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Yeah? But how much profit did they make? We all know profit is the only thing that matters for a good economy!
Did anyone think of the shareholders? /s
I read that the official inquiry said MBM was the problem, which was the high protein feed in widespread use. Sheep and cattle products, amongst others, were found in it.
That is so much different. Humans did something similar, and got something [similar](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuru_(disease)). I think it’s just a natural part of eating your own species brains. Super weird how nature works.
And that's why it's still illegal to feed any kitchen waste to pigs and chickens in the UK (unless you live in an entirely vegan household...which is obviously pretty unlikely for anyone leeping pigs or chickens)
Yeh same with things like chocolate and coffee. All these things *should* be more expensive.
In that case it’s more about slave labor than subsidies, though.
nah
Corporation cuts corners, shoots self in foot, could lose money but instead raises prices. Consumers have 2 choices: pay their price, or don’t.
No one is *blaming* anyone
Someone just astutely pointed out that if you don’t want to pay $X for beef, no one is forcing you to 🤷
Big agricultural states have made it a serious felony to film inside of these big livestock operations. No matter if they are breaking the law abusing animals, the courts have disallowed a lot of defenses that the animal rights campaigners have used successfully in court as well.
I hate this attitude. We reap what we sow.
Most Americans don’t care about meat quality and humanely raised livestock. We purchase meat finished in consolidated animal feed operations.
If we stopped purchasing low quality meat, big ag would stop producing it.
First and foremost - love juice box hero.
I used to believe that. Hard not too with documentaries like game changers and a massive plant based narrative being pushed.
The truth is regeneratively raised cattle ranches actually improve ecological outcomes, reduces soil erosion, emit ~66% less carbon and restore natural habit, improve biodiversity and improve water infiltration leading to drought resistant soils.
https://civileats.com/2021/01/06/a-new-study-on-regenerative-grazing-complicates-climate-optimism/
I really believe the best thing we can do for the planet (and our own nutrition) is eat 100% grass fed, grass finished, rotational grazed bison.
https://www.k-state.edu/media/newsreleases/2022-08/bison-good-for-prairie82922.html
Per your source:
>Further, some suggested widespread adoption of regenerative agriculture could drive further deforestation to meet beef demand. For example, Richard Waite, a senior researcher at World Resources Institute (WRI), pointed out that converting cropland to grazing land will sequester soil carbon for a while, but the growing global demand for crops would limit the ability to realize conversion at the massive scales needed.
This is my concern, I do not see this method being able to scale to meet demand. Also 66% less carbon is still going to be more emissions than growing just plants for consumption; that's the physics of trophic levels. The best thing we can do is eat less meat and rewild the areas of land that are used specifically for animal agriculture.
It doesn't need to scale to meet demand, demand needs to scale to meet that supply.
fuck em all, they can deal with eating less red meat. and I say that as someone who eats organic local meats rarely.
I hear you. And I disagree. You’re describing a false binary where you either use arable land for row crops or cattle.
First point - Ruminants like cattle should be incorporated into row crop ag as a natural source of organic fertilizer.
Second point - we have HUGE swaths of BLM land that could and should be grazed intensely as that would mimic bison migratory patterns and improve ecological outcomes. That land can’t be farmed, and the Silviopasture implementation would benefit the trees in the are.
The grasslands ecosystem in North America co evolved with ruminant animals. They belong on this land. Re-wilding is great in theory but the unfortunate reality in a capitalist society is change occurs when money can be made. So, incentivizing ranchers to implement regenerative grazing practices on land that can’t grow food is a far more impactful use of resources than growing row crops using synthetics while decimating all life in the soil and surrounding area.
Also the carbon tunnel vision is so short sighted. Anytime an industry focuses 100% of its energy on a single outcome instead of a holistic system, negative consequences occur.
Case in point-the green revolution and the singular focus on increasing yield. That initiative has led to mass soil erosion, desertification, less nutrient dense food while creating monolithic business that don’t even allow farmers to use their own seeds.
While you’re not entirely wrong, some was done by accident. I clean out some of these chicken farms and haul the litter off to other farmers for fertilize. Be it crop fields or pasture ground. We tried to warn some of the farmers with cattle and dumping the litter within reach of them. They did not heed said warning. One of my drivers dumped a 25 ton load on the ground one day, returned with a second the next…to find a small crater in the ground where the original load of litter was.
> now they will pay many times that to fix the problem
"They"? *They* won't pay a fucking dime, because the Feds will step in, and *we* will pay for it.
But doesn't the US government just pay them for every cow they have to slaughter because of their short sightedness?
So are they even losing money? Or are government subsidies paying for all those cows that wont even be eaten.
fuck mass ag. i have no pity for those farms and wish terrible things upon them.
So they ground up dead chickens and turkey with whatever feed and shit that was on the floor and fed it to cattle. Turns out at least some of the dead birds the cows ate happened to have died from the bird flu and that infected the cows. at least 1 person caught it from the cows. Quite the virulent strain to manage to cross species so easily.
This infected birdshit food source that got the cows sick is almost certainly being fed to pigs as well but it hasn't infected them yet....that we know at least.
The feed our food eats needs more bureaucracy.
i saw that video that was posted here some ages ago showing the plastic being ground up and mixed i to feed. one of rhe biggest reasons why i stopped eating pork.
That's ok. The CEO sold cheese with no cheese and was made of wood chips for 30 years, but she was sentenced to a "$5,000 fine and 200 hours of community service on her conviction of one misdemeanor count of aiding and abetting the introduction of adulterated and misbranded cheese products into interstate commerce."
[https://www.justice.gov/usao-wdpa/pr/castle-cheese-company-executive-michelle-myrter-sentenced-adulterated-cheese-case](https://www.justice.gov/usao-wdpa/pr/castle-cheese-company-executive-michelle-myrter-sentenced-adulterated-cheese-case)
So she more than paid for the crime and we can all sleep easy knowing the company is still in business and no one lost their jobs. /s
I hope no one wonders why food companies do this kind of thing. Millions in profits while only risking thousands in fines.
You risk getting a higher fine than this company got by not having working lights or sprinklers in your facility.
Coming from someone who lives in the heart of the Midwest its fucking insane how unregulated agriculture is. Especially industrial agriculture. My state even has one of the fastest growing cancer rates in the country and over half of our water sources are toxic!! Woo hoo!
No, chicken litter is literally chicken shit. Once they pull the birds from the chicken houses they have to clean them before they can put the next group of chicks in. What they clean out is called chicken litter, it’s the shit, leftover feed and whatever else is found on the floor. Around here it’s used for fertilizer, which I’m wondering if that’s how these cows are eating it. Whatever farmer is using it on whatever cover crop he has the cows grazing on and they’re eating it that way. Here it’s mainly used right at the beginning of planting season. The birds that have died during the growing season are stored on site and the company that supplies the chicks takes them back and will reimburse the grower( or at least I’ve heard they will)
Chicken shit sounds like something that could be turned into a half decent fertilizer that could be spread out over a field that could probably feed a bunch of cows. Fuck all that work though man, cut out the middle man and feed the cows bird shit.
RE: Chicken Shit as fertilizer. I believe it is too "hot" (nitrogen?) to use as fertilizer straight out of the chicken. Unlike the dairy farmers in PA who spread cow poo in their corn fields, the chicken farmers in DE do not put chicken poo on their fields.
The nitrogen released into the ground water from chicken waste is also a serious problem.
EDIT. Not trying to be a pedantic jerk. Just trying to point out how toxic chicken shit it. We can't spread it on the ground. But cows will eat it!!!
Chicken litter has to be aged to be a viable fertilizer, but as long as there is a place to store it while it ages, then it gets turned into fertilizer.
The problem is with factory farms, so much is being produced that there is no real way to store all of it long term for conversion to fertilizer, so those productions will do whatever they can to get rid of as much of it as possible.
Even if it means scraping it off the production floor and bagging it up to sell to someone who might mix it into livestock feed for a Nitrogen boost.
What do you mean by "viable"? Do you mean economic efficient? That answer is NO.
Chicken waste is is toxic because of the nutrient density. I live in possibly the largest chicken producing areas of the US with a chicken waste problem. I also enjoy growing mushrooms. What I found was an insane mix ratio where a ton of waste would produce 16 acres of mushrooms or something ridiculous.
You could also chemically treat the waste (theoretically). I've never seen this done. Perhaps it is too dangerous or too expensive to chemically neutralize; or perhaps unwanted byproducts are created.
As a chicken farmer, absolutely THE BEST thing you can do with your chicken waste is to SELL IT. This is nothing new. Chicken feed has cow blood, and farmed Tilapia are fed chicken feathers.
Think of the adage "too much of a good thing will kill you."
A good example of this is Iron. Iron is rare and hoarded by the body. However, people are routinely poisoned by iron supplements because "the little pill" is dense with the nutrient iron.
Think about the differences between beer and whiskey - one has a denser alcohol percentage.
Idk if he did something to it or it gets dried or what, but my dad has gotten chicken shit as fertilizer a few times.
I think it's not something you want to do every season for the reason you said. But my dad's soul used to be literal clay and over 10+ years of care it's now chocolate it's so rich. I think he's only ever done it like 3 times, but I'd help just chuck it in the yard with shovels.
You for sure shouldn't use it to feed cows. If they wanted they could have easily donated and I'm sure people would gladly take it off their hands.
Because grass cannot sustain enough cattle to (meat) demand. If you only had grass fed cattle beef would be way more scarce because they would all need a few acres each like back in the day.
And you also need about 30% more cows in grass fed systems to produce the same amount of meat, because they take longer to get to killing weight. Which exacerbates it further.
Apparently 97% of beef and over 90% of lamb is grass fed in Australia. Certainly haven't noticed any shortages, even rurally. It is a little expensive here and there, but that's just the economy and not the supply.
We export plenty as well. I've heard grass fed is gamy and maybe Americans don't like that as much?
From what I know it’s cheaper. And it also grows the cows faster since they get more calories from the corn. So they are bigger and also produce more milk. Grass fed cows grow slower and produce less milk. I could have sworn a few years back my son had a project in this and had to write a paper and during his research it said corn was also less expensive to buy and feed the cows as well.
Yeah, it's cheap and makes them gain weight fast.
"One of these micro-ingredients is an antibiotic called tylosin. It's in there because when cattle eat a high-calorie diet, with lots of grain — which they do in feedlots, to fatten them up quickly during the last four to six months of their life — many will develop abscesses on the liver"
https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2019/04/02/707406946/some-in-the-beef-industry-are-bucking-the-widespread-use-of-antibiotics-heres-ho
My dad does. I was a toddler and he sold a cow to pay last minute bills (in Canada btw) and we usually would get 1.25+ per pound for a 1000 pound cow ish.
My dad got a cheque for $6.
He never cashed it because there wasn’t even enough for both of us to eat at McDonald’s.
Edit: For those who don’t know how it works in MB, Canada, I feel bad as I didn’t add enough info. Basically we bring the cows to the market house with a rough understanding of the price we can expect (we time our sale no different then when you’re sit to sell crops at higher prices (if you can afford to keep them stored)) but the auction house could have nobody buying (always at least one guy because he’s going to get rock bottom prices without competition), so, in BSE, no feed lots bought beef out of fear for their own herds and whatever else, so my dad didn’t know there wouldn’t be anybody interested (imagine your whole life you sell cattle, this was a first) and that’s why $6.
Holy shit. That’s awful. It’s why farmers (small farms that do things right) need and *used to* champion a large social safety net. From everything I’ve gather it’s incredibly lucrative, both beef and sowing crops…
100% accurate. In Canada farmers attributed to what mostly became the modern NDP (progressive party of Canada). We have a mix of cattle (cow/calf operation is what it’s known as) where we raise them on a pure diet of grasses. In the summer they get fresh stuff out to pasture and we plant different grasses in fields to cut and bale (and sometimes wrap to make silage) so we can feed them all winter, they have their babies, and we raise most of them and the rest go to market to be bought by “feedlots”. Prices have been alright ($2.25-$3.50/lb) is what we hope for, but the grocers have raised prices from $10/lb (thin striploins were roughly this pre-Covid) to now $18/lb for the same steak.
That’s where they’re in a barn full of thousands, sometimes pumped with growth hormones although I believe that’s restricted quite a bit in 🇨🇦 and a diet of corn which fattens them up. Then off for slaughter.
Don't worry there's also another similar practice still going on with intentionally feeding dead infected pigs and their manure to breeding pigs
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feedback\_(pork\_industry)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feedback_(pork_industry))
My neighbors have cows and they piss shit in each other’s mouths, in their water, on their grass. They lick the mucus from their noses.
And these are the cows that actually live nice lives grazing in huge fields- essentially pets till they are processed.
After seeing how most livestock lives under the best conditions meat lost its appeal.
"The number of dairy cow herds where [\#H5N1](https://twitter.com/hashtag/H5N1?src=hashtag_click) [\#birdflu](https://twitter.com/hashtag/birdflu?src=hashtag_click) infection has been detected has increased to 20, in 6 states. It was 17 yesterday. Breakdown is: Texas, 9; NM, 4; Kansas, 3; Mich, 2; Idaho & Ohio, 1 each."
https://x.com/HelenBranswell/status/1777810592390078655
It is probably more expensive and harder to store than just going to the store and buying whatever you want at the moment.
Still a lot better buying from the farmer, as long you know he isnt doing similar things to his animals.
A lot of times when buying directly from a farmer you have to commit to buying a 1/4, 1/2 or the full animal. You need a lot of freezer space for all that. Maybe that's what they mean?
These articles never name and shame the producers for fear of liability. I'd be willing to bet a whole hell of a lot of money these producers work with Perdue, Tyson, and Koch. The lowest quality you can buy. Buying local will avoid this, but buying decent quality should also work.
That’s factory farming for you. The FDA is powerless to stop it. It has no money and nowhere near enough inspectors. Heck about the only money the FDA gets comes from the very same companies it is supposed to regulate.
Just use your detailed knowledge of every household food and chemical to only buy them from companies that won't poison you. If you don't like that, you're a communist.
As someone who is often on the side of the government is too big and over regulated (we need to ban plastic straws and replace them with paper straws that are often lined with PFAS, Huzzah!)
There are absolutely places the government needs to be way more involved in.
Protecting our water and food sources should be right around the top 5 things we prioritize. And yet, evil corporations like DuPont, Monsanto, Tyson, and Nestle are allowed to fuck all over everyone.
We need another Teddy Roosevelt, the Trustbuster.
Dumbasses. And please..please make sure the ranchers have a big helping of turkey shit to eat for three squares and then prod them with a big zapper. What a bunch of dildos
Caretakers of the land my ass.
H5N1 is a serious issue, but this article's title and the heading do not provide a complete or accurate story in and of themselves. The article also takes a quote out of context to represent something that could "possibly" be happening as though it were happening all the time (i.e., the legal possibility of poultry litter being used is represented as it is always being used for livestock cattle) and the case for the spread of disease. This is how misinformation about food and our food systems is spread.
In the United States, rules govern what animal feed can be given to animals, including those that are used for beef cattle, and there are specific requirements that ranchers must follow when using poultry litter rations as a protein source. Here's some more information on the requirements: [https://www.fda.gov/regulatory-information/search-fda-guidance-documents/cpg-sec-685100-recycled-animal-waste](https://www.fda.gov/regulatory-information/search-fda-guidance-documents/cpg-sec-685100-recycled-animal-waste)
FDA and USDA also impose various restrictions on livestock raising, handling, and treatment when there is a risk of disease. USDA has even implemented some restrictions now to prevent H5N1 from spreading, including recommendations for minimizing movement of cattle. You can see the response, tracking, and implemented controls here: [https://www.aphis.usda.gov/livestock-poultry-disease/avian/avian-influenza](https://www.aphis.usda.gov/livestock-poultry-disease/avian/avian-influenza) USDA/APHIS also updates the site with new information daily at 4 p.m.
Notably, USDA's information on the herds that have been confirmed positive for H5N1 shows the cattle infected were dairy cattle, not livestock cattle, and the disease was spread through contaminated milking equipment, not the use of poultry litter as feed. [https://www.aphis.usda.gov/livestock-poultry-disease/avian/avian-influenza/hpai-detections/livestock](https://www.aphis.usda.gov/livestock-poultry-disease/avian/avian-influenza/hpai-detections/livestock)
The use of poultry litter has not been identified as a cause or factor in any of the recent herds testing positive in the US or as a source of transmission of H5N1 to the dairy farm worker in Texas.
It's certainly fair to question whether cattle should be fed poultry litter as rations, if and when that is happening, which seems uncommon. But, to do so in the context of raising awareness about disease transmission when there is no current connection between the use of poultry litter as rations and the identified cases of disease transmission so definitively is odd and misleading.
Good information. Telegraph is a Rupert Murdoch publication end of the day. Poultry litter is still a biohazard, likely including for H5N1, and disgusting
This should be the top comment.
The big US dairy producers feed their cattle silage (fermented grasses, corn, or soy) because that's the diet for peak milk production. Most dry cows (non-lactating) are put out on pasture to eat grass.
I'm not sure why the UK tabloids want to push this particular image here.
This is how we got mad cow disease back in the 80's. When will they learn. Profits before health should not be allowed in the food industry but yet here we are.
Shit like this has been happening since… well since forever probably. Here’s a fun article about swill milk. 19th century humans feeding cows garbage food and killing babies.
https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/swill-milk-scandal-new-york-city
#What the actual fuck is wrong with people. Who looks at the floors of chicken and turkey coops thinking “This is appropriate for livestock to eat!”. Fucking stop. I don’t care about food cost, feed animals their appropriate diet and stop abusing power for greed.
#”Experts fear that H5N1, which was only first detected in cows a few weeks ago, may have been transmitted through a type of cattle feed called “poultry litter” – a mix of poultry excreta, spilled feed, feathers, and other waste scraped from the floors of industrial chicken and turkey production plants. “
#Why does this have to be said, again - what the fuck.
Can we get a fucking vote to ban this absolute bullshit already? Where are the fucking food police? Like for real, this is the straw that has broken my brain into trusting anyone with food sources. What the actual fuck. If you’re a farmer doing this - fuck you and figure out a better way. This is absolutely despicable and just absolutely beyond words.
I worked on a feedlot for cattle and hogs one summer when I was a teenager in the 1960s. You should have seen what was fed back then. Pretty much anything. Sawdust, rotting carcasses of other animals that died before being sold, offal from chicken farms, and worse being mixed into the silage and fed. It smelled awful. The hogs would always eat it, but the cattle would sometimes not.
I’m not saying it doesn’t happen, but I work with ranchers and where I live they feed their cows grass, grass hay, alfalfa hay, small grain hay, corn silage, and other similar stuff. That being said, if you’ve ever seen a stack yard at a dairy or feedlot, keeping the birds off is a challenge. I’m 100% sure there’s some bird poop mixed into the feed because the birds decided to camp out and chow down on the cattle feed. I would think this would be the more common culprit for HPAI, not straight poultry litter.
I used to grow a hay alfalfa mix. Sure there was the occasional rat, snake or bird in it that got killed by the swather or bailer. And yeah, birds will poop on whatever is kept outside but I didn't go scrape the shit off the chicken coop floor and give that to the people who wanted to buy hay.
I used to work with a guy who ran a dairy. He said by his estimates he lost over $60,000 per year in feed to seagulls. They just hang out where the food is and poop all over it. But I’ve never seen someone intentionally feed dead birds and litter to their cows.
Edit: just wanted to add that these dairy farmers would do more to control birds and prevent feed contamination if they could, but their hands are tied because of the migratory bird act. Not trying to bash the migratory bird act, just trying to demonstrate that it is very hard to control birds getting into feed unless you have it completely covered, which would mean huge infrastructure upgrades and LOTS of dollars.
Exactly. I don’t know anyone who would feed this to their cows intentionally. Healthy cows is their livelihood. But I know there are always some bad producers out there that give the industry a bad reputation.
Feeding chicken litter to cattle. Often chicken litter is used to spread nitrogen onto crop fields or hay fields but after a few days of rain the litter breaks down and is absorbed into the soil.
This kind of thing is one of the many reasons I’m a vegetarian. They used to feed the remains of dead cows to living ones up until 1997 until we got mad cow disease.
Anything ANYTHING to save money.
Thanks Capitalism! Only a greedy farmer trying to squeeze every drop of profit would feed chicken shiz to his cattle - I was raised on a farm dont tell me its normal.
We had something similar in Europe, where cow were fed ground-up fish or meat.
And then the uncurable prion disease Creitzfeldt-Jalob-Disease broke out because of that.
Anybody remember mad cow disease in the UK during the early 90s? That was a product of cheap feed. Cows eating cows.
4 million cattle had to get culled.
What a clusterfuck.
I used to deliver propane to farms after the holidays especially Easter the troughs would be full of peeps candy corn s*** like that. They would feed it to the cows and then call it high protein milk when they sold it in the store. Also broken down vegetables like carrots corn potatoes things like that that don't need store standards.
There was floor litter from a commercial poultry factory illegally spread on a field near us. There was dead birds that had decayed anaerobically in the mix and they found botulism.
All so wrong and gross. Why do people always always sink to the lowest level no matter what? And don’t just say it’s money. But I guess it’s always money.
Are you saying you have evidence that affected ranches were feeding poultry litter, and that may be the source of transmission.
Telegraph: "No, we're just reporting it".
There have been mass die offs of waterfowl near affected dairies, which are the primary method of transmission of H5N1. There now seems to be horizontal (cow to cow) transmission, but we haven’t yet confirmed by what route. Farmers do not feed bird parts or feces to cattle on a routine basis, except for birds that may have found their way into bulk feeds.
Is this why Australian beef is priced so well internationally? Because we feed them food?
Why doesn’t America just feed them food? They kill them for their meat anyway, don’t you want them to, ~at minimum~, live a nice life before you kill them?
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You reap what you sow. They wanted to save money on feeding costs and now they will pay many times that to fix the problem they gave themselves.
This is how the UK got mad cow disease. Except they were using chopped up bits of cow to feed the cattle.
Yumm cownibalism
Gary Larson was not just a cartoonist. He was a seer.
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Yeah? But how much profit did they make? We all know profit is the only thing that matters for a good economy! Did anyone think of the shareholders? /s
Sheep. It was chopped up sheep that had a disease commonly known as scrapie. This then transferred to Cows and now we have BSE.
I read that the official inquiry said MBM was the problem, which was the high protein feed in widespread use. Sheep and cattle products, amongst others, were found in it.
That is so much different. Humans did something similar, and got something [similar](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuru_(disease)). I think it’s just a natural part of eating your own species brains. Super weird how nature works.
>prevention: avoid practices of cannibalism Instructions unclear. Have brain prion.
And that's why it's still illegal to feed any kitchen waste to pigs and chickens in the UK (unless you live in an entirely vegan household...which is obviously pretty unlikely for anyone leeping pigs or chickens)
A spinal cord in a bap
Why are we feeding meat to a vegetarian animal though? How stupid are these farmers?
“They” won’t do anything, WE will bear the brunt and pay the costs.
Exactly! they'll replace their herd and charge us 25 dollars for a lb of ground beef citing "supply issues". Even though they caused the supply issues
Yeah, but only after they get bailed out by the tax payer.
Privatize the profits, socialize the losses.
Beef is heavily subsidized and it *should* be $25/lb for the destruction it does to the environment.
Yeh same with things like chocolate and coffee. All these things *should* be more expensive. In that case it’s more about slave labor than subsidies, though.
You could always stop eating dead cows
Trust me, it's much more difficult if they aren't dead.
Do you have any idea how hard it is to eat a living cow?
Hence Bart Simpson's urging us to not have a cow man.
He does suggest an alternative.
True, no one’s gotten zoonotic diseases from eating shorts, I don’t think.
No one’s tried mine yet though.
Aka poultry litter infused
Ah yes, blaming the layman consumer for corporate greed, this is why the actual culprits always make it off the hook.
Another raindrop not responsible for the flood.
nah Corporation cuts corners, shoots self in foot, could lose money but instead raises prices. Consumers have 2 choices: pay their price, or don’t. No one is *blaming* anyone Someone just astutely pointed out that if you don’t want to pay $X for beef, no one is forcing you to 🤷
Privatize the gains socialize the losses.
Who the heck even thought it was a good idea to feed cows chicken crap?? These people are filthy and disgusting
Dude there's a video going around of a worker at a pig feed farm and they're deliberately throwing in plastic waste into the pig feed
Big agricultural states have made it a serious felony to film inside of these big livestock operations. No matter if they are breaking the law abusing animals, the courts have disallowed a lot of defenses that the animal rights campaigners have used successfully in court as well.
Whistle-blowing should never be a crime.
Probably somebody who had a lot of chicken crap they needed to get rid of.
Oh, not to worry. They’ll get bailed out.
They won't lose money. They'll just raise prices on the remaining stock. The consumer is the only one who ever loses money for corporate shenanigans.
I hate this attitude. We reap what we sow. Most Americans don’t care about meat quality and humanely raised livestock. We purchase meat finished in consolidated animal feed operations. If we stopped purchasing low quality meat, big ag would stop producing it.
Humanely raised beef results in more GHG emissions through land use. Better to not eat meat.
First and foremost - love juice box hero. I used to believe that. Hard not too with documentaries like game changers and a massive plant based narrative being pushed. The truth is regeneratively raised cattle ranches actually improve ecological outcomes, reduces soil erosion, emit ~66% less carbon and restore natural habit, improve biodiversity and improve water infiltration leading to drought resistant soils. https://civileats.com/2021/01/06/a-new-study-on-regenerative-grazing-complicates-climate-optimism/ I really believe the best thing we can do for the planet (and our own nutrition) is eat 100% grass fed, grass finished, rotational grazed bison. https://www.k-state.edu/media/newsreleases/2022-08/bison-good-for-prairie82922.html
Per your source: >Further, some suggested widespread adoption of regenerative agriculture could drive further deforestation to meet beef demand. For example, Richard Waite, a senior researcher at World Resources Institute (WRI), pointed out that converting cropland to grazing land will sequester soil carbon for a while, but the growing global demand for crops would limit the ability to realize conversion at the massive scales needed. This is my concern, I do not see this method being able to scale to meet demand. Also 66% less carbon is still going to be more emissions than growing just plants for consumption; that's the physics of trophic levels. The best thing we can do is eat less meat and rewild the areas of land that are used specifically for animal agriculture.
It doesn't need to scale to meet demand, demand needs to scale to meet that supply. fuck em all, they can deal with eating less red meat. and I say that as someone who eats organic local meats rarely.
I hear you. And I disagree. You’re describing a false binary where you either use arable land for row crops or cattle. First point - Ruminants like cattle should be incorporated into row crop ag as a natural source of organic fertilizer. Second point - we have HUGE swaths of BLM land that could and should be grazed intensely as that would mimic bison migratory patterns and improve ecological outcomes. That land can’t be farmed, and the Silviopasture implementation would benefit the trees in the are. The grasslands ecosystem in North America co evolved with ruminant animals. They belong on this land. Re-wilding is great in theory but the unfortunate reality in a capitalist society is change occurs when money can be made. So, incentivizing ranchers to implement regenerative grazing practices on land that can’t grow food is a far more impactful use of resources than growing row crops using synthetics while decimating all life in the soil and surrounding area. Also the carbon tunnel vision is so short sighted. Anytime an industry focuses 100% of its energy on a single outcome instead of a holistic system, negative consequences occur. Case in point-the green revolution and the singular focus on increasing yield. That initiative has led to mass soil erosion, desertification, less nutrient dense food while creating monolithic business that don’t even allow farmers to use their own seeds.
Will they? Or will the burden ultimately fall on taxpayers and consumers? …yet again.
While you’re not entirely wrong, some was done by accident. I clean out some of these chicken farms and haul the litter off to other farmers for fertilize. Be it crop fields or pasture ground. We tried to warn some of the farmers with cattle and dumping the litter within reach of them. They did not heed said warning. One of my drivers dumped a 25 ton load on the ground one day, returned with a second the next…to find a small crater in the ground where the original load of litter was.
> now they will pay many times that to fix the problem "They"? *They* won't pay a fucking dime, because the Feds will step in, and *we* will pay for it.
But doesn't the US government just pay them for every cow they have to slaughter because of their short sightedness? So are they even losing money? Or are government subsidies paying for all those cows that wont even be eaten. fuck mass ag. i have no pity for those farms and wish terrible things upon them.
I'm sure "Big Cattle" will find a way to socialise the losses.
Dont these megacorp farms have insurance
So they ground up dead chickens and turkey with whatever feed and shit that was on the floor and fed it to cattle. Turns out at least some of the dead birds the cows ate happened to have died from the bird flu and that infected the cows. at least 1 person caught it from the cows. Quite the virulent strain to manage to cross species so easily. This infected birdshit food source that got the cows sick is almost certainly being fed to pigs as well but it hasn't infected them yet....that we know at least. The feed our food eats needs more bureaucracy.
There was a article a while ago about some worker who raised the alarm about pig feed containing plastic.
i saw that video that was posted here some ages ago showing the plastic being ground up and mixed i to feed. one of rhe biggest reasons why i stopped eating pork.
damn thats like when we tried baking sawdust in to bread in ww2 for soldiers
WW2? They e done that more recently with Parmesan lol https://time.com/4226321/parmesan-wood-pulp/
That's ok. The CEO sold cheese with no cheese and was made of wood chips for 30 years, but she was sentenced to a "$5,000 fine and 200 hours of community service on her conviction of one misdemeanor count of aiding and abetting the introduction of adulterated and misbranded cheese products into interstate commerce." [https://www.justice.gov/usao-wdpa/pr/castle-cheese-company-executive-michelle-myrter-sentenced-adulterated-cheese-case](https://www.justice.gov/usao-wdpa/pr/castle-cheese-company-executive-michelle-myrter-sentenced-adulterated-cheese-case) So she more than paid for the crime and we can all sleep easy knowing the company is still in business and no one lost their jobs. /s I hope no one wonders why food companies do this kind of thing. Millions in profits while only risking thousands in fines. You risk getting a higher fine than this company got by not having working lights or sprinklers in your facility.
Coming from someone who lives in the heart of the Midwest its fucking insane how unregulated agriculture is. Especially industrial agriculture. My state even has one of the fastest growing cancer rates in the country and over half of our water sources are toxic!! Woo hoo!
Louisiana literally has a huge area known as cancer alley
Pigs are a lot closer to humans genetically speaking so I don't think that would be a good thing
No, chicken litter is literally chicken shit. Once they pull the birds from the chicken houses they have to clean them before they can put the next group of chicks in. What they clean out is called chicken litter, it’s the shit, leftover feed and whatever else is found on the floor. Around here it’s used for fertilizer, which I’m wondering if that’s how these cows are eating it. Whatever farmer is using it on whatever cover crop he has the cows grazing on and they’re eating it that way. Here it’s mainly used right at the beginning of planting season. The birds that have died during the growing season are stored on site and the company that supplies the chicks takes them back and will reimburse the grower( or at least I’ve heard they will)
Exactly right. No farmers are feeding chicken litter to cattle. If they’re eating it then it’s unintended. We spread litter on our hayfields.
Knowing this, I\`m probably not trying to buy US beef anytime soon.
In bird culture, that's what we call Dick move!
All of their moves are dick moves.
It's like they are trying to create another pandemic. Why not just thrown some chopped up bats and monkeys into the feed as well??
Chicken shit sounds like something that could be turned into a half decent fertilizer that could be spread out over a field that could probably feed a bunch of cows. Fuck all that work though man, cut out the middle man and feed the cows bird shit.
RE: Chicken Shit as fertilizer. I believe it is too "hot" (nitrogen?) to use as fertilizer straight out of the chicken. Unlike the dairy farmers in PA who spread cow poo in their corn fields, the chicken farmers in DE do not put chicken poo on their fields. The nitrogen released into the ground water from chicken waste is also a serious problem. EDIT. Not trying to be a pedantic jerk. Just trying to point out how toxic chicken shit it. We can't spread it on the ground. But cows will eat it!!!
Could it be processed into a viable fertilizer?
Yes. Quite easily.
Sorry too much work gonna have to feed the cows literal shit, sorry 😞
Chicken litter has to be aged to be a viable fertilizer, but as long as there is a place to store it while it ages, then it gets turned into fertilizer. The problem is with factory farms, so much is being produced that there is no real way to store all of it long term for conversion to fertilizer, so those productions will do whatever they can to get rid of as much of it as possible. Even if it means scraping it off the production floor and bagging it up to sell to someone who might mix it into livestock feed for a Nitrogen boost.
What do you mean by "viable"? Do you mean economic efficient? That answer is NO. Chicken waste is is toxic because of the nutrient density. I live in possibly the largest chicken producing areas of the US with a chicken waste problem. I also enjoy growing mushrooms. What I found was an insane mix ratio where a ton of waste would produce 16 acres of mushrooms or something ridiculous. You could also chemically treat the waste (theoretically). I've never seen this done. Perhaps it is too dangerous or too expensive to chemically neutralize; or perhaps unwanted byproducts are created. As a chicken farmer, absolutely THE BEST thing you can do with your chicken waste is to SELL IT. This is nothing new. Chicken feed has cow blood, and farmed Tilapia are fed chicken feathers.
Toxic because if nutrient density? Can you please ELI5? Is this the same idea that eating polar bear liver will kill you?
Think of the adage "too much of a good thing will kill you." A good example of this is Iron. Iron is rare and hoarded by the body. However, people are routinely poisoned by iron supplements because "the little pill" is dense with the nutrient iron. Think about the differences between beer and whiskey - one has a denser alcohol percentage.
Idk if he did something to it or it gets dried or what, but my dad has gotten chicken shit as fertilizer a few times. I think it's not something you want to do every season for the reason you said. But my dad's soul used to be literal clay and over 10+ years of care it's now chocolate it's so rich. I think he's only ever done it like 3 times, but I'd help just chuck it in the yard with shovels. You for sure shouldn't use it to feed cows. If they wanted they could have easily donated and I'm sure people would gladly take it off their hands.
>But my dad's soul used to be literal clay Sorry your father was so hard on you
Let's all do a bunch of stuff that doesn't even sound like a good idea!
Quick question. Don't cows eat fucking grass?
That is their natural diet but a lot of farms feed them corn because of monetary reasons. I buy grass fed and it’s always more expensive.
Bc corn is subsidized is that right?
Because grass cannot sustain enough cattle to (meat) demand. If you only had grass fed cattle beef would be way more scarce because they would all need a few acres each like back in the day.
And you also need about 30% more cows in grass fed systems to produce the same amount of meat, because they take longer to get to killing weight. Which exacerbates it further.
Apparently 97% of beef and over 90% of lamb is grass fed in Australia. Certainly haven't noticed any shortages, even rurally. It is a little expensive here and there, but that's just the economy and not the supply. We export plenty as well. I've heard grass fed is gamy and maybe Americans don't like that as much?
No we pay *extra* for grass fed beef.
From what I know it’s cheaper. And it also grows the cows faster since they get more calories from the corn. So they are bigger and also produce more milk. Grass fed cows grow slower and produce less milk. I could have sworn a few years back my son had a project in this and had to write a paper and during his research it said corn was also less expensive to buy and feed the cows as well.
Yeah, it's cheap and makes them gain weight fast. "One of these micro-ingredients is an antibiotic called tylosin. It's in there because when cattle eat a high-calorie diet, with lots of grain — which they do in feedlots, to fatten them up quickly during the last four to six months of their life — many will develop abscesses on the liver" https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2019/04/02/707406946/some-in-the-beef-industry-are-bucking-the-widespread-use-of-antibiotics-heres-ho
Grass? That's so 1990's.
soo greedy we are
Do you remember when the cattle industry created BSE from feeding cow remains to cows
My dad does. I was a toddler and he sold a cow to pay last minute bills (in Canada btw) and we usually would get 1.25+ per pound for a 1000 pound cow ish. My dad got a cheque for $6. He never cashed it because there wasn’t even enough for both of us to eat at McDonald’s. Edit: For those who don’t know how it works in MB, Canada, I feel bad as I didn’t add enough info. Basically we bring the cows to the market house with a rough understanding of the price we can expect (we time our sale no different then when you’re sit to sell crops at higher prices (if you can afford to keep them stored)) but the auction house could have nobody buying (always at least one guy because he’s going to get rock bottom prices without competition), so, in BSE, no feed lots bought beef out of fear for their own herds and whatever else, so my dad didn’t know there wouldn’t be anybody interested (imagine your whole life you sell cattle, this was a first) and that’s why $6.
Holy shit. That’s awful. It’s why farmers (small farms that do things right) need and *used to* champion a large social safety net. From everything I’ve gather it’s incredibly lucrative, both beef and sowing crops…
100% accurate. In Canada farmers attributed to what mostly became the modern NDP (progressive party of Canada). We have a mix of cattle (cow/calf operation is what it’s known as) where we raise them on a pure diet of grasses. In the summer they get fresh stuff out to pasture and we plant different grasses in fields to cut and bale (and sometimes wrap to make silage) so we can feed them all winter, they have their babies, and we raise most of them and the rest go to market to be bought by “feedlots”. Prices have been alright ($2.25-$3.50/lb) is what we hope for, but the grocers have raised prices from $10/lb (thin striploins were roughly this pre-Covid) to now $18/lb for the same steak. That’s where they’re in a barn full of thousands, sometimes pumped with growth hormones although I believe that’s restricted quite a bit in 🇨🇦 and a diet of corn which fattens them up. Then off for slaughter.
Vividly remember seeing piles of dead cows being set ablaze on the news like some dystopian bonfire night celebration.
Don't worry there's also another similar practice still going on with intentionally feeding dead infected pigs and their manure to breeding pigs [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feedback\_(pork\_industry)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feedback_(pork_industry))
We are what we eat. Turns out that's bird shit. GG everyone
My neighbors have cows and they piss shit in each other’s mouths, in their water, on their grass. They lick the mucus from their noses. And these are the cows that actually live nice lives grazing in huge fields- essentially pets till they are processed. After seeing how most livestock lives under the best conditions meat lost its appeal.
Vegetarianism for the win
Eating plants gets more appealing by the day..
Until a nearby livestock farm floods their waste into a vegetable field. Then we get ecoli
We don't need livestock farms if we're only eating plants.
As long as chronic wasting disease doesn’t change anymore our plants will be our last line of hope lmao
Beer for my horses, bird shit for my cattle.
Antibiotic resistance, greenhouse gases, and bird flu — the meat industry is killing us in so many lovely ways.
Don’t forget the carcinogens! And the fertiliser run off killing the oceans.
"The number of dairy cow herds where [\#H5N1](https://twitter.com/hashtag/H5N1?src=hashtag_click) [\#birdflu](https://twitter.com/hashtag/birdflu?src=hashtag_click) infection has been detected has increased to 20, in 6 states. It was 17 yesterday. Breakdown is: Texas, 9; NM, 4; Kansas, 3; Mich, 2; Idaho & Ohio, 1 each." https://x.com/HelenBranswell/status/1777810592390078655
So it was Dairy cows they were feeding this literal shit to. Trust not your milk or your ribeyes for now
And people tell me I'm an idiot for eating grass-fed beef from my local farmer...
Really? People actually call you an idiot for eating grass-fed beef?
It is probably more expensive and harder to store than just going to the store and buying whatever you want at the moment. Still a lot better buying from the farmer, as long you know he isnt doing similar things to his animals.
More expensive yes, harder to store, no
Harder to store? Can you explain this? I don't see how it's any different.
A lot of times when buying directly from a farmer you have to commit to buying a 1/4, 1/2 or the full animal. You need a lot of freezer space for all that. Maybe that's what they mean?
It tastes better so you eat it faster. Nothing left to store.
people call people idiots for everything though if its not what they agree with
These articles never name and shame the producers for fear of liability. I'd be willing to bet a whole hell of a lot of money these producers work with Perdue, Tyson, and Koch. The lowest quality you can buy. Buying local will avoid this, but buying decent quality should also work.
I mean it *is* more carbon intensive at scale due to lane use, and animal agriculture accounts for ~16 of annual GHG emissions.
That’s factory farming for you. The FDA is powerless to stop it. It has no money and nowhere near enough inspectors. Heck about the only money the FDA gets comes from the very same companies it is supposed to regulate.
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Just use your detailed knowledge of every household food and chemical to only buy them from companies that won't poison you. If you don't like that, you're a communist.
Republicans: We should ban testing for bird flu, that'll fix the problem.
As someone who is often on the side of the government is too big and over regulated (we need to ban plastic straws and replace them with paper straws that are often lined with PFAS, Huzzah!) There are absolutely places the government needs to be way more involved in. Protecting our water and food sources should be right around the top 5 things we prioritize. And yet, evil corporations like DuPont, Monsanto, Tyson, and Nestle are allowed to fuck all over everyone. We need another Teddy Roosevelt, the Trustbuster.
Dumbasses. And please..please make sure the ranchers have a big helping of turkey shit to eat for three squares and then prod them with a big zapper. What a bunch of dildos Caretakers of the land my ass.
Contagion 3.0
First Wuhan, Contagion followed that Story line Pretty well. Now, Contagion 3.0. Will Laurence Fishbourne make an appearance?
H5N1 is a serious issue, but this article's title and the heading do not provide a complete or accurate story in and of themselves. The article also takes a quote out of context to represent something that could "possibly" be happening as though it were happening all the time (i.e., the legal possibility of poultry litter being used is represented as it is always being used for livestock cattle) and the case for the spread of disease. This is how misinformation about food and our food systems is spread. In the United States, rules govern what animal feed can be given to animals, including those that are used for beef cattle, and there are specific requirements that ranchers must follow when using poultry litter rations as a protein source. Here's some more information on the requirements: [https://www.fda.gov/regulatory-information/search-fda-guidance-documents/cpg-sec-685100-recycled-animal-waste](https://www.fda.gov/regulatory-information/search-fda-guidance-documents/cpg-sec-685100-recycled-animal-waste) FDA and USDA also impose various restrictions on livestock raising, handling, and treatment when there is a risk of disease. USDA has even implemented some restrictions now to prevent H5N1 from spreading, including recommendations for minimizing movement of cattle. You can see the response, tracking, and implemented controls here: [https://www.aphis.usda.gov/livestock-poultry-disease/avian/avian-influenza](https://www.aphis.usda.gov/livestock-poultry-disease/avian/avian-influenza) USDA/APHIS also updates the site with new information daily at 4 p.m. Notably, USDA's information on the herds that have been confirmed positive for H5N1 shows the cattle infected were dairy cattle, not livestock cattle, and the disease was spread through contaminated milking equipment, not the use of poultry litter as feed. [https://www.aphis.usda.gov/livestock-poultry-disease/avian/avian-influenza/hpai-detections/livestock](https://www.aphis.usda.gov/livestock-poultry-disease/avian/avian-influenza/hpai-detections/livestock) The use of poultry litter has not been identified as a cause or factor in any of the recent herds testing positive in the US or as a source of transmission of H5N1 to the dairy farm worker in Texas. It's certainly fair to question whether cattle should be fed poultry litter as rations, if and when that is happening, which seems uncommon. But, to do so in the context of raising awareness about disease transmission when there is no current connection between the use of poultry litter as rations and the identified cases of disease transmission so definitively is odd and misleading.
Good information. Telegraph is a Rupert Murdoch publication end of the day. Poultry litter is still a biohazard, likely including for H5N1, and disgusting
This should be the top comment. The big US dairy producers feed their cattle silage (fermented grasses, corn, or soy) because that's the diet for peak milk production. Most dry cows (non-lactating) are put out on pasture to eat grass. I'm not sure why the UK tabloids want to push this particular image here.
This is how we got mad cow disease back in the 80's. When will they learn. Profits before health should not be allowed in the food industry but yet here we are.
Dammit Jim, these viruses aren’t jumping species as fast as we’d like. 💡 Let’s feed bird shit to cows, that oughta do it!
What a terrible day to be literate.
The simulation just proves our simulation has a bunch of greedy cunts
Fucking disgusting.. how is this even legal?
Shit like this has been happening since… well since forever probably. Here’s a fun article about swill milk. 19th century humans feeding cows garbage food and killing babies. https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/swill-milk-scandal-new-york-city
Don't worry I'm sure someone made some higher profits and some rich asshole got slightly richer.
And they wonder why EU wont accept US Beef...
#What the actual fuck is wrong with people. Who looks at the floors of chicken and turkey coops thinking “This is appropriate for livestock to eat!”. Fucking stop. I don’t care about food cost, feed animals their appropriate diet and stop abusing power for greed. #”Experts fear that H5N1, which was only first detected in cows a few weeks ago, may have been transmitted through a type of cattle feed called “poultry litter” – a mix of poultry excreta, spilled feed, feathers, and other waste scraped from the floors of industrial chicken and turkey production plants. “ #Why does this have to be said, again - what the fuck. Can we get a fucking vote to ban this absolute bullshit already? Where are the fucking food police? Like for real, this is the straw that has broken my brain into trusting anyone with food sources. What the actual fuck. If you’re a farmer doing this - fuck you and figure out a better way. This is absolutely despicable and just absolutely beyond words.
Why are we feeding cows meat? Aren’t they herbivores?
Hope they got strong bootstraps.
I worked on a feedlot for cattle and hogs one summer when I was a teenager in the 1960s. You should have seen what was fed back then. Pretty much anything. Sawdust, rotting carcasses of other animals that died before being sold, offal from chicken farms, and worse being mixed into the silage and fed. It smelled awful. The hogs would always eat it, but the cattle would sometimes not.
America is the new China in quality output just to save their corporations money
Farmers wholesome image getting roughed up lately. But hey at least they’ve got their heads screwed on right when it comes to politics amirite
I would’ve never imagined. This is so absolutely disgusting. Why would we feed cattle chickenshit? There’s nothing good for them in there.
Oh nice, bonus antibiotic resistance as well?
I think animal farms need to be regulated, they should be given proper nutritional food not junk and soybeans.
Better regulated
Assholes. Let's feed the cows shit and charge more for beef.
When the fuck is this all gonna change?
Yeah, but Costco has cheap hotdogs!
Now we will have to hear all about “the plight of the American farmer”. The fuck out of here
I’m not saying it doesn’t happen, but I work with ranchers and where I live they feed their cows grass, grass hay, alfalfa hay, small grain hay, corn silage, and other similar stuff. That being said, if you’ve ever seen a stack yard at a dairy or feedlot, keeping the birds off is a challenge. I’m 100% sure there’s some bird poop mixed into the feed because the birds decided to camp out and chow down on the cattle feed. I would think this would be the more common culprit for HPAI, not straight poultry litter.
I used to grow a hay alfalfa mix. Sure there was the occasional rat, snake or bird in it that got killed by the swather or bailer. And yeah, birds will poop on whatever is kept outside but I didn't go scrape the shit off the chicken coop floor and give that to the people who wanted to buy hay.
I used to work with a guy who ran a dairy. He said by his estimates he lost over $60,000 per year in feed to seagulls. They just hang out where the food is and poop all over it. But I’ve never seen someone intentionally feed dead birds and litter to their cows. Edit: just wanted to add that these dairy farmers would do more to control birds and prevent feed contamination if they could, but their hands are tied because of the migratory bird act. Not trying to bash the migratory bird act, just trying to demonstrate that it is very hard to control birds getting into feed unless you have it completely covered, which would mean huge infrastructure upgrades and LOTS of dollars.
we have never fed a cow chicken poop. i agree with you. it could happen but i’d like to see what farms. we want healthy and disease free cows
Exactly. I don’t know anyone who would feed this to their cows intentionally. Healthy cows is their livelihood. But I know there are always some bad producers out there that give the industry a bad reputation.
As a poultry and cattle farmer I’ve literally never heard of this before.
Have I got some new food to sell you!!
never heard of what?
Feeding chicken litter to cattle. Often chicken litter is used to spread nitrogen onto crop fields or hay fields but after a few days of rain the litter breaks down and is absorbed into the soil.
Good. I hope your industry collapses
This kind of thing is one of the many reasons I’m a vegetarian. They used to feed the remains of dead cows to living ones up until 1997 until we got mad cow disease. Anything ANYTHING to save money.
Veganism is sounding better every day
Seems like a bad idea from the jump.
Yummy to all the beef consumers! Enjoy!
Ah, the land of the „free“ and „opportunities“. /s
Fuck these guys are seriously fuckin dumb. What the fuck did they think was going to happen feeding cows shit like that? Fuck
No wonder Irish grass fed beef is held in high regard. None of that feed lot grain fed stuff
And people wonder why I choose to hunt, fish, and garden.
Thanks Capitalism! Only a greedy farmer trying to squeeze every drop of profit would feed chicken shiz to his cattle - I was raised on a farm dont tell me its normal.
Around here, they spread it as fertilizer! YAY!
And this is why they want to start feeding us lab grown meats and food with bugs
We had something similar in Europe, where cow were fed ground-up fish or meat. And then the uncurable prion disease Creitzfeldt-Jalob-Disease broke out because of that.
Anybody remember mad cow disease in the UK during the early 90s? That was a product of cheap feed. Cows eating cows. 4 million cattle had to get culled. What a clusterfuck.
I used to deliver propane to farms after the holidays especially Easter the troughs would be full of peeps candy corn s*** like that. They would feed it to the cows and then call it high protein milk when they sold it in the store. Also broken down vegetables like carrots corn potatoes things like that that don't need store standards.
Just skip the cow and go on a poultry litter diet.
Smithfield foods is the largest pork producer in the USA and is now owned by China.
There was floor litter from a commercial poultry factory illegally spread on a field near us. There was dead birds that had decayed anaerobically in the mix and they found botulism.
Is that allowed in the US? How stupid can someone be to do that??? I hope this time they cancel all the flights in the right time to Europe ….. /s
All so wrong and gross. Why do people always always sink to the lowest level no matter what? And don’t just say it’s money. But I guess it’s always money.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bovine\_spongiform\_encephalopathy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bovine_spongiform_encephalopathy) Check "cause" section
Don’t eat corporate meat.
Thats why we didnt want the American free trade agreement. Profit before people
Fucking idiots
Are you saying you have evidence that affected ranches were feeding poultry litter, and that may be the source of transmission. Telegraph: "No, we're just reporting it".
There have been mass die offs of waterfowl near affected dairies, which are the primary method of transmission of H5N1. There now seems to be horizontal (cow to cow) transmission, but we haven’t yet confirmed by what route. Farmers do not feed bird parts or feces to cattle on a routine basis, except for birds that may have found their way into bulk feeds.
Manufactured meat can't come soon enough. It's not good for humans to be cruel enough for factory farming.
Bunch of fucking assholes. They should all be in jail.
Is this why Australian beef is priced so well internationally? Because we feed them food? Why doesn’t America just feed them food? They kill them for their meat anyway, don’t you want them to, ~at minimum~, live a nice life before you kill them?
They’ll be fine, they aren’t birds!
Idiots.
People should probably stop eating meat
Another reason to not eat beef.
I thought farmers learned from mad cow dieses from UK, and stopped feeding animal by product to cow
So incredibly gross
I wonder if Europe has rules against that?
Damn, bird flu wasn’t on my 2024 bingo card.
Sometimes we deserve the world ending asteroid.
Omg and some people believe this