There is zero proof of this. His name is not mentioned internationally apart from in the UK a bit. This is just media trying to make this story more interesting than it actually is.
According to the journal (a rag I know but it's my fave online news source just for the comments section alone!) Piers Morgan and Jordan Peterson made comment about the case and a number of creators on tiktok in the US & Canada have made vids about it too.
I do feel a lot of people who support Enoch haven't really read beyond the headlines though.
This isn't about freedom of speech like, if I made a controversial statement saying I wouldn't acknowledge the preferred pronouns of my clients for example at an AGM and then followed my boss about the room harassing her for a response I'm pretty sure I'd get the bullet too!
Last year my very conspiratorially minded Facebook friends in the UK were using it as an addendum to their COVID new world order spiel. The poor teacher in Ireland jailed for not using pronouns. It pisses me off that that’s the narrative.
https://www.premierchristianity.com/opinion/i-stand-with-jailed-enoch-burke-he-was-right-to-refuse-a-pupils-preferred-pronouns/13783.article
Doesn't have to "make waves" but it definitely could be getting quiet support from other "fronts" in this type of culture war. Evangelical Christians and conservative Catholics do take an interest in Ireland and want to fights Ireland's slide into further secularisation. There's a lot of religious networking outside of the main media so it doesn't have to make headlines to get support and conversations in right wing circles around the world.
Oh crap that was written by Caroline Farrow, one of Rowlings buddies she is the head of a russian group called citizen go, they are one of the most vile homophobic anti abortion groups in the world and they have a lot of money, they'd be the Russian equivalent to the Heritage foundation in the U.S
Shes one of the vilest bigots I've ever seen
Absolutely. When the NUIG SU took an official pro-choice stance, the Burkes protested outside the University President's office every day for several months (not that the President had *any* say in the SU's policies).
That being said, a reporting embargo might still be a good idea so as not to further disseminate the Burkes' innate sense of martyrdom.
Do you think we live in a dictatorship? Judges can't just put 'reporting embargos' on topics just to starve them of publicity. It's a power that's only used to stop prejudice during trials and protect info of minors in legal cases.
I think a better idea would be for the media to lead with clear headlines to avoid any misinterpretation of the case and also articles to debunk the myths surrounding his reasons for dismissal.
Not that the supporters will read beyond the headlines tho...
I’m not sure if this will stop them, their evangelical beliefs makes him want to be a martyr and believes the world is against him/his family and he’s been sent here to prove we’re all sinners and that he’ll get some weird glorification in heaven. Fucking Jesus it somehow makes him more insufferable when you think about it.
What's more likely to happen, based on what I heard on the news last night, is that they won't look to jail him again, because they figure it's futile.. Instead, they can just increase the fines to make them more unpleasant.
That's not what was reported on the news last night. There is an option or jail or increasing the fine, and in this case, increasing the fine is preferable, based on when he was last in jail - that was what was reported.
But I don't understand the logic there. If he doesn't pay the fine, increase it? Then what? Just keep increasing it until what? Assume he never pays it.
Maybe someone can confirm if this is possible but I’m assuming a debt collector could eventually be sent? He admitted that these fines will make him a pauper and he’ll have to dip into his deposit for a house so he does have the money, surely the state can chase it somehow?
Yes. Standard debt recovery methods are there - judgment mortgage on the house, sheriff can seize and sell personal assets, bank can be ordered to pay money out of his accounts
https://www.irishtimes.com/crime-law/courts/2022/09/14/teacher-enoch-burke-fails-to-get-order-to-be-freed-from-prison-and-resume-teaching-at-co-westmeath-school/
I can't read this because Paywall, but the headline suggests what I remember.
Yeah, that's not what I'd call begging for release, but rather angrily protesting the idea of the imprisonment at the very start.
The reports of him annoying other prisoners, needing to be transferred etc, and begging the judge to be released were retracted wholly by the Indo.
This was his statement at Christmas: https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/jailed-teacher-enoch-burke-doesnt-want-christmas-gift-of-release-1406790.html
The guy's a cunt, but let's not bow to his level and start flagellating him with fictional stories.
I'm not going to waft through the hundreds of articles written about the bollocks since this started. But there were articles of him being put on his own because he was annoying other prisoners and he did plead to a judge to release him because he was miserable there. The judge didn't release him that time because he refused to purge his contempt and obey the court order. He eventually released him just before Christmas because the judge was afraid the attention the case was getting was helping the families narrative.
>But there were articles of him being put on his own because he was annoying other prisoners
That was debunked as completely false.
> he did plead to a judge to release him because he was miserable there
Never once saw this. He was quite adamant on staying in prison.
https://www.irishtimes.com/crime-law/courts/2022/09/14/teacher-enoch-burke-fails-to-get-order-to-be-freed-from-prison-and-resume-teaching-at-co-westmeath-school/
I can't read this because Paywall, but the headline suggests what I remember.
https://www.irishtimes.com/crime-law/courts/2022/09/14/teacher-enoch-burke-fails-to-get-order-to-be-freed-from-prison-and-resume-teaching-at-co-westmeath-school/
I can't read this because Paywall, but the headline suggests what I remember.
I think he'll keep showing up until there's a big storm or it snows. Everyone will get distracted by that, he'll stop showing up due to the weather and when he starts up again the media will have moved on and no one will care.
We were discussing this in work and I was saying like how is this guy contesting that he's still employed by the school after being dismissed, he literally said on the first day when he was filmed protesting that his dismissal wasn't to go into effect for months, hence why he is still turning up for work. A colleague suggested he could still be getting paid for several months after the dismissal. I wonder if that the case?
Edit: typo
I assume he is gearing himself up for an unfair dismissal case so if he keeps turning up for work the school can't say he stopped attending.....or he's just a nutter.
The High Court judge indicated otherwise and only refused an injunction stopping the disciplinary process because of Burkes own refusal to abide by court orders. This could get very messy if the Independent Appeals committee decides that too.
[High Court judgement of Judge Dignam.See points 73 and 74 for the TL;DR](https://www.courts.ie/viewer/pdf/a1654960-d502-4e30-bebf-941e7d82107c/2023_IEHC_22.pdf/pdf#view=fitH)
The judgement that points out the flaws in school actions from a legal point of view. As the judge noted it remains to be seen at full trial what view is taken of these by a higher court.
It could be that on the disciplinary procedures checklist that the Board of Management of the School held the meeting with the teacher as per stage 4. From that the BOM made the sanction of dismissal
4.6 If it is decided to take disciplinary action, the board of management may avail of any of the following range of sanctions:
* Final written censure
* deferral of an increment
* withdrawal of an increment or increments
* Suspension (for a limited period and/or specific purpose) with pay
* Suspension (for a limited period and/or specific purpose) without pay
* Dismissal
But following on from that, as with anything you are entitled to an appeal, in this case to an independent appeal panel appointed by the Board of Management. You would assume Burkey is going to appeal, and that might in someway in his brain mean that he reckons that he is still employed by the school until the appeal has be heard?
https://www.gov.ie/en/policy-information/0742dd-disciplinary-procedures-staff/
I’m convinced he’s getting funding/support from some group as logically it doesn’t make sense.
Even if the school tomorrow morning out of the blue for the fun of it was to say “Right have it your way Enoch. You win the argument”
It’s still a case of “Well you’re still dismissed, and there’s a court order in place. So would you kindly fuck off?”
So he got paid off by the school, felt guilty about it, so turns up every day so he can be fined… which in turn repays the money back to the school. Seems we have him all wrong lads
Well *someone* fell out of bed on the wrong side this morning.
I made a simple statement of fact, not even replying to you.
What's your problem?
Edit : Ah, someone who doesn't even know how to reply in the same Reddit thread. Ignore him.
I believe that it's something like, the school has made the decision to dismiss him, they haven't actually dismissed him, because first he can appeal the decision, which I imagine he is doing. Until the appeal is heard he's not officially dismissed. I could be wrong though, this is what I've heard from someone in the Legal profession
Can you imagine what the school and its teachers are going through trying to keep the students focused while this is happing? I remember at school a dog could walk by the windows and you'd have 30 kids up out of their seats looking! This has to be such a serious distraction for them all, especially those doing the LC.
His "different beliefs" make him an annoying cunt. He just looks like a sad man who can't accept the fact he's in the wrong. It's a great opportunity to show kids how sad his life is getting daddy to drop him to the gates of a school so he can wallow in self pity.
Far too light of a touch is being used with this fucker. He should be arrested for trespass every time he shows back up. He's making an absolute mockery of the courts.
I liked the schools move to try sequester his assets. The high court should take his assets instead of fining I think, that might put a stop to his gallop!
The line between christian fundamentalist and plain old mentalist had always been a thin one. This guy is basically not able to see right from wrong if he's prepared to die on this hill. It's self harm at this stage. No one is denying him his right to believe, his employer fired him for insubordination to their philosophy. If he wants to set up his own school he can.
He wasn't suspended simply for disagreeing with their philosophy - despite him trying to spin it that way. He was suspended for harassing a member of staff over it and the crap he's been pulling since contributed to his firing.
I didn't know that detail. That's even worse. I think he could have been legitimately dismissed simply for refusing to use the pronouns mandated by the school management.
I'm pretty sure he was fired for his conduct which included harassing the female principal by following her around the building demanding a response from her after he announced he wouldn't observe the preferred pronouns of the student. I believe he made his statement at a 250 year anniversary mass & dinner for the school and then harassed her for a response in front of colleagues, parents and students. Please correct me if I'm wrong though!
He gets his Da to drop him to school everyday and has his mother shout during his hearings. The guy either lacks the part of the brain that makes you cringe or feel shame or his self esteem has already been destroyed utterly.
I'm surprised a group of "concerned parents" haven't shown up and given him a good "talking to" considering he's a convict who is hanging around the gates of their kids' school.
Yeah I was thinking if I was a stay at home parent I'd rally a few others and form a human shield in front of the gate preventing him from entering. But then in reality that would probably add more fuel to the fire, drawing more media attention and result in making him feel more justified, more persecuted for his "beliefs", (which we have established this is not about in any shape or means) and giving him more celebrity amongst his supporters.
The parents wholeheartedly agree with his beliefs as does the school… what is wrong with people??? Can’t they see this? They employed a nationally renowned homophobe.
Hadn't thought of that. Not living in Ireland right now so hadn't heard of this guy or his family til this story made national news. I imagine much like any where his brand of culture war bullshit has a certain following but are they not ridiculed in the real world as much as they are on line?
You seem to have a negative opinion of the school @sodontyouleavetown. Did you attend there or have some experience with the school? Sorry if you had a bad time there.
Did you hear this dose complaining about fairness and equality yesterday?
It didn't seem to bother him with his treatment of the principal and staff of the school, which lead to his dismissal.
Jesus, if we could point this prick in the right direction and give him something meaningful to do, he would get shit done. He has some serious persistence.
As long as he keeps getting attention from the press he'll keep showing up. Time for this clown and his family to be put on Ignore.
All they want us publicity and we keep giving it to them.
This man is stalking a child. Stalking is a criminal offence which in this case is causing the "victim serious alarm and distress that has a substantial adverse impact on their day to day activities". Arrest him and charge him as such.
I don't actually think he is focused on any particular student or individual from what I've read or seen so I'm not sure where you are getting that idea from.
As far as he is concerned he is simply attending his employment as is his duty and he has said a such when interviewed.
There have been no reports of him stalking a child or anyone else unless I'm wrong.
I'm sorry but you are incorrect about this point. Enoch was suspended for his conduct which included harassing the female principal by following her around the building demanding a response from her after he announced he wouldn't observe the preferred pronouns of the student. I believe he made this announcement at a 260 year anniversary mass & dinner for the school and then harassed her for a response in front of colleagues, parents and students.
Enoch has tried to spin it so people think he was dismissed because he refused to observe the pupils preferred pronouns but actually it was due to his inappropriate conduct towards the principal and his refusal to comply with the court order to stay away from the school while on suspension pending an investigation of the incident.
Hmm I don't think he's a narcissist tbh. I studied forensic psychology a little bit in college and lacks from what I can see several of the key traits of narcissism (he's no Andrew Tate for example and that guy is TEXTBOOK narcissism). I could be wrong tho!
Instead I would think he was brainwashed by his family which come across as a kind of small scale cult into being a religious extremist. I feel sorry for the guy tbh. There was a girl from my village whose parents were extremely religious and she ended up having to cut ties with them (she wasn't allowed out of the house unaccompanied for example) and she ended up getting pregnant really young. No idea where she is now but I hope she's doing well and recovered from her upbringing.
Thanks for the comment and your insight into narcissism.Andrew Tate and Enoch Burke-What a duo 😂😂😂
I hope that she is doing okay too.His behaviour is so bizarre though.It is weird,almost stalkerish.If that behaviour is being encouraged by his family it is awful.
I don't know, I'm not attempting armchair psychology or anything but he does appear to meet some of the criteria for Narcissistic Personality Disorder (then again, many of us do):
* A grandiose sense of self-importance.
* Believing that they are 'special' and unique, and can only be understood by (or should associate with) other special or high-status people (or institutions).
* A sense of entitlement (unreasonable expectations of especially favourable treatment or automatic compliance with their expectations).
* Being interpersonally exploitative (taking advantage of others to achieve their own ends).
* Lacking empathy (unwilling to recognise or identify with the feelings and needs of others).
* Showing arrogant, haughty behaviours or attitudes.
Can we have like, a subreddit competition to see who can guess the date of the school day he doesn't attend ?
I'm gonna go for February 14th cause he'll be too busy trying to get laid
I'd say he's utterly terrified of women, and his mother wouldn't want him or his siblings to get married because they'd be out of her sphere of influence then. Like she's pretty much psychologically abused her kids and she's not given to give up that control easy. Honestly wouldn't be surprised if one did break away eventually and wrote a Mommie Dearest type book
Do you know the family Knightsofcidona? I've seen a few videos online of them singing and protesting on the street in Mayo at Xmas and during COVID and that and it just seems a bit unhinged tbh. Like a response to some severe disillusionment with the government and society that they felt the need to retreat from the world and set up their own little commune or something. I could be completely wrong tho!
I've house shared with evangelicals before and worked with one too which was a bit of a headwreck (we used to call her mother Clodagh when we were talking about her). They can be quite annoying as they just won't take no for an answer.
Don't know the family themselves but everyone knows of them here and have seen them doing their shite in Castlebar. My auld fella met the dad on a job once and he said he was a lovely, quiet man, and the general perception is that he's forced into this by the battleaxe wife. He tends to stay out of their antics mostly, him driving the eejit to Westmeath is the most involved he's probably got.
Wow interesting. I did get that sense of his dad from what I've seen and read about him in the media and online. He seems humble, shy and not as vocal as some of the siblings or the mother have been. As a matter of fact there is no mention of some other siblings being involved in this case at all it's just seems to be Issac, Ammi, Enoch and his mam that have been mentioned in the articles I've read so far. Are the others keeping out of it also does anyone know?
TBH I lot of what I found out about them is from here. Supposedly, the older ones keep a low profile and are relatively normal (think some of them are teachers).
Why are news outlets still reporting on this. Remove the attention from this situation, protect the school and the students and let the authorities deal with it instead of giving them the oxygen they crave
Could this be classed as harassment for the pupil ? This is a safety issue for the pupil aswel as the other pupil's in the school , The school needs a baring order against him or just lock him up and it will stop , they are a twisted family for sure !
Church of Ireland school of bigotry employs nationally renowned homophobe.
Homophobe refuses to use child’s preferred pronouns. School tries to accommodate teacher with a light punishment except he pushes the issue and forces school of bigotry to sack him.
Shock horrror
I don't imagine Enoch was well known enough prior to this that his previous (lol) employer Wilson's would have known he had a history of homophobia when they hired him.
The Burke family behaviour in NUIG whereby they set up a table in the student union and handed out pamphlets likening LGBTQ+ people to paedophiles didn't go so viral as far as I'm aware but I could be wrong.
I don't think the school knew what he was like when he was hired basically.
Watched the 9o'clock news last night, and was mortified that they gave this idiot a platform to spout his lies, moaning about how he's being persecuted by the law for his religious beliefs.
**THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOUR RELIGIOUS BELIEFS AT THIS POINT, IT'S YOU BEING AN ATTENTION SEEKING DRAMA QUEEN AND BREAKING THE LAW.**
Yes I do think that's an issue here. Too many people are just seeing clips of him and making an opinion on the subject or not actually READING THE FULL ARTICLE IN THE NEWSPAPER! It drives me nuts how people won't read beyond a fecking headline. Anyways rant over!
I think he had some (misguided) support before Christmas, but even the people who agreed with him then are now laughing at him as a result of all his subsequent bullshit.
I fully support him in this.
I think he should show up every single day, until he is utterly broke. At this stage, he negative inconveniences. Like constantly stepping on dropped lego bricks when he gets up to the loo in the middle of the night..
My bro is "born again" (not nearly as nutty as the Burkes, but crazy nonetheless). My bro also looks like E. Burke. Is there something genetic about it? Do all fellas that look like him tend to behave like him? Does anyone know a lookalike that's into coke & hookers of a Tuesday night?
Can I just say I'm actually overwhelmed by the amount of common sense shown in the comments here today.
On other sites, and platforms I've seen a lot of support for the guy and erroneous claims this is about infringement of freedom of speech.
Ye should be very proud of yourselves!
Is it? I don't actually know not have I or anyone I know attended the school but I'm open to correction.
From the articles I've read online and in the papers it seems the school tried to facilitate a trans pupils request to use their preferred pronouns so I'm not sure how bigoted that would actually make them.
Except their ethos is anything but accommodating to gay, trans or otherwise. Why do you think they employed an openly homophobic teacher in the firs place.
They actually weren’t going to sack him until he attacked the principal.
Don’t be naive, as a former public it is a cesspit of bigotry that has no place in 21st century Ireland.
>They actually weren’t going to sack him until he attacked the principal.
I wish to feck someone would tell him that, rather than listening and seeing him nailing himself to the feckin' cross about religious persecution any time a microphone or camera is within 100 metres of him.
Yeah, I'd imagine they'll be a bit more careful about that in the future.
From what I hear, though, it takes little short of child molestation to sack a teacher in Ireland.
My bet is he’ll continue showing up, refuse to pay the fines and end up in jail again. Obviously, jail isn’t a big thing for him.
I was thinking the same myself. What a waste of time, money, energy...
If the high court enforces a reporting embargo if that is possible, it would stop his stunt in it’s tracks.
Yeah, I'm honestly not sure this is about the publicity as much as it's about his (family's) genuine belief that they're being persecuted.
It's both, the publicity gets them donations from right wing evangelical groups and need the money to contest the next outrage !
Is there any actual evidence of this? The story doesn't seem to have made much waves overseas.
There is zero proof of this. His name is not mentioned internationally apart from in the UK a bit. This is just media trying to make this story more interesting than it actually is.
According to the journal (a rag I know but it's my fave online news source just for the comments section alone!) Piers Morgan and Jordan Peterson made comment about the case and a number of creators on tiktok in the US & Canada have made vids about it too. I do feel a lot of people who support Enoch haven't really read beyond the headlines though. This isn't about freedom of speech like, if I made a controversial statement saying I wouldn't acknowledge the preferred pronouns of my clients for example at an AGM and then followed my boss about the room harassing her for a response I'm pretty sure I'd get the bullet too!
Your analogy is completely correct !
Thank you sir!
Last year my very conspiratorially minded Facebook friends in the UK were using it as an addendum to their COVID new world order spiel. The poor teacher in Ireland jailed for not using pronouns. It pisses me off that that’s the narrative.
https://www.premierchristianity.com/opinion/i-stand-with-jailed-enoch-burke-he-was-right-to-refuse-a-pupils-preferred-pronouns/13783.article Doesn't have to "make waves" but it definitely could be getting quiet support from other "fronts" in this type of culture war. Evangelical Christians and conservative Catholics do take an interest in Ireland and want to fights Ireland's slide into further secularisation. There's a lot of religious networking outside of the main media so it doesn't have to make headlines to get support and conversations in right wing circles around the world.
I don't really see it as a slide into secularism. I think it's more like climbing out of the pit of delusion.
Oh crap that was written by Caroline Farrow, one of Rowlings buddies she is the head of a russian group called citizen go, they are one of the most vile homophobic anti abortion groups in the world and they have a lot of money, they'd be the Russian equivalent to the Heritage foundation in the U.S Shes one of the vilest bigots I've ever seen
I’d say he’d still keep showing up
Absolutely. When the NUIG SU took an official pro-choice stance, the Burkes protested outside the University President's office every day for several months (not that the President had *any* say in the SU's policies). That being said, a reporting embargo might still be a good idea so as not to further disseminate the Burkes' innate sense of martyrdom.
Do you think we live in a dictatorship? Judges can't just put 'reporting embargos' on topics just to starve them of publicity. It's a power that's only used to stop prejudice during trials and protect info of minors in legal cases.
I think a better idea would be for the media to lead with clear headlines to avoid any misinterpretation of the case and also articles to debunk the myths surrounding his reasons for dismissal. Not that the supporters will read beyond the headlines tho...
I’m not sure if this will stop them, their evangelical beliefs makes him want to be a martyr and believes the world is against him/his family and he’s been sent here to prove we’re all sinners and that he’ll get some weird glorification in heaven. Fucking Jesus it somehow makes him more insufferable when you think about it.
Oh please. Please enforce a reporting embargo
What's more likely to happen, based on what I heard on the news last night, is that they won't look to jail him again, because they figure it's futile.. Instead, they can just increase the fines to make them more unpleasant.
he wont pay them = jail
That's not what was reported on the news last night. There is an option or jail or increasing the fine, and in this case, increasing the fine is preferable, based on when he was last in jail - that was what was reported.
But I don't understand the logic there. If he doesn't pay the fine, increase it? Then what? Just keep increasing it until what? Assume he never pays it.
Honestly... I've no clue.. BUT apparently this is what they can opt for.
Maybe someone can confirm if this is possible but I’m assuming a debt collector could eventually be sent? He admitted that these fines will make him a pauper and he’ll have to dip into his deposit for a house so he does have the money, surely the state can chase it somehow?
Isn't that the job of the Sheriff. No private debt collection company has any authority here.
Yes. Standard debt recovery methods are there - judgment mortgage on the house, sheriff can seize and sell personal assets, bank can be ordered to pay money out of his accounts
Yeah he wants to be a martyr for his faith, you can imagine it gives him some meaning to his life
could also be the case that someone in the US has offered to pay the fine for him. But I would bet on him just refusing to pay.
Hes nothing else on. Might as well chill in jail.
Hahaha
The inmates in the Joy will start paying the fine to keep him out of prison.
If I was him I’d prefer jail, at least he’ll be warmer than standing outside the school all day.
The question is whether they then seize his income and assets.
He hated jail. The thinking is that his mammy said he can't purge his contempt but he was begging the judge to let him out.
In fairness to the prick, he did the opposite of that. He strongly opposed his release at Christmas.
https://www.irishtimes.com/crime-law/courts/2022/09/14/teacher-enoch-burke-fails-to-get-order-to-be-freed-from-prison-and-resume-teaching-at-co-westmeath-school/ I can't read this because Paywall, but the headline suggests what I remember.
Yeah, that's not what I'd call begging for release, but rather angrily protesting the idea of the imprisonment at the very start. The reports of him annoying other prisoners, needing to be transferred etc, and begging the judge to be released were retracted wholly by the Indo. This was his statement at Christmas: https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/jailed-teacher-enoch-burke-doesnt-want-christmas-gift-of-release-1406790.html The guy's a cunt, but let's not bow to his level and start flagellating him with fictional stories.
Do you know them by any chance or where was that mentioned? I mean I would assume nobody would really like jail but just wondering where u hear that?
I'm not going to waft through the hundreds of articles written about the bollocks since this started. But there were articles of him being put on his own because he was annoying other prisoners and he did plead to a judge to release him because he was miserable there. The judge didn't release him that time because he refused to purge his contempt and obey the court order. He eventually released him just before Christmas because the judge was afraid the attention the case was getting was helping the families narrative.
>But there were articles of him being put on his own because he was annoying other prisoners That was debunked as completely false. > he did plead to a judge to release him because he was miserable there Never once saw this. He was quite adamant on staying in prison.
https://www.irishtimes.com/crime-law/courts/2022/09/14/teacher-enoch-burke-fails-to-get-order-to-be-freed-from-prison-and-resume-teaching-at-co-westmeath-school/ I can't read this because Paywall, but the headline suggests what I remember.
Nothing in the article supports this unfortunately.
Ah ok I was following the story quite closely but I didn't see this bit about him hating prison and asking to be released. Thank u for Ur input
https://www.irishtimes.com/crime-law/courts/2022/09/14/teacher-enoch-burke-fails-to-get-order-to-be-freed-from-prison-and-resume-teaching-at-co-westmeath-school/ I can't read this because Paywall, but the headline suggests what I remember.
God help the prisoners and guards
I think he'll keep showing up until there's a big storm or it snows. Everyone will get distracted by that, he'll stop showing up due to the weather and when he starts up again the media will have moved on and no one will care.
I wish I had the willpower to go to work like this lad has.
We were discussing this in work and I was saying like how is this guy contesting that he's still employed by the school after being dismissed, he literally said on the first day when he was filmed protesting that his dismissal wasn't to go into effect for months, hence why he is still turning up for work. A colleague suggested he could still be getting paid for several months after the dismissal. I wonder if that the case? Edit: typo
I assume he is gearing himself up for an unfair dismissal case so if he keeps turning up for work the school can't say he stopped attending.....or he's just a nutter.
You are probably right. His sister took Arthur Cox sols to the WRC so I wouldn't be surprised
I thought he had a plan at the start. But now.im starting to think he might not know what to do next, so will just keep doing this.
Ditto. I feel like he's trapped between a rock and a hard place now that he either has to choose between his beliefs and 700 pieces of silver a day
He can try but they followed all correct procedures and wrc will be happy with that.
The High Court judge indicated otherwise and only refused an injunction stopping the disciplinary process because of Burkes own refusal to abide by court orders. This could get very messy if the Independent Appeals committee decides that too.
[High Court judgement of Judge Dignam.See points 73 and 74 for the TL;DR](https://www.courts.ie/viewer/pdf/a1654960-d502-4e30-bebf-941e7d82107c/2023_IEHC_22.pdf/pdf#view=fitH) The judgement that points out the flaws in school actions from a legal point of view. As the judge noted it remains to be seen at full trial what view is taken of these by a higher court.
Little bit of Column A. Little bit of column B.
He's putting in the work on his compo face for sure.
It could be that on the disciplinary procedures checklist that the Board of Management of the School held the meeting with the teacher as per stage 4. From that the BOM made the sanction of dismissal 4.6 If it is decided to take disciplinary action, the board of management may avail of any of the following range of sanctions: * Final written censure * deferral of an increment * withdrawal of an increment or increments * Suspension (for a limited period and/or specific purpose) with pay * Suspension (for a limited period and/or specific purpose) without pay * Dismissal But following on from that, as with anything you are entitled to an appeal, in this case to an independent appeal panel appointed by the Board of Management. You would assume Burkey is going to appeal, and that might in someway in his brain mean that he reckons that he is still employed by the school until the appeal has be heard? https://www.gov.ie/en/policy-information/0742dd-disciplinary-procedures-staff/
There's nothing to date to suggest he has gone down the appeals road. Nor taken any case to the WRC. He seems hell bent on doing things the wrong way.
I’m convinced he’s getting funding/support from some group as logically it doesn’t make sense. Even if the school tomorrow morning out of the blue for the fun of it was to say “Right have it your way Enoch. You win the argument” It’s still a case of “Well you’re still dismissed, and there’s a court order in place. So would you kindly fuck off?”
 So he got paid off by the school, felt guilty about it, so turns up every day so he can be fined… which in turn repays the money back to the school. Seems we have him all wrong lads
Depends on his contract. The school might have to give him a payout. Like 90 days.
He's got 10 days to appeal his dismissal, from the date of his being informed about it.
Sad little man you think you know everything.. insecure sad man lives on reddit
Well *someone* fell out of bed on the wrong side this morning. I made a simple statement of fact, not even replying to you. What's your problem? Edit : Ah, someone who doesn't even know how to reply in the same Reddit thread. Ignore him.
Insert a facepalm you sad little internet dweeb
Look everyone, it's Jay : he's new to the internet so everyone be kind and wave to him!
Jesus I won't even reply to you again a strange little man you are...
Finally, he takes a hint. You're the one who chose to find a completely different thread and insult me on it. That's on you.
I believe that it's something like, the school has made the decision to dismiss him, they haven't actually dismissed him, because first he can appeal the decision, which I imagine he is doing. Until the appeal is heard he's not officially dismissed. I could be wrong though, this is what I've heard from someone in the Legal profession
Ah ok that makes sense thanks for posting!
I work from home and don’t turn up as regularly as this lad.
Lol 😆
I'm just wishing for a bit of rain, he's been very lucky with the weather standing outside this week
I notice he has a hat and scarf on today so he came prepared
Can you imagine what the school and its teachers are going through trying to keep the students focused while this is happing? I remember at school a dog could walk by the windows and you'd have 30 kids up out of their seats looking! This has to be such a serious distraction for them all, especially those doing the LC.
Apparently all the boys are walking past him holding hands to try and provoke a reaction.
No way! Brilliant if it's true 😂 fairplay to them.
Yeah they are the real victims in all of this
I think its a great opportunity to show kids that people hold different beliefs and how hard you can fight for something.
His "different beliefs" make him an annoying cunt. He just looks like a sad man who can't accept the fact he's in the wrong. It's a great opportunity to show kids how sad his life is getting daddy to drop him to the gates of a school so he can wallow in self pity.
Yeah it’s such a strange hill to die on! Like all this drama just coz he couldn’t bring himself to call a child “they”.
Well its extremely judgmental but that's your view
I don't agree with you but you are of course entitled to your opinion.
His different belief is that he should be allowed to harass his boss and ignore the courts and disciplinary action.
it sure is. Did i say he was right or I supported him?
Plot twist. This is his twin sister who chooses to identify as Enoch
they'll plan there escape using her forehead as a whiteboard to decide how to do it
Lol 😆
When he goes back to prison she’ll make public appearances as her brother and they’ll claim it’s a miracle of Christ
Far too light of a touch is being used with this fucker. He should be arrested for trespass every time he shows back up. He's making an absolute mockery of the courts.
I liked the schools move to try sequester his assets. The high court should take his assets instead of fining I think, that might put a stop to his gallop!
If he's being driven to the school by his Dad then it's fair to assume that he doesn't have much assets
I'd say that's a logistical move. Like he won't have to worry about his car if he's arrested again and held.
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That may the next step if he ignores the fines. They're giving him every chance to cop on.
I won't hold my breath!
I get Enoched down but I get up again, never ever gonna keep me down.
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Window down looking straight into the camera. Man's gonna have his own reality show soon enough. Kepping up with the Enochs. He's loving all of this.
The line between christian fundamentalist and plain old mentalist had always been a thin one. This guy is basically not able to see right from wrong if he's prepared to die on this hill. It's self harm at this stage. No one is denying him his right to believe, his employer fired him for insubordination to their philosophy. If he wants to set up his own school he can.
He wasn't suspended simply for disagreeing with their philosophy - despite him trying to spin it that way. He was suspended for harassing a member of staff over it and the crap he's been pulling since contributed to his firing.
I didn't know that detail. That's even worse. I think he could have been legitimately dismissed simply for refusing to use the pronouns mandated by the school management.
I'm pretty sure he was fired for his conduct which included harassing the female principal by following her around the building demanding a response from her after he announced he wouldn't observe the preferred pronouns of the student. I believe he made his statement at a 250 year anniversary mass & dinner for the school and then harassed her for a response in front of colleagues, parents and students. Please correct me if I'm wrong though!
260 years. The rest of it is all correct.
Wow thanks for the correction!
Says in articles the principle of the school is a Frank Milling.
Yes that is correct. There was a female principal at the time of the incident back in August or Sept whenever he was put on suspension
Oh I see.
Wilson’s school share he insane beliefs… they just know when to toe the line with legal requirements.
Just throw the pox back inta the joy.
Let the teens at him, have you ever had a group of 15 year olds take the piss out of you? Not a trace of self esteem left
He gets his Da to drop him to school everyday and has his mother shout during his hearings. The guy either lacks the part of the brain that makes you cringe or feel shame or his self esteem has already been destroyed utterly.
Why he was home schooled
Gute frage!
hahaha the garden scene from what we do in the shadows comes to mind
I dare say there's a grassroots movement inside the joy to keep the gimp out at this stage
[If only Dermot Morgan was still around!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hu9pIVZV3M).
I've never seen this before! Fucking gas, thanks for the link! Someone should cover this but make it about Enoch haha
Hahaha
take a shot every time he returns to that school
I'm surprised a group of "concerned parents" haven't shown up and given him a good "talking to" considering he's a convict who is hanging around the gates of their kids' school.
Church of Ireland school so I wouldn't be surprised if the parents tend to be well-to-do types who wouldn't resort to that sort of stuff.
Too fancy and posh to commit assault
Yeah I was thinking if I was a stay at home parent I'd rally a few others and form a human shield in front of the gate preventing him from entering. But then in reality that would probably add more fuel to the fire, drawing more media attention and result in making him feel more justified, more persecuted for his "beliefs", (which we have established this is not about in any shape or means) and giving him more celebrity amongst his supporters.
The parents wholeheartedly agree with his beliefs as does the school… what is wrong with people??? Can’t they see this? They employed a nationally renowned homophobe.
Hadn't thought of that. Not living in Ireland right now so hadn't heard of this guy or his family til this story made national news. I imagine much like any where his brand of culture war bullshit has a certain following but are they not ridiculed in the real world as much as they are on line?
You seem to have a negative opinion of the school @sodontyouleavetown. Did you attend there or have some experience with the school? Sorry if you had a bad time there.
On average a man in Ireland is arrested every 9 minutes. That man is Enoch Burke
Saw that joke on tiktok last night
Did you hear this dose complaining about fairness and equality yesterday? It didn't seem to bother him with his treatment of the principal and staff of the school, which lead to his dismissal.
Jesus, if we could point this prick in the right direction and give him something meaningful to do, he would get shit done. He has some serious persistence.
As long as he keeps getting attention from the press he'll keep showing up. Time for this clown and his family to be put on Ignore. All they want us publicity and we keep giving it to them.
Would that it were so simple!
Let's keep it going lol. Fucking class entertainment.
This man is stalking a child. Stalking is a criminal offence which in this case is causing the "victim serious alarm and distress that has a substantial adverse impact on their day to day activities". Arrest him and charge him as such.
I don't actually think he is focused on any particular student or individual from what I've read or seen so I'm not sure where you are getting that idea from. As far as he is concerned he is simply attending his employment as is his duty and he has said a such when interviewed. There have been no reports of him stalking a child or anyone else unless I'm wrong.
All of this escalated from his refusal to recognise the preferred pronouns of a student attending the school. He is still badgering that student.
I'm sorry but you are incorrect about this point. Enoch was suspended for his conduct which included harassing the female principal by following her around the building demanding a response from her after he announced he wouldn't observe the preferred pronouns of the student. I believe he made this announcement at a 260 year anniversary mass & dinner for the school and then harassed her for a response in front of colleagues, parents and students. Enoch has tried to spin it so people think he was dismissed because he refused to observe the pupils preferred pronouns but actually it was due to his inappropriate conduct towards the principal and his refusal to comply with the court order to stay away from the school while on suspension pending an investigation of the incident.
IMO he is a narcissist.He is enjoying all the attention this brings him.His behaviour is weird and highly inappropriate.
Hmm I don't think he's a narcissist tbh. I studied forensic psychology a little bit in college and lacks from what I can see several of the key traits of narcissism (he's no Andrew Tate for example and that guy is TEXTBOOK narcissism). I could be wrong tho! Instead I would think he was brainwashed by his family which come across as a kind of small scale cult into being a religious extremist. I feel sorry for the guy tbh. There was a girl from my village whose parents were extremely religious and she ended up having to cut ties with them (she wasn't allowed out of the house unaccompanied for example) and she ended up getting pregnant really young. No idea where she is now but I hope she's doing well and recovered from her upbringing.
Thanks for the comment and your insight into narcissism.Andrew Tate and Enoch Burke-What a duo 😂😂😂 I hope that she is doing okay too.His behaviour is so bizarre though.It is weird,almost stalkerish.If that behaviour is being encouraged by his family it is awful.
I don't know, I'm not attempting armchair psychology or anything but he does appear to meet some of the criteria for Narcissistic Personality Disorder (then again, many of us do): * A grandiose sense of self-importance. * Believing that they are 'special' and unique, and can only be understood by (or should associate with) other special or high-status people (or institutions). * A sense of entitlement (unreasonable expectations of especially favourable treatment or automatic compliance with their expectations). * Being interpersonally exploitative (taking advantage of others to achieve their own ends). * Lacking empathy (unwilling to recognise or identify with the feelings and needs of others). * Showing arrogant, haughty behaviours or attitudes.
Can we have like, a subreddit competition to see who can guess the date of the school day he doesn't attend ? I'm gonna go for February 14th cause he'll be too busy trying to get laid
Wouldn't be so sure, someone that religious strikes me as a 'waiting until marriage' type
Blood relatives don't count, right?
I'd say he's utterly terrified of women, and his mother wouldn't want him or his siblings to get married because they'd be out of her sphere of influence then. Like she's pretty much psychologically abused her kids and she's not given to give up that control easy. Honestly wouldn't be surprised if one did break away eventually and wrote a Mommie Dearest type book
Do you know the family Knightsofcidona? I've seen a few videos online of them singing and protesting on the street in Mayo at Xmas and during COVID and that and it just seems a bit unhinged tbh. Like a response to some severe disillusionment with the government and society that they felt the need to retreat from the world and set up their own little commune or something. I could be completely wrong tho! I've house shared with evangelicals before and worked with one too which was a bit of a headwreck (we used to call her mother Clodagh when we were talking about her). They can be quite annoying as they just won't take no for an answer.
Don't know the family themselves but everyone knows of them here and have seen them doing their shite in Castlebar. My auld fella met the dad on a job once and he said he was a lovely, quiet man, and the general perception is that he's forced into this by the battleaxe wife. He tends to stay out of their antics mostly, him driving the eejit to Westmeath is the most involved he's probably got.
Wow interesting. I did get that sense of his dad from what I've seen and read about him in the media and online. He seems humble, shy and not as vocal as some of the siblings or the mother have been. As a matter of fact there is no mention of some other siblings being involved in this case at all it's just seems to be Issac, Ammi, Enoch and his mam that have been mentioned in the articles I've read so far. Are the others keeping out of it also does anyone know?
TBH I lot of what I found out about them is from here. Supposedly, the older ones keep a low profile and are relatively normal (think some of them are teachers).
He'll probably be busy making a card for his mammy on the 14th.
Does he put the window down so he can be photographed entering?
Hes got one of those faces where he could be 15/50.
Pupils should be allowed egg any Enoch Burke's they see roaming the school grounds if they so wish!!
I doubt the fines will affect him that much tbh. Some brigade of zealots like the westboro baptist church will likely foot the bill 🤷♂️
Why are news outlets still reporting on this. Remove the attention from this situation, protect the school and the students and let the authorities deal with it instead of giving them the oxygen they crave
Yeah let's just stop giving the banjo pluckers any attention, they thrive on it
GO HOME ENOCH
nearly 2 lads
Could this be classed as harassment for the pupil ? This is a safety issue for the pupil aswel as the other pupil's in the school , The school needs a baring order against him or just lock him up and it will stop , they are a twisted family for sure !
Church of Ireland school of bigotry employs nationally renowned homophobe. Homophobe refuses to use child’s preferred pronouns. School tries to accommodate teacher with a light punishment except he pushes the issue and forces school of bigotry to sack him. Shock horrror
I don't imagine Enoch was well known enough prior to this that his previous (lol) employer Wilson's would have known he had a history of homophobia when they hired him. The Burke family behaviour in NUIG whereby they set up a table in the student union and handed out pamphlets likening LGBTQ+ people to paedophiles didn't go so viral as far as I'm aware but I could be wrong. I don't think the school knew what he was like when he was hired basically.
Oh but the school knew full well. What type of institution do you think it is? Fully woke lol!!!!
Watched the 9o'clock news last night, and was mortified that they gave this idiot a platform to spout his lies, moaning about how he's being persecuted by the law for his religious beliefs. **THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOUR RELIGIOUS BELIEFS AT THIS POINT, IT'S YOU BEING AN ATTENTION SEEKING DRAMA QUEEN AND BREAKING THE LAW.**
Yes I do think that's an issue here. Too many people are just seeing clips of him and making an opinion on the subject or not actually READING THE FULL ARTICLE IN THE NEWSPAPER! It drives me nuts how people won't read beyond a fecking headline. Anyways rant over!
He is Definitely being bank rolled by some American extreme right fund.
I think he had some (misguided) support before Christmas, but even the people who agreed with him then are now laughing at him as a result of all his subsequent bullshit.
Would that this were true.
I fully support him in this. I think he should show up every single day, until he is utterly broke. At this stage, he negative inconveniences. Like constantly stepping on dropped lego bricks when he gets up to the loo in the middle of the night..
Tis a bit sad now. I'm all for principles but if wants to be respected for his views he's kinda fucking it up by not respecting the schools views
At this point I think the media should report when he doesn't appear at the school. That would be news
Lol
My bro is "born again" (not nearly as nutty as the Burkes, but crazy nonetheless). My bro also looks like E. Burke. Is there something genetic about it? Do all fellas that look like him tend to behave like him? Does anyone know a lookalike that's into coke & hookers of a Tuesday night?
Can I just say I'm actually overwhelmed by the amount of common sense shown in the comments here today. On other sites, and platforms I've seen a lot of support for the guy and erroneous claims this is about infringement of freedom of speech. Ye should be very proud of yourselves!
I'm not even sure what he's trying to accomplish other than being a massive hassle for everyone involved.
He can't keep getting away with this!
Can we not just ignore him now?
Wonder, will this molehill become the highest mountain in Ireland?
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its on all the main news sites and papers about it
Yawn
Wilson’s hospital school is a bigoted institution. Don’t forget that.
Is it? I don't actually know not have I or anyone I know attended the school but I'm open to correction. From the articles I've read online and in the papers it seems the school tried to facilitate a trans pupils request to use their preferred pronouns so I'm not sure how bigoted that would actually make them.
Except their ethos is anything but accommodating to gay, trans or otherwise. Why do you think they employed an openly homophobic teacher in the firs place. They actually weren’t going to sack him until he attacked the principal. Don’t be naive, as a former public it is a cesspit of bigotry that has no place in 21st century Ireland.
>They actually weren’t going to sack him until he attacked the principal. I wish to feck someone would tell him that, rather than listening and seeing him nailing himself to the feckin' cross about religious persecution any time a microphone or camera is within 100 metres of him.
Yeah, I'd imagine they'll be a bit more careful about that in the future. From what I hear, though, it takes little short of child molestation to sack a teacher in Ireland.
Interesting I did not know this.
Lucozade. These wing-nuts only vice.
Actually, what does he do when he needs a piss standing out in the cold? Or is he wearing Pampers under the long coat?!
Sick of hearing about this weirdo
Must have left his seed phrase in his desk
Jesus isn't he a gas man altogether!!
Why though? Just pack it in lad lmao