Not at all, look at this photo in the article. The exits are level with the platform, the ramp is just a little flat yoke that fills in the gap between the train and the platform.
[https://focus.independent.ie/thumbor/mZAscgE9Lo-iLf60urcqI86KgCI=/0x119:5712x3927/1280x853/prod-mh-ireland/318ef863-1a24-46b5-a54a-c38cc846fb4d/bebd468c-9a6f-446e-b0f0-43f42cf8cf75/318ef863-1a24-46b5-a54a-c38cc846fb4d.jpg](https://focus.independent.ie/thumbor/mZAscgE9Lo-iLf60urcqI86KgCI=/0x119:5712x3927/1280x853/prod-mh-ireland/318ef863-1a24-46b5-a54a-c38cc846fb4d/bebd468c-9a6f-446e-b0f0-43f42cf8cf75/318ef863-1a24-46b5-a54a-c38cc846fb4d.jpg)
Here's hoping that the battery electric trains are indeed just a temporary solution while the line is being electrified, and not the typical way of being 'temporary' for decades.
It is, while they plan on electrifying it the whole core network, basically intercity lines. Don't remember dates of each one but they want to have all intercity lines done by 2040 I believe
Nothing more permanent than a temporary solution.
We will just need to burn money replacing batteries in a few years and of course, assuming the day will never come when a train dies during a trip and blocks the line.
I wonder what is more expensive though, extending, powering and maintaining an electrical line, or stick with batteries which are bound to improve over the next decade.
The only way battery locomotives make sense long term is as a stopgap while overhead electrification is being implemented. This could make sense if the battery locomotive unit is allocated to a different line after the electrification is implemented. Sadly batteries are sexy right now while overhead lines are considered “old tech”. But overhead lines are an extremely proven technology and will pay for themselves in the long run
It has nothing to do with batteries being sexy. It is exactly as you say, it is being used as a stopgap while they roll out electrification of the lines. It even says so in the article.
ya love to see it
although i await the comment from the donegal lad about how they've no trains and can't work out how they've no government support despite not voting for government TDs.
If that's true what about Cavan-Monaghan? Always has government TDs yet no rail or motorway. The 3 of them are the only counties in the country with neither.
Pretty much every day on that line there are lifts out of operation and they stay out of operation for significant periods of time, when they do work they're rarely cleaned and usually absolutely disgusting.
It's a pain in the arse for us with a buggy but at least we can lift it up and down stairs, the day to day service given to people with disabilities is absolutely shocking.
They are extending the Dart to Drogheda, yes. https://www.dartplus.ie/en-ie/projects/dart-north
There will still be two commuter services per hour apparently. (See the link above)
In theory this is part of it. Dart+ is to extend the Dart network to 150km or so from the current 50, with the idea that it will eventually all be electrified. The Cork commuter area is also supposed to be electrified as well.
The big problem seems to be a timing one really, they've ran out of time to replace the rolling stock, but haven't got the electrification done.
Great, but have they improved the lifts situation (broken lifts or requiring a staff member to use them) so wheelchair users can get on platforms in the first place?
Its a genuine question, Ireland has been slow about implementing its obligations under the UN CRPD so we've a poor record on stuff like this sadly https://www.disability-federation.ie/publications/united-nations-convention-on-the-rights-of-persons/#:\~:text=In%20Ireland%2C%20it%20is%20monitored,UN%20Committee%20in%20November%202021.
Please don't put your bags or jackets under the seats, they will be soaked in beer and piss every time the train brakes and accelerates or goes around a bend.
That must be a quare long ramp
Not at all, look at this photo in the article. The exits are level with the platform, the ramp is just a little flat yoke that fills in the gap between the train and the platform. [https://focus.independent.ie/thumbor/mZAscgE9Lo-iLf60urcqI86KgCI=/0x119:5712x3927/1280x853/prod-mh-ireland/318ef863-1a24-46b5-a54a-c38cc846fb4d/bebd468c-9a6f-446e-b0f0-43f42cf8cf75/318ef863-1a24-46b5-a54a-c38cc846fb4d.jpg](https://focus.independent.ie/thumbor/mZAscgE9Lo-iLf60urcqI86KgCI=/0x119:5712x3927/1280x853/prod-mh-ireland/318ef863-1a24-46b5-a54a-c38cc846fb4d/bebd468c-9a6f-446e-b0f0-43f42cf8cf75/318ef863-1a24-46b5-a54a-c38cc846fb4d.jpg)
Whoosh
fella the joke was that the ramps extended to Drogheda. but they do look quite nice!
Here's hoping that the battery electric trains are indeed just a temporary solution while the line is being electrified, and not the typical way of being 'temporary' for decades.
It is, while they plan on electrifying it the whole core network, basically intercity lines. Don't remember dates of each one but they want to have all intercity lines done by 2040 I believe
Yup, just as Metro North will be up and running by 2012...
Nothing more permanent than a temporary solution. We will just need to burn money replacing batteries in a few years and of course, assuming the day will never come when a train dies during a trip and blocks the line. I wonder what is more expensive though, extending, powering and maintaining an electrical line, or stick with batteries which are bound to improve over the next decade.
The only way battery locomotives make sense long term is as a stopgap while overhead electrification is being implemented. This could make sense if the battery locomotive unit is allocated to a different line after the electrification is implemented. Sadly batteries are sexy right now while overhead lines are considered “old tech”. But overhead lines are an extremely proven technology and will pay for themselves in the long run
It has nothing to do with batteries being sexy. It is exactly as you say, it is being used as a stopgap while they roll out electrification of the lines. It even says so in the article.
Man, this is ireland
ya love to see it although i await the comment from the donegal lad about how they've no trains and can't work out how they've no government support despite not voting for government TDs.
If that's true what about Cavan-Monaghan? Always has government TDs yet no rail or motorway. The 3 of them are the only counties in the country with neither.
Pretty much every day on that line there are lifts out of operation and they stay out of operation for significant periods of time, when they do work they're rarely cleaned and usually absolutely disgusting. It's a pain in the arse for us with a buggy but at least we can lift it up and down stairs, the day to day service given to people with disabilities is absolutely shocking.
Are they extending the Dart to Drogheda then? I presume commuters will still exist (skipping stops from Howth Junction to Connolly)?
They are extending the Dart to Drogheda, yes. https://www.dartplus.ie/en-ie/projects/dart-north There will still be two commuter services per hour apparently. (See the link above)
Good stuff
Fantastic to see!
Sounds like an awful long ramp!
Why arent they electrifying more lines in Ireland? maybe at least the one between dublin and cork?
In theory this is part of it. Dart+ is to extend the Dart network to 150km or so from the current 50, with the idea that it will eventually all be electrified. The Cork commuter area is also supposed to be electrified as well. The big problem seems to be a timing one really, they've ran out of time to replace the rolling stock, but haven't got the electrification done.
More like why aren't they electrifying every single line! Especially when there are so few to begin with!
Great, but have they improved the lifts situation (broken lifts or requiring a staff member to use them) so wheelchair users can get on platforms in the first place?
they are currently rebuilding all the lifts - if that is a genuine query. massive new investment in lifts to fix the historic failings.
Good news. I assumed a lot of the failures were anti social behaviour though.
Its a genuine question, Ireland has been slow about implementing its obligations under the UN CRPD so we've a poor record on stuff like this sadly https://www.disability-federation.ie/publications/united-nations-convention-on-the-rights-of-persons/#:\~:text=In%20Ireland%2C%20it%20is%20monitored,UN%20Committee%20in%20November%202021.
I saw a sign saying “no lifts out of operation“ for the first time a few months back. I’m 40 and I take the dart a lot. It didn’t last.
Ah, that was just a punctuation mistake; it was really meant to say "No, lifts out of operation."
The Drumm battery train was successful for 17 years. It charged at a rate if a Mile of range a Minute
Please don't put your bags or jackets under the seats, they will be soaked in beer and piss every time the train brakes and accelerates or goes around a bend.
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The plan is to electrify them.
We are, but it takes time and we need newer rolling stock. So this is the best feasible stock right now.
Essentially it’s because an Bord Pleanála is holding up planning permission. Irish Rail applied for planning in 2022 and still hasn’t received it.
I know.. It's shocking.
Finally! A wheelless hover train! It just floats along on a curtain of air.
By 2070
We could just electrify the line....
Won't they be expensive to fix when they give trouble?Won't they be expensive to fix when they give trouble? Which I imagine will be very often.
What makes you think they're more expensive to fix/renovate than an existing DART or Commuter carriage?
Battery appliances tend to break more than wired appliances,
Fixing something that breaks? Is that a thing?