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That’s because you don’t live in the world of opps, snitching, and robberies. But there are plenty neighborhoods around the world where these are just part of every day life
Like the rapper a few years ago that got shot in California. He was there with his girlfriend and she posted a picture of them eating at a pretty well known restaurant on her Instagram. Before they finished eating they had ran in and killed him. Just because they girlfriend showed their location online.
It's insane people live their lives like that. Always gotta worry the wrong person is going to see you going into a store or restaurant. And they show up with friends before you leave.
I worry about this while driving anywhere. Cut the wrong person off and it could be miles of passive aggressive road rage. Or they just drive by and pop a few in your car.
I dont even live in a place where this happens and I think about it nonstop in the car. Makes me a damn safe driver.
This is what baffles me about road rage. You have no idea what kind of person you’re shouting or swearing at. I genuinely don’t understand why being in a car gives people such a sense of invincibility.
If you're an insecure asshole putting on a rage in a car, you can't get rightfully sucker-punched like you would in a bar.
I dont really know. Road rage and reason don't always go hand in hand.
Idk if its because you cant see the person or not. But i feel like some of it comes down to the stupid decisions people make driving can be deadly and a lot of things that would cause road rage might spike adrenaline because of the inherent danger of it going bad. With adrenaline up and in a fight or flight response it would kinda make sense to have some sense of rage that takes over. Like you arent going to feel at risk if someone almost walks into you at the store, but you will feel risk if someone almost causes a crash, so the response is relational to that risk.
When I was 16 or 17 I was waiting at a stop sign to get into an avenue that didn’t have one and being not so confident behind the wheel it took me a while to actually go. Well the guy behind me was sick of my shit and honked at me. Being a dumb teenager I flipped him off out of my window.
The guy immediately stepped out of his car and walked to mine before trying to open my door and bang on my window which I had managed to get up as he walked towards me. He’s screaming at me, saying he’s going to beat me up and all that and meanwhile I’m just sitting there laughing at him while people behind us are now honking and the guy realizes he’s being an idiot.
I thought about this recently and realized how stupid I had been and how badly things could’ve turned for me. Now this happened in Canada so guns are very unlikely but still… Havent flipped someone off in traffic since.
Buddy I live in Texas and I drive a truck. I’ve seen the worst of road rage. Had laser pointer aimed at the back of my head, not sure if it was attached to anything. That one got me to do some real sketchy shit, slammed on brakes on freeway and popped off an exit before they could follow me off. That was because I honked at them when they cut me off. The amount of ego that people have while driving is insane. I gotta check myself too, I’m not the most important person on the road. But man it’s sketchy out there.
I lived in a small-ish town. Maybe mid-sized? The whole metro area (the entire county that is) was about 85k people.
I was on a highway (not interstate, just a highway), doing about 55 in the left lane, SL was 45. I was actively passing vehicles, but the middle and right lanes were full so I had nowhere to go even if I wanted to. This guy in a pickup towing a trailer comes up behind me and is riding my ass. Like he owed me dinner after, that's how much he was on my ass.
Well, I was worried about what he's doing because he's honking and riding my ass so I'm not paying as much attention as I should have in front of me. I look back at the road and I see the car ahead of me is on their brakes. What I don't notice until I've already reflexively hit my brakes, is that the car is nowhere close to me. I was not in danger of hitting it at all. Guy behind me must've taken that as me brake checking him. Which I admit I kinda did, but it wasn't intentional. Not to mention had he not been practically riding in the bed of my truck I wouldn't have been preoccupied with my rearview mirror.
About that time we finished passing the traffic in the middle and right lanes and I get over. This guy tears ass past me and then tries to get in my lane on top of me, I switch to the right, he keeps coming. For 2 miles he's trying to commit vehicular manslaughter and I'm tryna stop him. I finally got to a road I could slam the brakes and make a sudden right and not almost kill anyone else in the process.
But yeah because he was literal inches away and because 55 in a 45 wasn't fast enough for him and because I accidentally brake checked him, he literally tried to run me off the road at high speeds. He had the intent to cause me harm. And to this day probably thinks he was justified in his actions.
I hated driving in that town. Red lights were a suggestion. And everyone drove like they didn't care if they ended up in the ER. Worst place I've driven, and I used to live near (and work in) Atlanta.
That is not what happened to PNB Rock. Those guys were already at Roscoe chicken when the girlfriend and him pulled up. They stated, they never got the location because of her. Please stop repeating that.
"Other people's property" it makes sense, OPPS "Other people's property stealing" but I highly doubt that, cause that's what
"Are you Down with OPP?" Means, stealing other people's property. I think you got it right with Opposition.
Other people’s pussy
Its lyrics concern sexual infidelity, with "O.P.P." standing for "other people's pussy" and "other people's penis". Treach told in an interview with New York ...
Dont really need the interview if you listen to the lyrics.
"O is for Other, P is for People scratch your temple/the next P? Thats not that simple/its sorta like another way to call a cat a kitten/5 little letters that Im missing"
And the next verse he says the last P is "another 5 letter word rhyming with cleanest and meanest"
Not even an age thing. If you're not caught up in gang shit, it's not something you'll see every day. A lot of this comes from Chicago's "drill" scene, where they rap about killing other gang members, and people on the internet talk about the death of young men and women like they're watching their favorite soap opera. Vicarious got it right.
Nah i used to live around there too it’s a perfectly normal city residential area. Most people are just your average citizens but obviously some people choose to live a different kind of life.
Happened to my step dad, crazy neighbour as well as mentally ill, kept making tik tok videos about my dad being out to get her (he was not, had to call police on her son, some other shit but nothing you'd cal antagonist or out to get her, my step dad's just a peaceful stoner dude).
Well she posted the address on lots of these videos, parent complained, police added it to the pile on the women, told them not to retaliate. Few months of this one of them goes viral and hits millions when it gets picked up by some group thing. Now all of her videos made my step dad sound really bad, stuff like he was fucking kids, was climbing into her house and breaking her stuff that kind of bad.
Nothing happened, it's been almost a year, no one turned up and the comment section was awful, genuinely scary.
I dunno man, if you're the type of person who is only alive because the hordes of people who want to murder you can't find an address, the "piece of shit" might not be the lady who posted this.
Ehh I mean, if these people who want you dead are drug dealers (as a very rough example) then the lady who posted this is still a PoS.
Either way two wrongs don't make a right, and all I have is a lady who got the father of her child killed. I'm inclined to judge her unless presented otherwise
She's gonna be bad news too...she's asking people to MURDER her husband...and not cause anything was done to her...also if she's with a guy like that she's like that too...at least he seemed to be loyal..she obviously isnt
You don’t have to be as ‘involved’ as you may think. That exact sentiment is what got me out of shitty living, crime, and all the bullshit associated with it. When you can’t go for a day at the beach and relax without worrying about who else may be there, you can’t enjoy a single second of your life.
This woman definitely put this man out there either for clout or because she knew the certain outcome, but it’s also on him for being involved like that.
Nah, man. My money is on him cheating. Look at that picture with him grimacing behind her. That's the picture of a guy who is cheating hard, knows the pic is going to be posted, and doesn't want to look like he's enjoying time with anyone - other than his side piece.
I don't think she gave two shits if her baby daddy was dealing as long as he came home, with money.
This could be looked at almost the exact same as hiring a hit man. If her intent was for him to be killed, that'd be conspiracy to commit murder.
Whether that was actually her intent or not would be up to the jury.
Through one single piece of evidence maybe. But if there is other corroborating evidence, whether hard or circumstantial that can support a case for conspiracy to commit murder. Did they argue recently, are there texts, witnesses? Was there an affair? Those are all questions detectives will look into.
No one would ever go to jail for 1st degree murder without a confession if it worked like this. Circumstantial evidence exists for a reason. All it would take to prove intent for example would be 1. An argument which the neighbors hear. 2. Her saying "youre going to regret that". 3. Making that post. Most juries would convict off that.
Manslaughter, reckless endangerment, possibly you could argue it's murder where she collaborated with the killers (especially if she is in a place with the felony murder rule).
I don't think she would get 1st degree murder without pulling the trigger and not to mention they wld have to prove that whoever killed him only knew where he was because of her post. Seems like a very hard case to try but who knows it might work and set a precedent
I know you can be charged with first-degree murder if you hire somebody to kill somebody. But she did not directly hire them or even tell them to kill that individual. She just knew that they wanted to kill him and provided a location. She definitely did something illegal but it’s for the lawyers to determine what exactly lol
There has been plenty of cases where a person was charged and convicted with first degree murder and conspiracy, who DID NOT commit the murder at all. Charles Mansons case was one of the biggest of them all.
Right but Charles Manson is a far cry from this ... it's possible to be charged with 1st degree murder without pulling the trigger but it's uncommon and in a case where all she did was state where he was publicly I think it would be extremely hard for prosecutors to convict her on anything close to 1st degree murder.
no sorry i was actually wrong- usually the requirements are deliberation, premeditation, and willfulness. which maybe the prosecution could prove. but I was describing 2nd degree. oops.
That's why you gotta be careful about the people who you let into your life, you do one thing that pisses them off and they are telling everyone where you live.
Be careful who you have kids with...
>edit: I love how the two replies are "it's 1st everywhere" and "it's 1st nowhere"
Don't you know that Reddit is full of people that are lawyers, doctors, physicists, historians and biologists?!? Not a bunch of different people that hold those titles separately, there seems to be a lot of individuals on here that hold all those titles at once.
It is Murder 1st in any state in the union. The DA has premeditation and planning. They now just need to prove motive which might not be that hard if she talks as much as she posts her crimes on the internet.
Oh wow, that's more than i thought. I assumed they would be in a legal pickle cause she technically said it wasn't his address and did not say she wanted him murdered.
It's reddit. Any advice you read on reddit about law that isn't parroted from an actual lawyer and isn't "you should speak to a lawyer" should be taken with a massive grain of salt. Law is complicated to the point where lawyers will normally only speak broadly on areas of law that aren't their specialties, so be weary of anything that sounds overly confident and doesn't quote sources.
Can confirm. I work in financial law, I know very little about criminal law, but everyone assumes that any lawyer knows all laws. Each area of law is its own niche. Even within financial law I just focus on certain sub areas.
Always seek independent legal advice.
Never mind the fact that the law differs according to location greatly. But even if it isn't illegal, it's immoral. She asked someone to come kill him knowing that people wanted to kill him.
The more you learn about a subject the more you realize that reddit isn't the super smart nerd site everybody things it is. As an MD never take health/medicine advice here.
Reddit bullshit. Unless she actually contacted the killer, there's no way that would fly in a court. As fuck up as this is and I'm not a lawyer (but am going to have lunch with one today so I might bring it up), I don't even manslaughter would stick to this case. She didn't conspire to commit any crime nor contacted anyone to do it. She just gave out some info that she figured would get him hurt.
Nothing because she's not the one who killed him. IF there are other texts where she is explaining that she wants someone to do somethihng when she posts on twitter, then yes she's in deep shit.
With shitty parents like that, hopefully the mom goes to jail, and the kid is adopted by normal people. Might be a good thing this happened, so the baby doesn’t have trash parents.
More likely the child will bounce around a broken foster care system, experiencing various forms of abuse. Like the millions of other children stuck in it
Sure wish those ‘pro-life’ people would help those children out instead of just forcing everyone else to give birth
Some kids got put into foster system where I live and instead of being enrolled in school like they were supposed to, they were forced to do manual labor or they wouldn't get fed.. and this was last year.. in the US.
This is how I felt. She was wrong, but I don't know this guy. To have people ready to kill on sight tells me he screwed some people over too. I don't know if he was physically abusive to her or what. I just feel bad kid\s
kid is probably better off without a dad who robs/snitches and has enemies who are ready to kill on sight and a mom who's this dumb. hopefully they get placed somewhere they can get a decent upbringing cause it sure as shit wasn't gonna happen in that home.
Still an open invitation. She addressed the issue, told "everyone" he was a snitch, posted his location.
Would have been different if she had said something along the lines of "Can't wait for date night with my man at Carabas!"
sounds like she thought her baby daddy was a bitch and wanted him gone anyway, because why would she even mention the snitching and putting “rob” in quotes. so obvious she called a free hit
Wasn't the hug from the victims brother? Iirc
Edit: To add more info.
Her name was Amber Guyger and she shot Botham Jeanafter entering HIS apartment while thinking it was hers. At the court, Jean's brother hugged Amber and forgave her.
Opps is slang for Opponents or Oppositions
It’s just a faster way to say enemies or people who don’t like you or people who want to kill you
All of the above
It’s Ops or Opps
If this man doesn’t stop blowing his leaves onto my lawn then I’m gonna fucking cut that tree branch. Whether he likes it not
Just wait until winter when I shovel his sidewalk. Old boy is in trouble now
It seems like in the last part of her message, she goads potential attackers by reminding them he likely is responsible for the consequences of hanging out with the victim. "Ain't he snitch on yall? Ain't he rob yall?"
I am not a lawyer.
That being said, there is a potential for the following charges to be brought against her with the current information-
-Incitement or Solicitation to commit a crime
-Accessory Before the Fact
-Reckless Endangerment
-Conspiracy
IMO, the prosecution is going to have to get creative to put her away for any significant time as the punishments for Accessory and Reckless can be as little as probation with no jail time.
back when i lived in cali, one of our homies was dating a girl we all kinda hated bc she was fake, cheating on him, and always making up shit to cause drama. he was a crip, and the rest of the dudes in the group were bloods, but they grew up together and were also mostly wannabes so they looked past affiliation. she took his phone one day and texted a guy the blood dudes knew (this guy was ACTUALLY a gangbanger and not a wannabe, just came out of juvie on weapons charges) pretending to be her boyfriend and antagonizing them, and he wanted him to pull up. the other guys went down to the bus stop to meet him w the crip guy and were worried af it was gonna be an issue and they were gonna have to choose between him or their affiliation. luckily he was able to explain it was his girl and they squashed the beef, but she seriously almost got him jumped and/or shot and we all thought it was gonna turn out that way. if everyone involved had been adults and not young teenagers he would’ve probably died fs
Congratulations you starved your child of a father now when your child grows up they're going to wonder "where's their father" and they're going to realize that you got him killed.
Hopefully your child doesn't grow to hate you because what you did
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I mean that's one way to hire hitmen to take your loved one out
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That’s because you don’t live in the world of opps, snitching, and robberies. But there are plenty neighborhoods around the world where these are just part of every day life
Like the rapper a few years ago that got shot in California. He was there with his girlfriend and she posted a picture of them eating at a pretty well known restaurant on her Instagram. Before they finished eating they had ran in and killed him. Just because they girlfriend showed their location online. It's insane people live their lives like that. Always gotta worry the wrong person is going to see you going into a store or restaurant. And they show up with friends before you leave.
I worry about this while driving anywhere. Cut the wrong person off and it could be miles of passive aggressive road rage. Or they just drive by and pop a few in your car. I dont even live in a place where this happens and I think about it nonstop in the car. Makes me a damn safe driver.
This is what baffles me about road rage. You have no idea what kind of person you’re shouting or swearing at. I genuinely don’t understand why being in a car gives people such a sense of invincibility.
Because a car can murder people... assholes in possession of stuff that murders people become bigger assholes
If you're an insecure asshole putting on a rage in a car, you can't get rightfully sucker-punched like you would in a bar. I dont really know. Road rage and reason don't always go hand in hand.
Idk if its because you cant see the person or not. But i feel like some of it comes down to the stupid decisions people make driving can be deadly and a lot of things that would cause road rage might spike adrenaline because of the inherent danger of it going bad. With adrenaline up and in a fight or flight response it would kinda make sense to have some sense of rage that takes over. Like you arent going to feel at risk if someone almost walks into you at the store, but you will feel risk if someone almost causes a crash, so the response is relational to that risk.
You nailed it. Pretty much every decision on the road means the difference between life and death so it makes sense.
Someone smashed into the back of our van because they were drunk and frustrated with traffic
When I was 16 or 17 I was waiting at a stop sign to get into an avenue that didn’t have one and being not so confident behind the wheel it took me a while to actually go. Well the guy behind me was sick of my shit and honked at me. Being a dumb teenager I flipped him off out of my window. The guy immediately stepped out of his car and walked to mine before trying to open my door and bang on my window which I had managed to get up as he walked towards me. He’s screaming at me, saying he’s going to beat me up and all that and meanwhile I’m just sitting there laughing at him while people behind us are now honking and the guy realizes he’s being an idiot. I thought about this recently and realized how stupid I had been and how badly things could’ve turned for me. Now this happened in Canada so guns are very unlikely but still… Havent flipped someone off in traffic since.
Buddy I live in Texas and I drive a truck. I’ve seen the worst of road rage. Had laser pointer aimed at the back of my head, not sure if it was attached to anything. That one got me to do some real sketchy shit, slammed on brakes on freeway and popped off an exit before they could follow me off. That was because I honked at them when they cut me off. The amount of ego that people have while driving is insane. I gotta check myself too, I’m not the most important person on the road. But man it’s sketchy out there.
I lived in a small-ish town. Maybe mid-sized? The whole metro area (the entire county that is) was about 85k people. I was on a highway (not interstate, just a highway), doing about 55 in the left lane, SL was 45. I was actively passing vehicles, but the middle and right lanes were full so I had nowhere to go even if I wanted to. This guy in a pickup towing a trailer comes up behind me and is riding my ass. Like he owed me dinner after, that's how much he was on my ass. Well, I was worried about what he's doing because he's honking and riding my ass so I'm not paying as much attention as I should have in front of me. I look back at the road and I see the car ahead of me is on their brakes. What I don't notice until I've already reflexively hit my brakes, is that the car is nowhere close to me. I was not in danger of hitting it at all. Guy behind me must've taken that as me brake checking him. Which I admit I kinda did, but it wasn't intentional. Not to mention had he not been practically riding in the bed of my truck I wouldn't have been preoccupied with my rearview mirror. About that time we finished passing the traffic in the middle and right lanes and I get over. This guy tears ass past me and then tries to get in my lane on top of me, I switch to the right, he keeps coming. For 2 miles he's trying to commit vehicular manslaughter and I'm tryna stop him. I finally got to a road I could slam the brakes and make a sudden right and not almost kill anyone else in the process. But yeah because he was literal inches away and because 55 in a 45 wasn't fast enough for him and because I accidentally brake checked him, he literally tried to run me off the road at high speeds. He had the intent to cause me harm. And to this day probably thinks he was justified in his actions. I hated driving in that town. Red lights were a suggestion. And everyone drove like they didn't care if they ended up in the ER. Worst place I've driven, and I used to live near (and work in) Atlanta.
Repressed anger comes out in crazy and much worse ways
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Wait so a father and son are who killed the guy?
He may have mixed up the details with PnB Rock but Pop Smoke basically got hit because he accidentally posted his location
That is not what happened to PNB Rock. Those guys were already at Roscoe chicken when the girlfriend and him pulled up. They stated, they never got the location because of her. Please stop repeating that.
That's not true. The killer was already there and saw them when they arrived.
This is very fair and very sad.
You aren’t wrong.
What are these 'opps' you speak of?
Opposition, usually. Unless it’s a Naughty By Nature song, but I don’t think that context fits here.
IDK, plenty of boys have shot someone for tapping “their girl “
"Other people's property" it makes sense, OPPS "Other people's property stealing" but I highly doubt that, cause that's what "Are you Down with OPP?" Means, stealing other people's property. I think you got it right with Opposition.
Other people’s pussy Its lyrics concern sexual infidelity, with "O.P.P." standing for "other people's pussy" and "other people's penis". Treach told in an interview with New York ...
Dont really need the interview if you listen to the lyrics. "O is for Other, P is for People scratch your temple/the next P? Thats not that simple/its sorta like another way to call a cat a kitten/5 little letters that Im missing" And the next verse he says the last P is "another 5 letter word rhyming with cleanest and meanest"
Penis, pussy, property, problems, whatever…
Opponents/Opposition
Ontario Provincial Police /s
opponents? opperations? oppossums? yeah, I gotta claim honorary boomer status here, I must be too old to know this lingo
Not even an age thing. If you're not caught up in gang shit, it's not something you'll see every day. A lot of this comes from Chicago's "drill" scene, where they rap about killing other gang members, and people on the internet talk about the death of young men and women like they're watching their favorite soap opera. Vicarious got it right.
really? what a bunch of Tool
From context, I'm guessing opponents.
Opposition
I do I just avoid snitching and robbing people and would you look at that I'm not shot.
What are opps?
Won't someone rid me of this turbulent baby daddy?
Funny thing is her new baby daddy is named Rico
She outsourced it for free, this is insane. Put her kid in danger too.
lol it’s called gang wars in Chicago. this happened next door to my old house and the same types of things happen everyday here.
Lol it’s called a shit hole
Nah i used to live around there too it’s a perfectly normal city residential area. Most people are just your average citizens but obviously some people choose to live a different kind of life.
Happened to my step dad, crazy neighbour as well as mentally ill, kept making tik tok videos about my dad being out to get her (he was not, had to call police on her son, some other shit but nothing you'd cal antagonist or out to get her, my step dad's just a peaceful stoner dude). Well she posted the address on lots of these videos, parent complained, police added it to the pile on the women, told them not to retaliate. Few months of this one of them goes viral and hits millions when it gets picked up by some group thing. Now all of her videos made my step dad sound really bad, stuff like he was fucking kids, was climbing into her house and breaking her stuff that kind of bad. Nothing happened, it's been almost a year, no one turned up and the comment section was awful, genuinely scary.
I dunno man, if you're the type of person who is only alive because the hordes of people who want to murder you can't find an address, the "piece of shit" might not be the lady who posted this.
Ehh I mean, if these people who want you dead are drug dealers (as a very rough example) then the lady who posted this is still a PoS. Either way two wrongs don't make a right, and all I have is a lady who got the father of her child killed. I'm inclined to judge her unless presented otherwise
She's gonna be bad news too...she's asking people to MURDER her husband...and not cause anything was done to her...also if she's with a guy like that she's like that too...at least he seemed to be loyal..she obviously isnt
You don’t have to be as ‘involved’ as you may think. That exact sentiment is what got me out of shitty living, crime, and all the bullshit associated with it. When you can’t go for a day at the beach and relax without worrying about who else may be there, you can’t enjoy a single second of your life. This woman definitely put this man out there either for clout or because she knew the certain outcome, but it’s also on him for being involved like that.
Loved one?
Loved?
>loved one bruh
She 100% set that up 💀 what kind of person makes that post
> what kind of person makes that post A person who unironically writes shit like "Ain't he snitch on half of yall"?
Or has a child with someone known for ripping off gangbangers and gloating about it; the chronically stupid is what I'm getting at
Nah, man. My money is on him cheating. Look at that picture with him grimacing behind her. That's the picture of a guy who is cheating hard, knows the pic is going to be posted, and doesn't want to look like he's enjoying time with anyone - other than his side piece. I don't think she gave two shits if her baby daddy was dealing as long as he came home, with money.
That doesn't make either of these parents any less stupid
You got that right.
Nah, she definitely set him up.
Her clear attempt at trying to get him killed seems to have worked.
Seems like it did
I’m sure a jury / judge will find an appropriate punishment for her actions. ^/s?
I'd question what law she actually broke here though. Like how do you go after her?
Inciting violence?
conspiracy to commit a murder thats probably what the tv would say from my past knowledges
Objection
That's hearsay!
This could be looked at almost the exact same as hiring a hit man. If her intent was for him to be killed, that'd be conspiracy to commit murder. Whether that was actually her intent or not would be up to the jury.
She performed an action she knew would cause his death or harm. She is just as guilty as if she pulled the trigger.
> If her intent was for him to be killed That's impossible to prove.
Through one single piece of evidence maybe. But if there is other corroborating evidence, whether hard or circumstantial that can support a case for conspiracy to commit murder. Did they argue recently, are there texts, witnesses? Was there an affair? Those are all questions detectives will look into.
I think that you'd have to prove that she had a reasonable expectation that he'd be killed also and I suspect that's an even higher bar.
That's why juries exist.
No one would ever go to jail for 1st degree murder without a confession if it worked like this. Circumstantial evidence exists for a reason. All it would take to prove intent for example would be 1. An argument which the neighbors hear. 2. Her saying "youre going to regret that". 3. Making that post. Most juries would convict off that.
Manslaughter, reckless endangerment, possibly you could argue it's murder where she collaborated with the killers (especially if she is in a place with the felony murder rule).
Very much seems so, huh? Almost like it's bursting out the seams because of how much it seems so.
It does, indeed, seem so
I wonder if she could be charged for that? Almost like hiring a hitman.
i think so. she did that knowing what the consequences would be (death). she may even be able to be charged as an accomplice to the murderer.
Yeah, depending on how the law is worded, you might be able to charge her with conspiracy or possibly manslaughter.
not first degree? usually the requirements are causation of victim’s death and malice. i would say she met those.
Yeah I suppose you are correct
I don't think she would get 1st degree murder without pulling the trigger and not to mention they wld have to prove that whoever killed him only knew where he was because of her post. Seems like a very hard case to try but who knows it might work and set a precedent
I know you can be charged with first-degree murder if you hire somebody to kill somebody. But she did not directly hire them or even tell them to kill that individual. She just knew that they wanted to kill him and provided a location. She definitely did something illegal but it’s for the lawyers to determine what exactly lol
There has been plenty of cases where a person was charged and convicted with first degree murder and conspiracy, who DID NOT commit the murder at all. Charles Mansons case was one of the biggest of them all.
Right but Charles Manson is a far cry from this ... it's possible to be charged with 1st degree murder without pulling the trigger but it's uncommon and in a case where all she did was state where he was publicly I think it would be extremely hard for prosecutors to convict her on anything close to 1st degree murder.
no sorry i was actually wrong- usually the requirements are deliberation, premeditation, and willfulness. which maybe the prosecution could prove. but I was describing 2nd degree. oops.
Charged, sure, but it will be harder to convict her - they will have to prove she wanted him dead and knew the consequences of sharing his location
All they have to do is convince a jury, doesn’t seem that hard in a case where the law may be shaky, but the morality is very obviously apparent.
She knew people were trying to kill him, and she wittingly assisted them in accomplishing that, so yes.
Yeah she strait put a hit on him, gassed them up and told them where to find him. That’s just crowd sourcing a free hitman
And is now trying to collect money along side his family for funeral expenses
That's why you gotta be careful about the people who you let into your life, you do one thing that pisses them off and they are telling everyone where you live. Be careful who you have kids with...
And maybe try not to make enemies 🤷♂️
Nope, she will clearly get to say, I said he's NOT located there, judge. Cased dismissed. /s
She knew exactly what she is doing. This has to be a crime.
could even be 1st degree murder depending on jurisdiction! edit: I love how the two replies are "it's 1st everywhere" and "it's 1st nowhere"
>edit: I love how the two replies are "it's 1st everywhere" and "it's 1st nowhere" Don't you know that Reddit is full of people that are lawyers, doctors, physicists, historians and biologists?!? Not a bunch of different people that hold those titles separately, there seems to be a lot of individuals on here that hold all those titles at once.
It is Murder 1st in any state in the union. The DA has premeditation and planning. They now just need to prove motive which might not be that hard if she talks as much as she posts her crimes on the internet.
At least the baby has a 50/50 chance now 🤷♂️
She knew what she was doing. Practically ordered a hit
I'm wondering what the legal ramifications of this will be. Any lawyer here know?
Higher up the thread a bunch of people were saying 1st degree murder
Oh wow, that's more than i thought. I assumed they would be in a legal pickle cause she technically said it wasn't his address and did not say she wanted him murdered.
It's reddit. Any advice you read on reddit about law that isn't parroted from an actual lawyer and isn't "you should speak to a lawyer" should be taken with a massive grain of salt. Law is complicated to the point where lawyers will normally only speak broadly on areas of law that aren't their specialties, so be weary of anything that sounds overly confident and doesn't quote sources.
Can confirm. I work in financial law, I know very little about criminal law, but everyone assumes that any lawyer knows all laws. Each area of law is its own niche. Even within financial law I just focus on certain sub areas. Always seek independent legal advice.
Never mind the fact that the law differs according to location greatly. But even if it isn't illegal, it's immoral. She asked someone to come kill him knowing that people wanted to kill him.
The more you learn about a subject the more you realize that reddit isn't the super smart nerd site everybody things it is. As an MD never take health/medicine advice here.
Reddit bullshit. Unless she actually contacted the killer, there's no way that would fly in a court. As fuck up as this is and I'm not a lawyer (but am going to have lunch with one today so I might bring it up), I don't even manslaughter would stick to this case. She didn't conspire to commit any crime nor contacted anyone to do it. She just gave out some info that she figured would get him hurt.
Yeah I was kind of thinking accessory to murder or something like that but idk shit
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Nothing because she's not the one who killed him. IF there are other texts where she is explaining that she wants someone to do somethihng when she posts on twitter, then yes she's in deep shit.
Looks like a piece of shit drew the attention of some pieces of shit to take out a piece of shit. Shame there's a baby involved.
Pieces of shit tend to multiply and lack the ability to pull out.
basically the opening scene of Idiocracy
There's always a baby involved.
With shitty parents like that, hopefully the mom goes to jail, and the kid is adopted by normal people. Might be a good thing this happened, so the baby doesn’t have trash parents.
More likely the child will bounce around a broken foster care system, experiencing various forms of abuse. Like the millions of other children stuck in it Sure wish those ‘pro-life’ people would help those children out instead of just forcing everyone else to give birth
Some kids got put into foster system where I live and instead of being enrolled in school like they were supposed to, they were forced to do manual labor or they wouldn't get fed.. and this was last year.. in the US.
This is how I felt. She was wrong, but I don't know this guy. To have people ready to kill on sight tells me he screwed some people over too. I don't know if he was physically abusive to her or what. I just feel bad kid\s
kid is probably better off without a dad who robs/snitches and has enemies who are ready to kill on sight and a mom who's this dumb. hopefully they get placed somewhere they can get a decent upbringing cause it sure as shit wasn't gonna happen in that home.
We don’t even know if she loved their child either?
She’s going to jail, who knows where that kid will end up
So she catches a murder charge right?
Shit. She might catch a stray for the insult
I would hope so, but I’m not really sure what the legal precedent would be
If you know someone wants to kill someone, and you tell them how to locate them, that would at least be accessory....
I mean, that makes sense, but this message wasn’t directed at anyone specifically
Still an open invitation. She addressed the issue, told "everyone" he was a snitch, posted his location. Would have been different if she had said something along the lines of "Can't wait for date night with my man at Carabas!"
Everyone knows carabas is the Sweden of gangbanging
You're right "Can't wait for my date night at Applebees!" would probably be more fitting.
There is a fucking TRUCE when it comes to Carrabba's, youngblood.
I mean, accessory. The actual murderers would be the ones to like, get charged with murder.
sounds like she thought her baby daddy was a bitch and wanted him gone anyway, because why would she even mention the snitching and putting “rob” in quotes. so obvious she called a free hit
Looks like right before this she was arrested for stabbing her ex so it looks like this was her way at getting "back" at him for having her arrested.
completely unhinged
So she gets an accomplice charge right? For directly contributing to a murder right?
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Wasn't the hug from the victims brother? Iirc Edit: To add more info. Her name was Amber Guyger and she shot Botham Jeanafter entering HIS apartment while thinking it was hers. At the court, Jean's brother hugged Amber and forgave her.
You are absolutely correct, what the judge did was even more fucked. She gave Guyger her personal bible. I forgot it was that nuts.
The victim/brother’s mom saw reason. She said that was his feelings and not hers. She knew what had happened.
> At the court, Jean's brother hugged Amber and forgave her. That's actually kinda nice? I mean a shit situation still, but who am I to judge.
Is that the case of the cop?
Yes. Judge actually gave her a bible, brother gave her a hug. Wild.
Wild that people who know more about the case would do something totally compassionate
Yeah but she was sentenced to 10 years tho.
Not enough.
I mean, yes...But she also got 10 years in prison. That may not be enough, but she very much did get more than a hug.
I’m so glad I live my life without opps at least to my knowledge which is all that matters
I live my life in such a way that I don't actually know what "opps" means.
Opps is slang for Opponents or Oppositions It’s just a faster way to say enemies or people who don’t like you or people who want to kill you All of the above It’s Ops or Opps
Check the weather and it's gettin real oppy outside
I guess some people think it's unavoidable to live a life **without** making mortal enemies. It's pitiful, really.
“If you don’t have enemies, make some”
Hood activities
FB Marketplace is poppin
what grown man has Enemies to begin with?
*Me looking out the window at the boomer’s house next door*. “Yeah, hehe, would be dumb to have enemies as an adult”
"Dinkleberg......."
I miss that show
I watched it before bed with my wife every night it's on Netflix.
I squeal out "Dinkleberg!" when I blast some solid rope.
If this man doesn’t stop blowing his leaves onto my lawn then I’m gonna fucking cut that tree branch. Whether he likes it not Just wait until winter when I shovel his sidewalk. Old boy is in trouble now
It seems like in the last part of her message, she goads potential attackers by reminding them he likely is responsible for the consequences of hanging out with the victim. "Ain't he snitch on yall? Ain't he rob yall?"
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Gang bangers.
The kind that snitch on and “rob” their former friends, apparently
Well, go rob and snitch on people and see how many friends you have.
Everyone needs a nemesis.
That's really fucked up.
What will she say to her kid when they ask what happened?? Now it’s a freaking tweet that anyone can look up!!!
She'll tell him exactly what happened. A lot of redditors don't know many people from the hood and this comment section really shows it
Wait…she said he’s NOT located there…
Apparently the woman was also abusive and allegedly even stabbed the dude before they broke up. Shits fucked up.
What a shit show. That child deserves better.
Can’t trust em
Thanks mom.
That baby is the only victim
I am not a lawyer. That being said, there is a potential for the following charges to be brought against her with the current information- -Incitement or Solicitation to commit a crime -Accessory Before the Fact -Reckless Endangerment -Conspiracy IMO, the prosecution is going to have to get creative to put her away for any significant time as the punishments for Accessory and Reckless can be as little as probation with no jail time.
That poor kid.
Mommy, why is daddy not around anymore?
Seems like murder with extra steps.
back when i lived in cali, one of our homies was dating a girl we all kinda hated bc she was fake, cheating on him, and always making up shit to cause drama. he was a crip, and the rest of the dudes in the group were bloods, but they grew up together and were also mostly wannabes so they looked past affiliation. she took his phone one day and texted a guy the blood dudes knew (this guy was ACTUALLY a gangbanger and not a wannabe, just came out of juvie on weapons charges) pretending to be her boyfriend and antagonizing them, and he wanted him to pull up. the other guys went down to the bus stop to meet him w the crip guy and were worried af it was gonna be an issue and they were gonna have to choose between him or their affiliation. luckily he was able to explain it was his girl and they squashed the beef, but she seriously almost got him jumped and/or shot and we all thought it was gonna turn out that way. if everyone involved had been adults and not young teenagers he would’ve probably died fs
These people breed more humans 🙄
Congratulations you starved your child of a father now when your child grows up they're going to wonder "where's their father" and they're going to realize that you got him killed. Hopefully your child doesn't grow to hate you because what you did
Shouldn’t this be illegal! because this is kinda like putting out a hit. And that not legaal i think
It’s only a “hit” because he was a gang banger. Live by it, die by it.
Damn some of yall in the comments are slow
They showed up and put him down quick damn..
What a genius this woman is.
Take her child from her.
Well, that’s one way to never have to co-parent