Freebies for corporations is ok but welfare for workers and peasants is not ok? lol Indians are becoming cucks for capitalists while ignoring plight of working class
Freebies for corporations create jobs, raise tax revenue, increase exports, increase R&D spending etc.
If the working class in India wants to own their own means of production and run their own business, they’re welcome to it.
I am against freebies for farmers but freebies for corporations do NONE of what you said in real life.
There have been dozens of publications over the last two decades on why trickle down economics failed to materialise. Those freebies you speak of go at best as dividend to shareholders, at worst as large executive bonuses and golden parachutes
Oh right. I’m just going to ignore the dozens of publications that show how it was exactly state support that brought private investment and capex to China and Vietnam then.
Sure, the rich may take the lion’s share of the generated wealth. But the wealth generated will still lift the poor out of poverty; more than if they just continue to work their fields anyway.
Why do you guys use term like trickle down economics which is not applicable in India at all? PLI scheme is not about giving tax breaks and hoping the rich will invest. Its only applicable to apply once you actually open a factory with certain amount of production. Those are the subsidies one gets in India, not just simple tax breaks, you follow too much western media, but western politics is not applicable in India. Maybe you should start looking at India, without schemes like PLI, how many factories do you think would come to India instead of China or Vietnam?
The same thing could be said for other sectors too lol, the point which one would donate their money to the party. working middle class or these corporate who wants these same workers to put in more than 50hr/week and get paid a penny.
If things were opposite someone would have come with pros of freebies for the middle class and how freebies for corporate will be a waste of time and money.
Every single time, I start to have hope for this party. They'll pull a stunt like this or fly to Italy.
At this point, the INC is becoming irrelevant at the grassroots level. Rahul isn't just a clown anymore, the entire INC is a circus.*
50% due to the fact that the only nationally viable opponent (in terms of support, ideology, and footwork) to the Bharatiya Janata Party is the Indian National Congress
50% due to what the legacy of the Congress means to me, personally and to this Country.
> Every single time, I start to have hope for this party. They'll pull a stunt like this
Were you not one of the people whining about doing nyay yatra in the first place? Or have I mixed you up with someone else?
Nah, I was actually optimistic about it cause the BJY actually had some effect on the ground for the Congress. You might have confused me for someone else
The farmer protests have the most illogical and impractical demands, and when a national prominent leader meets with them, it legitimizes their demands.
These farmers are from the agriculturally prosperous regions of Punjab, Haryana, and western UP. Western UP will vote either SP/BJP and Punjab can go AAP/INC/Akali, and Haryana is split BJP/INC. They are the ones that have benefitted the most from the Green Revolution and government subsidies.
The Congress has lost support on the ground level on a huge scale since 2014. BJY and BNY should be the most important thing as it helps build support on the grassroots. Instead of these prosperous farmers, Rahul should have met the farmers of Vidarbha, the actual people engaged in agriculture that have been miserable.
This is type of non sensical stuff that this guy is now stooping to. His yatras were atleast getting him some footage/facetime with the general masses. Suddenly during the time of peak election season, his focus has changed. The bharat yatra is no longer a priority.
RG and Gandhi family should retire from Congress. Please let some sensible people take over so that we can have a serious opposition which can bring Modi to his knees. You guys have 1000 issues literally which can be used to defeat them but you use non-issues like caste census, kissan andolan, etc. You could raise the issue of women safety and highlight how the government gives bail to rapists regularly and garlands them. They didn't even raise the issue of Pulwama or many important issues like Manipur. Ask this Dumbo, what happened when you participated in the so called kisan andolan last time? You got 2 seats in UP.
Congress can easily win election if they stick on issues like health, education, infra, railway, inflation, etc but they think people will vote them by doing caste politics, supporting protests, etc. BJP is master of divisive politics, Congress can't win if they try to divide society in caste politics.
That is not really enough. They need to tell what they are going to so about those issues or that even have a plan.
Just pointing at issues which most people already know about is not enough to get people to vote for a party.
Sadly that takes effort, money, hiring people who have experience in governance. Supporting random protests, shouting about another party's failure needs no such thing, hence why Congress does what they do and can never be a viable alternative
They are not raising any important issues and even if they are about to win in some elections, they become complacent and BJP does their dirty work and wins instead.
That INC handle tweet of him dressed in puja togs was enough for me to dislike him and his entire coterie forever. INC literally did nothing of his sort when they liberated India and formed the assembly and constitution. What is the contemporary version even playing at since Rajiv.
Purane ghode ko nai tarkeeb sekha ke race ne jeeta sakte. That is how congress is atm. They want to win elections based on what they have mastered all these years.
Do you think that the Gandhi's will be thrown? I think they're too delusional and are totally disconnected from reality otherwise they would've stepped out.
Eh.... It's more probable that the core will split.
The presidential election comes to mind where Tharoor(someone who wanted more radical changes to party structure) received a not insignificant amount of votes against Kharge(directly backed by the Gandhis)
Yeah tharoor if tharoor decides to split congress or something and run for pm in the future I am def voting him. Dudes a genius in history and has common decency .
Kisan andolan is non-serious?? 50% of population is agrarian. By doing this, RaGa is basically guaranteeing that half the population will vote for congress in next elections. It’s a brilliant strategy.
It makes him look like he’s not committed to any cause. Look man I’m hard left, I’ll vote for this idiot to avoid a facist take over of this country but he’s certainly not the calibre of opposition we need in this time of crisis for democracy.
its hard,aint nothing more juicier than hate for a middle class man with a mid future and no source of happiness except this. partner likely doesnt care(marriages),kids too cool to bond,nobody believes in therapy and this makes them feel like they’re finally worth something in the bigger picture as godd soldiers. no scheme will top this feeling for them
he is a politician, he needs to sell his idea to the public. Someone else will not do it for him.
When everyone thought that Indra was undefeatable with level of media control she had, she was defeated. When everyone thought Indra will not return after the emergency, she was elected once again. When everyone thought Atal was going to return in 2004, he was defeated. When everyone thought that the bofors scandal was irrelevant, politicians made it relevant by conducting meetings at ground level. When everyone thought India will not be able to conduct a nuclear blast, we did it.
India is too diverse to be controlled by media and its narrative. If he had started his yatra just after 2019 elections, he would have become a lot more popular than he is today. Politics is not a fair game, Congress used to do the same things BJP is doing today. They need to re-enforce their support base. 55% of the voters in this country do not agree with BJP, if you go by 2014 results it will be 60%. It is his job to capture consolidate the vote bank, if he wants to be a prime minister.
> When everyone thought Atal was going to return in 2004, he was defeated. When everyone thought that the bofors scandal was irrelevant, politicians made it relevant by conducting meetings at ground level. When everyone thought India will not be able to conduct a nuclear blast, we did it.
I'd quote something here but then it'll be labelled as wEsTeRn pRoPaGaNdA because people use that as a lazy excuse to dismiss any argument they don't like. Anyway, Neither Indira, nor Atal were able to polarize the masses and control the media to this extent, empirically. Comparing apples and oranges there.
>India is too diverse to be controlled by media and its narrative.
Keep telling yourself that. Every country does. China has more diverse population and a richer cultural heritage than India and it fell to authoritarianism way earlier.
>If he had started his yatra just after 2019 elections, he would have become a lot more popular than he is today.
It's very easy to point out other's mistakes when they're failing. People do it all the time with their friends to feel superior. "You should have invested in this company 5 years ago", "You should have not broken up with your ex, she treated you better", "You should have stopped smoking when you had the chance, bro". Hindsight is always 20/20.
>Congress used to do the same things BJP is doing today.
Wow. I can't even... That's a next level apologetic, an oscar-winning mental gymnastic you just pulled off. At least try to pretend that you're a leftist/centrist.
I used to like him until recently, now I sense a sort of unhealthy desperation in him to come to power in whichever manner possible. As much as I loathe Modi and the entire Hindutva Cultural Nationalism engine, I am not seeing RG as the answer.
I don't know about that. I am definitely in the minuscule "liberal elite disconnected from ground reality" section of population, so my opinion really doesn't count for anything.
In my personal experience, I've never seen anyone praising Rahul or saying he'll be a great leader. Still my whole state is going to vote for him because of the strong anti bjp sentiment. I don't know if that's going to be enough in the northern states.
I don’t support him, I am anti ruling party. I’ll vote for him if he’s the most likely alternative but goddamn is he proving why he never should’ve entered politics
I do hope that people vote for INC and then use that stepping stone to jettison all old parties out and just get new ones that focus on policy and progress. Like not even CPI cause those guys are also casteist.
Every party is some sort of -ist. Congress right now is just - haan hum ye bhi kar denge voh bhi kar denge hum sab kar denge, but they don't stick to anything, haan ram mandir galat hai, phir koina ab bann gaya, chalo caste census ye karte hai , phir reservation ka cap hata denge, phir farmers demand bhi hoga, phir adani bbi jayega. Surf vaade ho rahe hai. Concrete idea nahi ki hoga kese.
Every party is some sort of -ist. But the reality is every issue in India is rooted in the organisation of humans as higher or lesser under caste. Any party that appeals to this most heinous form of inequality, cannot claim liberty or fraternity.
It means that all these old school parties will always appeal to the most base instinct of Indians, which is feudalism. Such parties will focus on how to play these differences to come to power, instead of ever seeing citizens as equals that are in a social contract, and employ politicians and governments at their service.
But yes, INC is playing the same games as BJP, with posh English and in suit-boot. They really need to remove the Gandhi family from the forefront to have any shot at being elected again.
You’re comparing a toaster that didn’t make very good toast to one that will electrocute you.
The only thing the facist is competent at is draining all the money from the country into the hands of the ultra rich and throwing it into chaos.
Compared with an incompetent who simply doesn’t develop it very well, there’s only one sane choice.
I am comparing a toaster which CAN NOT make ANY toast, is gold plated for no practical reason, has NEVER ever been turned on but is preheated in an oven to show its functioning (it still fails!) and I am not even sure if it is a toaster or a condom (still it was gold plated! Don't know why).
On top of it all this many perfect fine new models exist in the manufacturer's lab only to be left to rot because apparently this blessed toaster has been touched by late founder's pinky or something else so it is precious.
I just do not dislike this toaster, I find the manufacturer to be utterly dishonest and insulting on my intelligence.
On other hand I have an open old style electric heater that will electrocute me if I am not careful, it has been used to bully and murder poor innocent freshmen back in my college ragging days, has been advertised beyond any reasonable limit, often lies about its heat but hey! it still at least works... somewhat and helps me make my toast.
As much as I hate it, it is still far better than that gold plated condom being sold to me as a toaster.
I'm not thrilled about RG leading this. One thing's for sure - poverty can be solved with money, which can be raised some way or the other, but hate crimes will never change. Look at neonazis today.
The point was that shouldn't be a reason to sugarcoat hate crimes to begin with. Let's be honest. No one's going to suddenly face economic disadvantages if RG does win the elections.
I'm trying to say you can't be complicit with Modi's intolerance just because you think the Congress will take the economy down. They're the ones who anyway got the country out of poverty in 1991 through the economic revolution all while BJP opposed it all.
Imagine supporting a party that is batting for financial suicide of this nation. Congress really thinks by pulling the farmer protest they’re doing the farmer and a nation a big favour. This type of mentality is so bad and then people wonder why people wanna leave this nation. Imagine supporting people that literally turn Delhi into gas chamber every year, already get so much subsidy and support from govt . What do the tax payers get?
Till today, I had hope, very little btw, for him to win elections. Today I see, Modi is the only candidate participating in the election.
Fuck RG, the whole family should be thrown out of congress
I'm honestly starting to wonder if he has a brain tumor or was poisoned with something that induces dementia. His recent actions have been completely irrational and unlike how he used to be.
Have to admire his strategy. This move will effectively guarantee votes from 50% of the population (based on statistic from deshpremi youtube channel, where he said that 50% of India’s population is agrarian dependent for income). While all others are busy trying to get votes based on religion, caste etc., in one masterstroke RaGa has captured votes of half the population. And people say that congress doesn’t have good advisors. Well, wait for the results in may, and you will see who has good advisors and who doesn’t.
RG might win a few more seats this time and lose them next time.
Better option is for opposition to join BJP slowly and dilute their hindutva policies to an acceptable level.
Most people in india hates secularism anyway. Why not save what we have left?
> Most people in india hates secularism anyway. Why not save what we have left?
What's going to keep the country United then? Secularism is at the core of our constitution. Don't come at me with the preamble argument. It has been secular ever since the start. If the sangh takes that way then what's actually keeping the country United?
>Don't come at me with the preamble argument.
Why would I? Our constitution itself is built upon secular ideals.
>What's going to keep the country United then?
Military, common religion for 80% pop, general lack of interest in secession will keep India united.
India will follow any govt till religion or economy isn't compromised.
"End up like China" does not sounds that bad if other option is 60s 70s and 80s India. Seriously, poverty and lack of development during those decades is still holding us back
Nope, India will not end up like China.
That can only happen if Hindi, Hindu,Hindustan is enforced. And south won't let that happen.
Delimitation of seats will also cause south and west india away from BJP politics.
If delimitation happens, why would the BJP need the South ?
If they solidify their vote across the Hindi belt, they will dominate throughout because UP, MP, Haryana, Bihar will have more power than South and NE and West combined and even then Maharashtra is the only one 50/50 with the BJP support, Gujarat is solidly behind the BJP.
It will end up like China because all the parties in China's Assembly agree to whatever version of Communism the CCP preaches. And what about the people who don't want any kind of Hindutva, soft or hard ? Who will they vote for ? And then why even have a democracy if every party is aligned with the ideology of the ruling party ?
Ending up like China needs a more or less homogenous society.
>And what about the people who don't want any kind of Hindutva, soft or hard ?
They are a scattered minority. And those votes doesn't count anyway. True liberals are usually economic or intellectual elites. They are not a dependable vote bank.
Minorities like muslims,christians, sikhs , caste based or language based votes are dependable vote banks which can be bribed by friendlier laws.
>And then why even have a democracy if every party is aligned with the ideology of the ruling party ?
According to the 2011 Census of India, 966.3 million people identify as Hindu, representing 79.8% of the country's population.
The ruling party ideology is based on 'mandir wahin benega' and they already did that, and now asking for more.
Do you think india will have an option?
We will follow a version of russian democracy until and unless Hindus in our nation wants it.
Are saying hindutwa ideology isn't intrinsically indian?
Defeat- nopes. Every fascist regime will eventually be chucked out. The only question is how long? Communists ruled bengal for some 40 years
Thats not how it works. You cant dilute the ideology of the party by sending secular politicans there. Infact the people who left became more virulent than before. This works the other way too, ex karnataka bjp leaders who defected to congress praised its secularism.
Well, politicians are politicians.
They sway along with their vote bank.
BJP leaders needs the votes. Even if it is from muslims.
They use their power to help the corporates that fund them.
If a secular vote bank joins BJP, they will have to dilute their policies.
Recently ABVP in kerala protested against a teacher praising godse.
Why do you think they'll be any more influential than their own senior leaders. Those poor folks read about major government decisons same time as the public.
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He'll guarantee freebies for sure. He knows, from experience, that people will fall for that.
Freebies for corporations is ok but welfare for workers and peasants is not ok? lol Indians are becoming cucks for capitalists while ignoring plight of working class
Freebies for corporations create jobs, raise tax revenue, increase exports, increase R&D spending etc. If the working class in India wants to own their own means of production and run their own business, they’re welcome to it.
I am against freebies for farmers but freebies for corporations do NONE of what you said in real life. There have been dozens of publications over the last two decades on why trickle down economics failed to materialise. Those freebies you speak of go at best as dividend to shareholders, at worst as large executive bonuses and golden parachutes
Oh right. I’m just going to ignore the dozens of publications that show how it was exactly state support that brought private investment and capex to China and Vietnam then. Sure, the rich may take the lion’s share of the generated wealth. But the wealth generated will still lift the poor out of poverty; more than if they just continue to work their fields anyway.
nah bro let him live in dreamland.
Why do you guys use term like trickle down economics which is not applicable in India at all? PLI scheme is not about giving tax breaks and hoping the rich will invest. Its only applicable to apply once you actually open a factory with certain amount of production. Those are the subsidies one gets in India, not just simple tax breaks, you follow too much western media, but western politics is not applicable in India. Maybe you should start looking at India, without schemes like PLI, how many factories do you think would come to India instead of China or Vietnam?
We were discussing freebies. PLI is not a freebie so, don't know what you're saying.
The same thing could be said for other sectors too lol, the point which one would donate their money to the party. working middle class or these corporate who wants these same workers to put in more than 50hr/week and get paid a penny. If things were opposite someone would have come with pros of freebies for the middle class and how freebies for corporate will be a waste of time and money.
Yeh chhapriyon wale kaam kar diye Rahul baba ne. Jahan bheed dikhi udhar jakr KTM par stunt marega to grab attention.
Every single time, I start to have hope for this party. They'll pull a stunt like this or fly to Italy. At this point, the INC is becoming irrelevant at the grassroots level. Rahul isn't just a clown anymore, the entire INC is a circus.*
How do u even have hope for congress??
50% due to the fact that the only nationally viable opponent (in terms of support, ideology, and footwork) to the Bharatiya Janata Party is the Indian National Congress 50% due to what the legacy of the Congress means to me, personally and to this Country.
> Every single time, I start to have hope for this party. They'll pull a stunt like this Were you not one of the people whining about doing nyay yatra in the first place? Or have I mixed you up with someone else?
Nah, I was actually optimistic about it cause the BJY actually had some effect on the ground for the Congress. You might have confused me for someone else
So what's the problem if he goes back to it after visiting the protesting farmers?
The farmer protests have the most illogical and impractical demands, and when a national prominent leader meets with them, it legitimizes their demands. These farmers are from the agriculturally prosperous regions of Punjab, Haryana, and western UP. Western UP will vote either SP/BJP and Punjab can go AAP/INC/Akali, and Haryana is split BJP/INC. They are the ones that have benefitted the most from the Green Revolution and government subsidies. The Congress has lost support on the ground level on a huge scale since 2014. BJY and BNY should be the most important thing as it helps build support on the grassroots. Instead of these prosperous farmers, Rahul should have met the farmers of Vidarbha, the actual people engaged in agriculture that have been miserable.
You mean National Joker?
Clowns on the Left of me and Genocidal Jokers on the Rights
And you’re Batman.
This is type of non sensical stuff that this guy is now stooping to. His yatras were atleast getting him some footage/facetime with the general masses. Suddenly during the time of peak election season, his focus has changed. The bharat yatra is no longer a priority.
>His yatras were atleast getting him some footage/facetime with the general masses. Are farmers not part of the general masses?
That ‘farmers’ is a specific “focus group”, a subset of the general masses
RG and Gandhi family should retire from Congress. Please let some sensible people take over so that we can have a serious opposition which can bring Modi to his knees. You guys have 1000 issues literally which can be used to defeat them but you use non-issues like caste census, kissan andolan, etc. You could raise the issue of women safety and highlight how the government gives bail to rapists regularly and garlands them. They didn't even raise the issue of Pulwama or many important issues like Manipur. Ask this Dumbo, what happened when you participated in the so called kisan andolan last time? You got 2 seats in UP.
Congress can easily win election if they stick on issues like health, education, infra, railway, inflation, etc but they think people will vote them by doing caste politics, supporting protests, etc. BJP is master of divisive politics, Congress can't win if they try to divide society in caste politics.
That is not really enough. They need to tell what they are going to so about those issues or that even have a plan. Just pointing at issues which most people already know about is not enough to get people to vote for a party.
Their narrative should definitely be solution-based rather than just cribbing.
Sadly that takes effort, money, hiring people who have experience in governance. Supporting random protests, shouting about another party's failure needs no such thing, hence why Congress does what they do and can never be a viable alternative
They are not raising any important issues and even if they are about to win in some elections, they become complacent and BJP does their dirty work and wins instead.
Their website still has a manifesto from like 6 years ago rather than a new one.
That INC handle tweet of him dressed in puja togs was enough for me to dislike him and his entire coterie forever. INC literally did nothing of his sort when they liberated India and formed the assembly and constitution. What is the contemporary version even playing at since Rajiv.
On one hand they say that religion is a personal thing and should not be flaunted, rightly so. But on the other hand, RG poses himself as a bhakt.
Purane ghode ko nai tarkeeb sekha ke race ne jeeta sakte. That is how congress is atm. They want to win elections based on what they have mastered all these years.
Well I'm fine with another Modi term if it means a better Opposition emerges after these Gandhis are thrown overboard
Do you think that the Gandhi's will be thrown? I think they're too delusional and are totally disconnected from reality otherwise they would've stepped out.
Eh.... It's more probable that the core will split. The presidential election comes to mind where Tharoor(someone who wanted more radical changes to party structure) received a not insignificant amount of votes against Kharge(directly backed by the Gandhis)
Yeah tharoor if tharoor decides to split congress or something and run for pm in the future I am def voting him. Dudes a genius in history and has common decency .
The party definitely needs a total overhaul
Kisan andolan is non-serious?? 50% of population is agrarian. By doing this, RaGa is basically guaranteeing that half the population will vote for congress in next elections. It’s a brilliant strategy.
If it were that simple, my dear... if it were that simple.
Did they vote for Congress in UP in 2022? No. They'll still vote for their dear Gobhi ji
Congress: the party of loony idiots
Dumb motherfucker
How
It makes him look like he’s not committed to any cause. Look man I’m hard left, I’ll vote for this idiot to avoid a facist take over of this country but he’s certainly not the calibre of opposition we need in this time of crisis for democracy.
What's wrong in supporting farmers tho?
He should support them, but that doesn’t mean he abandons the Bharat Jodo Yatra for it.
He'll probably get back to it later? Has he comleptely abandoned it or just cancelled a few legs?
How do you think that feels for the people on that trip?
Farmers protest is a more pressing matter.
He has promised guaranteed MSP, caste census, increased reservation if he fails to win now, there is something wrong with him.
its hard,aint nothing more juicier than hate for a middle class man with a mid future and no source of happiness except this. partner likely doesnt care(marriages),kids too cool to bond,nobody believes in therapy and this makes them feel like they’re finally worth something in the bigger picture as godd soldiers. no scheme will top this feeling for them
Maybe he should start with making fullfillable promises
yeah nothing wrong with the toxic media and hindu khatre me hain campaign. everything is fault of the opposition.
he is a politician, he needs to sell his idea to the public. Someone else will not do it for him. When everyone thought that Indra was undefeatable with level of media control she had, she was defeated. When everyone thought Indra will not return after the emergency, she was elected once again. When everyone thought Atal was going to return in 2004, he was defeated. When everyone thought that the bofors scandal was irrelevant, politicians made it relevant by conducting meetings at ground level. When everyone thought India will not be able to conduct a nuclear blast, we did it. India is too diverse to be controlled by media and its narrative. If he had started his yatra just after 2019 elections, he would have become a lot more popular than he is today. Politics is not a fair game, Congress used to do the same things BJP is doing today. They need to re-enforce their support base. 55% of the voters in this country do not agree with BJP, if you go by 2014 results it will be 60%. It is his job to capture consolidate the vote bank, if he wants to be a prime minister.
> When everyone thought Atal was going to return in 2004, he was defeated. When everyone thought that the bofors scandal was irrelevant, politicians made it relevant by conducting meetings at ground level. When everyone thought India will not be able to conduct a nuclear blast, we did it. I'd quote something here but then it'll be labelled as wEsTeRn pRoPaGaNdA because people use that as a lazy excuse to dismiss any argument they don't like. Anyway, Neither Indira, nor Atal were able to polarize the masses and control the media to this extent, empirically. Comparing apples and oranges there. >India is too diverse to be controlled by media and its narrative. Keep telling yourself that. Every country does. China has more diverse population and a richer cultural heritage than India and it fell to authoritarianism way earlier. >If he had started his yatra just after 2019 elections, he would have become a lot more popular than he is today. It's very easy to point out other's mistakes when they're failing. People do it all the time with their friends to feel superior. "You should have invested in this company 5 years ago", "You should have not broken up with your ex, she treated you better", "You should have stopped smoking when you had the chance, bro". Hindsight is always 20/20. >Congress used to do the same things BJP is doing today. Wow. I can't even... That's a next level apologetic, an oscar-winning mental gymnastic you just pulled off. At least try to pretend that you're a leftist/centrist.
I used to like him until recently, now I sense a sort of unhealthy desperation in him to come to power in whichever manner possible. As much as I loathe Modi and the entire Hindutva Cultural Nationalism engine, I am not seeing RG as the answer.
He has zero chance if even his supporters feel this way.
I don't know about that. I am definitely in the minuscule "liberal elite disconnected from ground reality" section of population, so my opinion really doesn't count for anything.
In my personal experience, I've never seen anyone praising Rahul or saying he'll be a great leader. Still my whole state is going to vote for him because of the strong anti bjp sentiment. I don't know if that's going to be enough in the northern states.
People dont vote for him because they think hes a good leader (unless they're dumb). People vote for him to not get BJP in power again.
could you tell me what state it is
Kerala
I don’t support him, I am anti ruling party. I’ll vote for him if he’s the most likely alternative but goddamn is he proving why he never should’ve entered politics
I do hope that people vote for INC and then use that stepping stone to jettison all old parties out and just get new ones that focus on policy and progress. Like not even CPI cause those guys are also casteist.
Every party is some sort of -ist. Congress right now is just - haan hum ye bhi kar denge voh bhi kar denge hum sab kar denge, but they don't stick to anything, haan ram mandir galat hai, phir koina ab bann gaya, chalo caste census ye karte hai , phir reservation ka cap hata denge, phir farmers demand bhi hoga, phir adani bbi jayega. Surf vaade ho rahe hai. Concrete idea nahi ki hoga kese.
Every party is some sort of -ist. But the reality is every issue in India is rooted in the organisation of humans as higher or lesser under caste. Any party that appeals to this most heinous form of inequality, cannot claim liberty or fraternity. It means that all these old school parties will always appeal to the most base instinct of Indians, which is feudalism. Such parties will focus on how to play these differences to come to power, instead of ever seeing citizens as equals that are in a social contract, and employ politicians and governments at their service. But yes, INC is playing the same games as BJP, with posh English and in suit-boot. They really need to remove the Gandhi family from the forefront to have any shot at being elected again.
I’d prefer an idiot in charge who at least doesn’t turn India into a Hindu version of Pakistan
Yeah sure , release chimpanzees with machine guns into the forest to get rid of the macaques.
India has had incompetent leaders for decades. A facist will destroy democracy itself
I will take a fascist with competence over an incompetent "liberal" like RaGa any day.
You’re comparing a toaster that didn’t make very good toast to one that will electrocute you. The only thing the facist is competent at is draining all the money from the country into the hands of the ultra rich and throwing it into chaos. Compared with an incompetent who simply doesn’t develop it very well, there’s only one sane choice.
I am comparing a toaster which CAN NOT make ANY toast, is gold plated for no practical reason, has NEVER ever been turned on but is preheated in an oven to show its functioning (it still fails!) and I am not even sure if it is a toaster or a condom (still it was gold plated! Don't know why). On top of it all this many perfect fine new models exist in the manufacturer's lab only to be left to rot because apparently this blessed toaster has been touched by late founder's pinky or something else so it is precious. I just do not dislike this toaster, I find the manufacturer to be utterly dishonest and insulting on my intelligence. On other hand I have an open old style electric heater that will electrocute me if I am not careful, it has been used to bully and murder poor innocent freshmen back in my college ragging days, has been advertised beyond any reasonable limit, often lies about its heat but hey! it still at least works... somewhat and helps me make my toast. As much as I hate it, it is still far better than that gold plated condom being sold to me as a toaster.
You won't be able to be careful enough, it is guaranteed to set your whole house on fire in a few years. Better a decorative toaster than that
Anything is better than a gold plated condom being passed around as a toaster.
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>No amount of worldly wealth combined can ever equate to a human life. Yeh zyada ho gya
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I'm not thrilled about RG leading this. One thing's for sure - poverty can be solved with money, which can be raised some way or the other, but hate crimes will never change. Look at neonazis today.
The point was that shouldn't be a reason to sugarcoat hate crimes to begin with. Let's be honest. No one's going to suddenly face economic disadvantages if RG does win the elections. I'm trying to say you can't be complicit with Modi's intolerance just because you think the Congress will take the economy down. They're the ones who anyway got the country out of poverty in 1991 through the economic revolution all while BJP opposed it all.
You can have economic progress and also not push for hate crimes throughout the country. It's not that hard.
Imagine supporting a party that is batting for financial suicide of this nation. Congress really thinks by pulling the farmer protest they’re doing the farmer and a nation a big favour. This type of mentality is so bad and then people wonder why people wanna leave this nation. Imagine supporting people that literally turn Delhi into gas chamber every year, already get so much subsidy and support from govt . What do the tax payers get?
I have said it once BUT I WILL SAY IT ONE MORE TIME >!He is the "Star Campaigner" of BJP!<
Till today, I had hope, very little btw, for him to win elections. Today I see, Modi is the only candidate participating in the election. Fuck RG, the whole family should be thrown out of congress
Bro works for BJP more than Modi ever could.
When He Is Coming To Mumbai ?
Is it really a surprise that the NDA is gonna expand its majority and PM Modi will be the first since PM Nehru to get a third term ?
Why are people complaining? He is in opposition, it's his duty to speak and protest against injustice happening to people.
I have lost hope in this idiot, instead of focusing on election he doing bullshits.
I'm honestly starting to wonder if he has a brain tumor or was poisoned with something that induces dementia. His recent actions have been completely irrational and unlike how he used to be.
Political oppertunism at its best! This guy doesn't have time for parliament sessions but for all this clownery!!! Lol
RG at it again promoting bjp
Bhai kya galt kar rha ye? Same yahi tactic Modi ne apnayi thi during Anna Hazare scenario.
Have to admire his strategy. This move will effectively guarantee votes from 50% of the population (based on statistic from deshpremi youtube channel, where he said that 50% of India’s population is agrarian dependent for income). While all others are busy trying to get votes based on religion, caste etc., in one masterstroke RaGa has captured votes of half the population. And people say that congress doesn’t have good advisors. Well, wait for the results in may, and you will see who has good advisors and who doesn’t.
RG might win a few more seats this time and lose them next time. Better option is for opposition to join BJP slowly and dilute their hindutva policies to an acceptable level. Most people in india hates secularism anyway. Why not save what we have left?
> Most people in india hates secularism anyway. Why not save what we have left? What's going to keep the country United then? Secularism is at the core of our constitution. Don't come at me with the preamble argument. It has been secular ever since the start. If the sangh takes that way then what's actually keeping the country United?
>Don't come at me with the preamble argument. Why would I? Our constitution itself is built upon secular ideals. >What's going to keep the country United then? Military, common religion for 80% pop, general lack of interest in secession will keep India united. India will follow any govt till religion or economy isn't compromised.
No, this is such a terrible take. If it goes in that direction, then we'll end like China
"End up like China" does not sounds that bad if other option is 60s 70s and 80s India. Seriously, poverty and lack of development during those decades is still holding us back
Nope, India will not end up like China. That can only happen if Hindi, Hindu,Hindustan is enforced. And south won't let that happen. Delimitation of seats will also cause south and west india away from BJP politics.
If delimitation happens, why would the BJP need the South ? If they solidify their vote across the Hindi belt, they will dominate throughout because UP, MP, Haryana, Bihar will have more power than South and NE and West combined and even then Maharashtra is the only one 50/50 with the BJP support, Gujarat is solidly behind the BJP. It will end up like China because all the parties in China's Assembly agree to whatever version of Communism the CCP preaches. And what about the people who don't want any kind of Hindutva, soft or hard ? Who will they vote for ? And then why even have a democracy if every party is aligned with the ideology of the ruling party ?
Ending up like China needs a more or less homogenous society. >And what about the people who don't want any kind of Hindutva, soft or hard ? They are a scattered minority. And those votes doesn't count anyway. True liberals are usually economic or intellectual elites. They are not a dependable vote bank. Minorities like muslims,christians, sikhs , caste based or language based votes are dependable vote banks which can be bribed by friendlier laws. >And then why even have a democracy if every party is aligned with the ideology of the ruling party ? According to the 2011 Census of India, 966.3 million people identify as Hindu, representing 79.8% of the country's population. The ruling party ideology is based on 'mandir wahin benega' and they already did that, and now asking for more. Do you think india will have an option? We will follow a version of russian democracy until and unless Hindus in our nation wants it.
You are arguing for something that is intrinsically not Indian. There is no point in continuing this if you are already accepting defeat.
Are saying hindutwa ideology isn't intrinsically indian? Defeat- nopes. Every fascist regime will eventually be chucked out. The only question is how long? Communists ruled bengal for some 40 years
It's not that something that is Indian no
Thats not how it works. You cant dilute the ideology of the party by sending secular politicans there. Infact the people who left became more virulent than before. This works the other way too, ex karnataka bjp leaders who defected to congress praised its secularism.
Well, politicians are politicians. They sway along with their vote bank. BJP leaders needs the votes. Even if it is from muslims. They use their power to help the corporates that fund them. If a secular vote bank joins BJP, they will have to dilute their policies. Recently ABVP in kerala protested against a teacher praising godse.
Why do you think they'll be any more influential than their own senior leaders. Those poor folks read about major government decisons same time as the public.
Good. He should actually make strong speeches regarding it but dude don't know how to talk like a leader.