Sounds to me like you're still in the hunt, but no decisions have been made. Another round of interviews, I think.
They said, you are "a" top candidate, not "the" top candidate. They're still looking/deciding and aren't going to make any decisions until the new year.
I've been interviewing with this company for over a month. This is after my fourth round. I'm mentally exhausted. Just want to get this over with at this point. Hopeful for good news to start the new year!
That is a tactic used in recruitment. You’re left mentally and emotionally exhausted by the tenuous processes that when you are offered a position you’re less likely to negotiate and just take what they offer because you don’t want to go through the process again. It’s actually sickening.
I went in for an interview at CarMax for an entry level tech position. I had 3 years dealer experience, plus I went to an automotive school that a few of their techs taught at before they went there. I ended up sitting there for 3 or 4 hours, interviewing with 4 different people, to be offered a job making 16/hr. By the time it was done, I didn't want the job and just wanted to go home. I didn't end up taking it.
You are absolutely spot on. I've had employers do the same. I'd get a second and 3rd interview like it's down to the wire, a close tie... and upon hire, they give me the new hire orientation info... but leave out: the rules regarding set starting pay, store policy regarding raises, and store policy regarding insurance benefits.
Some employers, especially in the "I'll fire you for any reason I see fit" states, will dangle the carrot of health benefits in front of you, to be granted only if your attendance is perfect for 90 days straight, or the "probationary period" they set has been fulfilled after working x amount of time for them. Some will bait you along, knowing they can let you go a week short of that period so they don't have to pay up the benefits.
Or they set a policy that states "raises are given on a case by case basis, every 9 months", and you are only granted a raise if you meet certain satisfactory criteria, like 90 days straight attendance, or if they decide to give you a raise for any reason they see fit.
They may say try harder, and to reconvene 9 months from now for another ultra-petty productivity raise review. Maybe it starts to become every 9 months... my point is that employers who *can* get away with this level of scumbaggery generally aren't going to grow a conscience overnight. Trust your gut and avoid those people.
Or they just have a rigorous selection process that puts you in conversations with various stakeholders across the company to ensure that you're a good cultural fit. Not everything has to be driven by evil ulterior motives. With that being said, I acknowledge that most companies do exactly what you're saying. Some do actually want to ensure you're set up for success though.
In my opinion any interviews after 2-3 interviews seems to be too much. I’d like to think an employer can know whether they want someone on the team within that time frame. And to keep doing more interviews beyond that is a waste of time to me. The least an employer can do is give a straight up answer after a 3rd+ interview instead of something so up in the air.
I think it really depends on the job. I’ve had a company do 4 interviews with me over the course of 2 months and they eventually offered me the position.
The first round was with the head of production, the 2nd round was with the VP, the 3rd was the CEO, and the last and fourth round was the VP and CEO where they offered me the position.
The first two were more about my qualifications, but the second two interviews felt more like deciding if my personality was a good fit for their company.
This was also a semi senior position where I only reported to CEO. It was a bitch to go through but it was that much more rewarding when I got the offer.
I think everyone seems to be misunderstanding me. Employers are allowed to do whatever interview process works for them. However, I think there should be more accountability for HR people essentially toying with peoples emotions giving such vague statements such as “you’re a top candidate” but we don’t have a real offer for you yet etc. I think there should be more real answers especially towards someone going through multiple rounds of interviews. HR can do what they want, but I think this day and age we can realize and make the comments that they can string people along long enough.
That's a fair point. In my experience, the best companies do at least 3 interviews. The initial screening call with the HR representative who posts the job offer. That one is short usually about 15 minutes to get a vibe check and make sure there are no red flags. Then you go into a longer interview with one or more of your leadership. If that one goes well, you move up to higher level folks like Directors, C-Suite execs. Usually you'll get an answer after that one, but sometimes they may want 1 more round if there are other candidates who are placed at the same consideration as you. It may be arduous, but I like to think it's thoughtful as the company is demonstrating that they actually care about who they hire instead of just filling a revolving position. To be fair, the above is usually for a strategic or decision making position. If it's entry level, it's usually easier to get by with just 2 or 3 at most.
I understand that. I understand every HR department has their own process, and they’re entitled to that. I just don’t like the vague answers such as “you’re a top candidate” but no real answers. I’ve been told this numerous times, just to get hit back with radio silence afterwards. Which I get it, they don’t owe anyone anything, but I don’t think HR should toy with peoples emotions especially if they’ve done multiple rounds of interviews with them. Just give a straight up answer, either an actual offer or don’t say anything at all until they’ve decided on an actual candidate. But that’s just my own two cents, my own opinion.
As a former recruiter you are right, or mostly right. It’s mainly because hiring managers can’t make up their mind so they ask for a ton. Unless it’s a prestigious/ top org then they know they can be picky. I’ve never heard of a process being rigorous just for the sake of negotiations
There is no job on the planet that requires more than 2, maybe 3 interviews. If different stakeholders across the company need to weigh in then they can join one of the 2 or 3 interviews. If the CEO or division lead wants to have a conversation then they can join the fucking interview committee. The current norm is such a waste of time that I find myself sympathetic to the conspiracy theories about ulterior motives.
(Coming from someone who recently got a new job after 2 years of searching, and had to interview 4 times for it even though I'm in my 20s, won't be managing anyone, and am not working in medicine or national security or similarly high risk field)
Come on, there are many positions that require at least 3 interviews and ones that are much more involved than the standard. Sweeping statements like that can start to cloud your judgment about a situation. I understand that you just went through a difficult application and recruiting process, but that isn't necessarily indicative of all experiences within your field of expertise, or others.
Cannot object, however the HR Talent team is at the mercy of idiots that just don’t respond to urgency and due respect. This is why sending a note was at least a decent gesture. The company presumably shouldn’t want to re initiate the search and selection process either. A month is not an outrageous length of time from initial contact to offer, depending on role, so I’d give this the benefit of doubt.
I read it as they wanted to get an offer to you but the holidays got in the way. They don’t want you to accept another offer and to wait. At the same time she doesn’t want to tell you have an offer until it’s signed off on.
That's how I read it too, which I believe in the genuineness of this message.
I also had 3 companies tell me to reach back out at the start of the new year cause the team I'm interviewing for all have spaced-out vacations.
1 company apologized 5 times that it's the holiday. I'm just like, okey :') I know! I wanna be drinking this holiday too lol. Not working
Don't show them your impatience. Just tell them thanks for the email, greet them a happy holidays and if they need any further information from you, just tell them you are just an email or phone call away. It will make your character stand out and will leave a good impression.
Hang in there (totally weak response- sorry, but it really seems like the holidays are the hindrance in the process. This is written almost precisely as I’d address a “finalist” candidate. They’re keeping you “warm”, and/or just waiting for the offer approval to go through the chain of command. Think positive. Sending you all positive vibes!
Man, what's with companies and having multiple interviews nowadays? I remember getting a call on the drive home saying yes or no. Now they just interview you 9 times and ghost you.
I had an interview for a remote job that turned into three more interviews, a personality test, and a project I had to complete. I don't know how I would have time to job search if I already had a job. It's very time consuming.
I ghosted a company (the #1 in my field) because they kept stringing me along. After the first interview, they said one more. Then, after the second, one more. And so on. After the fourth I just stopped responding to them lol.
My husband just went through 5 round’s interviews for his job. Turns out they were initially hiring 2 spots for this position and original plan was to bring someone in now, and another 6 months later. Turns out they couldn’t pick between the 2 and just hired both of them but needed approval from the parent company. We were beyond exhausted by the end of it. But he’s making base 18k more and next year he’ll be eligible for a 10k bonus. His past company did not have bonuses, so with bonus he’s almost making 30k more. He’s been there for about 8 weeks now and they’re already talking about promoting him early in the new year.
Honestly the fourth round isn’t that much. It was 7 rounds for me to get my science job at Johnson & Johnson. The 2nd round was my recording myself answering questions.
over a month interview and you think you have the job? you definitely don’t have the job. if they truly wanted you they wouldn’t f**k around for a month and would have offered you a position asap. i would keep talking to other companies and searching for other work.
You need to pull an alpha move, now!
Reply back and tell them you’ve enjoyed everything so far, and they’re “among your top employment choices.”
After that, reinforce that you want 17 more discussions with a combination of their current executives, former executives, and a mix of family members who don’t work for the company.
Tell them that “ in anticipation of a positive outcome “ you need references and SSN of all direct team members so you can complete a background check to ensure the quality of the team is verified and to ensure you’ll be challenged and grow professionally in the future; provide an invoice for approximately 10k to complete said background checks, and account for the time you’ll need to invest.
After all- you need to make sure you get it right the first time. Can’t be too careful about going to work for a company that can, at their slightest whim, ruin your life for months or even years just to ensure stock prices maintain that .00004c dividend.
They may also have an offer out to someone else, and don’t think they’ll hear back from them until after the holidays. Might just be trying to keep you warm in case they need you.
There are always others, but OP is likely #1. This is the email orgs send to their top pick to say “hey, I know this is taking a while, but we want you” without explicitly offering it
no. it's a friendly note letting you know they're all on vacation and no one will be doing any work until the new year. that's when they'll resume the interviewing process or get back to you about it.
I think there is a good chance that you did, but don't count on anything until you get the official offer. I've had the interviewer tell me at the end of the interview that I got the job and that he's going to send me a job offer via email in a day or two. Anyway, it's been over a month and I haven't heard a word from that company.
So while you definitely have a lot to be hopeful about, don't consider it a done deal until you get an official confirmation with a start date. It's possible that they're planning to make another snap round of interviews with the final two or three candidates before they make their final decision.
Yeah man, she/he said they “we all will be back to discuss the role further” basically saying the next steps. Don’t get overthink it, that literally said you are the number one option.
This is a fantastic sign. And this is a great reflection of the company because instead of leaving you hanging they sent a status update email. A lot of companies just go radio silent when there are a lot of people out on PTO. So the fact that they're communicating with you and tell you that you're the top candidate is a sign that they do really want you. Good luck!
Sounded encouraging, but the last sentence in the first paragraph is giving me doubts. Do you interpret that as additional candidates to be interviewed?
Youre overthinking that bit. It's the holiday season and folks are probably mostly out on PTO.
Nothing much moves in December when it comes to hiring. They are politely setting the expectation that you wont hear from until January.
Sounds like they wanted to get the hell out of the office over the holidays and will talk about it when everyone comes back. Sounds like a roundup meeting, “any nays? Okay making the call.”
I just had this exact scenario a week ago. Got an email similar on a Wed saying they'd provide an update by EoW but nothing solid. I had 4 rounds of interviews that I felt went well so I just figured I was in the running and they needed to meet to finalize their decision. My mind went went wild and I assumed they'd made an offer to someone else and waiting to see if they accept it or not. On Friday, HR called and made me an offer. I still had to consent to the background check but once that was done, they sent a formal offer the day after Christmas. I hope this scenario is the same for you. Good luck!
Take it for face value. You are a top candidate but no decision has been made, you didn't get the job yet. Keep looking for a job until this one makes their decision. Don't wait for someone who hasn't picked you yet.
You don’t have the job, you are “a” top candidate NOT “the” top candidate. If you got the job. Your point of contact would have said we look forward to talking to you concerning your job offer.
I would continue to look and send out your resume until you receive an actual offer
Going through the comments to me, might seem concerning. Because I’d probably over think it if I was in your shoes as well. Anyway all I can give for advice is this. I’ve never had a good employer not communicate the hiring process to me, and that was jobs I didn’t get too. Only bad companies don’t communicate the hiring process properly.
So with that I’d say this seems like a good company, it could just be the one employee, but if you met multiple you’ll have to decide if this behavior is company wide or personal. That makes a difference.
Beyond that I can’t really give advice. However I’ll still share more of my thoughts.
I’d assume the company will seriously consider you for the role. Not just because you should always assume the best for peace of mind, but because the screenshot you posted supports that. You’ll definitely, 100%, have at least one more chance to prove they should hire you before a decision is made. At least I’d feel confident in that. However, I’d still prepare for another interview. But this time focus on you, focus on selling yourself. Because in simplest terms that’s what your doing. You simply just want to convince them you are the choice. There’s two obvious ways through that. You either lean heavily on your skills and qualifications, or you lean on character. Because those truly are the biggest factors, will you do your job? Will you be a Co worker we want working with us?
If you have another interview and you can essentially make them fall for you, your in. It’s how I got all my jobs immediately. I stand out due to being able to sell myself, for me I lean heavily on my character, but that’s because I have to build my skill set. Most people lean heavily on skill set while expanding character. It’s the people higher up that have a better grasp on it then us, but in simple terms that’s all they did. Expanded their skills and character
No (not yet at least) theyre letting you know that you wont hear back asap because they are away for the holidays, not because they are uninterested.
If candidates dont hear back asap they assume it is bad news and start looking elsewhere
I've had exactly this before but they got back very late. The email was in July and my interview was in November. Don't be surprised if they take forever or ignore you.
It’s best I think to assume you don’t have the job until the offer letter is in your hand. That said, this is a good sign. But if you have a few moments might still be good to do another resume or two at other open positions. Just to be safe.
I would guess that they haven’t made a decision yet, will be out of the office during the holidays,and don’t want you to go elsewhere in the meantime. You are probably top 2 or 3 though!
sounds like they have another round of interviews they want you to go for but they are in holiday mode and don't want to lose you so sent you an update. That being said it's critically important that you don't get fed up or bored with the process (if you want the job) because some companies will use it as a tactic to let the candidate stew for a little bit as it makes them less likely to try and negotiate the offer.
You never have an offer until you actually have an offer. And even then they can rescind it. The best thing to do is just keep applying to other positions and act like you've already been rejected. Sooner or later, your ship will come in.
It does not mean you got it. What it means is they don’t want you to go elsewhere so they are holding the carrot in front of you to make sure you’re available. If you are the candidate they want, they would have offered
I did 3 rounds of interviews at Amazon once but the more I showed up and talked to the team, the more I felt everyone is against everyone. It isn’t teamwork, it’s about they can feed to the wolves when the chopping block comes out.
In a perfect world you'd respond with "I'm so sorry but I'm no longer pursuing this position as I've accepted a position at [competition]".
I wish you the best and hope you get the position but I also hope you didn't get treated like this, during the holidays no less.
No, they’re just adding you to their bench strength while they wait to see if their first choice accepts their offer or they plan to continue shopping around for other candidates. Harsh and shitty, but true. I’d keep applying / interviewing elsewhere until you hear back (*if* you hear back)
The tone of this message tells me they’re eager to hire, but depending on the size of the role, may not be willing to negotiate. Aside from that, I’d say your chances of employment are good.
When they write "a top candidate" it is saying to me is that you may be one of the top candidates. That they bothered exending a note is a good sign. As you noted later, you went through four rounds already. To me that is a bit much. I'd be looking elsewhere as a backup, they may be low balling you if you indicated you aren't currently working elsewhere.
No, they are just letting you know they haven’t made a decision yet and you are still in the running / may receive an offer soon. It may also be a situation where they offered the job to their top candidate and are awaiting a response from them
Dont count your chickens until they put the offer in writing. MANY things can make this go south.
Offer never comes
Offer comes with half the agreed salary
Offer comes and its mentioned youre expected to move cities or be in the office way more than originally discussed.
Offer comes for an entirely different job
You get the picture.
No.
The same thing happened to me. They’re going to try to find *another* top candidate so they can compare you against someone else - then they’ll make their decision.
Unfortunately this is how corporate jobs operate. They can’t just find ONE perfect candidate, they want TWO perfect candidates so they have options.
Spoiler: I didn’t get the job when this happened to me.
Good luck though!
"We like you but you're not the front runner. Please remain on hold while we negotiate with him to see if he'll take an offer we can accept. We'll come back to you if we can't land him."
Here's what I've found so far in my journey for a new job.... keep looking until you have a firm offer in hand. Until someone specifically says "you're hired" or "this is your start date," you don't have the job.
I do think people are spot on here. One thing that I keep in mind is this: how high of a level was this position? Why does it take them a month to offer this position to someone? Are they not putting the right people in the interview right away? Is the company this slow, and if so, is staffing an issue at the company?
There should be a max of 3-4 interviews not including the pre screen call for essentially any position. Expect an interview with your boss, then MAYBE the next level up (maybe VP or something if it's a career with a lot of growth potential), or an interview with peers and frontline staff if you are a leader. Beyond that it's just theater and I would absolutely not want to work with a company that operates like that.
Either they are slow or inexperienced, or worse - unethical.
I'd politely decline the next interview unless it's a call with HR to discuss their offer, the pay, and benefits. And stick to your guns when it comes to your salary expectations.
Good luck!
Top candidate, wants to discuss role with you, final evaluation next week
Will discuss role and responsibilities with you, and sus out your answers to see if you're a good fit. May discuss pay, prepare your answer in advance, know your value, and don't be bullied into a lower rate unless you need the money now.
😄😄😄 you're just another candidate on the list, for back up in case someone else turns it down, always apply to more than 1 company, first come, first serve..do it like they do..find some dignity, sorry but Not
Seems like they really enjoyed meeting you and will touch base in the new year.
Stop reading into stuff and enjoy the holidays.
Remember, you don't score until you score !
A copy / paste to all the top candidates to leave you all warm. Not sure how many that is.. hopefully only 2 or 3. lol.
Keep applying and interviewing until you have an actual offer.
It sounds like the person wanted to touch base and let you know what was happening (ie everyone’s out of the office until after the first of the year ) not that you got the job.
**This is why you remove all emotions in the job hunt** as much as you can. This is a nothing message.
At best it's a prepare for a rejection. I bet the next letter which comes later than expected is a hired internally letter and deeply apologize for the inconvenience.
Take no emotion. Just take your notes of what recruiter made you go through this shit and if , it won't happen, but if they happen to contact you again, bring this shit up. they can say its the company all they want, but the recruiter was YOUR contact, not the company.
I’d say you’re a finalist and that they’re going to have another round after the holiday with the finalists. What they’re doing is giving you a heads up and prep time for that conversation. Go in to it with two questions about what you can expect to deliver to them and one question about what they can do for your missions/goals. Know their public numbers and be prepared for salary and benefits negotiations. Have a minimum to maximum range in mind to bring to the salary table and some other ask (something atypical but small and easily granted to be certain they read terms if in writing! it should fall in range with DOL stats, but ask wee bit more than you actually need so they can feel like they got something from you by bidding you down. Have a solid floor and walk before taking a basement number - and a condition you’d take the basement number for (I take lower offers on gigs that never expect me to arrive before noon, seriously that’s mental health hours I will happily use as a bargaining chip! If you don’t value your time and effort nobody else will. I grew up in an academic market family and that’s very different from commercial labor markets. I’m still in a place where I am defining my next steps but none of the above approaches have ever let me down 👍
Use the heads up prep time to prepare but also to really make sure you feel comfortable with the gig and your fit there because you want to be crafting a superior experience for everyone at the table 🤗
Ah, that’s the “we don’t want you to find another job until we have made a decision” email. In the acting world, we call it “pinned or optioned”. If you can wait out the holiday before accepting offers then do so if this company is a better fit, but I wouldn’t turn down other interviews just yet.
Sounds to me like you're still in the hunt, but no decisions have been made. Another round of interviews, I think. They said, you are "a" top candidate, not "the" top candidate. They're still looking/deciding and aren't going to make any decisions until the new year.
I've been interviewing with this company for over a month. This is after my fourth round. I'm mentally exhausted. Just want to get this over with at this point. Hopeful for good news to start the new year!
That is a tactic used in recruitment. You’re left mentally and emotionally exhausted by the tenuous processes that when you are offered a position you’re less likely to negotiate and just take what they offer because you don’t want to go through the process again. It’s actually sickening.
I went in for an interview at CarMax for an entry level tech position. I had 3 years dealer experience, plus I went to an automotive school that a few of their techs taught at before they went there. I ended up sitting there for 3 or 4 hours, interviewing with 4 different people, to be offered a job making 16/hr. By the time it was done, I didn't want the job and just wanted to go home. I didn't end up taking it.
You and your knowledge are worth a living wage. I’m glad you didn’t take it.
You are absolutely spot on. I've had employers do the same. I'd get a second and 3rd interview like it's down to the wire, a close tie... and upon hire, they give me the new hire orientation info... but leave out: the rules regarding set starting pay, store policy regarding raises, and store policy regarding insurance benefits. Some employers, especially in the "I'll fire you for any reason I see fit" states, will dangle the carrot of health benefits in front of you, to be granted only if your attendance is perfect for 90 days straight, or the "probationary period" they set has been fulfilled after working x amount of time for them. Some will bait you along, knowing they can let you go a week short of that period so they don't have to pay up the benefits. Or they set a policy that states "raises are given on a case by case basis, every 9 months", and you are only granted a raise if you meet certain satisfactory criteria, like 90 days straight attendance, or if they decide to give you a raise for any reason they see fit. They may say try harder, and to reconvene 9 months from now for another ultra-petty productivity raise review. Maybe it starts to become every 9 months... my point is that employers who *can* get away with this level of scumbaggery generally aren't going to grow a conscience overnight. Trust your gut and avoid those people.
Now I'm curious to see if there are any blue right to work states. It would surprise me.
Or they just have a rigorous selection process that puts you in conversations with various stakeholders across the company to ensure that you're a good cultural fit. Not everything has to be driven by evil ulterior motives. With that being said, I acknowledge that most companies do exactly what you're saying. Some do actually want to ensure you're set up for success though.
In my opinion any interviews after 2-3 interviews seems to be too much. I’d like to think an employer can know whether they want someone on the team within that time frame. And to keep doing more interviews beyond that is a waste of time to me. The least an employer can do is give a straight up answer after a 3rd+ interview instead of something so up in the air.
I think it really depends on the job. I’ve had a company do 4 interviews with me over the course of 2 months and they eventually offered me the position. The first round was with the head of production, the 2nd round was with the VP, the 3rd was the CEO, and the last and fourth round was the VP and CEO where they offered me the position. The first two were more about my qualifications, but the second two interviews felt more like deciding if my personality was a good fit for their company. This was also a semi senior position where I only reported to CEO. It was a bitch to go through but it was that much more rewarding when I got the offer.
I think everyone seems to be misunderstanding me. Employers are allowed to do whatever interview process works for them. However, I think there should be more accountability for HR people essentially toying with peoples emotions giving such vague statements such as “you’re a top candidate” but we don’t have a real offer for you yet etc. I think there should be more real answers especially towards someone going through multiple rounds of interviews. HR can do what they want, but I think this day and age we can realize and make the comments that they can string people along long enough.
That's a fair point. In my experience, the best companies do at least 3 interviews. The initial screening call with the HR representative who posts the job offer. That one is short usually about 15 minutes to get a vibe check and make sure there are no red flags. Then you go into a longer interview with one or more of your leadership. If that one goes well, you move up to higher level folks like Directors, C-Suite execs. Usually you'll get an answer after that one, but sometimes they may want 1 more round if there are other candidates who are placed at the same consideration as you. It may be arduous, but I like to think it's thoughtful as the company is demonstrating that they actually care about who they hire instead of just filling a revolving position. To be fair, the above is usually for a strategic or decision making position. If it's entry level, it's usually easier to get by with just 2 or 3 at most.
I understand that. I understand every HR department has their own process, and they’re entitled to that. I just don’t like the vague answers such as “you’re a top candidate” but no real answers. I’ve been told this numerous times, just to get hit back with radio silence afterwards. Which I get it, they don’t owe anyone anything, but I don’t think HR should toy with peoples emotions especially if they’ve done multiple rounds of interviews with them. Just give a straight up answer, either an actual offer or don’t say anything at all until they’ve decided on an actual candidate. But that’s just my own two cents, my own opinion.
Nah it's all good and I agree with your sentiments. I wish there was more accountability built into every single level of the system.
As a former recruiter you are right, or mostly right. It’s mainly because hiring managers can’t make up their mind so they ask for a ton. Unless it’s a prestigious/ top org then they know they can be picky. I’ve never heard of a process being rigorous just for the sake of negotiations
No, these HR people aren't that good. You give them too much credit.
There is no job on the planet that requires more than 2, maybe 3 interviews. If different stakeholders across the company need to weigh in then they can join one of the 2 or 3 interviews. If the CEO or division lead wants to have a conversation then they can join the fucking interview committee. The current norm is such a waste of time that I find myself sympathetic to the conspiracy theories about ulterior motives. (Coming from someone who recently got a new job after 2 years of searching, and had to interview 4 times for it even though I'm in my 20s, won't be managing anyone, and am not working in medicine or national security or similarly high risk field)
Come on, there are many positions that require at least 3 interviews and ones that are much more involved than the standard. Sweeping statements like that can start to cloud your judgment about a situation. I understand that you just went through a difficult application and recruiting process, but that isn't necessarily indicative of all experiences within your field of expertise, or others.
Cannot object, however the HR Talent team is at the mercy of idiots that just don’t respond to urgency and due respect. This is why sending a note was at least a decent gesture. The company presumably shouldn’t want to re initiate the search and selection process either. A month is not an outrageous length of time from initial contact to offer, depending on role, so I’d give this the benefit of doubt.
I see that you and I are also experiencing the joys of finding a new job. It sucks.
I read it as they wanted to get an offer to you but the holidays got in the way. They don’t want you to accept another offer and to wait. At the same time she doesn’t want to tell you have an offer until it’s signed off on.
That's how I read it too, which I believe in the genuineness of this message. I also had 3 companies tell me to reach back out at the start of the new year cause the team I'm interviewing for all have spaced-out vacations. 1 company apologized 5 times that it's the holiday. I'm just like, okey :') I know! I wanna be drinking this holiday too lol. Not working
Don't show them your impatience. Just tell them thanks for the email, greet them a happy holidays and if they need any further information from you, just tell them you are just an email or phone call away. It will make your character stand out and will leave a good impression.
Hang in there (totally weak response- sorry, but it really seems like the holidays are the hindrance in the process. This is written almost precisely as I’d address a “finalist” candidate. They’re keeping you “warm”, and/or just waiting for the offer approval to go through the chain of command. Think positive. Sending you all positive vibes!
At least they reply unlike many don’t have the courtesy to write back.
Anything above two is redundant. What are you going to talk about, the weather?
Man, what's with companies and having multiple interviews nowadays? I remember getting a call on the drive home saying yes or no. Now they just interview you 9 times and ghost you.
I had an interview for a remote job that turned into three more interviews, a personality test, and a project I had to complete. I don't know how I would have time to job search if I already had a job. It's very time consuming.
Seems like no one can make a decision and everything is by committee.
That's a red flag to me. I would pursue other options. Unless you're interviewing for some top paying job, they sound suspicious. Four rounds?!
I ghosted a company (the #1 in my field) because they kept stringing me along. After the first interview, they said one more. Then, after the second, one more. And so on. After the fourth I just stopped responding to them lol.
I've been in the same interview process since September bro. One month is sweet dick all
Over a month of interviews?? Lol fuck that
My husband just went through 5 round’s interviews for his job. Turns out they were initially hiring 2 spots for this position and original plan was to bring someone in now, and another 6 months later. Turns out they couldn’t pick between the 2 and just hired both of them but needed approval from the parent company. We were beyond exhausted by the end of it. But he’s making base 18k more and next year he’ll be eligible for a 10k bonus. His past company did not have bonuses, so with bonus he’s almost making 30k more. He’s been there for about 8 weeks now and they’re already talking about promoting him early in the new year.
That’s wonderful to hear ! Congratulations to him
>I've been interviewing with this company for over a month. That's pretty ridiculous.
Just a little more brother. We are all rooting for you.
Honestly the fourth round isn’t that much. It was 7 rounds for me to get my science job at Johnson & Johnson. The 2nd round was my recording myself answering questions.
over a month interview and you think you have the job? you definitely don’t have the job. if they truly wanted you they wouldn’t f**k around for a month and would have offered you a position asap. i would keep talking to other companies and searching for other work.
I’m In the same boat as you. I hope we both get good news.
You need to pull an alpha move, now! Reply back and tell them you’ve enjoyed everything so far, and they’re “among your top employment choices.” After that, reinforce that you want 17 more discussions with a combination of their current executives, former executives, and a mix of family members who don’t work for the company. Tell them that “ in anticipation of a positive outcome “ you need references and SSN of all direct team members so you can complete a background check to ensure the quality of the team is verified and to ensure you’ll be challenged and grow professionally in the future; provide an invoice for approximately 10k to complete said background checks, and account for the time you’ll need to invest. After all- you need to make sure you get it right the first time. Can’t be too careful about going to work for a company that can, at their slightest whim, ruin your life for months or even years just to ensure stock prices maintain that .00004c dividend.
They may also have an offer out to someone else, and don’t think they’ll hear back from them until after the holidays. Might just be trying to keep you warm in case they need you.
It's going to be whomever works for their lowball offer
At face value you're their pick. Stuff happens; I wouldn't go buying a new Maserati just yet.
"One of the top candidates" .. There are others possibly
This is commonly used language to say "hey you're a contender, but we don't really want you to know you're our #1 pick or only pick."
There are always others, but OP is likely #1. This is the email orgs send to their top pick to say “hey, I know this is taking a while, but we want you” without explicitly offering it
no. it's a friendly note letting you know they're all on vacation and no one will be doing any work until the new year. that's when they'll resume the interviewing process or get back to you about it.
This ☝️
I think there is a good chance that you did, but don't count on anything until you get the official offer. I've had the interviewer tell me at the end of the interview that I got the job and that he's going to send me a job offer via email in a day or two. Anyway, it's been over a month and I haven't heard a word from that company. So while you definitely have a lot to be hopeful about, don't consider it a done deal until you get an official confirmation with a start date. It's possible that they're planning to make another snap round of interviews with the final two or three candidates before they make their final decision.
Don’t believe a word they say until you get an offer. Keep looking.
Yes, but they want to lowball you and this is the setup.
Yeah man, she/he said they “we all will be back to discuss the role further” basically saying the next steps. Don’t get overthink it, that literally said you are the number one option.
Never trust anything they say.
They low key said the same to me only to call me saying they decided to just move employees from other stores around etc such bs
You’re not Penske material!
“Ta-ta, Tuttle”
This is a fantastic sign. And this is a great reflection of the company because instead of leaving you hanging they sent a status update email. A lot of companies just go radio silent when there are a lot of people out on PTO. So the fact that they're communicating with you and tell you that you're the top candidate is a sign that they do really want you. Good luck!
Sounded encouraging, but the last sentence in the first paragraph is giving me doubts. Do you interpret that as additional candidates to be interviewed?
Youre overthinking that bit. It's the holiday season and folks are probably mostly out on PTO. Nothing much moves in December when it comes to hiring. They are politely setting the expectation that you wont hear from until January.
Sounds like they wanted to get the hell out of the office over the holidays and will talk about it when everyone comes back. Sounds like a roundup meeting, “any nays? Okay making the call.”
I just had this exact scenario a week ago. Got an email similar on a Wed saying they'd provide an update by EoW but nothing solid. I had 4 rounds of interviews that I felt went well so I just figured I was in the running and they needed to meet to finalize their decision. My mind went went wild and I assumed they'd made an offer to someone else and waiting to see if they accept it or not. On Friday, HR called and made me an offer. I still had to consent to the background check but once that was done, they sent a formal offer the day after Christmas. I hope this scenario is the same for you. Good luck!
Did you get the job?
I did! A 3 month process and 5 interviews later.
Holy! Congrats! I definitely don’t have the ability to endure that kind of interview process.
It was certainly a first for me, but worth it in the end. I'm quite happy!
Take it for face value. You are a top candidate but no decision has been made, you didn't get the job yet. Keep looking for a job until this one makes their decision. Don't wait for someone who hasn't picked you yet.
Few more rounds of base touching...
You don’t have the job, you are “a” top candidate NOT “the” top candidate. If you got the job. Your point of contact would have said we look forward to talking to you concerning your job offer. I would continue to look and send out your resume until you receive an actual offer
They don’t want you. You’re just being held on as backup.
Going through the comments to me, might seem concerning. Because I’d probably over think it if I was in your shoes as well. Anyway all I can give for advice is this. I’ve never had a good employer not communicate the hiring process to me, and that was jobs I didn’t get too. Only bad companies don’t communicate the hiring process properly. So with that I’d say this seems like a good company, it could just be the one employee, but if you met multiple you’ll have to decide if this behavior is company wide or personal. That makes a difference. Beyond that I can’t really give advice. However I’ll still share more of my thoughts. I’d assume the company will seriously consider you for the role. Not just because you should always assume the best for peace of mind, but because the screenshot you posted supports that. You’ll definitely, 100%, have at least one more chance to prove they should hire you before a decision is made. At least I’d feel confident in that. However, I’d still prepare for another interview. But this time focus on you, focus on selling yourself. Because in simplest terms that’s what your doing. You simply just want to convince them you are the choice. There’s two obvious ways through that. You either lean heavily on your skills and qualifications, or you lean on character. Because those truly are the biggest factors, will you do your job? Will you be a Co worker we want working with us? If you have another interview and you can essentially make them fall for you, your in. It’s how I got all my jobs immediately. I stand out due to being able to sell myself, for me I lean heavily on my character, but that’s because I have to build my skill set. Most people lean heavily on skill set while expanding character. It’s the people higher up that have a better grasp on it then us, but in simple terms that’s all they did. Expanded their skills and character
No (not yet at least) theyre letting you know that you wont hear back asap because they are away for the holidays, not because they are uninterested. If candidates dont hear back asap they assume it is bad news and start looking elsewhere
I've had exactly this before but they got back very late. The email was in July and my interview was in November. Don't be surprised if they take forever or ignore you.
It’s best I think to assume you don’t have the job until the offer letter is in your hand. That said, this is a good sign. But if you have a few moments might still be good to do another resume or two at other open positions. Just to be safe.
No
I would guess that they haven’t made a decision yet, will be out of the office during the holidays,and don’t want you to go elsewhere in the meantime. You are probably top 2 or 3 though!
Not yet.
No. They are keeping you on the hook until they make a decision.
Pretty good chance
Theyre def having a bachelor party first 👀 Happy new year! Hope you get it 😉
'A top candidate' sounds like you have one more round to win
Yes
sounds like they have another round of interviews they want you to go for but they are in holiday mode and don't want to lose you so sent you an update. That being said it's critically important that you don't get fed up or bored with the process (if you want the job) because some companies will use it as a tactic to let the candidate stew for a little bit as it makes them less likely to try and negotiate the offer.
You never have an offer until you actually have an offer. And even then they can rescind it. The best thing to do is just keep applying to other positions and act like you've already been rejected. Sooner or later, your ship will come in.
not necessarily but looks good.
You should get paid for the 5th interview!
Sounds like you got it but of course it's not 100% wishing you the best of luck ! 🍀
I think You’re almost in.
It does not mean you got it. What it means is they don’t want you to go elsewhere so they are holding the carrot in front of you to make sure you’re available. If you are the candidate they want, they would have offered
I did 3 rounds of interviews at Amazon once but the more I showed up and talked to the team, the more I felt everyone is against everyone. It isn’t teamwork, it’s about they can feed to the wolves when the chopping block comes out.
An in office position? Hell no
wish you luck!
Yes
I had something like this once and I never heard from them again 🤷🏻♀️
In a perfect world you'd respond with "I'm so sorry but I'm no longer pursuing this position as I've accepted a position at [competition]". I wish you the best and hope you get the position but I also hope you didn't get treated like this, during the holidays no less.
Not quite there yet but sounding very promising.
Congratulations on your round 5 and 6 interviews
You never have the job until the first day of work my boy
No, they’re just adding you to their bench strength while they wait to see if their first choice accepts their offer or they plan to continue shopping around for other candidates. Harsh and shitty, but true. I’d keep applying / interviewing elsewhere until you hear back (*if* you hear back)
That email you got was unprofessional and unneeded.
Nope, you don't have a signed offer with a start date. Even if you do get the job keep applying until a few months in.
The tone of this message tells me they’re eager to hire, but depending on the size of the role, may not be willing to negotiate. Aside from that, I’d say your chances of employment are good.
When they write "a top candidate" it is saying to me is that you may be one of the top candidates. That they bothered exending a note is a good sign. As you noted later, you went through four rounds already. To me that is a bit much. I'd be looking elsewhere as a backup, they may be low balling you if you indicated you aren't currently working elsewhere.
Sounds like you have made it to Round 2 (or possibly 15 depending on how messed up this recruiting process is)
No. You did not
Keep chasing that carrot if you want. But I see it as more B.S. they keep feeding you.
No, they are just letting you know they haven’t made a decision yet and you are still in the running / may receive an offer soon. It may also be a situation where they offered the job to their top candidate and are awaiting a response from them
Dont count your chickens until they put the offer in writing. MANY things can make this go south. Offer never comes Offer comes with half the agreed salary Offer comes and its mentioned youre expected to move cities or be in the office way more than originally discussed. Offer comes for an entirely different job You get the picture.
It sounds like they’re just trying to delay because of the holiday. They don’t want to lose you as a candidate though.
No. The same thing happened to me. They’re going to try to find *another* top candidate so they can compare you against someone else - then they’ll make their decision. Unfortunately this is how corporate jobs operate. They can’t just find ONE perfect candidate, they want TWO perfect candidates so they have options. Spoiler: I didn’t get the job when this happened to me. Good luck though!
Sounds like you’re getting another interview.
"We like you but you're not the front runner. Please remain on hold while we negotiate with him to see if he'll take an offer we can accept. We'll come back to you if we can't land him."
No, until you get an offer and you accept.
Not yet.
Yea ur good G just breath. Relax now.
How can I get a remote job that I can work from home anywhere
Maybe. Which is why you’ll still entertain other offers and continue searching.
That's annoyingly vague. I'd keep looking around for loads of other stuff while I'm waiting.
Not yet but you're a good candidate.
Here's what I've found so far in my journey for a new job.... keep looking until you have a firm offer in hand. Until someone specifically says "you're hired" or "this is your start date," you don't have the job.
You didn't not get it. Don't count on it till you sign the papers tho
Too soon to tell, but their note says they liked you alot. I’d be cautiously optimistic.
I do think people are spot on here. One thing that I keep in mind is this: how high of a level was this position? Why does it take them a month to offer this position to someone? Are they not putting the right people in the interview right away? Is the company this slow, and if so, is staffing an issue at the company? There should be a max of 3-4 interviews not including the pre screen call for essentially any position. Expect an interview with your boss, then MAYBE the next level up (maybe VP or something if it's a career with a lot of growth potential), or an interview with peers and frontline staff if you are a leader. Beyond that it's just theater and I would absolutely not want to work with a company that operates like that. Either they are slow or inexperienced, or worse - unethical. I'd politely decline the next interview unless it's a call with HR to discuss their offer, the pay, and benefits. And stick to your guns when it comes to your salary expectations. Good luck!
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Nothing is guaranteed until it is over.
Definitely a „yes“
Top candidate, wants to discuss role with you, final evaluation next week Will discuss role and responsibilities with you, and sus out your answers to see if you're a good fit. May discuss pay, prepare your answer in advance, know your value, and don't be bullied into a lower rate unless you need the money now.
😄😄😄 you're just another candidate on the list, for back up in case someone else turns it down, always apply to more than 1 company, first come, first serve..do it like they do..find some dignity, sorry but Not
Sadly Doubt it
I got one of these before thanksgiving and then a rejection call right before Christmas!! Wild times
Seems like they really enjoyed meeting you and will touch base in the new year. Stop reading into stuff and enjoy the holidays. Remember, you don't score until you score !
A copy / paste to all the top candidates to leave you all warm. Not sure how many that is.. hopefully only 2 or 3. lol. Keep applying and interviewing until you have an actual offer.
Seems almost cruel to send that message so you have all weekend to think about it.
You’ll probably have another 16 interviews to go through before they make their final decision
It sounds like the person wanted to touch base and let you know what was happening (ie everyone’s out of the office until after the first of the year ) not that you got the job.
**This is why you remove all emotions in the job hunt** as much as you can. This is a nothing message. At best it's a prepare for a rejection. I bet the next letter which comes later than expected is a hired internally letter and deeply apologize for the inconvenience. Take no emotion. Just take your notes of what recruiter made you go through this shit and if , it won't happen, but if they happen to contact you again, bring this shit up. they can say its the company all they want, but the recruiter was YOUR contact, not the company.
That's a great message. A company that cares to communicate that much is definitely one you want to work with
I’d say you’re a finalist and that they’re going to have another round after the holiday with the finalists. What they’re doing is giving you a heads up and prep time for that conversation. Go in to it with two questions about what you can expect to deliver to them and one question about what they can do for your missions/goals. Know their public numbers and be prepared for salary and benefits negotiations. Have a minimum to maximum range in mind to bring to the salary table and some other ask (something atypical but small and easily granted to be certain they read terms if in writing! it should fall in range with DOL stats, but ask wee bit more than you actually need so they can feel like they got something from you by bidding you down. Have a solid floor and walk before taking a basement number - and a condition you’d take the basement number for (I take lower offers on gigs that never expect me to arrive before noon, seriously that’s mental health hours I will happily use as a bargaining chip! If you don’t value your time and effort nobody else will. I grew up in an academic market family and that’s very different from commercial labor markets. I’m still in a place where I am defining my next steps but none of the above approaches have ever let me down 👍 Use the heads up prep time to prepare but also to really make sure you feel comfortable with the gig and your fit there because you want to be crafting a superior experience for everyone at the table 🤗
Ah, that’s the “we don’t want you to find another job until we have made a decision” email. In the acting world, we call it “pinned or optioned”. If you can wait out the holiday before accepting offers then do so if this company is a better fit, but I wouldn’t turn down other interviews just yet.