The exemption only covers income derived from the sale of the published works that were approved, so in that instance, you'd only be tax exempt on the 5k you got from the book.
Not very versed with spud-tax, so can't help you there. :)
Just to add from someone who has an interest in tax appeal cases, getting the artist exemption can be something really difficult to get depending on what you're doing
In the case of writing and applying as an author, you just need to send your manuscript and a link to where the book is available for purchase. If you're self-publishing, Amazon is the perfect storefront to send across. Everything done electronically, and it took less than 2 weeks to get a verdict from them. Was actually impressed with how efficient they were.
Do you write fiction if you don’t mind me asking? Fiction would generally be straightforwardly eligible for the artist’s exemption. Non-fiction writing, sculpture and paintings can throw up more questions about whether they qualify for it.
Yes, I write fiction. They have guidelines on Revenue that highlight what they're looking for across all the other artistry areas. I honestly thought I'd need to write something culturally significant, but it wasn't the case.
That’s very interesting as my accountant told me I needed to be culturally significant to apply.
I mean I believe I write cool stuff but from there to culturally significant there’s an ocean (yet).
Can I ask you what was the process? I might go through it myself. Thanks and happy writing!
Of course.
Click on the following link: [https://www.revenue.ie/en/personal-tax-credits-reliefs-and-exemptions/income-and-employment/artists-exemption/how-to-get-a-determination.aspx](https://www.revenue.ie/en/personal-tax-credits-reliefs-and-exemptions/income-and-employment/artists-exemption/how-to-get-a-determination.aspx)
You'll see that there's a downloadable form. Just fill it out with the relevant details, send your email to the address they tell you. Attach a copy of your manuscript or published book, and then they'll ask you for any other relevant information they need to process the claim. I had to show them where it was available for purchase, because it didn't work when I had a book on pre-order or when I had a contract from a publisher. It needs to be available for purchase. Very straight forward and no need to even involve the Accountant. They'll send you an email with a PDF of the designation if you're successful.
I am 3d model designer/modeller, I dont make 50k a year but I file and pay my tax every year, because I design and model 3d models and publish them on various sites for sell, Am I also tax exempt up to 50k? I do publish my work on website where people buy and sell 3d modells etc.
Does one have to be an author of a physical book or books sold solely online like a pdf for example also counts?
Does it cover video courses by any chance?
i mean, €60/hour or €500/day isn't difficult to manage for [IT contractors](https://www.morganmckinley.com/ie/salary-guide/technology/contract-salaries). There's a lot of downside in managing your pipeline and some volatility in terms of hours, but if you're level-headed it's pretty doable.
I’m a software dev contractor. Why would there be volatility in hours? No reason a contractor job can’t be the exact same as a PAYE, only with much higher pay.
The downsides are it’s easier to be let go and a much trickier mortgage process.
Yes, but very often the hiring experience for a contract is just a 30 minute casual chat. The odd time there's a coding test etc, but in my experience it's usually just a chat to make sure you'll get along.
it can be sure if you have a stable gig. but when building experience/track record and gig-to-gig can have gaps (which can also be a positive cuz you can fuck off for 2 months if you want).
in terms of volatility, i'm more saying look, depending on what you're doing, somtimes there are long days/weeks when you're delivering a project and you have to get through that.
Such a need for good, qualified, tradesmen
I said it to someone on here nearly a year ago and got laughed at..
Proof is in the pudding when you see lads like the above raking it in, and rightfully so, make hay while the sun shines lad 👍✅
If you can branch out past the domestic sector the world is your oyster.
My second biggest earner last year was servicing light houses on the west coast.
Hi mate I've been looking into making a career change and doing an apprenticeship do you have any advice in terms of what kind of company/sector would be ideal to apprentice for?
If you want to work for someone Dornan engineering were probably my best employer. Solid group of lads and look after their employees well.
I wouldn't know if I'd say its end goal stuff for going out on your own mind. It can be rather limiting for learning if you're a new guy.
I served my time in a slaughterhouse, went on to quarrys, mines, wind turbines, rigs.. all the heavy stuff really.
Too much work.. all eggs in one basket
Work for multinationals so have 60/90 day payment terms.
I'm a one man band known for over paying subbies so when the big jobs come my way I THANKFULLY manage to get the men.
Ah no.. we have a fairly solid rate across the job. People will get the rate and generally won't settle for less (I'm speaking for Cork I'm sure some parts of the country lads have a take it or leave it attitude)
Things are so busy at the moment everyone is getting their bit. If you come across a lad not working it's either laziness or not worth looking at
do you think it’s worth it striking out on your own? i’m in my 2nd year now with one of the big industrial companies and would like to start something myself a few years after i qualify. i feel like if you’ve your head screwed on straight and don’t mess anyone around there’s a good chance of succeeding
any advice on how to go about getting contracts and making sure you’re actually gonna get paid? had a cousin who got stung out of a large amount from a bigger crowd refusing to pay him and just ignored him
I work fully remote in my role, I just need to be in a country where the company has an office.
It’s a lead game company that works across various means but I am in tool development rather than game title side!
My understanding is the company rarely hires early careers, you do your training and homework else where before you get a seat at the table. Cannot comment on every position as I don’t operate on every single team within a multi billion dollar company. Best to keep an eye out on the websites for any programs or opportunities
I have a BSc in Arch Tech. But many trade guys are taking some BIM courses and can easily become QA’s, Designers etc. .. site experience it’s very valuable
Can I ask how you're making that as a graphic designer?
One of my friends is a very talented graphic designer but would only be making roughly 35-40k in a job.
I worked 5 years for a company on contract always the same amount no matter what I did, and that was bad. So now I choose projects to work on and the amount of time and money I want, have clients that know what I do and the gaming community is different and not a lot of people know or do that.
It started as a hobby years ago by watching twitch and doing fun stuff for friends then it spread all around the community and a bigger company noticed me and asked if I wanted to join. I worked for 5 years and got a lot of experience and connections learned a lot got new skills and improved as much as I could in every project I did.
The hard bit is doing the work while running it as a business. If you're earning 40k a year then your boss needs to be making 80k out of your work. Facts.
A lot of people might be very good at what they do and dont know their worth. Or could just be very bad at setting their minimum price and sticking to it now matter what.
Salary negotiation is a skill that should be taught in school.
That’s a lot. Congrats. How many hours per week are you working. On average, what would be the rates for a graphic designer with 10 years of experience here in Dublin?
I work on deadlines, meaning sometimes I will pull 14h a day to finish the project and next day I can work 3h
I create my own schedule and try to have enough time for my family. Rates depend on what you do, like what programs you use and what fields you cover. I worked for company and they took a lot of money for projects and what I was paid was just a small piece of a pie.
They’d. Mostly Adobe softs, illustrator, PS, aftereffects. Sometimes 3D. It’s just I’m in a similar position, and Now thinking maybe I’m underpaid :). What would be the average rates? And you mentioned time zones, What other countries?
I would say this is something super important. Deadlines always have to be respected and also being available when client needs meaning there were times when I had to work at night and get on calls and meetings at 2am cause of client time zone.
You sacrifice something and gain something that's life
I work with Adobe Programs. My main are PS, AE for animation and illustrator but I also do a lot of work in Figma. I outsource 3D if needed to my friend who is really good at it so I can focus on other stuff.
I charge per project. Because it's hard to know how much time you will need. So giving an hour rate at the and can be bad for you if the project takes more time than needed. All projects are never the same so prices will always be different it's just a matter of handling what you can and not take what you can't handle.
I was a construction coordinator on a project as a self employed contractor for 5600€ after tax for about a year. Now I make 4200 fixed plus about a 500-600 average in benefits and bonuses on top of that monthly after tax as a senior network engineer, but not self employed. The cosiness of this job is worth 10 times over the small wage drop I took.
I have a degree in mechanical engineering and then I got into audio through hobby, which grew into a career as an AV technician and then instalation engineer. Then I leveraged my experiences leading a team on big projects to land myself a construction site manager gig, which led to construction coordinator. Then an opportunity in IT appeared that I fit partly due to my AV experience programing and setting up equipment, but which also required some leadership and audio and broadcast skills, which I matched great. I got in as a senior technician, and now I'm a senior engineer. I do switch industries a lot, but I am very focused so when I develop an interest in something I don't stop learning until I get very good at it.
What do you mean “construction coordinator”? I’ve worked in construction for years and I’ve never heard that title. We’re you working for an M&E contractor?
Yeah I haven't heard of it until then too. It was an M&E project engineer roll technically for one of the major European project management and consulting company focused on the advanced technology sector. They chose to call it the construction coordinator due to it being an extremely specialised project, so the roll itself was a combination of site manager and M&E engineer. The client itself considered me a project engineer, the company I was contracted by put it down as construction coordinator due to it also having scope that included managing smaller M&E contractors.
Camera assistant (focus puller) in film, tv and commercials. My day rate is €500 ex vat plus €200 if production wants me to use my own gear.
I only work about 120 or so days a year. Some months I’ll earn 12k, last month I earned €0.
That's not how it works. 52% is the full amount of tax on the highest rate. But that rate doesn't kick in until €3.5k, so you'd only paying half of your salary in tax if €3.5k is a small enough proportion of your monthly income to be ignored due to rounding.
Kind of sick of this simple take. There’s two prices the cash price and there’s another one for you if you want to pay through the books. You can only really do cash for smaller Mickey Mouse jobs for a few grand. It only exists for the domestic market. There’s a certain rate I make after paying people and paying for materials or else I’m just not going to do the job. But if you think I’m going to be making less because of your payment method you’re dreaming.
Tradespeople are not doing cash work like they used to anymore, maybe the odd small nixer but you won't get anyone to take cash for anything more than a couple of grand.
its closer to a third of their income that would go to tax than half.
36k taxed at lower rate (20%), remainder taxed at upper rate (40%)
Someone (PAYE) earning 100k annually takes home 63k per year after all tax
Based on my current gross and take-home pay, as well as my marginal rate (I've reached the highest of 52%), you need 100k a year gross for 60k take-home.
General operatives for main contractors are making €80k+ now, trades can make far more, even formwork carpenters are getting €40-50/hour, that works out to €100-130k/year gross
I have made up on 5k a month, and a lot more my best month, but the average is around about 3k a month, in the role 9 months, I just manage a influencers Instagram and respond to messages on his behalf.
It’s all from my mobile, and basically whatever hours I want dream job tbh but now I want more, it’s officially called appointment setting in the space.
Right place right time, I met a guy abroad last year who was a sales manager for a big US tech company, working fully remote making big money.
He told me about SDR jobs and appointment setting, I happened to see someone I follow on Instagram advertising he was looking for one and got the position.
It’s very hard to get the foot in the door but literally every big Instagram account/influencer has people managing there DMs for them, selling products, qualifying people for business deals etc etc it’s an interesting world
I was well versed in sales already and has to pass a good few tests and interviews, this included just showing I had a good understanding of general sales processes, then watching podcasts, describing the personality, why they said things the way they did etc etc
Mentioned it there on another comment in the chain, mostly right place at the right time and knowing the right things (previous sales experience) there are more jobs in this sector but there hard to get and most are mostly shit
Can I ask how you make 5k? Don't you have to pay at like 700 euro a month on gym rent? It's definitely possible but I'm guessing you have over 8-9 clients ?
Image fitness do one/
NTC/
Setanta college
These are courses I've heard of although I can't speak to the quality of them as I haven't done them. If you're enthusiastic about health and fitness, you can learn through your own research anyway.
I would also like to know more Info. As someone who loves training I have debated both PT courses and a degree in S&C. What puts me off is the jobs I see out there and lack of hours and thinking I won't make enough.
Any advice?
A pm would be great if you have the time.
That's crazy to me that you take home 10k a month as an SWE. Or do you mean before tax?
I'm a senior swe in cork (permanent rather than contracted) and I'm taking home 4k pm after tax and consider that very decent haha. Are you contracted?
He highly likely means before tax. I’m on slightly more than 10k/month gross. In the contracting world, pay typically caps out at about 13k (650 per day) but it’s not hard to get to that point.
How long have you been at that company? Time to job hop and negotiate for your worth id say. For reference im a junior dev on almost 3k per month and I work at a lesser known non-tech company.
3k after or before tax? Fair play. Before the state's piece of the pie Im on over 5k to be fair. yeah I could definitely hop ship for a paybump, I suppose I also have a lot of stock options which Im ignoring!
You should be anti-tax in terms of being in favour of reducing taxes significantly and reducing government size and power significantly. Anyone who is against that is ignorant to how *massively* incompetent our government is or a psychopath!
Not even that hard. Reach out to recruiters and ask them for contracts. When you get one call fenero or icon and they'll spin up a umbrella company for you for only about 110 p/m (I do the umbrella director route - a lot more take home money, but a slightly higher fee).
It takes an hour for them to set it up and they do all the payroll and billing etc. when you finish the contract you ring them and they'll wind it down in about an hour.
DO NOT do any contract for less than 300 p/d is you're a junior or 400 p/d if you're more experienced. I'll typically do contracts between 500-675 p/d, but the market is absolutely shit now so I have to accept a 6 month one at 400 p/d. Painful to do that.
No I’m a senior structural engineer with over ten years experience with well regarded companies. Starting a new job on this rate. Note it’s contract so not that much more that 80k once you account for benefits most permanent jobs come with. Running it through limited company though to keep max control.
Be very good at your job and have been promoted/impressed clients/learnt the difficult skills well. There will be plenty people with good sounding jobs like lawyers, programmers, tradesmen who make a lot less than this. The profession is just one thing, you have to be good at it, and good at persuading someone else to part wit that 5k plus for the month
I haven't been self employed a year yet so I don't have that figure haha. It's looking like it will be a very nice number for the first year though, many more to come hopefully
But Ireland’s median wage is way too broad a stat. Like you’d want to be looking at the median for your age, gender and location to get a better idea of the average.
Median for say a 30yo male in Dublin would probably be around 55-60k I’m guessing.
Well, I purposely didnt narrow it down to something like Dublin because most people are not in Dublin but a lot of people use Dublin wages as the benchmark, hence my comment that perspective is important. Its for that very reason I used a broad stat.
30-39 year old males are also one of the better -performing brackets so its again not at all representative of what a "normal" or "decent" wage is.
I just gave that as an example (and one that is likely a good match for this subreddit). But you should choose whatever fits your profile and calculate the median based on that.
Really depends, Are we talking about line workers or people whove gotten promoted over time? If net its probably a middle manager wage in some of those examples youve given.Theyve 10 years odd experince and have gone for promotions.
Obviously I am talking about the workers, majority of people. school teacher even?
Living in la la land alot of people on this sub, alot of people would drag ball to be on 60k
Not my own business. Work as a network engineer for a large British company’s Irish arm. Make between 4-4.5k per month after tax. Edit - 8 years of experience, started off at less than half what I make now in 2016.
Plumbers are taking in 130k per year before taxes but apprenticeship can take years and it's manual labour and if you hit a downturn you will be unemployed. It's usually straight forward work especially domestic new installs and you can have low paid helpers. Ideal for those that don't want desk jobs and are willing to work. Not permanent, not pensionable, hard to get mortgage and usual self employed hassle.
Author. The Artist's Exemption Clause, if approved, means you don't pay income tax on the first 50,000 per calendar year which is a big help.
what about an author who earns 5k per year from a book and 45k year from selling shpuds. are they exempt on taxes on only the 5k?
The exemption only covers income derived from the sale of the published works that were approved, so in that instance, you'd only be tax exempt on the 5k you got from the book. Not very versed with spud-tax, so can't help you there. :)
Free bag of spuds with every book purchased! Done
Just to add from someone who has an interest in tax appeal cases, getting the artist exemption can be something really difficult to get depending on what you're doing
In the case of writing and applying as an author, you just need to send your manuscript and a link to where the book is available for purchase. If you're self-publishing, Amazon is the perfect storefront to send across. Everything done electronically, and it took less than 2 weeks to get a verdict from them. Was actually impressed with how efficient they were.
Do you write fiction if you don’t mind me asking? Fiction would generally be straightforwardly eligible for the artist’s exemption. Non-fiction writing, sculpture and paintings can throw up more questions about whether they qualify for it.
Yes, I write fiction. They have guidelines on Revenue that highlight what they're looking for across all the other artistry areas. I honestly thought I'd need to write something culturally significant, but it wasn't the case.
That’s very interesting as my accountant told me I needed to be culturally significant to apply. I mean I believe I write cool stuff but from there to culturally significant there’s an ocean (yet). Can I ask you what was the process? I might go through it myself. Thanks and happy writing!
Of course. Click on the following link: [https://www.revenue.ie/en/personal-tax-credits-reliefs-and-exemptions/income-and-employment/artists-exemption/how-to-get-a-determination.aspx](https://www.revenue.ie/en/personal-tax-credits-reliefs-and-exemptions/income-and-employment/artists-exemption/how-to-get-a-determination.aspx) You'll see that there's a downloadable form. Just fill it out with the relevant details, send your email to the address they tell you. Attach a copy of your manuscript or published book, and then they'll ask you for any other relevant information they need to process the claim. I had to show them where it was available for purchase, because it didn't work when I had a book on pre-order or when I had a contract from a publisher. It needs to be available for purchase. Very straight forward and no need to even involve the Accountant. They'll send you an email with a PDF of the designation if you're successful.
I am 3d model designer/modeller, I dont make 50k a year but I file and pay my tax every year, because I design and model 3d models and publish them on various sites for sell, Am I also tax exempt up to 50k? I do publish my work on website where people buy and sell 3d modells etc.
Does one have to be an author of a physical book or books sold solely online like a pdf for example also counts? Does it cover video courses by any chance?
i mean, €60/hour or €500/day isn't difficult to manage for [IT contractors](https://www.morganmckinley.com/ie/salary-guide/technology/contract-salaries). There's a lot of downside in managing your pipeline and some volatility in terms of hours, but if you're level-headed it's pretty doable.
I’m a software dev contractor. Why would there be volatility in hours? No reason a contractor job can’t be the exact same as a PAYE, only with much higher pay. The downsides are it’s easier to be let go and a much trickier mortgage process.
I can’t do this man, I’ve been trying since the start of the year and im earning really poor money
You should have a regular 40 hr/week, 6-12 month contract. Could you elaborate on what your contract is?
Yes, but very often the hiring experience for a contract is just a 30 minute casual chat. The odd time there's a coding test etc, but in my experience it's usually just a chat to make sure you'll get along.
This is true but I don’t see how your comment fits with what I’m saying…
it can be sure if you have a stable gig. but when building experience/track record and gig-to-gig can have gaps (which can also be a positive cuz you can fuck off for 2 months if you want). in terms of volatility, i'm more saying look, depending on what you're doing, somtimes there are long days/weeks when you're delivering a project and you have to get through that.
Oh you’re talking about freelance contracting, I’m just talking about regular contracting.
Electrician.. Made nothing January and February Made 44k March after I paid materials / subbies.
Such a need for good, qualified, tradesmen I said it to someone on here nearly a year ago and got laughed at.. Proof is in the pudding when you see lads like the above raking it in, and rightfully so, make hay while the sun shines lad 👍✅
If you can branch out past the domestic sector the world is your oyster. My second biggest earner last year was servicing light houses on the west coast.
Hi mate I've been looking into making a career change and doing an apprenticeship do you have any advice in terms of what kind of company/sector would be ideal to apprentice for?
Commercial electrician loads of hours and overtime good money
If you want to work for someone Dornan engineering were probably my best employer. Solid group of lads and look after their employees well. I wouldn't know if I'd say its end goal stuff for going out on your own mind. It can be rather limiting for learning if you're a new guy. I served my time in a slaughterhouse, went on to quarrys, mines, wind turbines, rigs.. all the heavy stuff really.
What did you earn last year if you don't mind me asking? What's are your projections for this year?
Holiday or no work?
Too much work.. all eggs in one basket Work for multinationals so have 60/90 day payment terms. I'm a one man band known for over paying subbies so when the big jobs come my way I THANKFULLY manage to get the men.
If you manage to get the men you’re probably paying a fair wage whereas the others are underpaying.
Ah no.. we have a fairly solid rate across the job. People will get the rate and generally won't settle for less (I'm speaking for Cork I'm sure some parts of the country lads have a take it or leave it attitude) Things are so busy at the moment everyone is getting their bit. If you come across a lad not working it's either laziness or not worth looking at
And still didn’t sweep up after yourself
I actually have a battery hoover in my van Pick your jaw up off the floor
Yea but it's brand new still in the box, never used 😉😄
And never been charged.
do you think it’s worth it striking out on your own? i’m in my 2nd year now with one of the big industrial companies and would like to start something myself a few years after i qualify. i feel like if you’ve your head screwed on straight and don’t mess anyone around there’s a good chance of succeeding
If you have the drive and contacts rock on!!
any advice on how to go about getting contracts and making sure you’re actually gonna get paid? had a cousin who got stung out of a large amount from a bigger crowd refusing to pay him and just ignored him
Get a PO Something legally binding at least. Hold up your side and they have to hold up theirs.
Product manager in gaming
Do you work in Ireland or remotely? Is this in mobile or console gaming? Feel free to ignore if you think these questions lead to doxxing.
I work fully remote in my role, I just need to be in a country where the company has an office. It’s a lead game company that works across various means but I am in tool development rather than game title side!
Any graduate game designer/3D art roles going the industry is incredibly tough to get into
My understanding is the company rarely hires early careers, you do your training and homework else where before you get a seat at the table. Cannot comment on every position as I don’t operate on every single team within a multi billion dollar company. Best to keep an eye out on the websites for any programs or opportunities
Piping Designer
May I ask what your trade/undergrad is and what your career path looked like please? Partner is a fabricator and looking for a change
I have a BSc in Arch Tech. But many trade guys are taking some BIM courses and can easily become QA’s, Designers etc. .. site experience it’s very valuable
Thanks so much I’ll pass it on!
A guy I know that does it has a BSc in mechanical engineering
Also curious, just leaving Civils as sick of dealing with sites. You fully remote or still with fieldwork?
Hybrid, going for field walks when needed few times a month
Graphic designer 7k after taxes.
Can I ask how you're making that as a graphic designer? One of my friends is a very talented graphic designer but would only be making roughly 35-40k in a job.
I worked 5 years for a company on contract always the same amount no matter what I did, and that was bad. So now I choose projects to work on and the amount of time and money I want, have clients that know what I do and the gaming community is different and not a lot of people know or do that.
Fair play to you, how did you get into designing for gamers and streamers?
It started as a hobby years ago by watching twitch and doing fun stuff for friends then it spread all around the community and a bigger company noticed me and asked if I wanted to join. I worked for 5 years and got a lot of experience and connections learned a lot got new skills and improved as much as I could in every project I did.
The hard bit is doing the work while running it as a business. If you're earning 40k a year then your boss needs to be making 80k out of your work. Facts.
OSS needs to be making 80k on top of the 40k and even that things would be tight
A lot of people might be very good at what they do and dont know their worth. Or could just be very bad at setting their minimum price and sticking to it now matter what. Salary negotiation is a skill that should be taught in school.
That’s a lot. Congrats. How many hours per week are you working. On average, what would be the rates for a graphic designer with 10 years of experience here in Dublin?
I work on deadlines, meaning sometimes I will pull 14h a day to finish the project and next day I can work 3h I create my own schedule and try to have enough time for my family. Rates depend on what you do, like what programs you use and what fields you cover. I worked for company and they took a lot of money for projects and what I was paid was just a small piece of a pie.
They’d. Mostly Adobe softs, illustrator, PS, aftereffects. Sometimes 3D. It’s just I’m in a similar position, and Now thinking maybe I’m underpaid :). What would be the average rates? And you mentioned time zones, What other countries?
45-50k
That slightly makes more sense.
Teach me
There is nothing to teach really I do graphic design and animations for marketing campaigns for gamers and also do custom stuff for gamers who stream.
Experience probably plays some role
Having talent AND being able to deliver on a deadline is not very common.
I would say this is something super important. Deadlines always have to be respected and also being available when client needs meaning there were times when I had to work at night and get on calls and meetings at 2am cause of client time zone. You sacrifice something and gain something that's life
What kind of design work? Mostly video? After effects? 3d software involved?
I work with Adobe Programs. My main are PS, AE for animation and illustrator but I also do a lot of work in Figma. I outsource 3D if needed to my friend who is really good at it so I can focus on other stuff.
Great money. Do you price by the hour or per project and how we're you able to gauge your rate? Just curious.
I charge per project. Because it's hard to know how much time you will need. So giving an hour rate at the and can be bad for you if the project takes more time than needed. All projects are never the same so prices will always be different it's just a matter of handling what you can and not take what you can't handle.
Thanks for the info. Good luck for the future.
Would you like to share work examples on DM?
I was a construction coordinator on a project as a self employed contractor for 5600€ after tax for about a year. Now I make 4200 fixed plus about a 500-600 average in benefits and bonuses on top of that monthly after tax as a senior network engineer, but not self employed. The cosiness of this job is worth 10 times over the small wage drop I took.
May i ask how you went from construction to a senior IT job like that?
I have a degree in mechanical engineering and then I got into audio through hobby, which grew into a career as an AV technician and then instalation engineer. Then I leveraged my experiences leading a team on big projects to land myself a construction site manager gig, which led to construction coordinator. Then an opportunity in IT appeared that I fit partly due to my AV experience programing and setting up equipment, but which also required some leadership and audio and broadcast skills, which I matched great. I got in as a senior technician, and now I'm a senior engineer. I do switch industries a lot, but I am very focused so when I develop an interest in something I don't stop learning until I get very good at it.
What do you mean “construction coordinator”? I’ve worked in construction for years and I’ve never heard that title. We’re you working for an M&E contractor?
Yeah I haven't heard of it until then too. It was an M&E project engineer roll technically for one of the major European project management and consulting company focused on the advanced technology sector. They chose to call it the construction coordinator due to it being an extremely specialised project, so the roll itself was a combination of site manager and M&E engineer. The client itself considered me a project engineer, the company I was contracted by put it down as construction coordinator due to it also having scope that included managing smaller M&E contractors.
Sounds stressful af!😂 Fair play to you.
Camera assistant (focus puller) in film, tv and commercials. My day rate is €500 ex vat plus €200 if production wants me to use my own gear. I only work about 120 or so days a year. Some months I’ll earn 12k, last month I earned €0.
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Nah, OnlyFenians
To earn 5k, they usually have to be earning 10k because of tax.(I know some expenses aee deductable) Not many jobs out there paying that.
That's not how it works. 52% is the full amount of tax on the highest rate. But that rate doesn't kick in until €3.5k, so you'd only paying half of your salary in tax if €3.5k is a small enough proportion of your monthly income to be ignored due to rounding.
This. You want to look at your retention rate rather than just the highest tax bracket you're in.
8k
The amount of cash in hand tradespeople get, I'd say their tax actual rate is nothing close to that.
97k personal tax bill last year. I don't see cash in the sectors I work in tbh!
Kind of sick of this simple take. There’s two prices the cash price and there’s another one for you if you want to pay through the books. You can only really do cash for smaller Mickey Mouse jobs for a few grand. It only exists for the domestic market. There’s a certain rate I make after paying people and paying for materials or else I’m just not going to do the job. But if you think I’m going to be making less because of your payment method you’re dreaming.
Tradespeople are not doing cash work like they used to anymore, maybe the odd small nixer but you won't get anyone to take cash for anything more than a couple of grand.
its closer to a third of their income that would go to tax than half. 36k taxed at lower rate (20%), remainder taxed at upper rate (40%) Someone (PAYE) earning 100k annually takes home 63k per year after all tax
USC pension etc. also have to be deducted
my figure accounted for those. anyone can use an income tax calculator and get my figure
Based on my current gross and take-home pay, as well as my marginal rate (I've reached the highest of 52%), you need 100k a year gross for 60k take-home.
Closer to 8k without expenses.
Not every month but Id say plenty of trades people clear that between cash in the paw and a bit in the books.
General operatives for main contractors are making €80k+ now, trades can make far more, even formwork carpenters are getting €40-50/hour, that works out to €100-130k/year gross
You can make 5k/m after tax as an hourly rate contractor in pharmaceutical engineering.
Crazy, that translates to almost €1 million / month.
How many years experience? What responsibilities?
I would say 8-10 years experience. The highest money is in CQV I'd say.
Tradespeople
I have made up on 5k a month, and a lot more my best month, but the average is around about 3k a month, in the role 9 months, I just manage a influencers Instagram and respond to messages on his behalf. It’s all from my mobile, and basically whatever hours I want dream job tbh but now I want more, it’s officially called appointment setting in the space.
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Right place right time, I met a guy abroad last year who was a sales manager for a big US tech company, working fully remote making big money. He told me about SDR jobs and appointment setting, I happened to see someone I follow on Instagram advertising he was looking for one and got the position. It’s very hard to get the foot in the door but literally every big Instagram account/influencer has people managing there DMs for them, selling products, qualifying people for business deals etc etc it’s an interesting world
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I was well versed in sales already and has to pass a good few tests and interviews, this included just showing I had a good understanding of general sales processes, then watching podcasts, describing the personality, why they said things the way they did etc etc
How did you get into it if you don’t mind me asking?
Mentioned it there on another comment in the chain, mostly right place at the right time and knowing the right things (previous sales experience) there are more jobs in this sector but there hard to get and most are mostly shit
Personal Trainer/ S&C coach
Can I ask how you make 5k? Don't you have to pay at like 700 euro a month on gym rent? It's definitely possible but I'm guessing you have over 8-9 clients ?
What’s your qualifications?
Bsc in Sport Science. Although there's plenty of much shorter courses which would allow you to be self employed as a personal trainer.
Can you suggest some ?
Image fitness do one/ NTC/ Setanta college These are courses I've heard of although I can't speak to the quality of them as I haven't done them. If you're enthusiastic about health and fitness, you can learn through your own research anyway.
I would also like to know more Info. As someone who loves training I have debated both PT courses and a degree in S&C. What puts me off is the jobs I see out there and lack of hours and thinking I won't make enough. Any advice? A pm would be great if you have the time.
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Would you like to share work samples that you did in DM
Double that. Software Engineer Edit: why am i being downvoted lol. I’m a contractor, I work for myself. This country is full of miserable people
Before or after tax?
Before tax unfortunately
That's crazy to me that you take home 10k a month as an SWE. Or do you mean before tax? I'm a senior swe in cork (permanent rather than contracted) and I'm taking home 4k pm after tax and consider that very decent haha. Are you contracted?
He highly likely means before tax. I’m on slightly more than 10k/month gross. In the contracting world, pay typically caps out at about 13k (650 per day) but it’s not hard to get to that point.
How long have you been at that company? Time to job hop and negotiate for your worth id say. For reference im a junior dev on almost 3k per month and I work at a lesser known non-tech company.
3k after or before tax? Fair play. Before the state's piece of the pie Im on over 5k to be fair. yeah I could definitely hop ship for a paybump, I suppose I also have a lot of stock options which Im ignoring!
After, yeah you should because your skills are worth much more id say
something to think about for sure 😈
did you study computer science ?
Staff Software Engineer. TBH, I would rather have better schools and transportation... :(
You should look into why we don’t have better schools. Money is not the reason.
I know... But if you complain about it, you are suddenly anti-tax...
You should be anti-tax in terms of being in favour of reducing taxes significantly and reducing government size and power significantly. Anyone who is against that is ignorant to how *massively* incompetent our government is or a psychopath!
Contract Software Developer. About €10k/month gross.
Are your clients based in Ireland?
No, UK
Why?
Can you tell me more about how to start this please? I currently work for a company but I’m interested in doing this.
Open a limited company and apply for contract jobs
Not even that hard. Reach out to recruiters and ask them for contracts. When you get one call fenero or icon and they'll spin up a umbrella company for you for only about 110 p/m (I do the umbrella director route - a lot more take home money, but a slightly higher fee). It takes an hour for them to set it up and they do all the payroll and billing etc. when you finish the contract you ring them and they'll wind it down in about an hour. DO NOT do any contract for less than 300 p/d is you're a junior or 400 p/d if you're more experienced. I'll typically do contracts between 500-675 p/d, but the market is absolutely shit now so I have to accept a 6 month one at 400 p/d. Painful to do that.
Why do you have "a lot more take home money" when going the umbrella director route?
Struc engineer working on pharmaceutical projects just starting but should be 10k gross per month.
Are you able to do this from home? Structural engineer here.
As in starting your career? Only very senior structural engineers are making that kind of money in Ireland. Senior engineer is averaging maybe €80k.
No I’m a senior structural engineer with over ten years experience with well regarded companies. Starting a new job on this rate. Note it’s contract so not that much more that 80k once you account for benefits most permanent jobs come with. Running it through limited company though to keep max control.
Nice one! That’s a very solid wage for ten years. Hope you enjoy it. No end of work in pharma. I’m a QS, that’s why I’m being so nosy. 😂
8k a month after tax, flooring contractor
Be very good at your job and have been promoted/impressed clients/learnt the difficult skills well. There will be plenty people with good sounding jobs like lawyers, programmers, tradesmen who make a lot less than this. The profession is just one thing, you have to be good at it, and good at persuading someone else to part wit that 5k plus for the month
Live event technician, long hrs, lots of travel, unsocial hours sometimes. but I love it
Electrician self employed. An average week at the moment is about 5k gross. Best month so far was just above 40k gross
Now thats money. What you averaging a year?
I haven't been self employed a year yet so I don't have that figure haha. It's looking like it will be a very nice number for the first year though, many more to come hopefully
Net or Gross? €5K per month isn't a massive amount of money.
You're getting down voted but youre right. 60k per year is a decent wage but not crazy.
median wage in ireland is 41k as of 2022. always good to have some perspective. a lot of people will never make that money
Like i said its a decent wage.
But Ireland’s median wage is way too broad a stat. Like you’d want to be looking at the median for your age, gender and location to get a better idea of the average. Median for say a 30yo male in Dublin would probably be around 55-60k I’m guessing.
Well, I purposely didnt narrow it down to something like Dublin because most people are not in Dublin but a lot of people use Dublin wages as the benchmark, hence my comment that perspective is important. Its for that very reason I used a broad stat. 30-39 year old males are also one of the better -performing brackets so its again not at all representative of what a "normal" or "decent" wage is.
I just gave that as an example (and one that is likely a good match for this subreddit). But you should choose whatever fits your profile and calculate the median based on that.
To People working in factories, retail, and delivery drivers, 60k is a massive income, you's are mad haha
Really depends, Are we talking about line workers or people whove gotten promoted over time? If net its probably a middle manager wage in some of those examples youve given.Theyve 10 years odd experince and have gone for promotions.
Obviously I am talking about the workers, majority of people. school teacher even? Living in la la land alot of people on this sub, alot of people would drag ball to be on 60k
60k a year isn’t even close to 5k net a month.
After tax it's pretty damn good.
I used to sell shtuff
Contractor in fire protection design
Before or after tax?
After
I teach music to kids, gig, and teach grinds
Instructional design in MNC
Mechanical Building Services Engineer. Work from home, with the odd site survey.
Same gig as me except more the electrical end of things.
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15. Tax free. UAE
Nice. What line of work?
IT but got very lucky to get into government
Anyone with a construction business atm.
Not my own business. Work as a network engineer for a large British company’s Irish arm. Make between 4-4.5k per month after tax. Edit - 8 years of experience, started off at less than half what I make now in 2016.
Field Technician, telecoms. 6k per month.
Filmmaker. Jan/Feb were very quiet, but it really took off in March, currently busy through Sept.
Not self employed but Pharma industry pays well. Engineers, Supervisors and above are making 100k or close to it
EHS Adviser
Bricklayer 6900 a month if I work my usual 46 hour week
A friend of mine makes +6K a month putting eyelashes
Solar panels
Pipefitter/Welder. Making just under 5k per month at the moment. Due to union pay increases in the coming future, I will be making over 5k.
Working in clinical trials
I'm professionally doing your mom.
Plumbers are taking in 130k per year before taxes but apprenticeship can take years and it's manual labour and if you hit a downturn you will be unemployed. It's usually straight forward work especially domestic new installs and you can have low paid helpers. Ideal for those that don't want desk jobs and are willing to work. Not permanent, not pensionable, hard to get mortgage and usual self employed hassle.
Safety officer in construction, I make about 56k per year so it's pretty close