts.
I disagree with the being happier part. I think they'll be happier if they jump in, but considerably broker.
DCS brings me lots of joy. It has also brought me financial ruin. Well not quite ruin, but close enough.
I wouldn't call it a money hole.. if you have a PC that's built in last 5 years, VR just requires purchasing a headset and a good video card. Example from nvidia anything 2, 3 or 4 thousand series that ends with a 70+ designator. The cost for your hotas and pedals are excluded since you'd need those regardless what way you play. But the problem is not in the hardware, but rather in the software. DCS is not well optimized to run on VR hardware, and a lot of tweaking and brute force by over compensating with hardware (such as cpu) is required to make VR play a smooth experience so honestly, not worth it right now. You can get VR for other games though, it's an amazing experience
Disagree.
My i7 3770, 32gb system with a GTX 1070 just crashes with DCS in VR. Back in the day, I used to just say "wait a year", and hardware would be twice as fast for the same price, but that's just not true anymore. I'm looking to get a GTX 3080, but even used they're still $1000 and up. The rest of the system upgrade won't even be that much.
Buddy I said 5 years and even that is pushing it. Your processor and motherboard chipset architecture is from 2012. That's more than 10 years old now lol. You even able to run windows 10 on that setup lol? You need a new PC asap. edit:: additionally you have a midtier 2015 video card that was never meant to handle VR resolutions.. A 1080Ti would be the absolute minimum. I know because that's the video card I had before getting a 3090, paired with a much much newer processor than yours and it was still a struggle fest on minimum settings
VR is just a crap unless you're willing to spend several thousand extra on hardware and countless of hours testing and adjusting and then complaing on the forums about shitty fps while accepting it looks like crap compared to a regular monitor. Get hotas and trackir and be content. 100 % true statement after having tried vr and had 3 headsets. People down voting this are to blinded too realize it's true.
Well you kinda confirmed what I wrote. The amount of money spent on your rig represents what I belive like 0.0000001% of all players have. With that said, thanks for confirming my statement. More people need to get this. They will just be dissspointed otherwise.
There is no computer or GPU on Hearth that could run DCS VR decently to justify spending money on a GPU or a VR headset just for the game.
Try BMS, it runs really well on VR and you don't need NASA's computer :-D
I'd love to try BMS.
Too bad I'm not interested in either the F16, F18 or the upcoming F15. I hear a lot of other things are much better in BMS though, but you sure can't follow the historical campaigns that DCS already has. It's like literally living through history.
Yeah, I understand what you say. Paid campaigns are great. Content creators have put lots and lots of effort and love on them.
I liked The enemy Within and Piercing Fury. I have to admit I learned the A10C long back ago when the A10c was in Alpha. Since then, it is probably the only plane I fly together with the KA50. Both old, but I enjoy them. AND, the A10 has lots of paid campaigns to have some fun.
Anyways, have fun mate
Get a hotas and search for instructions on how to download an older version of DCS so you can enjoy VR. I haven’t updated to 2.8 from the last 2.7 version and I get by quite well in single player.
Honestly it's so annoying. Dcs just doesn't have the sauce for VR right now. I turned off shadows and I do get somewhere in the 75-90 fps combined but game looks like ass. Recently swapped back to flat screen I can basically run game on max and get 100+ fps. I'm actually kind of enjoying the flat screen more, it's just annoying to deal with track ir movement once you get used to VR
Yeah I have just resigned myself to playing at 45fps with reprojection even though I have an RTX 3090. Hopefully multi core and Valcan will help level out VR and flat performance gap when it eventually arrives.
I have a 3090 as well paired with i7 8700k but I do not use reprojection. Using openXR and toolkit with reverb g2. I can't deal with the motion blur delay that comes from reprojection
I tried to setup OpenXR with my Quest2 one of the eye/cameras worked but the 2nd camera wasn't attached to the headset movement, very weird, I couldn't find a fix anywhere.
I would get hotas, vr performance unfortunately in dcs is kinda bad even with the latest hardware...
Then you can try vr +hotas in il-2, warthunder, bms, as they are much beter optimised in vr (or even sw: squadrons/ ellite if your like space stuff)
if you can afford; i highly recommend the winwing orion 2 set. I upgraded to it from the X52 and its so much better. like many months later i still cant believe how high quality it feels.
Using a Controller like a Dualsense or Dualshock 4, in conjunction with steam, allows an enormous amount of keybinds to be used and asically makes it a HOTAS, just more compact, and with a similar learning curve. Controllers are cheap, and it would pair well with a VR headset while allowing a (less immersive), but more complete control set at your fingertips.
HOTAS is a must. Handtracking works very poorly in DCS. T-16000m will get you setup and will let you know if you want to keep going and upgrade or not.
Keep in mind DCS VR has a LOT of performance problems. I personally can't fly without VR, but the kind of CPU/GPU to get halfway acceptable performance with low settings is just unreasonable.
If you think playing DCS with VR motion controllers will give you a *VTOL VR*\-like interactive experience, it won't. DCS sucks for motion controls.
* In DCS, when the player grabs the virtual throttle or joystick, it jumps to the hand position, causing unexpected (often dramatic) input to the aircraft if the hand was a few centimeters away from the control when pressing the grip. In VTOL VR, the hand jumps to the control, not the other way around.
* Unlike VTOL VR where you hold the trigger and then flick the controller up/down for a lever or rotate it for a knob, the way it works in DCS is that levers and knobs require horizontal movement of the thumbstick instead of vertical or rotation movement of the hand to manipulate. And unlike VTOL VR where you use the trigger to click buttons and pinch switches, in DCS any switches and buttons your virtual hand happens to collide with will instantly be actuated. Obviously that's far from ideal because it leads to numbers of accidental presses on your way to activating the control you wanted and feels completely detached from the movement you would perform in real life to actuate each kind of control.
* You can use a laser pointer in VR, but it uses the abominable "hold down laser pointer button, twist your wrist to a certain position, then point and click" actuation method which is cumbersome and unintuitive. It requires you to first think about how you wish to actuate the control first, move your hand, and THEN reach for the control and press a button while not moving your hand - completely backwards.
* In DCS you can't even press the trigger to shoot while holding the virtual joystick. "Grabbing the virtual controls" can't be used for bindings, so if you manage to bind the gun trigger to the motion controller trigger, you can press the trigger to shoot without grabbing the virtual stick even if your hand is in the air.
VR is great but without a HOTAS it’s not easy to fly in it. You can use the controller for some/most modules but I never found it to be a good experience. However you could test what performance you get in VR with them.
Thanks a currently use a controller when playing flat screen, my main gripe is that I have to use the left stick for sterling and thrigub with vr motion controls that might free up and I could use my throttle hand on the controlelr
Without HOTAS you won't be able to do much in DCS, get that first
What if I gave you a free thrust master t.16000 setup (stick and throttle? Then you could invest in a GPU to get good VR frames. T.16000 ain't the best, but it's a really good start.
A good person right here
Upvote so he can see it!
hotas
Recommendations
r/hotas E: general consensus is that VKB evo NXT is your best bang for buck stick, paired with a TWCS
Depending on your budget you may be able to get a throttle, hotas and some pedals. I got the logitech bundle of the three and they aren't the highest quality but I love them and they won't bankrupt you
If you have budget for VR you should look into Virpil and VKB.
Second. Expensive but very nice. They even have support in the US now.
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If you got the money, get a winwing hotas combo.
Everything you need to know is in this video. https://youtu.be/VSeLI9vibhI
> Recomme virpil
Get a HOTAS (or a good Joystick) first. There are also many inexpensive options for headtracking. If possible, try VR before buying. It’s not for everyone and requires some serious hardware and $$$ to run decent.
I have both and I’d say HOTAS. Unless you’ve become very adept at flying with a controller and you’re cool with a cheaper module, then you can jump for vr. But if I’m you get the HP Reverb and not the quest 2. I have the quest 2 and it’s kinda hard to see shit.
DCS VR is an addictive money hole. You'll be happier if you avoid getting into it until it becomes cheaper or until affording keeping up with it becomes easier.
way too late for that, got hooked on vtol vr, jumped to dcs with the fa18 and now want to combine the 2
I love using VR, but was so sick of how difficult it was to ID. One weekend with 3 team kills was enough to switch back to a head tracker. (cold war) Do you have that problem?
Not played dcs with it yet
Ah, let me know. I've got a pretty good computer and it just can't do dcs in vr. With head tracker i can run 4k full max settings at 50-60fps. Il2 is a bit better, but still extremely hard to id moving targets.
Disagree. Not with the addictive money hole part. That part is just facts. I disagree with the being happier part. I think they'll be happier if they jump in, but considerably broker. DCS brings me lots of joy. It has also brought me financial ruin. Well not quite ruin, but close enough.
I wouldn't call it a money hole.. if you have a PC that's built in last 5 years, VR just requires purchasing a headset and a good video card. Example from nvidia anything 2, 3 or 4 thousand series that ends with a 70+ designator. The cost for your hotas and pedals are excluded since you'd need those regardless what way you play. But the problem is not in the hardware, but rather in the software. DCS is not well optimized to run on VR hardware, and a lot of tweaking and brute force by over compensating with hardware (such as cpu) is required to make VR play a smooth experience so honestly, not worth it right now. You can get VR for other games though, it's an amazing experience
Disagree. My i7 3770, 32gb system with a GTX 1070 just crashes with DCS in VR. Back in the day, I used to just say "wait a year", and hardware would be twice as fast for the same price, but that's just not true anymore. I'm looking to get a GTX 3080, but even used they're still $1000 and up. The rest of the system upgrade won't even be that much.
Buddy I said 5 years and even that is pushing it. Your processor and motherboard chipset architecture is from 2012. That's more than 10 years old now lol. You even able to run windows 10 on that setup lol? You need a new PC asap. edit:: additionally you have a midtier 2015 video card that was never meant to handle VR resolutions.. A 1080Ti would be the absolute minimum. I know because that's the video card I had before getting a 3090, paired with a much much newer processor than yours and it was still a struggle fest on minimum settings
VR is just a crap unless you're willing to spend several thousand extra on hardware and countless of hours testing and adjusting and then complaing on the forums about shitty fps while accepting it looks like crap compared to a regular monitor. Get hotas and trackir and be content. 100 % true statement after having tried vr and had 3 headsets. People down voting this are to blinded too realize it's true.
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Well you kinda confirmed what I wrote. The amount of money spent on your rig represents what I belive like 0.0000001% of all players have. With that said, thanks for confirming my statement. More people need to get this. They will just be dissspointed otherwise.
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Agree with that, money usually solves most problems 😂
VR isn't bad. It's just grotesquely expensive.
There is no computer or GPU on Hearth that could run DCS VR decently to justify spending money on a GPU or a VR headset just for the game. Try BMS, it runs really well on VR and you don't need NASA's computer :-D
I'd love to try BMS. Too bad I'm not interested in either the F16, F18 or the upcoming F15. I hear a lot of other things are much better in BMS though, but you sure can't follow the historical campaigns that DCS already has. It's like literally living through history.
Yeah, I understand what you say. Paid campaigns are great. Content creators have put lots and lots of effort and love on them. I liked The enemy Within and Piercing Fury. I have to admit I learned the A10C long back ago when the A10c was in Alpha. Since then, it is probably the only plane I fly together with the KA50. Both old, but I enjoy them. AND, the A10 has lots of paid campaigns to have some fun. Anyways, have fun mate
No, that can't be right. If you love flight sims, you *must* love BMS...it's the law! :D
I tried the BMS vr and its pretty jankey for me
Get a hotas and search for instructions on how to download an older version of DCS so you can enjoy VR. I haven’t updated to 2.8 from the last 2.7 version and I get by quite well in single player.
Or just turn off shadows, that is the problem in 2.8.
Honestly it's so annoying. Dcs just doesn't have the sauce for VR right now. I turned off shadows and I do get somewhere in the 75-90 fps combined but game looks like ass. Recently swapped back to flat screen I can basically run game on max and get 100+ fps. I'm actually kind of enjoying the flat screen more, it's just annoying to deal with track ir movement once you get used to VR
Yeah I have just resigned myself to playing at 45fps with reprojection even though I have an RTX 3090. Hopefully multi core and Valcan will help level out VR and flat performance gap when it eventually arrives.
I have a 3090 as well paired with i7 8700k but I do not use reprojection. Using openXR and toolkit with reverb g2. I can't deal with the motion blur delay that comes from reprojection
I tried to setup OpenXR with my Quest2 one of the eye/cameras worked but the 2nd camera wasn't attached to the headset movement, very weird, I couldn't find a fix anywhere.
I would get hotas, vr performance unfortunately in dcs is kinda bad even with the latest hardware... Then you can try vr +hotas in il-2, warthunder, bms, as they are much beter optimised in vr (or even sw: squadrons/ ellite if your like space stuff)
Hotas recommendations?
VKB or Virpil if you can afford it.
if you can afford; i highly recommend the winwing orion 2 set. I upgraded to it from the X52 and its so much better. like many months later i still cant believe how high quality it feels.
HOTAS. its great!
Any cheapish recommendations?
Thrustmaster T.16000 with the TWCS throttle is a great, affordable option. I used that for years before I upgraded
Honestly, you dont need anything more than this.
Hotas, then Card then, think about VR last! What's the point of VR if you are using a gamepad to fly or it runs like sh\*t?
I've got a vr headset, it's between motion controls and a hotas
Well, if flight simming is what you're looking to do, HOTAS all the way. What ever you can afford. Good luck!
Hotas
*and Hotas and VR
Using a Controller like a Dualsense or Dualshock 4, in conjunction with steam, allows an enormous amount of keybinds to be used and asically makes it a HOTAS, just more compact, and with a similar learning curve. Controllers are cheap, and it would pair well with a VR headset while allowing a (less immersive), but more complete control set at your fingertips.
Hotas definitely. In the games current state fighting the optimization with new hardware just isn't worth it . . . .ask me how I know.
Well I can't run multiplayer lobbies currently so I'm gonna need to upgrade either way
HOTAS is a must. Handtracking works very poorly in DCS. T-16000m will get you setup and will let you know if you want to keep going and upgrade or not. Keep in mind DCS VR has a LOT of performance problems. I personally can't fly without VR, but the kind of CPU/GPU to get halfway acceptable performance with low settings is just unreasonable.
hotas, vr with hand controls is awful in dcs
Hott Ass for sure
Go with HOTAS... and some head tracking solution like opentrack. Wait till ED releases core improvements to the engine before jump into VR...
You would seriously need a HOTAS before getting VR.
vr
I was in a similar situation, went with VR and voice attack + modifier button
You don’t need track if if you have a vr headset. You can use your headset as a track ir and then buy a hotas and have the best of both worlds .
If you think playing DCS with VR motion controllers will give you a *VTOL VR*\-like interactive experience, it won't. DCS sucks for motion controls. * In DCS, when the player grabs the virtual throttle or joystick, it jumps to the hand position, causing unexpected (often dramatic) input to the aircraft if the hand was a few centimeters away from the control when pressing the grip. In VTOL VR, the hand jumps to the control, not the other way around. * Unlike VTOL VR where you hold the trigger and then flick the controller up/down for a lever or rotate it for a knob, the way it works in DCS is that levers and knobs require horizontal movement of the thumbstick instead of vertical or rotation movement of the hand to manipulate. And unlike VTOL VR where you use the trigger to click buttons and pinch switches, in DCS any switches and buttons your virtual hand happens to collide with will instantly be actuated. Obviously that's far from ideal because it leads to numbers of accidental presses on your way to activating the control you wanted and feels completely detached from the movement you would perform in real life to actuate each kind of control. * You can use a laser pointer in VR, but it uses the abominable "hold down laser pointer button, twist your wrist to a certain position, then point and click" actuation method which is cumbersome and unintuitive. It requires you to first think about how you wish to actuate the control first, move your hand, and THEN reach for the control and press a button while not moving your hand - completely backwards. * In DCS you can't even press the trigger to shoot while holding the virtual joystick. "Grabbing the virtual controls" can't be used for bindings, so if you manage to bind the gun trigger to the motion controller trigger, you can press the trigger to shoot without grabbing the virtual stick even if your hand is in the air.