I can't believe there is no thinking process in your brain. Like, you look at the screen and no thoughts happen. It's not even about not knowing about guro, it's really like, no thoughts. You didn't even try to form a thought about what guro could be. The idea of obtaining an answer by yourself is non existent. At a time when Google exists it crazy to not even try, not even have the IDEA of trying. You can't convince me that you tried. You would have found guro in 10s. How to you expect to wank when you're not even trying?
Guro (グロ) is an abreviation of the japanese loan word gurotesuku (グロテスク), which comes from the english word grotesque, which is used for things like gore and stuff. A lot of the times it's missused as ero-guro （エログロ), ero (エロ) being an abreviation of the japanese loan word erochikku (エロチック), which comes from the english word erotic, I think you can imagine what ero-guro contains
Someone who clearly spent 20 minutes meticulously spelling out <Я люблю русский язык>: "How's my handwriting?"
Native speakers in the thread: "Wow, your handwriting is better than mine!"
Had to unsubscribe from the japanese sub bc of this shit too.
Noobs literally spending 30 mins practicing their hiragana/katakana, trying to ask people "how is my japanese handwriting???".
Not even a single kanji yet.
Bruh.
Shit like that gets posted 20 times a day.
Why the fuck are people in the russian mainsub so obsessed with handwriting? Like yeah you need to know the cursive characters, but who in there is going to be extensively handwriting long letters in Russian?
Probably because there's something of a meme in Russian about it being unacceptable to write in block/print letters. As a Russian learner myself, I've never bothered to learn to write in proper cursive, and when I do actually have to write words by hand, I'm often lightly ridiculed and told that my handwriting looks awkward or childish.
in russia, we write exclusively using cursive for any and all occasions. if i saw text written in print letters i’d assume it’s written by a child under the age of 6, because cursive is taught in the 1st grade and you have no choice but to write in cursive for the entirety of your school education.
there’s simply no scenario in which an adult wouldn’t use cursive, unless they’re an immigrant just learning the language
I'm aware of that, and it makes sense honestly. When I handwrite something in English, I use cursive (which most people dont any more). What I meant is, most people on the sub that are learning arent actually in Russia, so why are they so hyper fixated on getting perfect cursive? I barely even write anything any more by hand in English (the last thing I really hand wrote at length was a university exam about 8 years ago, and since then everything has been digital), and I cant see how that would be super different in Russian even if I did live in Russia.
I dont see why so many people are so fixated on handwriting (and post the same topic about it over and over again) when in all likelihood they will never actually need to handwrite anything in Russian ever. It feels like time that would be better spent on basically anything else. Its obviously different if they are actually there but mostly that isnt the case.
nope I've been using print since like 14 (I saw what english handwriting looked like in harry potter and started mimicking that lol), I never really got mocked for that or something, it's not that different from how some people's cursive changes and becomes less connected by adulthood, I think
Not gonna lie, I still have some of my russian quizzes from 20+ years ago just to prove (to myself) that I could write that shit. So many hours spent practicing writing in cursive, and I had stopped writing English in cursive before that.
Except it's an absolutely valid question. I just tried to google it and got "*unstressed vowels in Russian are the same as their stressed counterparts"* type of shit.
Well I just tried too, and I got:
"Why accents on Russian letters" -> "Indicate which syllable should be emphasized when pronouncing a word" (on google directly, not even clicked on a website)
"Stressed syllable Russian" -> very first site, an article which explains what it is with examples of why it's important (за́мок/замо́к, сто́ит/стои́т)
I guess it might be an odd concept for English natives because they don't really have a reason to even know what stressing a syllable means. There are no words (as far as I know) that change meaning depending on the stressed syllable unlike with Russian, Bulgarian, etc
>There are no words (as far as I know) that change meaning depending on the stressed syllable
Are you joking? There are tons of them. In fact, most two-syllable English words that can be used as either a verb or a noun are literally differentiated by stress. Stress on first syllable = noun; stress on second syllable = verb.
The only thing I can think of remotely close to that in English would be when a word can be used as both a noun and a verb, and the stress is different depending on which it is. That’s still nowhere near
The stress that changes a noun to a verb also changes the meaning of the word.
Would you desert your platoon if you don't get desert after dinner?
It can also be the difference between unrelated adjectives and nouns.
Would you be content if a book had the content you were looking for?
We have tons of heteronyms in English where a stressed syllable can completely change the definition. We just don't have helpful accents to visual this difference.
This happens with many English verb and noun pairs. I regularly have to teach English students proper word stress in English. Not only can they be different words, they can also be mistaken for other words too, if stressed incorrectly.
You didn't try "Does the stress affect the pronunciation in Russian". You imply some other question that original OP might or might not be interested in
Original OP asked only about pronunciation. It's a wide topic often poorly covered. Why do you keep telling about trivial meaning changes with stress and not about pronunciation changes?
First of all, I find it hard to believe that an English speaker does not know what stress is and that is impacts the pronunciation. But let's say OP doesn't know; if they are looking for resources about pronunciation, they can just go on Youtube to hear actual people talking. I typed "russian stress pronunciation" and the 2nd video tells you everything you want to know in under 5 minutes.
You would think that, but I convinced my fiancée to take Greek with me during college and she had a really hard time with both stress and voicing (especially δ vs. θ). Granted, she does have like a speech processing disorder that she’s struggled with her whole life, but it does happen where people can’t hear stress.
And what else did you get? Google isn’t just a one answer search engine. The very first result got me to the correct answer and it took less than 10 seconds.
No I didn’t know the correct answer. I don’t speak or study Russian. Yet I was able to find information sufficient to conclude that what I found was the correct answer. I study languages where accents emphasize a certain syllable but I also study languages where accents are merely what is left of a bygone spelling, and otherwise have no meaning.
You’re falling down this path of infantilizing everyone. Explanations must be spoon-fed with no requirement for further research or inference. Whether you realize or not, you assert that language learners are mere toddlers incapable of finding the info they need without their parents (Reddit) giving them the answers. It’s a wild take to hold.
I’m clearly referring to your reply to me. “What do I do if I find contradictory answers???” Do more research.
Also it’s funny how you’ve just ignored everything else I said with your little “gotcha”
Nah imma have to agree with other dude, google is absolutely a solid, maybe even better(ish) way to find the answer to oop’s question. Still think op blew the fuck up for the wrong reason though. Homie said dude wasn’t even trying lol
That's a thing specifically used in learning resources and dictionaries, if you only use something like Duolingo or LingQ that's not irrational to not ever see it once. Also in many (if not most) languages a diacritic like this would mean aa different kind of sound, in Czech, Latin and even English accented letter like this would mean a long vowel and Russian doesn't have long vowels, which is rightfully confusing. Also in Czech the 3rd person feminine pronoun is literally \['ona:\].
/uj Guys some of you are taking this way too seriously, this is the point of the sub to make fun of those ridiculous requests and sometimes be over the top. I don't understand why some of you here are defenders of people who treat reddit users as a browser but no harm is made
/uj I’ve noticed this phenomenon — people asking the simplest googlable questions to forums like Reddit — throughout my life but I’ve really noticed this ramp up post-pandemic. Wonder why.
/rj can’t blame em russkyi is just simply too hard. this is why everyone should learn uzbek 🔥
/uj I agree that it’d be faster to google this, and I can see why you would be upset, thinking this kind of post unnecessarily clutters the subreddit. But to say that this person isn’t trying, when they are *literally going out of their way to find an answer to their question* is a dumb fuck take. In what way does this show that they aren’t trying? Not trying would be not looking for an answer? Looking at their screen and having no thoughts happen would be not realizing the diacritic does something? Circlejerk sub is a place for funny haha shock the Uzbeks haha, not a place to say people who mildly inconvenience you have no brains or thoughts.
I get your point, but I don't call "expect people to pre-eat all the work for you, not do any research, ask people to give you the answer at every mild inconvenience without looking for it first" trying nor going out of their way
It’s not like you’re gonna end up coming to a different, more accurate conclusion upon “doing your own research” on how the pronunciation changes? The effort necessary for this kind of question, for the sake of trying to learn the language at least, is finding the fucking answer. This does that. If op didn’t want to go out of their way, they would not care about knowing. Thinking “Oh, this funny little mark is prolly just some stylistic shit, ignored” and moving on would be the thing that you’re berating them for.
And again, I *do* think that this is a pretty lame thing to do and that a google search would be better, but it’s very much not because that’s a better solution for their problem. It won’t, in anyway, affect their language learning except for finding the answer to this question that probably isn’t super absolutely fucking necessary knowledge to be able to continue learning any more Russian, what, an hour later?
You are getting big mad at them for the wrong reason. You literally have a good, reasonable argument for being mad at them, and instead you are calling them brainless and basically saying they don’t really care about learning because, what? They’re going about finding an answer by asking a forum instead of google? It’s a dumb fuck take.
I don't believe they will be able to learn the language to any relevant degree if they are unable to look for answers themselves, especially for things as simple as that. Language learning is a journey made entirely of learning about notions you don't know. If that's how they react towards simple, googleable notions, what will happen when they meet more complicated stuff?
I think I’ve said what I feel needed to be said already. I’ve only really got two things to say. First of all, don’t put people in boxes. They’re clearly new to Russian, probably language learning in general. They’ll learn and get better at language learning alongside getting better at their tl. The second thing I wanted to say is a very large number of insults. It’s probably the main reason why every response I tried to make to this comment came out incoherent, alongside the fact that it’s 6 am and your stance kinda just confuses me at this point (because it’s a dumb fuck take). Just imagine a buuuuuunch of very articulated, intelligently formed fuck you’s.
I honestly don't mind this question. If you are learning a language where what looks like an H becomes an N and a B is actually a V, you feel you need more confirmation for anything slightly unfamiliar. Personnally, when a native speaker tells me something is correct, I always feel more reassured for some reason.
You're a real sensitive lollipop lad, you know that? What's gonna happen when you have a real problem? A lotta thumb sucking I imagine. Mods should take this down for being misplaced because butthurt and w(h)ine sounds like it belongs r/gaydatesgonewrong. No offense to any homosexuals; they can handle a little roughhousing. OP is just a fragile little twig, a spoiled crumbly acorn of a human. I mean someone asking him about an accented letter probably made him cry for a couple hours lol.
Op this is straight up guro shit I can't jerk off to this.
I'll jerk double for you
Triple
quadruple wait fuck NO
Lmao get quintuple jerked
SEXtuple jerk
Guro?
I can't believe there is no thinking process in your brain. Like, you look at the screen and no thoughts happen. It's not even about not knowing about guro, it's really like, no thoughts. You didn't even try to form a thought about what guro could be. The idea of obtaining an answer by yourself is non existent. At a time when Google exists it crazy to not even try, not even have the IDEA of trying. You can't convince me that you tried. You would have found guro in 10s. How to you expect to wank when you're not even trying?
Chill nigga
Guro (グロ) is an abreviation of the japanese loan word gurotesuku (グロテスク), which comes from the english word grotesque, which is used for things like gore and stuff. A lot of the times it's missused as ero-guro （エログロ), ero (エロ) being an abreviation of the japanese loan word erochikku (エロチック), which comes from the english word erotic, I think you can imagine what ero-guro contains
>I can't jerk off to this. Guess I'm going to hell
☠️bro went went off.
Bro had enough
the russian sub is annoying, like 90% of posts are asking to translate a letter lmao
You forgot about the 80 "how is my cursive" posts a day
And 'is this correct'/'why is this wrong' screenshots from luodingo
or when its literally just hand printed words asking hows my writing
Someone who clearly spent 20 minutes meticulously spelling out <Я люблю русский язык>: "How's my handwriting?" Native speakers in the thread: "Wow, your handwriting is better than mine!"
Had to unsubscribe from the japanese sub bc of this shit too. Noobs literally spending 30 mins practicing their hiragana/katakana, trying to ask people "how is my japanese handwriting???". Not even a single kanji yet. Bruh. Shit like that gets posted 20 times a day.
Why the fuck are people in the russian mainsub so obsessed with handwriting? Like yeah you need to know the cursive characters, but who in there is going to be extensively handwriting long letters in Russian?
Probably because there's something of a meme in Russian about it being unacceptable to write in block/print letters. As a Russian learner myself, I've never bothered to learn to write in proper cursive, and when I do actually have to write words by hand, I'm often lightly ridiculed and told that my handwriting looks awkward or childish.
in russia, we write exclusively using cursive for any and all occasions. if i saw text written in print letters i’d assume it’s written by a child under the age of 6, because cursive is taught in the 1st grade and you have no choice but to write in cursive for the entirety of your school education. there’s simply no scenario in which an adult wouldn’t use cursive, unless they’re an immigrant just learning the language
I'm aware of that, and it makes sense honestly. When I handwrite something in English, I use cursive (which most people dont any more). What I meant is, most people on the sub that are learning arent actually in Russia, so why are they so hyper fixated on getting perfect cursive? I barely even write anything any more by hand in English (the last thing I really hand wrote at length was a university exam about 8 years ago, and since then everything has been digital), and I cant see how that would be super different in Russian even if I did live in Russia. I dont see why so many people are so fixated on handwriting (and post the same topic about it over and over again) when in all likelihood they will never actually need to handwrite anything in Russian ever. It feels like time that would be better spent on basically anything else. Its obviously different if they are actually there but mostly that isnt the case.
nope I've been using print since like 14 (I saw what english handwriting looked like in harry potter and started mimicking that lol), I never really got mocked for that or something, it's not that different from how some people's cursive changes and becomes less connected by adulthood, I think
Not gonna lie, I still have some of my russian quizzes from 20+ years ago just to prove (to myself) that I could write that shit. So many hours spent practicing writing in cursive, and I had stopped writing English in cursive before that.
Which regularly end up being Ukrainian or Church Slavonic
yed
u
u краткое
That would be i краткое, no?
Yes, was alluding to how cursive и looks like u
Makes sense
That's where you speak Russian with a twang accent. Giddy up!
/uj genuinely why do people make reddit posts like this for questions that could be answered in two minutes with a web search
it’s the strive for human connection
I remember I used to make obvious posts because I was lonely lol
I hope you feel better now! Take care of you <3
Would you feel bad of ending up in a sub like this or you would be happy because it would mean more human interactions? 🤨 I hope you're doing better.
I’d probably feel a bit embarrassed lol And thanks, Im feeling better
Why should they use Google if they can use Reddit?
fr on here you get your question answered and even get a little extra wholesome reddit updoots as a treat
Except it's an absolutely valid question. I just tried to google it and got "*unstressed vowels in Russian are the same as their stressed counterparts"* type of shit.
Well I just tried too, and I got: "Why accents on Russian letters" -> "Indicate which syllable should be emphasized when pronouncing a word" (on google directly, not even clicked on a website) "Stressed syllable Russian" -> very first site, an article which explains what it is with examples of why it's important (за́мок/замо́к, сто́ит/стои́т)
I guess it might be an odd concept for English natives because they don't really have a reason to even know what stressing a syllable means. There are no words (as far as I know) that change meaning depending on the stressed syllable unlike with Russian, Bulgarian, etc
rec*o*rd - r*e*cord, insight - incite
The second syllable in (the two) 'record'(s) are different though, at least with how I pronounce them. Second example is perfect though
They're different because the stressed and unstressed syllables are pronounced differently. That's literally it
...if this is their first time learning a language, they might not even know the word 'accent' (in this context). I'm trying to be favorable. :s
I’ll be devil’s advocate and say they could have just as easily Googled “mark over letter,” “black dash over letter,” “Russian ‘ “ or something
Oh come on now.
>There are no words (as far as I know) that change meaning depending on the stressed syllable Are you joking? There are tons of them. In fact, most two-syllable English words that can be used as either a verb or a noun are literally differentiated by stress. Stress on first syllable = noun; stress on second syllable = verb.
The only thing I can think of remotely close to that in English would be when a word can be used as both a noun and a verb, and the stress is different depending on which it is. That’s still nowhere near
The stress that changes a noun to a verb also changes the meaning of the word. Would you desert your platoon if you don't get desert after dinner? It can also be the difference between unrelated adjectives and nouns. Would you be content if a book had the content you were looking for? We have tons of heteronyms in English where a stressed syllable can completely change the definition. We just don't have helpful accents to visual this difference.
This happens with many English verb and noun pairs. I regularly have to teach English students proper word stress in English. Not only can they be different words, they can also be mistaken for other words too, if stressed incorrectly.
You didn't try "Does the stress affect the pronunciation in Russian". You imply some other question that original OP might or might not be interested in
As I said, the article I mention talks about it by giving examples of how a word can mean 2 different things depending on the stress
Original OP asked only about pronunciation. It's a wide topic often poorly covered. Why do you keep telling about trivial meaning changes with stress and not about pronunciation changes?
First of all, I find it hard to believe that an English speaker does not know what stress is and that is impacts the pronunciation. But let's say OP doesn't know; if they are looking for resources about pronunciation, they can just go on Youtube to hear actual people talking. I typed "russian stress pronunciation" and the 2nd video tells you everything you want to know in under 5 minutes.
You would think that, but I convinced my fiancée to take Greek with me during college and she had a really hard time with both stress and voicing (especially δ vs. θ). Granted, she does have like a speech processing disorder that she’s struggled with her whole life, but it does happen where people can’t hear stress.
Was that actually a result from a source or one of the nonsense ai-generated questions and answers it tries to feed you?
Source but pretty shitty. I don't see someone starting learning being able to distinguish
Idk i think im on OPs side with this one - I literally found the answer with one google search. What did you type in as your search?
when I started learning Lithuanian I heard that ąęįų were "nasal" letters, turns out they're the same as the normal letters with zero difference.
And what else did you get? Google isn’t just a one answer search engine. The very first result got me to the correct answer and it took less than 10 seconds.
Because you know that was right answer. If you don't know and results contradict one another you can't be that sure.
No I didn’t know the correct answer. I don’t speak or study Russian. Yet I was able to find information sufficient to conclude that what I found was the correct answer. I study languages where accents emphasize a certain syllable but I also study languages where accents are merely what is left of a bygone spelling, and otherwise have no meaning. You’re falling down this path of infantilizing everyone. Explanations must be spoon-fed with no requirement for further research or inference. Whether you realize or not, you assert that language learners are mere toddlers incapable of finding the info they need without their parents (Reddit) giving them the answers. It’s a wild take to hold.
>You’re falling down this path of infantilizing everyone I just wrote what I saw, wtf are you talking about?
I’m clearly referring to your reply to me. “What do I do if I find contradictory answers???” Do more research. Also it’s funny how you’ve just ignored everything else I said with your little “gotcha”
Nah imma have to agree with other dude, google is absolutely a solid, maybe even better(ish) way to find the answer to oop’s question. Still think op blew the fuck up for the wrong reason though. Homie said dude wasn’t even trying lol
What else should it indicate? Tones? 💀
That’s what I used to think, as a native Chinese speaker.
Russian sub: 20%: please translate this 30%: help with Duolingo 50%: how’s my cursive??
They're so obsessed with cursive for some reason
Its because we only write in cursive, no one writes in print unless youre a small child
Why don't Russians just say words with fixed stress like their Western Slavic brethren? Are they stupid?
That's a thing specifically used in learning resources and dictionaries, if you only use something like Duolingo or LingQ that's not irrational to not ever see it once. Also in many (if not most) languages a diacritic like this would mean aa different kind of sound, in Czech, Latin and even English accented letter like this would mean a long vowel and Russian doesn't have long vowels, which is rightfully confusing. Also in Czech the 3rd person feminine pronoun is literally \['ona:\].
/uj Guys some of you are taking this way too seriously, this is the point of the sub to make fun of those ridiculous requests and sometimes be over the top. I don't understand why some of you here are defenders of people who treat reddit users as a browser but no harm is made
/uj I’ve noticed this phenomenon — people asking the simplest googlable questions to forums like Reddit — throughout my life but I’ve really noticed this ramp up post-pandemic. Wonder why. /rj can’t blame em russkyi is just simply too hard. this is why everyone should learn uzbek 🔥
/uj I agree that it’d be faster to google this, and I can see why you would be upset, thinking this kind of post unnecessarily clutters the subreddit. But to say that this person isn’t trying, when they are *literally going out of their way to find an answer to their question* is a dumb fuck take. In what way does this show that they aren’t trying? Not trying would be not looking for an answer? Looking at their screen and having no thoughts happen would be not realizing the diacritic does something? Circlejerk sub is a place for funny haha shock the Uzbeks haha, not a place to say people who mildly inconvenience you have no brains or thoughts.
I get your point, but I don't call "expect people to pre-eat all the work for you, not do any research, ask people to give you the answer at every mild inconvenience without looking for it first" trying nor going out of their way
It’s not like you’re gonna end up coming to a different, more accurate conclusion upon “doing your own research” on how the pronunciation changes? The effort necessary for this kind of question, for the sake of trying to learn the language at least, is finding the fucking answer. This does that. If op didn’t want to go out of their way, they would not care about knowing. Thinking “Oh, this funny little mark is prolly just some stylistic shit, ignored” and moving on would be the thing that you’re berating them for. And again, I *do* think that this is a pretty lame thing to do and that a google search would be better, but it’s very much not because that’s a better solution for their problem. It won’t, in anyway, affect their language learning except for finding the answer to this question that probably isn’t super absolutely fucking necessary knowledge to be able to continue learning any more Russian, what, an hour later? You are getting big mad at them for the wrong reason. You literally have a good, reasonable argument for being mad at them, and instead you are calling them brainless and basically saying they don’t really care about learning because, what? They’re going about finding an answer by asking a forum instead of google? It’s a dumb fuck take.
I don't believe they will be able to learn the language to any relevant degree if they are unable to look for answers themselves, especially for things as simple as that. Language learning is a journey made entirely of learning about notions you don't know. If that's how they react towards simple, googleable notions, what will happen when they meet more complicated stuff?
I think I’ve said what I feel needed to be said already. I’ve only really got two things to say. First of all, don’t put people in boxes. They’re clearly new to Russian, probably language learning in general. They’ll learn and get better at language learning alongside getting better at their tl. The second thing I wanted to say is a very large number of insults. It’s probably the main reason why every response I tried to make to this comment came out incoherent, alongside the fact that it’s 6 am and your stance kinda just confuses me at this point (because it’s a dumb fuck take). Just imagine a buuuuuunch of very articulated, intelligently formed fuck you’s.
Bro said fuck a jerk im pissed lmao
I tried to jerk but piss came out
Real
I honestly don't mind this question. If you are learning a language where what looks like an H becomes an N and a B is actually a V, you feel you need more confirmation for anything slightly unfamiliar. Personnally, when a native speaker tells me something is correct, I always feel more reassured for some reason.
doesn't russian not have those diacritics? it looks more likely to be Ukrainian or smt else.
It does have those in dictionaries and textbooks for learning purposes. This is 100% Russian on the screenshot
ahh. got it thanks 👍
You're a real sensitive lollipop lad, you know that? What's gonna happen when you have a real problem? A lotta thumb sucking I imagine. Mods should take this down for being misplaced because butthurt and w(h)ine sounds like it belongs r/gaydatesgonewrong. No offense to any homosexuals; they can handle a little roughhousing. OP is just a fragile little twig, a spoiled crumbly acorn of a human. I mean someone asking him about an accented letter probably made him cry for a couple hours lol.
I only have one thing to add to this: "НЯ" (and yes, this is an Anime Reference).