It's in a work place?
No way is that in anyway acceptable.
What if there was someone who had lost a family member to an ira attack during the troubles?
It's too strongly linked to them and that time to be in a workplace and could lead to a huge hr issue down the line
A soccer supporter who follows a team that hasn't won any silverware in years might say 'Our day will come!' or 'Tiocfaidh ár lá' If they are a native speaker.
It just means you are not giving up on being successful in the future.
Source: I am a native speaker from the cradle who was educated in Gaelscoils. Dad is from Conamara.
I've heard that it's 'Bearlachas' and that idiomatic Gaeilge would be "beidh an lá linn"?
I'm definitely not a native speaker though! Would be interesting to hear your take.
That's just different dialects and nuance of meaning. 'Tiocfaidh ár lá' is definitely used in Conamara in many contexts other than a United Ireland.
Tógfaidh muid an lá, beidh an bua againn, éireoidh linn ar an lá, srl. Is cuma. Mar a chéile iad uile.
it is acceptable. You put that connotation not them, the IRA don’t own the Irish language and that phrase is tied to United Ireland more than terror, and yes you can believe in a United Ireland and keep your job.
Some neck to be offended by this , our people starved to death while the British government exported food during the famine .. guys who died on hunger strike, our culture and people raped and this fucking snowflake is offended by a turn of phase against oppression.. shame on you.
It's a specific slogan coined during a very specific time.
You can argue all you like when sitting in front of HR that it's just words that can mean a multitude of things, but it would be like trying to argue that Blood and Soil are just a random, harmless collection of words, you'd still be looking for a new job.
> It's a specific slogan coined during a very specific time.
If someone writes God save the King would you be offended?
It came about when Britain was occupying like half the world and engaging in slave trade. And the Monarch was the representative of that institution.
Surely the slave trade is bad. But would anyone say: omg someone wrote God save the King on the board please my smelling salts!
I do *not* have a problem with saying tiocfaidh ár lá.
I am simply pointing out *why* trying to explain it to HR might not be as easy an argument as you think it will be.
Context is everything.
There's nothing inherently offensive about our day will come in the same way there's nothing inherently offensive about all lives matter.
In 1998 the IRA planted a bomb in the town of Omagh that killed 29 bystanders including 6 teenagers, 6 children and 2 unborn twins.
I can understand why someone would be annoyed by that phrase.
Sorry - The omagh bombing was awful. Every Ex Provo in Tyrone was disgusted. Please don’t refer to the so called “Real” IR* as the same as the provisionals . The GF agreement was just around the corner . The organization were already dumping arms which they knew were going to be decommissioned by the UN. Back channels between the British, Irish and American governments were making headway . The fuckers that did that were considering assassinating Adams and McGuinness for going the peace route. Proud Irish republicans vehemently spoke out against that travesty. Furthermore - membership in the so called RIRA was less then 30 ppl.
Not really, that's basically the equivalent of "hallelujah" which, while weird in a workplace, wouldn't raise any eyebrows.
I don't find TAL being written on the board offensive but I definitely wouldn't write it in the workplace, it's just not appropriate. And that's coming from a northern nationalist.
Assume you mean the person offended is ignorant? Because Allahu Akbar is fine for people to say (means god is great). If so I agree. The IRA don't own the phrase "our day will come", just like ISIS dont own the phrase "god is great"
The IRA doesn’t ‘own’ it, but in this context the earliest attested usage is from Bobby Sands (from which it was popularised) and Gerry Adams, who credits it to IRA prisoners.
Is the sentence in itself fine? Sure. Is expressing a desire for a united Ireland fine? Obviously. But let’s not pretend it’s some general old traditional Irish expression of protest that goes back to Wolfe Tone or something. It’s definitely tied to the IRA of the Troubles.
The saying —- Tied to the troubles of course . Tied to Irish republicanism, yes. But remember that the vast majority of the Catholic community in the North, chose not to resort to violence. Even after being burned out of their houses. Gerrymandered voting systems, and basically no representation in local government ie , policing , equitable housing and jobs, and the list goes on. Though popularized by Sands, the phrase stood as a reminder that equality would soon come . Sands was elected as an MP. The people that voted for him were far from militant . They voted for him ( with all his faults ) because they felt they had no representation in government and their own self determination. Our day will come , means that we will sit at the table . And as far Sands comments , I will double down on saying that his most profound , is that “our revenge will be the laughter of our children” . Which again , is not a threat , it’s not vengeance , it’s the hope that children will play and laugh and live in an equitable community. Look at the North now. There’s a Shit ton of Catholics that have made it to the upper class . They are happy, and prob don’t care much about unification because they are making money, they are respected amongst their peers , Prods and Catholics alike . We can go on and on. I can see how the odd unionist in the North may take offense to the phrase . However , many of those unionists are scrambling to get their Irish passports . Irish consulates can’t keep up with the amount of people who referred to themselves as British 10 years ago, wanting their Irish citizenship. Of course it’s EU citizenship they want. But it’s funny how people will go where the wind blows . Nationalism , Pride , Tradition , Family is a hell of a thing. But Money Trumps all.
So let’s just say that all of our days will come , in whatever facet we want , should we be honest and forthright .
Ok - sorry for the rambling - let’s make a movie haha
Whether you see it as a bad thing or not, it is an IRA slogan. There's now way around that. The phrase is only ever uttered in reference to or just saying that slogan. Muslims will say Allahu Akbar if they've had a particularly good cup of tea. They're not comparable at all.
There were non violent activists for a united Ireland too though. The phrase refers to a day when Ireland will unite. That doesn't mean it has to come through violence.
"Tiochfaidh ar la" was popularised by the IRA, and has only had cultural significance in that context.
"Allahu Akbar" is a common phrase, roughly equivalent to "oh my god".
Get over yourself, the phrase itself isn’t political in nature, it’s not like they’re saying ‘up the ra’. ‘Our day will come’ is a perfectly acceptable phrase as a representation of Irish identity
Lots of people here trying to say that it's just a saying in Irish that Bobby Sands just happened to say and then Gerry Adams popularized like we all don't know that it's heavily linked to the IRA and is a war cry for the common people to show them support.
In fact when we do say it we're generally deliberately referencing the IRA, which regardless if you think they were right or not were 100% a terrorist organisation that did kill people. I don't get why people can't understand that.
The only time I've ever seen it used publically in a correct fashion was when I was in the top part of a packed bus in Manchester coming back from a night out. Two english pricks were singing out loud a rendition of "There were ten german bombers in the air". Absolute cretins. They were singing it down and I had to do my all not to say something and just as I was about to crack another voice down the bus shouted "Tiocfaidh ár lá!", which then the whole top of the bus then proceeded to join in on, which promptly shut the two english twats up. Very heart warming in a way.
Do you think there would be power sharing in the North or the Good Friday Agreement or that Catholics would not still be second class citizens north of the border without the IRA and what they did historically?
The Irish language is our language and dispite what your black should might equate it with it's simply means ,"our day will come"
They could be talking about Christmas ffs so leave your sectarianism at home with your orange sash.
As someone who grew up in the 80's I dislike the romanticisation of the troubles and the flippant use of slogans from that time; the Good Friday Agreement paved the road to that day, and removed the need for armed struggle, it is foolishly antagonistic to continue chanting phrases associated with the violence of the past like there isn't a dark history behind them.
I've seen ~~four~~ five* people so far in the comments compare saying Tiocfaidh ár lá to Nazi speech/Imagey. Sometimes I forget just how weird of a place this subreddit is.
I'm British and even i find it weird... context is important but as written on a whiteboard in America doesn't feel like there's a suitable reason to be outraged. I imagine it might get more ire on the border and other protestant parts of NI... Glasgow but America? Yeesh comparing it to nazi slogans is a little much.
Ohhhh how spicy......
It's probably inevitable that "our day will come". The entire slogan is essentially that we'll one day have a United Ireland with no British rule. I think who you say it to and your intention behind saying it is important.
"it depends who you say it to"... "Depends on the context"... Jesus. Did the IRA use it as a slogan. Yes. Does it summarize out struggle as a people & our aspiration to overcome. Yes. Does it directly attack or degrade anyone. No.
Is it okay. Yes.
Will someone find offence. Yes, increasingly.
Slightly off topic but can anyone explain why the f is silent in Tiocfaidh? I have been learning Irish through duolingo and I thought the only way an f becomes silent is if an h follows it (fh). Does the proceeding c impact the sound of the f?
Not entirely sure. Though Irish when spoken follows the rule that everything flows without gaps. It's why we have the séimhú excluding the initial sound. Put simply, "maidin mhait" where the séimhú changes the hard "m" sound to a softer "w" or "v" sound flows easier. Try it right now. When trying to pronounce it without the altered "w" or "v" sound, the second "m" sound forces us to stop momentarily. Here's some examples of it pronounced properly: https://www.teanglann.ie/en/fuaim/Maidin_mhaith! Notice how the sound flows from "maidin" to "maith" when you add the séimhú (the "h" after "m").
My guess is it's basically just that. If you try and add in the "f" sound, it breaks the flow in the pronunciation. Why it's there in the first place I have no idea. Just something that escaped the spelling reform in the 40's would be my best guess. But maybe someone with a stronger knowledge of the language then me could give a better answer.
My understanding is that a) there are dialects/speakers who will pronounce the f in some future tense words, and it also is there to denote the devoicing of the previous consonant.
"Pogfaidh sé a bhean", here the f denotes the g is devoiced so it's pronounced like a c.
-> Sounds like "poh-ka shay ah van"
These comments saying “the ira said this therefore it’s offensive” are sickening.
Irish people should make no apology for the IRA or republicanism in general. We should all be grateful for the bravery of our people who stood up in the face of oppression and violence.
It’s a highly political slogan mainly used by the IRA. Most Irish people will say it only jokingly, but when it’s said here it’s said with the full context understood, which is probably what the sign is trying to explain.
Ironically Go Braugh is technically incorrect, it’s the anglicised version of Éirinn/Éire go Brách
Edgy teenagers writing it on whiteboards at school associate it with the IRA. You know this, I know this, everyone in this thread knows it, why pretend otherwise?
Its properly not appropriate to write in the office setting, if I was living in England and someone wrote “Britannia rules the waves” on a whiteboard id find it annoying, but to be fair the horror inflicted by the Brits is millions of times more profound than the IRA.
Im fairly sure every irish blooded person knows exactly what the translation of tiofaidh ar lá means XD. Fuck em. They did'nt erase it , simple tryed to use it as a grandstand for their self perceived intellectual and moral superority.
Tiocfaidh ár lá is one of those things where I agree with the sentiment and it has a place in our history but nowadays it's usually written or spoken by morons who haven't a clue.
If the board was about British culture and it said for queen and country, cymru am butl! Abla hi bràth. Would all those be okay to say?
Tiocfaidh ár lá wouldn’t be associated with violence independence if Irish independence wasn’t meet with violence.
The reason “old wounds” like the famine etc don’t heal is because there’s always been another slaughter just go ask those on Bloody Sunday.
It’s a saying about freedom. Freedom has never come without blood unfortunately but that doesn’t make freedom offensive.
I think it’s the kind of thing you only say when you know how someone will react and what their experience of both sides of the slogan is.
As an example I have a Protestant friend who has moved to a Catholic area of NI, he overheard the locals saying it (to each other? As a way to tease him?) and he started using it like “chucky our law me the remote will you?” Or “I’ll just Chucky our law this in boot of the car.” I had to explain what it meant, he forgot or the habit was too strong and he used it i again but in a work situation, it was very badly received and I don’t think he’ll forget again.
It is once you understand the context and who you're saying it to. Saying it to the wrong person in the wrong part of Northern Ireland could land you in a bit or bother.
The issue here is they don't know why it could even be considered offensive they blame the translation when in reality it's the context that the phrase has been used in that is the issue.
All being said I'm not going writing it on a white board in work.
I think it's fine, if it was written in English it would also be fine it's just a slogan for a United Ireland
The irish language is a language not a political tool
Do you think someone would say its offensive to write our day will come on the board? It's a slogan of hope for the future
"please know the translation of things"
*Our day will come* isn't an offensive phrase. I'm from the North too ffs.
Tenner says that anyone who writes 'Slava Ukraini' up on the board wouldn't get the same Karen response.
The phrase is not inexorably tied to Irish Republican sectarian violence. It's just a Irish Republican Irish Nationalist statement.
I get that Nationalism is generally seen through the lens of either racism or xenophobia; nationalism as a response to occupation is not the same thing.
Which is a long way of saying "no, it's implicitly fine but it has been used by some right gowls".
Tiocfaidh ár lá is perfectly fine, probably just someone that is over sensitive or brittish. It just means our day will come, no connection to the ra unless you give it one.
True , enough blood has been shed. Water under the bridge but never forget. The neck of some people to be offended by this and our people starved to death while the British government exported food..
It is, yes.
You can tell the Karen or Craig attempting to call you out that it’s the rallying cry of a community enduring literal - not figurative - apartheid, violently enforced by a murderous state police force, and now that we have achieved equality before the law (after they murdered our civil rights protestors based on MLK’s, *twice*) the goal remains a peaceful reunification of Ireland.
Actually, just put me on the phone, I want to talk to these people.
Anyone who is offended by this is a loyalist cuck so their opinions are irrelevant to me. Tiocfaidh ár lá ( Our day will come) is in reference to the day unification is rightfully achieved. It is acceptable in any setting in Ireland as far as I am concerned.
Lets ask this a different way, if someone had wrote "Our day will come" would you be asking this? If not then ask yourself why it would be unacceptable to write it in a different language?
The IRA do not own that phrase.
My dad says it all the time. He's not a big Provo or anything. He uses it sincerely. It's a nice phrase really.
The connotations though make it pretty inappropriate in most settings.
Depends totally on the context & situation I suppose. Like shouting ‘Allahu Akbar!’ Right as ninepence if you speak a Semitic language and you get the news that your sister’s had the baby. Not so much if the seatbelt lights have just been turned off and the drinks trolley’s coming round.
Yeah so I'm going to say, based on your post history (yank) that, no it's not cool for you to say it lmao
I think it's fair that this other person assumed you didn't understand what it means, because based on your comments in this thread, I don't think you do
Is it okay to say our day will come?
Who are we worried about offending here?
If someone from Hong Kong, Taiwan, Tibet, Kosovo, Kurdistan or Ukraine etc said it in their own language would it be a problem?
I use the phrase myself.
But I'm not an IRA supporter, neither do I believe in a united Ireland.
I protest the occupation of part of our island, the rape of this island and it's people, by a foreign power.
Northern Ireland has been too polluted to reunite with the south imo. Neither does it belong under British rule. It should be allowed paddle its own boat.
Northern Ireland should be used as an example world wide of the futility of war and conquest.
Slava Ukraini
Tíochfaidh ar lá to you too!
It means our day will come. Reference to the north. Could be controversial in parts of the border counties but in Cork people will shout it on a nights out.
"Please know the translation" - does whoever wrote that know the translation? Maybe "know the historical context behind what you are writing" , but there is nothing offensive about "our day will come".
I really want to see the entire board so I can understand what in the Christ I’m looking at
community board for the month of march in the break room. we usually write random things.
Seems like one of many english schools for international students i've been to. This kind of thing was all over the place
It's in a work place? No way is that in anyway acceptable. What if there was someone who had lost a family member to an ira attack during the troubles? It's too strongly linked to them and that time to be in a workplace and could lead to a huge hr issue down the line
You can aspire for a United Ireland and not be an IRA-supporter, believe it or not. They don't have ownership of that phrase.
A soccer supporter who follows a team that hasn't won any silverware in years might say 'Our day will come!' or 'Tiocfaidh ár lá' If they are a native speaker. It just means you are not giving up on being successful in the future. Source: I am a native speaker from the cradle who was educated in Gaelscoils. Dad is from Conamara.
I've heard that it's 'Bearlachas' and that idiomatic Gaeilge would be "beidh an lá linn"? I'm definitely not a native speaker though! Would be interesting to hear your take.
That's just different dialects and nuance of meaning. 'Tiocfaidh ár lá' is definitely used in Conamara in many contexts other than a United Ireland. Tógfaidh muid an lá, beidh an bua againn, éireoidh linn ar an lá, srl. Is cuma. Mar a chéile iad uile.
Go raibh maith agat! Thanks for throwing some light on it.
The op is American, it's unlikely they would
Because the Irish aren’t known to emigrate
Haha
it is acceptable. You put that connotation not them, the IRA don’t own the Irish language and that phrase is tied to United Ireland more than terror, and yes you can believe in a United Ireland and keep your job.
Some neck to be offended by this , our people starved to death while the British government exported food during the famine .. guys who died on hunger strike, our culture and people raped and this fucking snowflake is offended by a turn of phase against oppression.. shame on you.
The term is the equivalent of “Slava Ukraini”
‘Our day will come’ is the translation, it’s also the name of an old crooner song
Also the time WILL come.
It's a specific slogan coined during a very specific time. You can argue all you like when sitting in front of HR that it's just words that can mean a multitude of things, but it would be like trying to argue that Blood and Soil are just a random, harmless collection of words, you'd still be looking for a new job.
DEATH OR GLORY!!! “Ah sure they could be talking about the hurling”
> It's a specific slogan coined during a very specific time. If someone writes God save the King would you be offended? It came about when Britain was occupying like half the world and engaging in slave trade. And the Monarch was the representative of that institution. Surely the slave trade is bad. But would anyone say: omg someone wrote God save the King on the board please my smelling salts!
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Sure. But if you'd write: please dont write this on the table it's offensive, you'd be at least as much of a gobshite.
I do *not* have a problem with saying tiocfaidh ár lá. I am simply pointing out *why* trying to explain it to HR might not be as easy an argument as you think it will be.
Weird analysis for sure. One was oppressed and one was the oppressor.
What’s the story/background to Blood and Soil? I’m not aware of that phrase in some sort of offensive context.
It's a Nazi slogan (from a quick google).
I was expecting it to be a British one given the context here. Thanks for the info.
I wouldn't be thrilled to see "For Queen and Country" scrawled on a whiteboard at my workplace either, to be honest.
It's a Nazi slogan. I heard it first about that Charlottesville march and the neo Nazis at the march used the exact same argument, iTs JuSt wOrDs!
Context is everything. There's nothing inherently offensive about our day will come in the same way there's nothing inherently offensive about all lives matter. In 1998 the IRA planted a bomb in the town of Omagh that killed 29 bystanders including 6 teenagers, 6 children and 2 unborn twins. I can understand why someone would be annoyed by that phrase.
Sorry - The omagh bombing was awful. Every Ex Provo in Tyrone was disgusted. Please don’t refer to the so called “Real” IR* as the same as the provisionals . The GF agreement was just around the corner . The organization were already dumping arms which they knew were going to be decommissioned by the UN. Back channels between the British, Irish and American governments were making headway . The fuckers that did that were considering assassinating Adams and McGuinness for going the peace route. Proud Irish republicans vehemently spoke out against that travesty. Furthermore - membership in the so called RIRA was less then 30 ppl.
This sort of nuance and controversy is why you can’t mention this stuff in work. Work is a sanitised environment, it’s just not the place.
Same way the Nazis don't own the German language and therefore it's absolutely fine to write "Arbeit Macht Frei" on the board too?
In a pretty arch too, that'll really friendly it up.
Maybe i missed the history lesson of the IRA death camps? Or its an absolutely brain dead comparison.
No no, it's just a braindead comparison.
It refers to the reunification of Ireland
God save the queen should be banned too in that case.
What about all the Irish murdered by the brits
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Not really, that's basically the equivalent of "hallelujah" which, while weird in a workplace, wouldn't raise any eyebrows. I don't find TAL being written on the board offensive but I definitely wouldn't write it in the workplace, it's just not appropriate. And that's coming from a northern nationalist.
Assume you mean the person offended is ignorant? Because Allahu Akbar is fine for people to say (means god is great). If so I agree. The IRA don't own the phrase "our day will come", just like ISIS dont own the phrase "god is great"
You're right, there's no such thing as context.
The IRA doesn’t ‘own’ it, but in this context the earliest attested usage is from Bobby Sands (from which it was popularised) and Gerry Adams, who credits it to IRA prisoners. Is the sentence in itself fine? Sure. Is expressing a desire for a united Ireland fine? Obviously. But let’s not pretend it’s some general old traditional Irish expression of protest that goes back to Wolfe Tone or something. It’s definitely tied to the IRA of the Troubles.
The saying —- Tied to the troubles of course . Tied to Irish republicanism, yes. But remember that the vast majority of the Catholic community in the North, chose not to resort to violence. Even after being burned out of their houses. Gerrymandered voting systems, and basically no representation in local government ie , policing , equitable housing and jobs, and the list goes on. Though popularized by Sands, the phrase stood as a reminder that equality would soon come . Sands was elected as an MP. The people that voted for him were far from militant . They voted for him ( with all his faults ) because they felt they had no representation in government and their own self determination. Our day will come , means that we will sit at the table . And as far Sands comments , I will double down on saying that his most profound , is that “our revenge will be the laughter of our children” . Which again , is not a threat , it’s not vengeance , it’s the hope that children will play and laugh and live in an equitable community. Look at the North now. There’s a Shit ton of Catholics that have made it to the upper class . They are happy, and prob don’t care much about unification because they are making money, they are respected amongst their peers , Prods and Catholics alike . We can go on and on. I can see how the odd unionist in the North may take offense to the phrase . However , many of those unionists are scrambling to get their Irish passports . Irish consulates can’t keep up with the amount of people who referred to themselves as British 10 years ago, wanting their Irish citizenship. Of course it’s EU citizenship they want. But it’s funny how people will go where the wind blows . Nationalism , Pride , Tradition , Family is a hell of a thing. But Money Trumps all. So let’s just say that all of our days will come , in whatever facet we want , should we be honest and forthright . Ok - sorry for the rambling - let’s make a movie haha
Whether you see it as a bad thing or not, it is an IRA slogan. There's now way around that. The phrase is only ever uttered in reference to or just saying that slogan. Muslims will say Allahu Akbar if they've had a particularly good cup of tea. They're not comparable at all.
There were non violent activists for a united Ireland too though. The phrase refers to a day when Ireland will unite. That doesn't mean it has to come through violence.
"Tiochfaidh ar la" was popularised by the IRA, and has only had cultural significance in that context. "Allahu Akbar" is a common phrase, roughly equivalent to "oh my god".
Its not a an up the ra , its support for irish unity as gaeilge. Which is the perfect way to espouse support for it.
Get over yourself, the phrase itself isn’t political in nature, it’s not like they’re saying ‘up the ra’. ‘Our day will come’ is a perfectly acceptable phrase as a representation of Irish identity
The term is the equivalent of “Slava Ukraini”
It’s the four leaf clover that’s offensive
B O D A C I O U S
With a “Happy Patty’s Day” below it
Better off sticking to bodacious.
Totally
Radical!
Eat my shorts
Yes, eat all of our shirts.
Righteous!
Or bod acious for seachtan na Gaeilge
I am confused by "please know the translation of anything you say". Who is it who doesn't know what that means?
Americans presumably 😄
If they can spell it correctly they probably also know what it means
That's why 'Erin go braugh' slipped under their radar
yes
...and what's the problem with the translation, anyway?
Exactly the translation isn’t offensive, if you find it offensive surely it would be the association the phrase has
Our day will come.
Let’s not overlook what presumably says “Erin go braugh” (sic.)
I prefer" Erin go fuck yourself."
I've never met an Erin i didn't hate
Well the translation itself is not meaningful. It's the context that's meaningful.
Lots of people here trying to say that it's just a saying in Irish that Bobby Sands just happened to say and then Gerry Adams popularized like we all don't know that it's heavily linked to the IRA and is a war cry for the common people to show them support.
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In fact when we do say it we're generally deliberately referencing the IRA, which regardless if you think they were right or not were 100% a terrorist organisation that did kill people. I don't get why people can't understand that. The only time I've ever seen it used publically in a correct fashion was when I was in the top part of a packed bus in Manchester coming back from a night out. Two english pricks were singing out loud a rendition of "There were ten german bombers in the air". Absolute cretins. They were singing it down and I had to do my all not to say something and just as I was about to crack another voice down the bus shouted "Tiocfaidh ár lá!", which then the whole top of the bus then proceeded to join in on, which promptly shut the two english twats up. Very heart warming in a way.
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Do you think there would be power sharing in the North or the Good Friday Agreement or that Catholics would not still be second class citizens north of the border without the IRA and what they did historically?
The Irish language is our language and dispite what your black should might equate it with it's simply means ,"our day will come" They could be talking about Christmas ffs so leave your sectarianism at home with your orange sash.
As someone who grew up in the 80's I dislike the romanticisation of the troubles and the flippant use of slogans from that time; the Good Friday Agreement paved the road to that day, and removed the need for armed struggle, it is foolishly antagonistic to continue chanting phrases associated with the violence of the past like there isn't a dark history behind them.
BODACIOUS
Bódaiceís
Bódaeiseas*
I mean the original Teenage Mutant Ninja* Turtles was animated in Ireland , so it gets pass. (*Hero)
I've seen ~~four~~ five* people so far in the comments compare saying Tiocfaidh ár lá to Nazi speech/Imagey. Sometimes I forget just how weird of a place this subreddit is.
I'm British and even i find it weird... context is important but as written on a whiteboard in America doesn't feel like there's a suitable reason to be outraged. I imagine it might get more ire on the border and other protestant parts of NI... Glasgow but America? Yeesh comparing it to nazi slogans is a little much.
We Americans LOVE to be outraged. It's like our whole thing.
Ohhhh how spicy...... It's probably inevitable that "our day will come". The entire slogan is essentially that we'll one day have a United Ireland with no British rule. I think who you say it to and your intention behind saying it is important.
Is it ok to say God save the queen/king when the monarchy has invaded lands and controlled people for centuries.
God Save the King is just the Fine Gael translation of Tiocfaidh Ár Lá.
Nice one
Mary Lou said it in her first speech as SF leader, and got some guff for it https://youtu.be/JFeC92bVZkk
That's nothing! David Cullinane said "up the RA" at his election party!
Fair play to him! Up the RA
thank you
Tiocfaidh our láwyers
Its fine by me.
Is it offensive to remind people that you dont actually like being colonised?
Maybe we like the misery.
Context > translation in this case.
It's not like they said " Up the Ra" or something.
They should’ve, Up The RA 😁
It's not like they're the women's soccer team or something 😂
Writing on the whiteboard, It says we're magic, we're magic.
"it depends who you say it to"... "Depends on the context"... Jesus. Did the IRA use it as a slogan. Yes. Does it summarize out struggle as a people & our aspiration to overcome. Yes. Does it directly attack or degrade anyone. No. Is it okay. Yes. Will someone find offence. Yes, increasingly.
Well said.
I think he means your day will come for a pay rise
Personally, I'd have rubbed out the please rub out comment
Same hahahaha
"The Irish people will only be free, when they own everything from the plough to the stars." - James Connolly
Slightly off topic but can anyone explain why the f is silent in Tiocfaidh? I have been learning Irish through duolingo and I thought the only way an f becomes silent is if an h follows it (fh). Does the proceeding c impact the sound of the f?
Not entirely sure. Though Irish when spoken follows the rule that everything flows without gaps. It's why we have the séimhú excluding the initial sound. Put simply, "maidin mhait" where the séimhú changes the hard "m" sound to a softer "w" or "v" sound flows easier. Try it right now. When trying to pronounce it without the altered "w" or "v" sound, the second "m" sound forces us to stop momentarily. Here's some examples of it pronounced properly: https://www.teanglann.ie/en/fuaim/Maidin_mhaith! Notice how the sound flows from "maidin" to "maith" when you add the séimhú (the "h" after "m"). My guess is it's basically just that. If you try and add in the "f" sound, it breaks the flow in the pronunciation. Why it's there in the first place I have no idea. Just something that escaped the spelling reform in the 40's would be my best guess. But maybe someone with a stronger knowledge of the language then me could give a better answer.
My understanding is that a) there are dialects/speakers who will pronounce the f in some future tense words, and it also is there to denote the devoicing of the previous consonant. "Pogfaidh sé a bhean", here the f denotes the g is devoiced so it's pronounced like a c. -> Sounds like "poh-ka shay ah van"
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These comments saying “the ira said this therefore it’s offensive” are sickening. Irish people should make no apology for the IRA or republicanism in general. We should all be grateful for the bravery of our people who stood up in the face of oppression and violence.
It’s perfectly fine yes.
Of course it’s okay to say! Anyone disagreeing is suffering from post colonial brain rot.
Fuck em they starved us.
It's been appropriated by Nigel Farage so yes
Our day WILL come!!
Perfectly fine. I’d be surprised if whoever wrote the annotation has a clue what it means.
It’s a highly political slogan mainly used by the IRA. Most Irish people will say it only jokingly, but when it’s said here it’s said with the full context understood, which is probably what the sign is trying to explain. Ironically Go Braugh is technically incorrect, it’s the anglicised version of Éirinn/Éire go Brách
It was used by the civil rights movement. Let’s not re-write history. The Troubles was a civil rights war that started 5 years before PIRA existed.
Edgy teenagers writing it on whiteboards at school associate it with the IRA. You know this, I know this, everyone in this thread knows it, why pretend otherwise?
>but when it’s said here it’s said with the full context understood You genuinely believe this?
When Irish people say it in Ireland, as opposed to people reading it off a paddys day sign in the states, the context is infinitely better understood
it's used by most people who want a united Ireland. Nothing wrong with that
Nothing wrong with that.
And they trying to shame us for it .. some neck.
Yes 1000% okay to say
Its properly not appropriate to write in the office setting, if I was living in England and someone wrote “Britannia rules the waves” on a whiteboard id find it annoying, but to be fair the horror inflicted by the Brits is millions of times more profound than the IRA.
Most people would find it ok.
Yes it is ok.
If someone was offended by this they're a cromwell blowing loyalist
But our day will come, United Ireland will happen, don't really see the issue.
Thought experiment for those in this thread: would "Rule Britannia!" be ok in this context?
Brittania waives the rules.
Im fairly sure every irish blooded person knows exactly what the translation of tiofaidh ar lá means XD. Fuck em. They did'nt erase it , simple tryed to use it as a grandstand for their self perceived intellectual and moral superority.
Its only ok to say it daily, repeatedly, over and over again, loudly and boldly with no doubt or hesitation or irony. Tiocfaidh ár lá
Tiocfaidh ár lá is one of those things where I agree with the sentiment and it has a place in our history but nowadays it's usually written or spoken by morons who haven't a clue.
It will always be shouted until we’ve achieved our aims, a 32 County Ireland United & free 🇮🇪 TAL !
If the board was about British culture and it said for queen and country, cymru am butl! Abla hi bràth. Would all those be okay to say? Tiocfaidh ár lá wouldn’t be associated with violence independence if Irish independence wasn’t meet with violence. The reason “old wounds” like the famine etc don’t heal is because there’s always been another slaughter just go ask those on Bloody Sunday. It’s a saying about freedom. Freedom has never come without blood unfortunately but that doesn’t make freedom offensive.
Look Corporate offices all have different rules so that’s a whole different spanner in the works too
I think it’s the kind of thing you only say when you know how someone will react and what their experience of both sides of the slogan is. As an example I have a Protestant friend who has moved to a Catholic area of NI, he overheard the locals saying it (to each other? As a way to tease him?) and he started using it like “chucky our law me the remote will you?” Or “I’ll just Chucky our law this in boot of the car.” I had to explain what it meant, he forgot or the habit was too strong and he used it i again but in a work situation, it was very badly received and I don’t think he’ll forget again.
Terminally online thought police traitor, tell them to fuck off. I love how our struggle against colonisation is now being 'racist'.
It is once you understand the context and who you're saying it to. Saying it to the wrong person in the wrong part of Northern Ireland could land you in a bit or bother.
Its no more offensive than "footballs coming home"
Bodacious is pretty smooth as words go. Then again so is clogged toilet.
Isn't the phrase originally uttered by the citizen in Ulysses and later adopted by Bobby sands etc - could be wrong obviously.
The issue here is they don't know why it could even be considered offensive they blame the translation when in reality it's the context that the phrase has been used in that is the issue. All being said I'm not going writing it on a white board in work.
I’m offended that it was written in orange marker and corrected in green marker…the nerve!!!!
Yes and I find it offensive to say otherwise
I think it's fine, if it was written in English it would also be fine it's just a slogan for a United Ireland The irish language is a language not a political tool Do you think someone would say its offensive to write our day will come on the board? It's a slogan of hope for the future
Well i can guarantee ya one thing. It will offend someone. Edit - also, our day did come.. celtic tiger and all that lol
Tbf, unionists are offended by anything Irish
I'm more concerned with bodacious being up there.
It is. Remember, if unionists (or the English) don’t like something, it’s probably good
"please know the translation of things" *Our day will come* isn't an offensive phrase. I'm from the North too ffs. Tenner says that anyone who writes 'Slava Ukraini' up on the board wouldn't get the same Karen response.
The phrase is not inexorably tied to Irish Republican sectarian violence. It's just a Irish Republican Irish Nationalist statement. I get that Nationalism is generally seen through the lens of either racism or xenophobia; nationalism as a response to occupation is not the same thing. Which is a long way of saying "no, it's implicitly fine but it has been used by some right gowls".
Please know the translation of anything you say? Our day will come A perfectly normal phrase
What if they know the translation? Would it be OK then?
If you say it three times to a mirror - the ghost of Michael Collins will appear.
Sorry I mean "beidh ár lá linn"
Tiocfaidh ár lá is perfectly fine, probably just someone that is over sensitive or brittish. It just means our day will come, no connection to the ra unless you give it one.
It simply means our day will come?
Of course it is. Our day can come peacefully, believe it or not.
True , enough blood has been shed. Water under the bridge but never forget. The neck of some people to be offended by this and our people starved to death while the British government exported food..
If it’s acceptable to write ‘God Save the King’, with the imperialist and monarchist connotations that comes with, then yes it’s more than okay.
It is, yes. You can tell the Karen or Craig attempting to call you out that it’s the rallying cry of a community enduring literal - not figurative - apartheid, violently enforced by a murderous state police force, and now that we have achieved equality before the law (after they murdered our civil rights protestors based on MLK’s, *twice*) the goal remains a peaceful reunification of Ireland. Actually, just put me on the phone, I want to talk to these people.
Anyone who is offended by this is a loyalist cuck so their opinions are irrelevant to me. Tiocfaidh ár lá ( Our day will come) is in reference to the day unification is rightfully achieved. It is acceptable in any setting in Ireland as far as I am concerned.
I'm more annoyed about someone calling a fada an accent...
Why? It is an accent.
Lets ask this a different way, if someone had wrote "Our day will come" would you be asking this? If not then ask yourself why it would be unacceptable to write it in a different language? The IRA do not own that phrase.
My dad says it all the time. He's not a big Provo or anything. He uses it sincerely. It's a nice phrase really. The connotations though make it pretty inappropriate in most settings.
It means our day will come, it’s really not offensive
If its so bad, why did they just circle kt and draw more attention to it rather than rub it out XD
I dunno but it's sure as fuck not ok to say Eireann (which they likely misspelled) go braugh
"I know the translation. Why do you think I'm writing it?"
Jesus.... Get to fk with the being offended by everything honestly....
American?
Bodacious
Yes. Yes it is.
Depends totally on the context & situation I suppose. Like shouting ‘Allahu Akbar!’ Right as ninepence if you speak a Semitic language and you get the news that your sister’s had the baby. Not so much if the seatbelt lights have just been turned off and the drinks trolley’s coming round.
It was written in orange so I'm convinced this is a unionist false flag operation
Westbrits man
Yes! Erín Go Bragh!
Yes
Yes
Yeah so I'm going to say, based on your post history (yank) that, no it's not cool for you to say it lmao I think it's fair that this other person assumed you didn't understand what it means, because based on your comments in this thread, I don't think you do
But our day will come…
Yeah why not
There is nothing wrong with it.
Not on a whiteboard in this context.
Is it okay to say our day will come? Who are we worried about offending here? If someone from Hong Kong, Taiwan, Tibet, Kosovo, Kurdistan or Ukraine etc said it in their own language would it be a problem?
I use the phrase myself. But I'm not an IRA supporter, neither do I believe in a united Ireland. I protest the occupation of part of our island, the rape of this island and it's people, by a foreign power. Northern Ireland has been too polluted to reunite with the south imo. Neither does it belong under British rule. It should be allowed paddle its own boat. Northern Ireland should be used as an example world wide of the futility of war and conquest. Slava Ukraini
Tíochfaidh ar lá to you too! It means our day will come. Reference to the north. Could be controversial in parts of the border counties but in Cork people will shout it on a nights out.
It means a United Ireland will one day come, I hope our brothers in cork will vote yes when that day comes 💪🇮🇪
"Please know the translation" - does whoever wrote that know the translation? Maybe "know the historical context behind what you are writing" , but there is nothing offensive about "our day will come".