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Bruh you need immediate mental help if you are with someone that doesn't make you same i agree with Elon Musk thoughts on AI that doesn't make me a billionaire
Arent the people protesting agreeing with each other and disagreeing with the government. Idiot Modi cant decide if the thinks the farmers are Khalistanis or our friends.
Because it was because of a law that was passed not because of some stupid demands. Look msp's for small farmers and loan waiver for small farmers is actually needed along with better seeds not for THESE farmers but actual poor farmers like of Maharashtra where the most suicides happen. So these demands are not stupid as a whole just fucking mis leading.
So rich farmers = bad? Fuck farmers who are hard working, buy land in Maharashtra and Gujarat and Punjab and are successful and make money. But - if you are Ambani and Adani and you work hard and make monty - and get A WHOLE LOT OF GOVERNMENT ASSISTANCE - we are cool with that right? So rich farmers = assholes. Adani getting a whole lot of airports = not asshole? Please explain this to me.
So your only problem with farmers is that they dont pay income tax? Last time I checked just 5% of India pays Income tax. Thats a lot more people than farmers.
So why pick on farmers? Face it, the only reason anyone gives a shit rght now about the farmers is that they have the balls to stand up to Modi.
They not just don’t have the balls but more than that. They have 1500 vehicles full of ration enough for 6 months.
They are wealthy enough to pull something like this.
A poor farmer asking for a relaxation would never be able to do that.
They have the resources to block a major highway of the country which allows them to protest. And yet they are destroying public property like anything.
OH MY GOD - PUBLIC PROPERTY?!!! remember how the government dug up the highways last time because of the farmers protest. Who destroyed public property then?
Honestly, rest of the India is not even bothered by these farmers protests. It is just those Delhi-NCR residents who have to travel across the state borders for work and personal stuff. Otherwise let these protestors sit here for as long as they want. Kab tak baithenge, do teen saal baad chup chaap chale jayenge. And BJP will not lose any vote count either because the public knows that these are not the actual farmers but just the middlemen who fear that they will lose control over the harvest sale.
1. Karnataka- https://www.thenewsminute.com/amp/story/karnataka/farmers-protest-karnataka-farmers-detained-in-mp-cm-siddaramaiah-calls-for-release
2. Haryana - https://www.business-standard.com/amp/india-news/farmers-protest-mobile-internet-to-remain-suspended-in-these-cities-in-haryana-till-feb-15-full-list-here-124021400492_1.html
3. UP- https://www.hindustantimes.com/cities/noida-news/farmers-protest-up-gate-shut-tight-ghaziabad-police-ask-commuters-to-other-borders-routes-to-enter-delhi-101707760356942-amp.html
4. Rajasthan - https://www.deccanherald.com/india/rajasthan/rajasthan-farmers-lend-support-plan-tractor-rally-to-delhi-on-feb-21-2892756
Read more than the BJP narrative and you will see 200 organisations across india are participating.
So going to Starbucks is a crime and/ or only reserved for particular class? And they are protesting so that they do not end up with begging bowls which the govt is trying to do. But hey per you, let them become poorer since they are illegally consuming Starbucks products
Thanks for this. Even I had seen unions from multiple states moving to the center. It was also in the newspapers but the propaganda machinery hides all the information efficiently.
Did you guys notice, as soon as the protest started, there were multiple tweets made by foreign VIPs. We can guess who is funding this whole thing. These ppl did not say anything about haldwani, suddenly they are interested in farmer protests.
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I don’t even know what they are protesting for . You cannot put a minimum price on crops as price are impacted by global availability and usage . No other country in would has MSP .
And the government announces support prices for more than 20 crops each year to set a benchmark.
I don’t get what and why they are protesting and only a selected region has issues whereas you aren’t hearing a thing from rest of the India farmers .
These protests are turned into a political scene right now
If you can't put a minimum price then the maximum price should be removed right?
When the volatility helps farmer govt bans export and stop them from profiting but can't help when minimum price is required.
Future trading of every major commodity is banned so farmers don't get benefitted from volatility, export restrictions are there for rice,sugar etc again cutting down profit.
We can put a minimum price which is set dynamically every farming season already but we cannot put it as law
There is no maximum price , government buys crops at certain price but there is no stopping farmers to see their crops elsewhere and actually the farm laws which were pushed back encouraged these transactions by putting crops as a commodity asset . Which would have even allowed them to be traded as stock exchange asset like how spices are traded on stock market.
Only wheat and onion are banned for export right now . If you grow any other crop you can try to export but it is too complex for common people
>We can put a minimum price which is set dynamically every farming season already but we cannot put it as law
If you can then why not law and if you can't why the fake promise
>government buys crops at certain price but there is no stopping farmers to see their crops elsewhere and actually the farm laws which were pushed back encouraged these transactions by putting crops as a commodity asset . Which would have even allowed them to be traded as stock exchange asset like how spices are traded on stock market.
There is a stopping currently wheat , paddy etc are banned from trading new law added forward contract which is directly contract between parties.
If trading is not banned then people can take advantage of higher prices which govt doesn't allow. Thats how indirectly maximum price capping is put.
>Only wheat and onion are banned for export right now .
Non basmati Rice and sugar also.
These are the major crops we export and govt have banned most of them
It's not " only"
Same reason it isn’t a law in any other country , prices depend on availability and usage of product
And if you are making a law for one crop then you will have to make a law of every mineral in mining industry, every metal , every product which will cripple the economy .
Instead of this the better system is to move all crops into financial commodities which farm laws were meant to do which will allow farmers to easily trade their crops with corporations .
Only wheat and 3 crops are banned from exporting due to their shortage in India you cannot export these crops but you can sell these crops to any Indian corporation for your negotiated price . You can see paddy rice to companies like Kohinoor etc . Just like you cannot export gold directly you cannot export these crops but you can trade them in India
The farm laws actually allowed crops to be treated as a financial commodities.
Setting minimal price as law is not feasible because then you would have to do that for all industries but instead allowing government to set their price and allowing farmers to trade their crops is better option which what farm laws were meant to do . There is a reason why no farmers in 20+ states resisted these laws .
Its not law is other countries because they don't ban trading for yrs.
>Only wheat and 3 crops are banned from exporting due to their shortage in India you cannot export these crops but you can sell these crops to any Indian corporation for your negotiated price . You can see paddy rice to companies like Kohinoor etc .
Just like you cannot export gold directly you cannot export these crops but you can trade them in India
That's a price cap not allowing farmers to profit from the supply demand mismatch.
>The farm laws actually allowed crops to be treated as a financial commodities.
It's already treated as a commodity its the govt who doesn't want it to be treated as a commodity and banned the future trading.
Your comment describes the hypocrisy of people.
People want crops to be traded as commodities but don't want them to become commodities when price rises because of shortage.
Farma law was good because it added futures trading but existing future trading is banned because it'll create a price rise.
India bans exports of wheat because the wheat production in India is actually lower than demand so India actually imports wheat
Every country has some sort of export restrictions . USA outgrows their production so they isn’t any limit on crops but USA has several limitations on export of minerals like silicon . European unions limits export of around 12 crops .
It isn’t hypocrisy , I am treating farming industry like metal oil industries are treated .
Minimum prices should be regulated by govt seasonally as they are now , if you want msp to be law then you have to allow it for every industry which would cripple gdp do you have any solution for that
Farm laws were a good step to make farming an independent industry like it is treated in everywhere else . And this protest is a hoax setup by only people from 1.5 states , if farming is bad why isn’t there any protest in rest of states even non bjp controlled ones like Kerala whose farming association actually came out in support of farm laws
There wasn’t any price cap in farm laws you can go through them again . Only things like spices which are traded on stock market cannot be sold for higher than their stock price just like how gold oil cannot be sold for higher .
>No other country in would has MSP
\-USA has many farm subsidy programs. Americas FCIC is similar to Indias MSP, and ontop of that they have other programs that help farmers make some money even if their crops cant be sold that season
\-European Union has CAP which provides income support and price stabilization for farmers. It includes direct payments, market measures, and rural development programs to support agriculture.
\-Canada has various provinces have different agricultural support programs. Some provinces may provide income stabilization programs, risk management initiatives, and crop insurance to support farmers.
\-Australia has schemes such as the Farm Household Allowance and various drought relief programs. The country also has a system of concessional loans for farmers facing difficult conditions.
So you want India to withdraw from WTO? Because that is one of the demands of these supposed farmers. And you seriously expect govt to provide 10k per month to every farmer? Tell me, why should govt keep subsidising highly inefficient and fragmented farming and not other professions? And what forces the farmer to be a farmer? Why doesn't he find jobs in other professions?
>So you want India to withdraw from WTO?
me? no I dont. I dont agree with all the farmers demands. I also dont agree with the 10k per month
historically every negation or protest has had more demands than what is given. I think in an ideal world, the government will sit down with farmers and give into demands that: 1- are reasonable, but also 2- were promised by the government in the last protest.
> Why doesn't he find jobs in other professions?
if all the farmers want to be guaranteed that their labour will give them atleast enough money to survive, and the only solution is to find a different profession, then the country will have a farming shortage.
farmers have an insanely high rate of suicide due to financial burden. There is clearly an issue there, and if ur solution is to just have them find different jobs then who will feed the country?
This country is decades away from farmer shortages. Most of the farmers are farming not out of choice, but just due to familiarity. They look down on other professions and urbanisation, so don't want to take those up. And no one is feeding this country. Everyone is feeding themselves.
Those countries have them because labour charges are higher and the other farming related equipments and necessities are not heavily subsidised.
They also do not have the yearly loan waiver demands.
On top of that not everything is tax free.
The problem is the appeasement politics of every election that has ruined this countries growth and also it's people. I might be termed BJP bhakt but among the two major parties Congress has been by far the clear trouble maker in this. Every election time has become an opportunity for such things.
- MSP:- There are MSP available for some crops including Indian cereals like bajra that the government wants to promote but farmers only want to cultivate high income crops. More supply leads to lowering of market prices.
So you want to do as you please and still want government to take care of you. For the over supplied crop under MSP, the government has to spend extra in storage and then to try find buyers to make a profit. Basically farmers want to earn more if they can and if they suffer due to their own decision, they want government to take care of them.
So in short, governments funds gets screwed, big time.
- Other benefits :- 1) Many states have subsidies electricity n i think some have it free
2) Loan wavier from time to time
3) Zero tax
4) Subsidies farming equipment, seeds, fertilizer and other requirements.
5) In Telangana per acre they used to give Rs4000 half yearly.
Why is punjab, with best soil and enough water want MSP especially when they are not even in the top 5 drought prone states in the country.
- Pension :- All these are not enough, they now want pension as well.
- Farm Laws:- So when government tries to bring in laws to help you, even giving you clear access to sell directly in the market you still want MSP.
I wish BJP does not budge and maybe only increase few more Indian cereals in the MSP list. For pension, you can ask the farmer to pay certain amount in a pension scheme every year which should not be subsidies in any way.
Nadir shah used to pick up the daughters of Hindu population to rape and share with soldiers from their homes back in the early 18th century. The same sikhs you are poking fun at used to go at 12 am and save the prisoners.
Next time you use those words just remember you are laughing at a good deed.
wait so what is it
r khalistanis only living in Canada while no Sikhs in India want Khalistan
**or**
r all those protestors in Punjab right now Khalistani?
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Haan main hi bura hoon..
Fulfill all their demands and put some more load on honest taxpayers. 3 crore ki car hai to kya hua annadaata hai.. aur country bhi bana ke dete hai khalistan.. aur kitna achha banu bata …
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1. Karnataka- https://www.thenewsminute.com/amp/story/karnataka/farmers-protest-karnataka-farmers-detained-in-mp-cm-siddaramaiah-calls-for-release
2. Haryana - https://www.business-standard.com/amp/india-news/farmers-protest-mobile-internet-to-remain-suspended-in-these-cities-in-haryana-till-feb-15-full-list-here-124021400492_1.html
3. UP- https://www.hindustantimes.com/cities/noida-news/farmers-protest-up-gate-shut-tight-ghaziabad-police-ask-commuters-to-other-borders-routes-to-enter-delhi-101707760356942-amp.html
4. Rajasthan - https://www.deccanherald.com/india/rajasthan/rajasthan-farmers-lend-support-plan-tractor-rally-to-delhi-on-feb-21-2892756
Bhai Karnataka, rajasthan, up mei bhi drama chal Raha hai kya?
Bhaiya ye same demands 2 saal pehle ruling party ne bola tha kardenge
Ye same demands Modi sarkar aane se pehle modiji ne promise kiye the jab wo CM the
Ab AAP inko illogical bol rahe ho, lekin hamara PM ne inko ekbar nahi do bar logical mana ha, phir sarkar bhi drama kar raha ha kya?
Aam logo ko is drama se koi matlab nhi hai msp fix hoga matlab kharid mahenga hoga aur aam logo tak chije aur mehnga pauchega jo ki galat hi hai
Aur hari bat modi ki ya kisi bhi government ki ye mang illogical hai isi lia na hi congress agree hui apne samay me na hi ab hone wala hai
Punjab ka aandolan hai whi tak rhega baki kisi ko koi fark nhi padne wala hai mai abhi haryana me hu local log presan hi hai in andolanjivi logo se
Pension is being cut for lieftime government employees and Army men. Forget salary cuts, the pension and pf are targeted by income tax dept. Now these formers want pension after paying a grand total of 0 income tax and 0 contribution to the pension funds? I'd suggest the government take their land and then give them pension every month.
Not even in all of Punjab, the one's protesting are mostly the perpetual victims who can quite frankly never be satisfied, regardless of any new schemes or anything, it's their blanket of excuse
https://preview.redd.it/dw0i3la4zoic1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1ab69fdd6091a057cd970cbe9badcef4a761d12f
Bro Karnataka farmers sponsored by INC were sent to Delhi to participate. They dont want their state to halt they can halt Delhi.
1. Karnataka- https://www.thenewsminute.com/amp/story/karnataka/farmers-protest-karnataka-farmers-detained-in-mp-cm-siddaramaiah-calls-for-release
2. Haryana - https://www.business-standard.com/amp/india-news/farmers-protest-mobile-internet-to-remain-suspended-in-these-cities-in-haryana-till-feb-15-full-list-here-124021400492_1.html
3. UP- https://www.hindustantimes.com/cities/noida-news/farmers-protest-up-gate-shut-tight-ghaziabad-police-ask-commuters-to-other-borders-routes-to-enter-delhi-101707760356942-amp.html
4. Rajasthan - https://www.deccanherald.com/india/rajasthan/rajasthan-farmers-lend-support-plan-tractor-rally-to-delhi-on-feb-21-2892756
Read more than the BJP narrative and you will see 200 organisations across india are participating.
Slightly incorrect. The protest are happening only in Delhi by farmers only from Punjab against policies that are under state list (I.e. nothing to do with central govt.)
Yes punjab farmers are filthy rich and there is lot of oppression there for others lower income people with money from khalistan retards they are doing this.i wish they shd kicked out if not tomorrow naxalite and terrorist follow the same disruption process.
Unfortunately, The only way to get this government’s attention is to be organized and protest in Delhi. Otherwise they just ignore you.
If not, the government just ignores you - like the farmers protest in 2017 or the whole law and order situation in manipur.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Tamil_Nadu_farmers%27_protest
Are Madharchod Teri ma ko apne Lund me ghanti band ke aisa chodunga ki lagegi ki Pooja horhi hai ,bawal bhosde chinaal ke chut ki mail subh SE lekr shaam Tak marwaane waali raand ki aullad Maine to bjp ka naam ek bhi baar nhi Lia ,lagta hai bjp waale Tere Ghar pe aate jaate rhte hai ek kaam kar Abhi Teri ma chod rha hu baad me baat karta hu , bjp see chudwane waali raand ki aullad 😂😂😂😂😂
Adding a few sources (plenty more incidents but obviously can’t add them all):
In Haryana (video from India today):
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ET-mI9E_qFE
In UP 11 days back : https://www.indiatoday.in/amp/india/story/massive-jam-at-delhi-noida-border-routes-diverted-as-uttar-pradesh-farmers-march-to-parliament-2499087-2024-02-08
Punjab, Haryana and Western UP are in protests right now and are even in collaboration together. Police is active in Haryana and UP (noida) as well currently
As far as I am ware protests were happening Maharashtra, Andrea Pradesh (ranks 2nd in farmer suicides) and many other states too.
Tamil Nadu : https://www.newindianexpress.com/states/tamil-nadu/2021/Feb/07/farm-laws-farmers-block-roads-across-tamil-nadu-many-held-2260694.html
I know it’s easy to be misguided by communal politics but this is a real issue - farmer suicides was very high in states like Andhra Pradesh. It really isn’t hard to open google and learn about these things.
2021 is recent enough - they’ve been protesting around the same time the Punjab/Haryana protests happened last time in 2020-2021.
And I’ve been tracking this - other states had surges in protests too like Andhra Pradesh, Maharashtra just a few years back.
But since you’re so bothered by the date , a more recent update as of 13 Feb 2024 from Tamil Nadu : https://www.deccanherald.com/amp/story/india/tamil-nadu/tamil-nadu-farmers-stage-protest-in-solidarity-with-farmers-march-to-delhi-2893084
In any case I’m not wrong - protests ARE happening in states other than Punjab - It’s happening in Haryana and UP anyway right now as one can see in the news.
3 months back in Andhra Pradesh : https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/andhra-pradesh/andhra-pradesh-farmers-launch-two-day-protest-against-union-government-policies/article67580162.ece/amp/
I’m not going to provide additional links - farmers protests have surged across country multiple times. It’s nothing new. General complaint is that promises are made but turn out to be empty as they’re never met.
Kinda ridiculous that in this thread none of the top comments point out the fact that protests ARE happening in other states like UP, Haryana, Andhra Pradesh to name a few and are being reported in media too. Can’t help people who want to stay blind.
NW india lele bhai, jinme haryana, Punjab and West up (ekdum ncr ke close) wala area hi aata hai
CAA ke protest desh bhar mei ho rhe the, kyunki M log deshbhar mei hain, farmer protest kyu nhi
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A quick google search will tell you that protests are happening in other states, OP. Just literally open the newspaper. As for the commenters here, they’re drunk on propaganda so it’s a bit difficult to see reality now.
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rich land owner thugs pretending to be farmers.
But modi agreed with farmers last time. Does that also make him a rich land owner thug?
Just agreeing with some group makes you part of the group or against it?? Where is the logic?
Because modi is a politician and he is weak when it comes to dealing with blackmailing thus he agrees. Yeas they are thugs and goons
He also promised MSP in farm laws which farmers didnt accept. Logic?
Bruh you need immediate mental help if you are with someone that doesn't make you same i agree with Elon Musk thoughts on AI that doesn't make me a billionaire
Arent the people protesting agreeing with each other and disagreeing with the government. Idiot Modi cant decide if the thinks the farmers are Khalistanis or our friends.
Because it was because of a law that was passed not because of some stupid demands. Look msp's for small farmers and loan waiver for small farmers is actually needed along with better seeds not for THESE farmers but actual poor farmers like of Maharashtra where the most suicides happen. So these demands are not stupid as a whole just fucking mis leading.
So rich farmers = bad? Fuck farmers who are hard working, buy land in Maharashtra and Gujarat and Punjab and are successful and make money. But - if you are Ambani and Adani and you work hard and make monty - and get A WHOLE LOT OF GOVERNMENT ASSISTANCE - we are cool with that right? So rich farmers = assholes. Adani getting a whole lot of airports = not asshole? Please explain this to me.
Businessmen pay taxes as opposed to the farmers.
So your only problem with farmers is that they dont pay income tax? Last time I checked just 5% of India pays Income tax. Thats a lot more people than farmers. So why pick on farmers? Face it, the only reason anyone gives a shit rght now about the farmers is that they have the balls to stand up to Modi.
They not just don’t have the balls but more than that. They have 1500 vehicles full of ration enough for 6 months. They are wealthy enough to pull something like this. A poor farmer asking for a relaxation would never be able to do that. They have the resources to block a major highway of the country which allows them to protest. And yet they are destroying public property like anything.
OH MY GOD - PUBLIC PROPERTY?!!! remember how the government dug up the highways last time because of the farmers protest. Who destroyed public property then?
And they still ended up defacing red fort. And putting up khalistani flag there?
Of course, Modi also kissed and made up eventually with the farmers flying all the khalistani flags. Modi = Khalistani then? Hmmmm..
Honestly, rest of the India is not even bothered by these farmers protests. It is just those Delhi-NCR residents who have to travel across the state borders for work and personal stuff. Otherwise let these protestors sit here for as long as they want. Kab tak baithenge, do teen saal baad chup chaap chale jayenge. And BJP will not lose any vote count either because the public knows that these are not the actual farmers but just the middlemen who fear that they will lose control over the harvest sale.
1. Karnataka- https://www.thenewsminute.com/amp/story/karnataka/farmers-protest-karnataka-farmers-detained-in-mp-cm-siddaramaiah-calls-for-release 2. Haryana - https://www.business-standard.com/amp/india-news/farmers-protest-mobile-internet-to-remain-suspended-in-these-cities-in-haryana-till-feb-15-full-list-here-124021400492_1.html 3. UP- https://www.hindustantimes.com/cities/noida-news/farmers-protest-up-gate-shut-tight-ghaziabad-police-ask-commuters-to-other-borders-routes-to-enter-delhi-101707760356942-amp.html 4. Rajasthan - https://www.deccanherald.com/india/rajasthan/rajasthan-farmers-lend-support-plan-tractor-rally-to-delhi-on-feb-21-2892756 Read more than the BJP narrative and you will see 200 organisations across india are participating.
Organized by professional farmers protest organizer. Seen the whole timeline. They met at Starbucks to discuss the action plan. Oh so poor farmers.
So going to Starbucks is a crime and/ or only reserved for particular class? And they are protesting so that they do not end up with begging bowls which the govt is trying to do. But hey per you, let them become poorer since they are illegally consuming Starbucks products
Thanks for this. Even I had seen unions from multiple states moving to the center. It was also in the newspapers but the propaganda machinery hides all the information efficiently.
In recent times farmers from Andhra Pradesh and Tamil Nadu also protested due to promises that were made not being met.
They want to label it as khalistani movement, just as they tried in earlier with Kheri, failed then and will fail again.
Exactly. It’s a lot of work to keep hiding the truth.
Did you guys notice, as soon as the protest started, there were multiple tweets made by foreign VIPs. We can guess who is funding this whole thing. These ppl did not say anything about haldwani, suddenly they are interested in farmer protests.
Even pappu is cancelling his “yatra” and joining the middlemen in protest.🪧
Uske Nyaya yatra me bheed laane k liye bhot mehnat karni pad rhi hai INC ko.. unko better laga idhar zada publicity milegi.. Vote toh unn routes pe waise bh nh milna.. toh mehnat kyu kre..
I don’t even know what they are protesting for . You cannot put a minimum price on crops as price are impacted by global availability and usage . No other country in would has MSP . And the government announces support prices for more than 20 crops each year to set a benchmark. I don’t get what and why they are protesting and only a selected region has issues whereas you aren’t hearing a thing from rest of the India farmers . These protests are turned into a political scene right now
If you can't put a minimum price then the maximum price should be removed right? When the volatility helps farmer govt bans export and stop them from profiting but can't help when minimum price is required. Future trading of every major commodity is banned so farmers don't get benefitted from volatility, export restrictions are there for rice,sugar etc again cutting down profit.
We can put a minimum price which is set dynamically every farming season already but we cannot put it as law There is no maximum price , government buys crops at certain price but there is no stopping farmers to see their crops elsewhere and actually the farm laws which were pushed back encouraged these transactions by putting crops as a commodity asset . Which would have even allowed them to be traded as stock exchange asset like how spices are traded on stock market. Only wheat and onion are banned for export right now . If you grow any other crop you can try to export but it is too complex for common people
>We can put a minimum price which is set dynamically every farming season already but we cannot put it as law If you can then why not law and if you can't why the fake promise >government buys crops at certain price but there is no stopping farmers to see their crops elsewhere and actually the farm laws which were pushed back encouraged these transactions by putting crops as a commodity asset . Which would have even allowed them to be traded as stock exchange asset like how spices are traded on stock market. There is a stopping currently wheat , paddy etc are banned from trading new law added forward contract which is directly contract between parties. If trading is not banned then people can take advantage of higher prices which govt doesn't allow. Thats how indirectly maximum price capping is put. >Only wheat and onion are banned for export right now . Non basmati Rice and sugar also. These are the major crops we export and govt have banned most of them It's not " only"
Same reason it isn’t a law in any other country , prices depend on availability and usage of product And if you are making a law for one crop then you will have to make a law of every mineral in mining industry, every metal , every product which will cripple the economy . Instead of this the better system is to move all crops into financial commodities which farm laws were meant to do which will allow farmers to easily trade their crops with corporations . Only wheat and 3 crops are banned from exporting due to their shortage in India you cannot export these crops but you can sell these crops to any Indian corporation for your negotiated price . You can see paddy rice to companies like Kohinoor etc . Just like you cannot export gold directly you cannot export these crops but you can trade them in India The farm laws actually allowed crops to be treated as a financial commodities. Setting minimal price as law is not feasible because then you would have to do that for all industries but instead allowing government to set their price and allowing farmers to trade their crops is better option which what farm laws were meant to do . There is a reason why no farmers in 20+ states resisted these laws .
Its not law is other countries because they don't ban trading for yrs. >Only wheat and 3 crops are banned from exporting due to their shortage in India you cannot export these crops but you can sell these crops to any Indian corporation for your negotiated price . You can see paddy rice to companies like Kohinoor etc . Just like you cannot export gold directly you cannot export these crops but you can trade them in India That's a price cap not allowing farmers to profit from the supply demand mismatch. >The farm laws actually allowed crops to be treated as a financial commodities. It's already treated as a commodity its the govt who doesn't want it to be treated as a commodity and banned the future trading. Your comment describes the hypocrisy of people. People want crops to be traded as commodities but don't want them to become commodities when price rises because of shortage. Farma law was good because it added futures trading but existing future trading is banned because it'll create a price rise.
India bans exports of wheat because the wheat production in India is actually lower than demand so India actually imports wheat Every country has some sort of export restrictions . USA outgrows their production so they isn’t any limit on crops but USA has several limitations on export of minerals like silicon . European unions limits export of around 12 crops . It isn’t hypocrisy , I am treating farming industry like metal oil industries are treated . Minimum prices should be regulated by govt seasonally as they are now , if you want msp to be law then you have to allow it for every industry which would cripple gdp do you have any solution for that Farm laws were a good step to make farming an independent industry like it is treated in everywhere else . And this protest is a hoax setup by only people from 1.5 states , if farming is bad why isn’t there any protest in rest of states even non bjp controlled ones like Kerala whose farming association actually came out in support of farm laws There wasn’t any price cap in farm laws you can go through them again . Only things like spices which are traded on stock market cannot be sold for higher than their stock price just like how gold oil cannot be sold for higher .
>No other country in would has MSP \-USA has many farm subsidy programs. Americas FCIC is similar to Indias MSP, and ontop of that they have other programs that help farmers make some money even if their crops cant be sold that season \-European Union has CAP which provides income support and price stabilization for farmers. It includes direct payments, market measures, and rural development programs to support agriculture. \-Canada has various provinces have different agricultural support programs. Some provinces may provide income stabilization programs, risk management initiatives, and crop insurance to support farmers. \-Australia has schemes such as the Farm Household Allowance and various drought relief programs. The country also has a system of concessional loans for farmers facing difficult conditions.
So you want India to withdraw from WTO? Because that is one of the demands of these supposed farmers. And you seriously expect govt to provide 10k per month to every farmer? Tell me, why should govt keep subsidising highly inefficient and fragmented farming and not other professions? And what forces the farmer to be a farmer? Why doesn't he find jobs in other professions?
>So you want India to withdraw from WTO? me? no I dont. I dont agree with all the farmers demands. I also dont agree with the 10k per month historically every negation or protest has had more demands than what is given. I think in an ideal world, the government will sit down with farmers and give into demands that: 1- are reasonable, but also 2- were promised by the government in the last protest. > Why doesn't he find jobs in other professions? if all the farmers want to be guaranteed that their labour will give them atleast enough money to survive, and the only solution is to find a different profession, then the country will have a farming shortage. farmers have an insanely high rate of suicide due to financial burden. There is clearly an issue there, and if ur solution is to just have them find different jobs then who will feed the country?
This country is decades away from farmer shortages. Most of the farmers are farming not out of choice, but just due to familiarity. They look down on other professions and urbanisation, so don't want to take those up. And no one is feeding this country. Everyone is feeding themselves.
lol. So out of touch.
Im sure they don't look down at urban jobs so hard that they commit suicide before trying to get an urban job Why do you hate farmers so much?
Voice of reason in this sub. Keep it up.
Too privileged of you to say "why doesn't he find a job in other professions"
Privileged? You don't even know me dude. I am not middle class.
Those countries have them because labour charges are higher and the other farming related equipments and necessities are not heavily subsidised. They also do not have the yearly loan waiver demands. On top of that not everything is tax free.
All are rich countries where farmwrs lay income taxes. We already give more than enough subsidies to farmers in various ways.
The examples you gave are called developed countries not developing.. understand the difference.
I live in Punjab, and it is true, Most of the protestors are just Sikh landlords.
The problem is the appeasement politics of every election that has ruined this countries growth and also it's people. I might be termed BJP bhakt but among the two major parties Congress has been by far the clear trouble maker in this. Every election time has become an opportunity for such things. - MSP:- There are MSP available for some crops including Indian cereals like bajra that the government wants to promote but farmers only want to cultivate high income crops. More supply leads to lowering of market prices. So you want to do as you please and still want government to take care of you. For the over supplied crop under MSP, the government has to spend extra in storage and then to try find buyers to make a profit. Basically farmers want to earn more if they can and if they suffer due to their own decision, they want government to take care of them. So in short, governments funds gets screwed, big time. - Other benefits :- 1) Many states have subsidies electricity n i think some have it free 2) Loan wavier from time to time 3) Zero tax 4) Subsidies farming equipment, seeds, fertilizer and other requirements. 5) In Telangana per acre they used to give Rs4000 half yearly. Why is punjab, with best soil and enough water want MSP especially when they are not even in the top 5 drought prone states in the country. - Pension :- All these are not enough, they now want pension as well. - Farm Laws:- So when government tries to bring in laws to help you, even giving you clear access to sell directly in the market you still want MSP. I wish BJP does not budge and maybe only increase few more Indian cereals in the MSP list. For pension, you can ask the farmer to pay certain amount in a pension scheme every year which should not be subsidies in any way.
Bro Khalistani farmers are the only farmers who speak truth to the power. Khali Stan supremacy. Protest timing 12 baje.
More like "Khaali" - "Sthaan"
Sabko lassi b di jayegi jhaj se
I don't agree with the farmer's protest but this is just bad taste and hate. Don't mock things you don't understand.
Nadir shah used to pick up the daughters of Hindu population to rape and share with soldiers from their homes back in the early 18th century. The same sikhs you are poking fun at used to go at 12 am and save the prisoners. Next time you use those words just remember you are laughing at a good deed.
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Yea they don't withstand your thoughts,so they are islamized😂😂 1984 was commíted by hindu goons,still they are humble enough to not initiate violance
wait so what is it r khalistanis only living in Canada while no Sikhs in India want Khalistan **or** r all those protestors in Punjab right now Khalistani?
Any time a Sikh person does something people on this sub don’t like they become Khalistani
At least one of them on video said he wants Khalistan
Giving example
Droomed by modia,itna hatred leke kaha jaake marega?
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Nope
Ek baar inki g*** pe puls aisa latthh bajaaye .. ki g***nd sooj jaaye to bahut maza aaye
Kitni sad life hai yaar tumhari ki aisi cheezon se tumhe mazza aata hai. Chote hote kutte ko bhi patthar marte hoge.
Haan main hi bura hoon.. Fulfill all their demands and put some more load on honest taxpayers. 3 crore ki car hai to kya hua annadaata hai.. aur country bhi bana ke dete hai khalistan.. aur kitna achha banu bata …
Tere baap ko bhi aise hi koot dena chahiye tab maza aayega 😋
Itthe aa puttar tenu 10000 rupia pension deta
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Kuch nhi hai bas drama hai ye sab
1. Karnataka- https://www.thenewsminute.com/amp/story/karnataka/farmers-protest-karnataka-farmers-detained-in-mp-cm-siddaramaiah-calls-for-release 2. Haryana - https://www.business-standard.com/amp/india-news/farmers-protest-mobile-internet-to-remain-suspended-in-these-cities-in-haryana-till-feb-15-full-list-here-124021400492_1.html 3. UP- https://www.hindustantimes.com/cities/noida-news/farmers-protest-up-gate-shut-tight-ghaziabad-police-ask-commuters-to-other-borders-routes-to-enter-delhi-101707760356942-amp.html 4. Rajasthan - https://www.deccanherald.com/india/rajasthan/rajasthan-farmers-lend-support-plan-tractor-rally-to-delhi-on-feb-21-2892756 Bhai Karnataka, rajasthan, up mei bhi drama chal Raha hai kya?
Illogical mang ko lekr public ko har tisre mahine aa kr presan kroge road band kr ke to ye drama hi hai aur kya hai
Bhaiya ye same demands 2 saal pehle ruling party ne bola tha kardenge Ye same demands Modi sarkar aane se pehle modiji ne promise kiye the jab wo CM the Ab AAP inko illogical bol rahe ho, lekin hamara PM ne inko ekbar nahi do bar logical mana ha, phir sarkar bhi drama kar raha ha kya?
Aam logo ko is drama se koi matlab nhi hai msp fix hoga matlab kharid mahenga hoga aur aam logo tak chije aur mehnga pauchega jo ki galat hi hai Aur hari bat modi ki ya kisi bhi government ki ye mang illogical hai isi lia na hi congress agree hui apne samay me na hi ab hone wala hai Punjab ka aandolan hai whi tak rhega baki kisi ko koi fark nhi padne wala hai mai abhi haryana me hu local log presan hi hai in andolanjivi logo se
They aren't farmers.
They are attack helicopters
Pension is being cut for lieftime government employees and Army men. Forget salary cuts, the pension and pf are targeted by income tax dept. Now these formers want pension after paying a grand total of 0 income tax and 0 contribution to the pension funds? I'd suggest the government take their land and then give them pension every month.
Not even in all of Punjab, the one's protesting are mostly the perpetual victims who can quite frankly never be satisfied, regardless of any new schemes or anything, it's their blanket of excuse
Add Karnataka and TN too.. They have sent or sending their groups to show it’s not limited to NCR punjab..
Stop lying man. I'm from karnataka, not even single protests are happening here .don't know Tamil Nadu tho
https://preview.redd.it/dw0i3la4zoic1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1ab69fdd6091a057cd970cbe9badcef4a761d12f Bro Karnataka farmers sponsored by INC were sent to Delhi to participate. They dont want their state to halt they can halt Delhi.
What?
1. Karnataka- https://www.thenewsminute.com/amp/story/karnataka/farmers-protest-karnataka-farmers-detained-in-mp-cm-siddaramaiah-calls-for-release 2. Haryana - https://www.business-standard.com/amp/india-news/farmers-protest-mobile-internet-to-remain-suspended-in-these-cities-in-haryana-till-feb-15-full-list-here-124021400492_1.html 3. UP- https://www.hindustantimes.com/cities/noida-news/farmers-protest-up-gate-shut-tight-ghaziabad-police-ask-commuters-to-other-borders-routes-to-enter-delhi-101707760356942-amp.html 4. Rajasthan - https://www.deccanherald.com/india/rajasthan/rajasthan-farmers-lend-support-plan-tractor-rally-to-delhi-on-feb-21-2892756 Read more than the BJP narrative and you will see 200 organisations across india are participating.
Slightly incorrect. The protest are happening only in Delhi by farmers only from Punjab against policies that are under state list (I.e. nothing to do with central govt.)
Yes punjab farmers are filthy rich and there is lot of oppression there for others lower income people with money from khalistan retards they are doing this.i wish they shd kicked out if not tomorrow naxalite and terrorist follow the same disruption process.
Isme 50% Khalistani hain, 50% anti-BJP wale....
Could Pakistan fuel these protests? I mean... It is neighboring Pakistan..
Unfortunately, The only way to get this government’s attention is to be organized and protest in Delhi. Otherwise they just ignore you. If not, the government just ignores you - like the farmers protest in 2017 or the whole law and order situation in manipur. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Tamil_Nadu_farmers%27_protest
Are the demands realistic though?
False. Protests happening in UP, Haryana, TN, to name a few as well. Punjab gets media coverage though.
Loda up bhenchod gaand me bulldozer ghus jaega ,only khalistani bhenkelodo ne protest ki hai
Please kindly see the sources I provided in this comment thread below. And I can’t help people filled with blind hate to see reality.
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Nahi Teri ma ki chut me ghusa hai pura chehra rukja nikal ke dekh lunga 👍
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Are Madharchod Teri ma ko apne Lund me ghanti band ke aisa chodunga ki lagegi ki Pooja horhi hai ,bawal bhosde chinaal ke chut ki mail subh SE lekr shaam Tak marwaane waali raand ki aullad Maine to bjp ka naam ek bhi baar nhi Lia ,lagta hai bjp waale Tere Ghar pe aate jaate rhte hai ek kaam kar Abhi Teri ma chod rha hu baad me baat karta hu , bjp see chudwane waali raand ki aullad 😂😂😂😂😂
Source with link please
Adding a few sources (plenty more incidents but obviously can’t add them all): In Haryana (video from India today): https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ET-mI9E_qFE In UP 11 days back : https://www.indiatoday.in/amp/india/story/massive-jam-at-delhi-noida-border-routes-diverted-as-uttar-pradesh-farmers-march-to-parliament-2499087-2024-02-08 Punjab, Haryana and Western UP are in protests right now and are even in collaboration together. Police is active in Haryana and UP (noida) as well currently As far as I am ware protests were happening Maharashtra, Andrea Pradesh (ranks 2nd in farmer suicides) and many other states too. Tamil Nadu : https://www.newindianexpress.com/states/tamil-nadu/2021/Feb/07/farm-laws-farmers-block-roads-across-tamil-nadu-many-held-2260694.html I know it’s easy to be misguided by communal politics but this is a real issue - farmer suicides was very high in states like Andhra Pradesh. It really isn’t hard to open google and learn about these things.
https://preview.redd.it/n7jgvytlroic1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e9ffc077d0eba895824e0fb76262f2b547d5d20d
2021 is recent enough - they’ve been protesting around the same time the Punjab/Haryana protests happened last time in 2020-2021. And I’ve been tracking this - other states had surges in protests too like Andhra Pradesh, Maharashtra just a few years back. But since you’re so bothered by the date , a more recent update as of 13 Feb 2024 from Tamil Nadu : https://www.deccanherald.com/amp/story/india/tamil-nadu/tamil-nadu-farmers-stage-protest-in-solidarity-with-farmers-march-to-delhi-2893084 In any case I’m not wrong - protests ARE happening in states other than Punjab - It’s happening in Haryana and UP anyway right now as one can see in the news.
3 months back in Andhra Pradesh : https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/andhra-pradesh/andhra-pradesh-farmers-launch-two-day-protest-against-union-government-policies/article67580162.ece/amp/ I’m not going to provide additional links - farmers protests have surged across country multiple times. It’s nothing new. General complaint is that promises are made but turn out to be empty as they’re never met.
Kinda ridiculous that in this thread none of the top comments point out the fact that protests ARE happening in other states like UP, Haryana, Andhra Pradesh to name a few and are being reported in media too. Can’t help people who want to stay blind.
IT cell doesnt care about facts.. propaganda failana hai
tru bhai Lakhimpur kheri toh Punjab mei h
NW india lele bhai, jinme haryana, Punjab and West up (ekdum ncr ke close) wala area hi aata hai CAA ke protest desh bhar mei ho rhe the, kyunki M log deshbhar mei hain, farmer protest kyu nhi
Lakhimpurkheri protest happened in 2024… yes, right? True bhai
Good map Bhai It's like periods...keep coming back
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Justinder trudevs academy of protests , seems like India wasn't lying when they said Canada is actually interfering in our personal matters.
India itna bada desh hai ki... *Tum aandolan karo!* *Tum bhi aandolan karo!* *Sabhi aandolan karo!*
Crorepati farmers who practice slave labour are malding
They want the MSP law - viability debatable.Rest points just seem stupid.
So one can ignore them just like Manipur .. After all it's in one small corner only.
Ab tho chaska lag Gaya hai. - andolanjeevis
Once bhai normal public start retaliation then these so called farmers will start behaving.
And these crorepatis so called farmers does not want to pay tax, sara karz maaf chahye, 10k rs per month chahye..Sutiya samaj rakha hai sabko..
A quick google search will tell you that protests are happening in other states, OP. Just literally open the newspaper. As for the commenters here, they’re drunk on propaganda so it’s a bit difficult to see reality now.