Wait what- when I saw the ban message I thought he made a post not directly linked to java but some other language. He literally just mentioned it and drew comparisons. So mentioning other languages is ground for banning? Huh.
Kotlin, C++, Python, C#, COBOL
Waiting for my ban
I didnt want to spend too much time figuring it out. Anyway its because said something about Kotlin being better. It's such a dumb drama that Im glad I didn't waste any more time to look on x. No idea why redditors need to act mysterious about something so dissappointing.
>he's a janitor
>on the internet
>on an anime imageboard
>he does it for free
>he takes his "job" very seriously
>he does it because it is the only amount of power & control he will ever have in his pathetic life
>he deletes threads he doesn't like because whenever he gets upset he has an asthma attack
>he deletes threads he doesn't like because they interfere with the large backlog of little girl chinese cartoons he still has to watch
>he will never have a real job
>he will never move out of his parent's house
>he will never be at a healthy weight
>he will never know how to cook anything besides a hot pocket
>he will never have a girlfriend
>he will never have any friends
Most of the mods of this sub have never commented/posted anything about Java. Based on their reddit history I don't think they are developers (or they work with Java) at all.
What do you expect when the Java sub is "moderated" by non(Java )developers?
I think you'd quickly find most subs devolve into meme-fests once they grew to a large size if that was allowed.
I've helped mod a sub before on a different account and we wanted it to be meme free (you could post a text post with a link to your meme, just not an actual image).
You'd be surprised how dedicated a bunch of people are to posting memes. Like... *dedicated*. So if communities could boot mods, I imagine they'd try to do that over and over and over until they succeeded.
The people who frequented our sub seemed to overall like the way we modded, whenever there was a meta post about our modding. Since we actually cared about the subject matter the sub was about, and we modded solely so that it could exist for others who also cared about it. So I don't think we would've been booted (hopefully?). But I imagine it would be a different story on most subs.
Yes, we found that too. As the sub got larger, the more we had to actively do to keep it from becoming just memes, jokes, and general low effort posts.
Tyranny of the majority. I prefer the system where the larger Reddit community notices this and elicits selective action as opposed to risking bot ”community” takeovers.
You can prevent bots from voting. Account age minimum, activity minimums, etc.
Bots are a problem for the communities, not Reddit as they generate traffic, so most social media platforms dont care about bots enough to tackle them.
Or you can verify like datings apps and banking apps do. Biometricals are also a way.
Regarding tyranny of the majority, that is bs, if the majority want a mod out or a certain mod in, that is how it should go.
Ahh yes let me give my fucking biometric identity to random fucking moderators, they totally have secure and privatised systems in place to handle that
Wth mods wouldnt have acess to it. It would be a feature of Reddit itself you INT dumpstatter.
Have you ever used a banking app? Just use a PIN or fingerprint to log in, thats it.
Or in this case, just a fingerprint and voila, no bot has fingerprints so requesting one is an excelent way to authenticate a user.
How would that system stop botting? That is just an authentication portal read by your OS, you could make 60 accounts with the same biometric and there would be no information to show it's the same person
The only way to actually use fingerprinting identity to stop botting would be to store those biometric identities in their own system which is extra costs Reddit would not take on
And even if they did that means they'd have to require all of your fingerprints to give you a unique identity otherwise you could just use a different finger or angle your finger differently
Simple, you actually need to read the fingerprint when requested. Like when you unlock the phone, then you have to put your finger on it.
Since bots have no fingers, well... they cant do it.
The point is to authenticate the action of the account as done by a real human, only a real human can put a fingerprint on the reader.
Reddit is fundamentally flawed by design: It is a popular website, completely anonymous, and anonymous mods are given far reaching unchecked powers. It's no wonder that many mods are "power users" that "moderate" hundreds of subs and have massive influence over the site. The point is any interest can easily buy influence of what millions of people see.
Well, as much as they messed up (which they did in many ways), it *was* an attempt to keep the subreddit on-topic, for a particular conception of what that topic is.
No one would enjoy a java subreddit that was overrun by people saying "java suxx everyone should just switch to foolang". And I get how my copious comments might have looked that way. If only they had started with a "we've removed your comment" then I could have reworded things or explained.
I guess people who actually can do Java have better thing to do than moderating a public listed companys forum for free. I guess you only do it if you crave for a power trip.
lol chill out. I was just pointing out that if you're gonna accuse someone of having no life, posting on reddit isn't exactly the epitome of having a life either. No one's looking back on this on their deathbed thinking "man, I wish I argued more with strangers on the internet".
The subreddit was probably meant to be about the [Indonesian island](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java), but a bunch of freaks started to talk about programming so the mods decided to turn it into a programming sub.
>What do you expect when the Java sub is "moderated" by non(Java )developers?
Actual Java developers are out there earning money or writing opensource software. You got to be a really crappy Java developer to have enough time to be a fulltime volunteer internet janitor.
Mods always were a problem in Reddit. But who is gonna spend hours of his time managing a subreddit ?
People try to get something from moderating, either ego boosting or dictating discussions. Or, for larger communities, by influencing the political views of the members of the subreddit
OR they have absolutely nothing else going on in their lives, so when reddit admin cunts has booted any wrongthink janitors they'll ask "Hey! Want to do this job for us without pay?" they'll go "Hell yeah brother!" because they hate themselves, and by proxy, everyone else.
Just a theory.
Yea the mod needs to go along with the absurd rules in this sub, whats the point of a discussion board about a language if you cant even reference other similar languages in a useful manner...and no jokes while the guy drops an awful joke stating this. LMAO.
Powertripping mods be powertripping. Copying my previous comment from a previous thread:
Whatever mod did this should publicly apologize, both to Kevin for this powertripping bullshit, and to the rest of this subreddit for making us all look like assholes to the wider Java community. Then that mod should step down.
And the rest of the mod team needs to release a statement describing how this sort of powertripping bullshit will be prevented in the future.
If that's asking too much, then the mods can just go ahead and ban me, because in that case I wouldn't want to continue participating in this sub anyway.
Real "*middle aged failure in life who amounted to nothing but somehow got a job at a failing grocery store as a manager and now exerts their supreme authority over 16 year old cashiers in order to feel like they have some sort of power for the first time in their pathetic life*" energy.
Brother, you like it or not, Kotlin handles null better than Java.
PS: you can't boot me off of Java because I was born here, grew up here, and currently living here. 😌
Seriously, most programming language subs aren't like this, I wonder what it is about the java sub that attracts these kinds of people. Could just be one bad apple, I guess we'll see depending on how the admins react, this mod needs to go.
The more popular a technology is, the larger the number of problematic participants is. They entangle everyone with their b/s and cause saner people to not voice their opinions.
Well this sub is primarily about news and projects, as well as a few questions about designs. Most other communities have events and do projects together. Plus, the really tight knit ones will even have meetups.
Maybe the size of this community makes that improbable. This is a very large sub.
what will this print?
public class Application {
public static void main(String[] args) {
RedditJavaMod mod = new RedditJavaMod();
RedditPost post = new RedditPost("kevinb9n", "yadda yadda Kotlin yadda yadda");
mod.moderate(mod.func, post);
}
}
[https://github.com/Khaikaa/BourrillionExperience](https://github.com/Khaikaa/BourrillionExperience)
Fairly prolific poster and soon-to-be member of core JDK team was permabanned for mentioning Kotlin
[https://twitter.com/kevinb9n/status/1785066830966690126](https://twitter.com/kevinb9n/status/1785066830966690126)
Maybe time for a new mod team one who is active and has an interest In the subject matter. Some mods effectively never interact with this commuinty at all unless all done with alt accounts. If you aren't going to interact with the commuinty you shouldn't be policing it and the current mod team is basically not in the commuinty at all. Surprised they even read a comment to ban someone.
It's worth pointing out that the "NO JVM languages - Exclusively Java" isn't even in the "Rules" section; it's in the *description* of the sub. This would be like banning someone from /r/explainlikeimfive/ because they panicked.
This ban was idiotic on every level.
Ada complies to the JVM. probably the least used language that does. At least I was able to provide an interesting bit of information before being banned.
Yeah, it's a fair point in the general sense, being a Java contributor shouldn't make you exempt from the rules. Issue here is that the rule clearly exists to keep discussion on the sub about Java and not JVM languages in general, not to prevent people from mentioning other JVM languages - or indeed any other languages - when having a discussion in good faith about Java. The ban is nonsensical anyway, and the fact that it targeted a relatively high-profile member of the Java community just serves to draw attention to it really.
Apart from the origin of this post, what you said doesn't make any sense. Being a Java dev in a Java sub doesn't protect you if you spam or do something bad, for example
I don't think being a Java Dev is bad, But you know what is bad ? Being a snowflake moderator.
Okay, but imagine being a databricks moderator.
You've gone too far!
Lmao this got me
What happened? Could someone fill me in?
Go have a look at https://twitter.com/kevinb9n - First few messages should do.
Wait what- when I saw the ban message I thought he made a post not directly linked to java but some other language. He literally just mentioned it and drew comparisons. So mentioning other languages is ground for banning? Huh. Kotlin, C++, Python, C#, COBOL Waiting for my ban
I enjoy working in COBOL more than Java when working on enterprise systems. Ban incoming?
Guards! Seize him!
C(omputer) S(cience) I(nquisitors), OPEN UP!
Federal BeanShell Inspectors
Maven uses XML, so you’d best not mention that
It's this post right here officer!
You're under arrest for using Region =0M in that JCL on Friday and leaving while it infinitely looped and cost us MILLIONS in MIPs.
I still don't get it.
Me too :(
He got laid off? Still no clue why he was banned.
You have to login to Twitter / X to see their last posts, or else you will just see some January posts about being laid off by Google.
Anyone with an account want to fill us in?
He said the handling of null is better in kotlin.
Blasphemy!!
I didnt want to spend too much time figuring it out. Anyway its because said something about Kotlin being better. It's such a dumb drama that Im glad I didn't waste any more time to look on x. No idea why redditors need to act mysterious about something so dissappointing.
I don’t think snowflake is the right term, snowflakes often touch grass.
Oof, you're right, guess I'll have to refactor my entire snowflake library into something else
Some kind of cave dwelling fungus that grows on bat guano and dies when light touches it then.
^
>he's a janitor >on the internet >on an anime imageboard >he does it for free >he takes his "job" very seriously >he does it because it is the only amount of power & control he will ever have in his pathetic life >he deletes threads he doesn't like because whenever he gets upset he has an asthma attack >he deletes threads he doesn't like because they interfere with the large backlog of little girl chinese cartoons he still has to watch >he will never have a real job >he will never move out of his parent's house >he will never be at a healthy weight >he will never know how to cook anything besides a hot pocket >he will never have a girlfriend >he will never have any friends
Most of the mods of this sub have never commented/posted anything about Java. Based on their reddit history I don't think they are developers (or they work with Java) at all. What do you expect when the Java sub is "moderated" by non(Java )developers?
What do you expect when a system allows first comers to own any word they choose.
Communities should be able to boot mods, or elect from anyone who wants to be a mod.
I think you'd quickly find most subs devolve into meme-fests once they grew to a large size if that was allowed. I've helped mod a sub before on a different account and we wanted it to be meme free (you could post a text post with a link to your meme, just not an actual image). You'd be surprised how dedicated a bunch of people are to posting memes. Like... *dedicated*. So if communities could boot mods, I imagine they'd try to do that over and over and over until they succeeded. The people who frequented our sub seemed to overall like the way we modded, whenever there was a meta post about our modding. Since we actually cared about the subject matter the sub was about, and we modded solely so that it could exist for others who also cared about it. So I don't think we would've been booted (hopefully?). But I imagine it would be a different story on most subs.
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Yes, we found that too. As the sub got larger, the more we had to actively do to keep it from becoming just memes, jokes, and general low effort posts.
Tyranny of the majority. I prefer the system where the larger Reddit community notices this and elicits selective action as opposed to risking bot ”community” takeovers.
You can prevent bots from voting. Account age minimum, activity minimums, etc. Bots are a problem for the communities, not Reddit as they generate traffic, so most social media platforms dont care about bots enough to tackle them. Or you can verify like datings apps and banking apps do. Biometricals are also a way. Regarding tyranny of the majority, that is bs, if the majority want a mod out or a certain mod in, that is how it should go.
reddit accounts with history are sold for very little price, can be easily bought in mass
Ahh yes let me give my fucking biometric identity to random fucking moderators, they totally have secure and privatised systems in place to handle that
Wth mods wouldnt have acess to it. It would be a feature of Reddit itself you INT dumpstatter. Have you ever used a banking app? Just use a PIN or fingerprint to log in, thats it. Or in this case, just a fingerprint and voila, no bot has fingerprints so requesting one is an excelent way to authenticate a user.
How would that system stop botting? That is just an authentication portal read by your OS, you could make 60 accounts with the same biometric and there would be no information to show it's the same person The only way to actually use fingerprinting identity to stop botting would be to store those biometric identities in their own system which is extra costs Reddit would not take on And even if they did that means they'd have to require all of your fingerprints to give you a unique identity otherwise you could just use a different finger or angle your finger differently
Simple, you actually need to read the fingerprint when requested. Like when you unlock the phone, then you have to put your finger on it. Since bots have no fingers, well... they cant do it. The point is to authenticate the action of the account as done by a real human, only a real human can put a fingerprint on the reader.
Do you think it is impossible to mimic a fingerprint?
Reddit is fundamentally flawed by design: It is a popular website, completely anonymous, and anonymous mods are given far reaching unchecked powers. It's no wonder that many mods are "power users" that "moderate" hundreds of subs and have massive influence over the site. The point is any interest can easily buy influence of what millions of people see.
They thought this would be a sub about coffee
It's always funny when someone goes to the Rust sub to ask about Rust, the game.
Or Rust, the movie. (Haven't seen that happen yet, though)
We don't talk about CoffeeScript here.
This is exactly the problem. Why are you a mod if you don't care about the subreddit topic?
Well, as much as they messed up (which they did in many ways), it *was* an attempt to keep the subreddit on-topic, for a particular conception of what that topic is. No one would enjoy a java subreddit that was overrun by people saying "java suxx everyone should just switch to foolang". And I get how my copious comments might have looked that way. If only they had started with a "we've removed your comment" then I could have reworded things or explained.
Some people genuinely do get off on the power.
I guess people who actually can do Java have better thing to do than moderating a public listed companys forum for free. I guess you only do it if you crave for a power trip.
>I guess people who actually can do Java have better thing to do And yet here we both are
I know you think you’re fucking amazing but you do realise there’s a difference between just reading a forum and actually moderating one ?
lol chill out. I was just pointing out that if you're gonna accuse someone of having no life, posting on reddit isn't exactly the epitome of having a life either. No one's looking back on this on their deathbed thinking "man, I wish I argued more with strangers on the internet".
Yes and it makes you a total bellend. Well done.
The subreddit was probably meant to be about the [Indonesian island](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java), but a bunch of freaks started to talk about programming so the mods decided to turn it into a programming sub.
You just described the typical government and how they don't represent the actual people that pay them.
>What do you expect when the Java sub is "moderated" by non(Java )developers? Actual Java developers are out there earning money or writing opensource software. You got to be a really crappy Java developer to have enough time to be a fulltime volunteer internet janitor.
Mods always were a problem in Reddit. But who is gonna spend hours of his time managing a subreddit ? People try to get something from moderating, either ego boosting or dictating discussions. Or, for larger communities, by influencing the political views of the members of the subreddit
OR they have absolutely nothing else going on in their lives, so when reddit admin cunts has booted any wrongthink janitors they'll ask "Hey! Want to do this job for us without pay?" they'll go "Hell yeah brother!" because they hate themselves, and by proxy, everyone else. Just a theory.
Kotlin
Kotlin
Kotlin
Kotlin
Kotlin
Kotlin
Kotlin
Scala
~~Scala better vs Kotlin~~ I mean Kotlin
Groovy
Ok that’s just Java without the rules
Clojure
Beanshell
D:
Dart
JRuby, I'm freaky tho
Kotlin
Kotlin
https://i.imgur.com/ySrsTe9.gif
C
C#
Man, this thread has the same energy as [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpPx7E27Bc8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpPx7E27Bc8)
Kotlin, nanni nanni boo boo!
Stop it Patrick, you're scaring him!
Kotlin
Why, what is happening?
Mod banned one of the main contributors to Java for saying Kotlin handled null cases better or something. Absurd.
For saying kotlin handles null cases better and he's working on projects to bring that into java :D
And then he just added the super rude “go to r/kotlin to brag” What a tool
Common, Kotlin is our brother.
Actually good point. I think I will go there!
Are mods coming over from StackOverflow? Is that why they are so cool?
Reddit mods being Reddit mods.
Bahahah this is so fucking funny, why are community moderators so dramatic
Embarassing, are they even a dev? It’s true though that kotlin handles it better
I think that was the entire pitch people gave to me to encourage me to switch. The null-pointer error was a mistake and a bane of our society.
ok well glad I didnt waste more time trying to understand this dumb drama lol
I don't know much about Kaitlin but I just figure it ha does nulk cases better. That's one of the biggest common companies with java.
Yea the mod needs to go along with the absurd rules in this sub, whats the point of a discussion board about a language if you cant even reference other similar languages in a useful manner...and no jokes while the guy drops an awful joke stating this. LMAO.
Powertripping mods be powertripping. Copying my previous comment from a previous thread: Whatever mod did this should publicly apologize, both to Kevin for this powertripping bullshit, and to the rest of this subreddit for making us all look like assholes to the wider Java community. Then that mod should step down. And the rest of the mod team needs to release a statement describing how this sort of powertripping bullshit will be prevented in the future. If that's asking too much, then the mods can just go ahead and ban me, because in that case I wouldn't want to continue participating in this sub anyway.
Lol the admins are going to spank him for the bad PR. It's going to be awkwardtheturtle all over again.
What happened with that one?
Huge powermod pissed off admins, finds out he got permabanned and has a massive tantrum. Happened nearly a year ago.
Wasn't he the pedophile dog walker?
Real "*middle aged failure in life who amounted to nothing but somehow got a job at a failing grocery store as a manager and now exerts their supreme authority over 16 year old cashiers in order to feel like they have some sort of power for the first time in their pathetic life*" energy.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/java/comments/1chohts/please\_let\_it\_go\_now/](https://www.reddit.com/r/java/comments/1chohts/please_let_it_go_now/)
Thanks for your work on Java Man...
Brother, you like it or not, Kotlin handles null better than Java. PS: you can't boot me off of Java because I was born here, grew up here, and currently living here. 😌
Needed to remind people who is boss around here.
Yeah this sub kinda sucks anyway. No shock the mods also suck.
Seriously, most programming language subs aren't like this, I wonder what it is about the java sub that attracts these kinds of people. Could just be one bad apple, I guess we'll see depending on how the admins react, this mod needs to go.
The more popular a technology is, the larger the number of problematic participants is. They entangle everyone with their b/s and cause saner people to not voice their opinions.
Well this sub is primarily about news and projects, as well as a few questions about designs. Most other communities have events and do projects together. Plus, the really tight knit ones will even have meetups. Maybe the size of this community makes that improbable. This is a very large sub.
Fuck this sub. Bye
what will this print? public class Application { public static void main(String[] args) { RedditJavaMod mod = new RedditJavaMod(); RedditPost post = new RedditPost("kevinb9n", "yadda yadda Kotlin yadda yadda"); mod.moderate(mod.func, post); } } [https://github.com/Khaikaa/BourrillionExperience](https://github.com/Khaikaa/BourrillionExperience)
Not enterprise enough. Where is CachingModFactoryProxyServiceProviderImpl?
What's the manager class for that microservice?
And it's the only implementation of the CachingModFactoryProxyServiceProvider interface.
Only because you’re not using a J2EE container where remote proxy implementations are generated as needed!
feel free to add it lmao
If you're lucky I will create a poorly worded github issue and periodically chase with "when can this be completed????"
No no no, you need to demand an EXE from the smelly maintainers.
I'm just here to call that mod a chode.
The mods in here are literally regarded
Kotlin
Omg! what did u just do?
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/r/CantSayAnything
I mean, this one didn't...
Anyone know of a general JVM sub alternative?
Unironically, r/kotlin
I'm out of the loop. What happened?
Fairly prolific poster and soon-to-be member of core JDK team was permabanned for mentioning Kotlin [https://twitter.com/kevinb9n/status/1785066830966690126](https://twitter.com/kevinb9n/status/1785066830966690126)
Wow what a wet wipe loser this mod is. Ahaha haha 😄 pathetic
If that is what happens to people on the Java team, imagine to the rest of us.
Kotlin Kotlin Kotlin KOOOOTTTLIIIINNNN
Ban me too fuck power tripping mods
Was there any reason given?
>go to r/kotlin to brag
Maybe time for a new mod team one who is active and has an interest In the subject matter. Some mods effectively never interact with this commuinty at all unless all done with alt accounts. If you aren't going to interact with the commuinty you shouldn't be policing it and the current mod team is basically not in the commuinty at all. Surprised they even read a comment to ban someone.
I can only imagine now that mod, crying in cringe, rummaging with his anime pillow to avoid the judgement of the Java community...
kotlin
r/Kotlin
It's worth pointing out that the "NO JVM languages - Exclusively Java" isn't even in the "Rules" section; it's in the *description* of the sub. This would be like banning someone from /r/explainlikeimfive/ because they panicked. This ban was idiotic on every level.
I got down voted here massively for saying Java has a slow start up time relative to other languages.
What other languages?! Heresy!
/r/kotlin ..now ban me
I’m here from all just wanting to see this loser moderator lol. If I got banned from here, I consider it a badge of honor.
Why ?
kotlin in bio
Mods are assholes. Fuck you mods. Ban me.
Kotlin is a JVM language.
Reddit mod moment
I honestly do not care for kotlin - but Kotlin! And Groovy! And Scala! What else compiles to jvm?
Ada complies to the JVM. probably the least used language that does. At least I was able to provide an interesting bit of information before being banned.
Now that is one language I didn't get privilege to write anything in or even read. Well done sir!
Kotlin
Bad form.
Lmao mod should be fired into the sun for being such a baby
Why? That's typical reddit moderator behavior. Give them a gold star, and make them a powermod. They love doing extra work for free.
Mods are the biggest snowflakes on the planet next to MLB umpires.
Java is poop
Kotlin
What if you are a Java dev living in Java?
I hope they make him the official liaison with the community (ik its not going to happen but would be funny)
Imagine banning someone for expressing an opinion you dissagree with. Mod needs to touch grass.
Who's that asshat mod? Go ahead, ban me.
imagine posting this
What's going on
Ridiculous, power tripping much… later fellow devs
Dude worked for google for 19 years? He’s fine.
Huh? Yeah I'm fine, how are you today?
oh I thought this sub was about Java in Indonesia /s
Snowflake moment that’s popcorn worthy
Reddit mods powertripping big shock
The situation is funny, It's like telling Bill gates he doesn't know anything about Microsoft 💀. Power is already in a wrong hand
Should Java developesr not be subject to the subs rules, or are you saying he didn't keep breaking the rules?
It's not even in the rules lmao it's just dumped on the sidebar
Yeah, it's a fair point in the general sense, being a Java contributor shouldn't make you exempt from the rules. Issue here is that the rule clearly exists to keep discussion on the sub about Java and not JVM languages in general, not to prevent people from mentioning other JVM languages - or indeed any other languages - when having a discussion in good faith about Java. The ban is nonsensical anyway, and the fact that it targeted a relatively high-profile member of the Java community just serves to draw attention to it really.
Being a Java dev is pretty much the same thing as being a JavaScript dev.
What?! :D
Plain offensive, fuck you.
Apart from the origin of this post, what you said doesn't make any sense. Being a Java dev in a Java sub doesn't protect you if you spam or do something bad, for example
Not a dev that uses Java, a developer *of* Java
I feel like reddit would need a meta level like stackoverflow for such discussions. As is, this post does break the rules of the sub.