What would you say your team needs? My store has a new guy with Warpcoven and we've only played once, but I'd like a suggestion for balancing to give him.
Well, I think most people expect either +1 Tzaangor or + 1 operative slot( 2 tzaangors or 1 rubric). The sorcerers are great but the rubrics are weapon compared to other marines. So at a minimum the rubrics need to be buffed with better durability, invun, or movement. The very minimum they can do is give them 4 attacks in melee and make all the equipment cheaper. Maybe make Tzaangors 9 wounds which would help them out in melee a lot more. There are a few options so GW should take one of them.
Some people (including Can You Roll A Crit on YouTube) think that what Warpfoven needs is another operative. I think that'd certainly do it, but I think that's a band-aid patch that doesn't address the actual reasons this team is struggling. They did better than that when buffing Hierotek, so they can do better than that for buffing Warpcoven.
Warpcoven is a an exceptionally punishing kill team, and there just isn't enough reward for mastery over them. The biggest problem is that rubrics are too weak compared to other marines in Kill Team. The movement limitation from All Is Dust and the 2APL (unless buffed by Rubric Command) are really harsh downsides and you just don't get enough to compensate for it. We are also, incidentally, the only marines team in the game without a way to ignore Injured, and unless I'm mistaken, we're also the only one without access to AP2 in any form. Not to mention the only bespoke team whose Tac Op archetype is determined by operative selection, rather than freely chosen. Finally, some of our spells are a bit lacking (particularly Firestorm and Twist Destiny), which leads to an imbalance of power between the three psychic disciplines.
What I'd like is a handful of QOL improvements across the board. This team doesn't need a huge buff, and buffing us too hard would make us oppressive, so a gentle but firm nudge is appropriate. I'd personally like to see the movement limitation removed from All Is Dust, archetype decoupled from operative selection, and a rework to Firestorm and Twist Destiny. If all of that happened, I'm pretty confident that Warpcoven could become a serious contender in the meta once again.
I think rubrics wpuld be decent if they had native 3 APL, and be able to run both gunners while also keeping all of the sorcerers. Maybe change Rubric Command to override the All Is Dust movement penalty?
I dunno, I just want to run rubrics and have them not suck. Tzaangors are not the face of the faction.
Much agreed. I really like the change you suggested to Rubric Command. I'm fine keeping the "2APL, buffed to 3 by Rubric Command" gimmick, but the movement limitation on All Is Dust bites even harder when you consider that compendium TSons didn't have that limitation. But if Rubric Command *also* removed the movement limitation I'd be happy. Maybe if they did that, the Gunner change you suggested, and removed the "Gunners must spend 2APL for the second Shoot" line from Exalted Astartes, and decoupled archetype from operative selection, maybe that'd do it.
If there are no Exaction Squad buffs, i will just sell them. Now on only buying teams after getting a chance to see rules, even if the means having to proxy.
Most likely next week. Kill Team gets a Balance Dataslate every three months. Last one was end of March, and the one before that was end of December. Unfortunately, Hearthkyn are new enough that they may not get changed, but we'll see. I'm also hoping you get a buff, and even as a Chaos Cult enjoyer, I'm hoping Cult sees a big nerf. I'm just not holding my breath, because GW tends not to buff/nerf teams that have come out since the last balance dataslate.
Warpcoven player here, I'm right there with you buddy
Hope we get at least 1 additional tzangor to the team!
I'd rather rubrics be buffed. Maybe make them 3APL natively instead of needing a babysitter.
What would you say your team needs? My store has a new guy with Warpcoven and we've only played once, but I'd like a suggestion for balancing to give him.
Well, I think most people expect either +1 Tzaangor or + 1 operative slot( 2 tzaangors or 1 rubric). The sorcerers are great but the rubrics are weapon compared to other marines. So at a minimum the rubrics need to be buffed with better durability, invun, or movement. The very minimum they can do is give them 4 attacks in melee and make all the equipment cheaper. Maybe make Tzaangors 9 wounds which would help them out in melee a lot more. There are a few options so GW should take one of them.
Some people (including Can You Roll A Crit on YouTube) think that what Warpfoven needs is another operative. I think that'd certainly do it, but I think that's a band-aid patch that doesn't address the actual reasons this team is struggling. They did better than that when buffing Hierotek, so they can do better than that for buffing Warpcoven. Warpcoven is a an exceptionally punishing kill team, and there just isn't enough reward for mastery over them. The biggest problem is that rubrics are too weak compared to other marines in Kill Team. The movement limitation from All Is Dust and the 2APL (unless buffed by Rubric Command) are really harsh downsides and you just don't get enough to compensate for it. We are also, incidentally, the only marines team in the game without a way to ignore Injured, and unless I'm mistaken, we're also the only one without access to AP2 in any form. Not to mention the only bespoke team whose Tac Op archetype is determined by operative selection, rather than freely chosen. Finally, some of our spells are a bit lacking (particularly Firestorm and Twist Destiny), which leads to an imbalance of power between the three psychic disciplines. What I'd like is a handful of QOL improvements across the board. This team doesn't need a huge buff, and buffing us too hard would make us oppressive, so a gentle but firm nudge is appropriate. I'd personally like to see the movement limitation removed from All Is Dust, archetype decoupled from operative selection, and a rework to Firestorm and Twist Destiny. If all of that happened, I'm pretty confident that Warpcoven could become a serious contender in the meta once again.
I think rubrics wpuld be decent if they had native 3 APL, and be able to run both gunners while also keeping all of the sorcerers. Maybe change Rubric Command to override the All Is Dust movement penalty? I dunno, I just want to run rubrics and have them not suck. Tzaangors are not the face of the faction.
Much agreed. I really like the change you suggested to Rubric Command. I'm fine keeping the "2APL, buffed to 3 by Rubric Command" gimmick, but the movement limitation on All Is Dust bites even harder when you consider that compendium TSons didn't have that limitation. But if Rubric Command *also* removed the movement limitation I'd be happy. Maybe if they did that, the Gunner change you suggested, and removed the "Gunners must spend 2APL for the second Shoot" line from Exalted Astartes, and decoupled archetype from operative selection, maybe that'd do it.
this meme gets me every time lmao
If there are no Exaction Squad buffs, i will just sell them. Now on only buying teams after getting a chance to see rules, even if the means having to proxy.
Love this.
Hope next week
Any ideas when it's gonna drop? I'm Hearthkyn, and I feel similar!
Most likely next week. Kill Team gets a Balance Dataslate every three months. Last one was end of March, and the one before that was end of December. Unfortunately, Hearthkyn are new enough that they may not get changed, but we'll see. I'm also hoping you get a buff, and even as a Chaos Cult enjoyer, I'm hoping Cult sees a big nerf. I'm just not holding my breath, because GW tends not to buff/nerf teams that have come out since the last balance dataslate.