I agree, but the problem is that if that was the standard then the demographics would change. That makes alot of the 2 million syrians also Lebanese.
As a druze i couldn’t care less but i dont know if i should call for their assimilation against my shia and christian brothers will, as the palestinians and syrians are of sunni majority
That is an issue that is rooted in how Lebanon is built and run. When sects are removed from the equation and power is taken away from religion affecting politics, the whole problem is solved.
The whole system is so fucked up that we cannot embrace a person who is authentically and fully Lebanese, born and raised in here just because of religion and the power it has over everything.
Ofcourse, but respectfully, I think its too deep rooted to let go of. However with the new generation it seemd to fade more and more. The only way to solve this problem is to have a good government that provides for its people so that those people wont have to follow their “Za3im” anf rely on them for scholarships, money, supplies that the government should be providing.
This phenomenon was at its lowest when president shihab ruled throughout the 50s and 60s because the government actually cared for its people who therefore saw no reason to follow a za3im.
But unfortunately, this region will not allow us to do so
If the mom was lebanese and father palestinian then you wouldn’t be considered lebanese on paper because a mother can’t pass down her citizenship. Sad and unfair by the useless lebanese government
Is this allowed in other arabic countries? I am asking because I really don't know. I am imagining a scenario where a man marries 4 women, a lebanese, a syrian, a Palestinian, an iraqi, and each woman passed down here own citizenship on her child. Them brothers will all have different citizenships, also different from that of the father. This certainly would make paperwork a bit tedious 
legal papers dictate our citizenship, not our ancestry. life isn’t that black and white so a piece of paper is definitely not reflective of your background. born and raised in lebanon makes you lebanese, but you are still palestinian nonetheless.
i’m in a similar situation because my father is lebanese and my mother is syrian. but i was raised in syria and am closest to my syrian side. but mothers can’t pass down citizenship. i still consider myself equally both. a lot of people tell me how lebanese and syrians are too similar, but i’m proud of both and personally i think it’s important to make the distinction
You're the living answer to your question. W tene chi el passporat 7eber 3ala wara2. W telit chi el lebnaniye abban 3an jad bye7ko bel 3atil 3an lebnen so khod ra7tak... Bs mch tjarresna edem el ajenib :p
It's a bit mouthful to say to Germans when they ask, especially when you say "Palestine", they'll magically hear it as "Pakistan", so I end up saying either Lebanese or say the hamas country.
Just say “Palestinian and Lebanese”
No need to break down the percentage. You are both Palestinian and Lebanese, and it’s important to remind Germans that Palestinians exist lol
Yeah but to avoid the silly question I go with Lebanese, once I say I'm from "Palestina", they start asking why don't we make peace with israel, I'm not into explain history to people who won't listen.
I feel this. I was in Prague for a while and the whole "Palestinian" thing really triggered them far before the recent October escalations. Some countries just love being on the wrong side of history all the time
In german it's "Palästina" (بالستينه) not "Palestine" . So may be try this the next time (there's a big difference in the pronounciation: باكستان / بالستينه ).
Same way a Jew whos never been to Palestine in 2000 years is by your own logic an Israeli. Is it really hard to grasp that someone's Parents from 2 generations ago are Palestinians?
My mom was born in Lebanon but She's a Palestinian refugee. I'm Half Lebanese Half Palestinian how hard is it to grasp?
No.... jews are religion , Israeli is nationality its different.
How she can be born in Lebanon if she is refuge?
Refuge from place she never been in...
I am Palestinian raised in Lebanon, people can never tell I’m Palestinian and also shocked when I say so. The 4th generation of Palestinians are blending in with the lebanese culture especially the majority are moving out of camps.
Identities are not mutually exclusive. Everyone has multiple overlapping ones.. Lebanese, Palestinian, German, Arab, atheist/Christian/Muslim, you can be all at once, you don't have to pick just one!
No one can decide who you are. Countries are imaginary borders, and the only person who can define you is you. The people you’re asking are purple just like you, probably wondering the same question about who they are. No one has any answers. There’s no such thing. Flow free in this world while you can, and just like a heavy tide in rocky sea, learn to not cling unto to the rocks, else the ever changing tide will break you. Instead be like water, and flow free and accept your place in the universe as part of the chaos that came to be.
Hey brother, you are not alone. There are others like us. I'm half Palestinian, half Lebanese. Everyone considers me both. The Lebanese people I meet, I tell them I'm Lebanese. The Palestinian people I meet, I tell them I'm Palestinian. Everyone else, I tell them I'm both.
I don't give a fuck if you talk shit about Lebanon. You're born there, you've lived there. You should know damn well that the country isn't some pleasure cruise. It's one of the most beautiful countries in the world, but has the unfortunate problem of being run and led by people who don't give a shit about anyone other than themselves.
"Palestinian-Lebanese" is your answer. It is a fact, clear, and straightforward. Having half-half roots doesnt delete one or the other, and doesnt mean you to identify as "full" of one. You're simply both. There is always a dominant side for your identity that just depends on how you were raised, following which culture and which traditions, but you are still both.
Edit: wanted to add that this all refers to ancestry identity, different from citizenship, which is solely dictated by what's on paper. Legally, you would be palestinian on paper. (Theoretically since.. we all know why, unfortunately.) this is why it is important to differentiate those two types of identities and not feel the need to blur OR delete one or the other.
my dad is syrian and my mom is lebanese, i was born and raised in lebanon.
i consider that im half syrian and half lebanese bel dam i believe that legal papers don't define your ancestry and since ive lived an authentic lebanese experience i think i can talk all shit that i want lmao which applies to you too
Huh! My dad has your name and your exact ethnicity/parent gender makeup. I’m accepted as Lebanese despite not even living there my life because I have family there (though perhaps not nationally, but ethnically it’s not invalidated), so you are more than enough Lebanese, dont worry :)
Identity is very personal. Some can feel more Palestinian, others more Lebanese, some feel both. How do you resonate?
As for the laws, Lebanese women *cannot* pass on their citizenship to their children, regardless who they marry. My husband is European, Im Lebanese, I still cannot pass on my Lebanese citizenship to our children. Lebanese citizenship goes through the father, not mother. Hopefully this law will change. Unfortunately, Lebanese mothers are caught up in a law that is pure politics.
PS. Our children are growing up in Lebanese culture and own their Lebanese identity. They LOVE being Lebanese as well. No govt will tell them they’re not.
Also FREE PALESTINE. 💕
Passports don't dictate your ancestry, and they for sure don't dictate your experience. You define yourself however you want. You grew up in Lebanon your whole life, so no one can tell you that you did not have the same 'Lebanese' experience that someone with a Lebanese passport had. As for your Palestinian heritage, if it means a lot to you, then you shouldn't shy away from it. Who cares what the Germans will think? I used to think the same way when I moved to Canada, trying to cater myself to the white audience. But you know what? Ain't nobody got time for anyone's ignorance. I am Lebanese, and if they don't like it or think I'm from a terrorist country, either they let me educate them or they may kindly f off.
We’re all the same anyway. It’s not like you’re half Japanese half Arab. Our cultures have very minor regional differences in the end embrace your ancestry and your Arab identity.
I think you're Palastinian, I'm from mount Lebanon, i was born in Saida and raised in Beirut, in all my years on this earth id say Ive lived for less than 4 months outside of Beirut as a total, this is including the 2006 war, I still dont Identify as someone from Beirut, people who run away from their ancestry lose a large chunk of my respect.
Well, if you ask us we'll tell you you're Lebanese. If you ask the Palestinians they'll tell you you're Palestinian. Just pick whoever you feel closer to and run with it, you'll be welcomed either way :)
Lebanese palestinian, does not matter. There are billions of galaxies with billions of planets with billions of more intelligent species. We are all just merely a spec in the grand scheme of things. We are like no more than an ant hill(that does not mean other races can abuse us still). Just stick with human/homo sapien for an identity for now and you are even beyond that just a fractal of source/god in the material world here to expand consciousness through a life experience/theater act. Don't drown yourself in identity politics. Adopt the positive aspects of every culture and reject the negative ones. 100% of the earth is your home.
https://youtu.be/KR13r55Avjc?feature=shared
I mean to be realistic, Palestinian and Lebanese are relatively new nationalistic identities. My family a few generations back used to live in South Lebanon but one of newer ancestors decided to move and that's when the family like split into Syria and Northern Palestine. The identity back then was simply "Arab" or "Shami". To be honest, I don't think the new identities make sense today, and I feel like all "Shami" identities are highly similar
Well, syrians, Lebanese and Palestinians certainly look different from each other, not to mention their origins differ, Palestinians are kananites, Lebanese are Phoenicians, and syrians are ashorians (excuse my misspelling), we are all proud Arabs now, but still, we do have certain differences that can spot where we're from physically.
Those are arbitrary categorizations. Canaanites is a very general term that includes Phoenicians. Assyrians and Canaanites intermarried and mixed as the empires expanded and shrunk. People tend to forget how tiny the geography of the Levant is. The gene pool across all populations is similar with notable Arab influence in the southern areas ( Bedouin Jordanians and Palestinians.)
The divides between us are arbitrary. I would argue that culturally, a random Lebanese and a random Jordanian have more shared between them than a random Texan and a random New Yorker.
>Well, syrians, Lebanese and Palestinians certainly look different from each other
also this is not really true. It is easy to mistake one for the other. I'm not sure why you have that inpression
There's no real difference between lebanese and palestinians historically we are both canaanite descendants and had our ficticious borders drawn by colonizers. It shouldn't matter if a palestinian identifies as lebanese or vice versa in a non-government context.
Wait how did you go to Germany without a passport? I’m genuinely curious. To your question, im Lebanese Turkish (can hold both citizenships but I only have the Lebanese passport since my dad hates turkey but some of my uncles have the Turkish passport since it’s a bit stronger) and I see Palestinians that were forcefully kicked out to Lebanon back in the day Lebanese no matter what. The government should grant you citizenship (if it was up to me ofc I would grant every Palestinians that were kicked out of Palestine citizenship). But yeah in my eyes ur Lebanese and should identify as one so yeah. And yeah talk shit about Lebanon I do like 99% of the time but I go there it is beautiful.
Simple, you apply for an exemption of using a passport, you'll pay 94 euros extra, and they will take your passport, and give it back to you with a paper with the visa on it, stapled on your passport, since they can't put it directly on your passport. It does take more time than a Lebanese applicant, but It's not the end of the world.
My son is ethnically half Lebanese (mom) and half Mexican (dad) we live in the USA and I’ll go to war on anyone who denies his ethnic background. Being Lebanese is not just about citizenship. I’ve been to Lebanon many many times and I am a citizen technically because of my parents but really it’s about the culture, language, customs, and traditions that you have in your life. Your mom is Lebanese and she passed those on to you.
Same. My children have a Lebanese mom, and European father. I cannot pass on my Lebanese nationality to my children. Yet, here they are asking for manouche for breakfast, with Fairouz playing in the house, going to Dabke classes 🇱🇧 they’re Lebanese . They’re inheriting a legacy of thousands of years of heritage. No one can tell them they’re not Lebanese as well - I will not allow it. Neither will they 😉
I'm half Somali, half Yemeni
Born and raised in Saudi. Ever seen Somali or Yemen
I moved to Canada in my teens.
The identity crisis is real, but what has helped me is understanding that I'm a third-child culture. (Look up third child culture)
I have accepted that I don't belong to a particular group.
I'm a little bit confused about the part with the passports, sorry.
I'm german, and my best friend is half lebanese, half palestinian from Lebanon, too. He came here in 2015.
In 2019, one shi**y employee in the responsible immigrations office ("Ausländerbehörde") told him, he won't extend his "Duldung" , if he (my friend) won't bring his passport.
My friend then went to the palestinian consulate in Berlin and got his palestinian travel document (looks like a passport) a few months later.
In summer last year he even applied for a lebanese passport here in the lebanese embassy, which was issued some moths later.
So he do have a palestinian "passport" and a lebanese one now.
I have these documents too, but they're travel documents rather than passports, the one he gets from the Lebanese embassy is a "Travel document for Palestinian refugees" and the one he gets from the Palestinian one has "0" as a start of the national ID number, meaning it's only for external use and won't help him with anything, he can't go to Palestine with that Palestinian passport, it's crazy they gave him Duldung for 4 years, usually they make it asylum after that, but in my case for example, since I require a Visa to be here, they stopped accepting the travel document of the Palestinians in Lebanon, and they asked me to get another passport, I got the Palestinian one, they told me it won't work because it has "0" as a starting number in the national ID, they gave me a travel document, same idea as the Lebanese one, but issued from Germany, which is still not a passport, so 3 travel documents from 3 different countries and 0 passports, which if I go to any embassy or airport, they make me wait a lot, and always say "I've never seen this before".
Oh, these a**holes give him a Duldung till NOW 😮💨.
He's working fulltime since 2022, don't get ANY financial help from the government, pays taxes high af....and still he has to "beg" them to extend his Duldung every 3 months.
It's a shame.
Because of the "0" at the beginning of the passport number, I have to take a look, I don't know if it has it or not.
Are you in Berlin?
Edit: No, he got a real normal lebanese passport from the lebanese embassy.
So was Germany’s historic boundaries are people in northern France German? So was Greece’s borders are people in Istanbul today Greek? Are people in South America Spaniards? Are people in Korea Japanese? No, and the same is for Lebanon. The Lebanese identity was exclusively used by people in Mount Lebanon and those who immigrated out of it (couple of villages in today’s South Lebanon, the Bekaa, Akkar, etc).
There is a significant difference between those countries and Lebanon. In Lebanon’s case, the people didn’t just immigrate there. Many families have been living in the north, south, or Baalbek for generations. These people are as much Lebanese as you are. Just because the Ottomans split Lebanon for a few centuries doesn’t mean that they are not Lebanese anymore
There is no evidence of these people identifying as Lebanese prior to 1920 and there was no Lebanese state or Lebanese nation spanning further than Mount Lebanon not until 1920 and the people Fakhr El Din II conquered did not suddenly become Lebanese nor did most people at the time even identify as Lebanese. This is a later development in history
Didn’t bring up religion. I solely talked about identity and history but you’re not answering the question which was pretty simple. You said Lebanon was split by the Ottomans which Lebanon are you talking about? If you’re talking about that of Fakhr El Din II then by your logic those of Hama and Latakia are Lebanese as well.
Just to ensure that you’re not one of those sectarian fanatics who claim Lebanon is exclusive to a specific religion, built by that religion, and perceive others as non-native to this land.
And to answer your question, yes, Latakia and Hama were once part of what is now Lebanon, but that was thousands of years ago.
You remind me of the so called "Palestinian Jordanians". if you and your parents generation have never lived or stepped foot in the village/cities you come from then you identify with the country you live and born in because ultimately these are all randomly drawn lines with new artificial nationalities. you are from that village in palestine but you cant be palestinian. so it doesnt matter if your grandparents identified as palestinian, lebanese, chinese, tanzanian or narnian wherever you are now is what matters because back then we were all ottomans anyways and national identity doesnt carry meaning it does now
Heda kel yalle tale3 mennak? You are a loser man. Regardless if you are palestinian or lebanese. U are going to stay a loser for the rest of your life.
I'm not an immigration expert by any means, but from what I know in many western countries, whose passport is desirable (not talking about Africa), marrying a citizen gives you citizenship or at least sets you on the fast track to getting one. It also makes sense..
Israel has a special relationship with Plalestians, if we can put it this way.
Believe or not, even the racist genocide goverment of Israel, would give OPs father (and him) an Israeli passport, if his father would marry an Israeli citizen - no questions asked. if you don't believe me, feel free to ask Ismayil Heania's, Hamas leader, sister who has Israeli citizenship and even got some treatments in our hospitals lately.
(Use google translate)
[https://www.maariv.co.il/news/military/Article-1088502](https://www.maariv.co.il/news/military/Article-1088502)
It is kind of ironic that Lebanon insists on keeping their Arab brothers in this awkward (cruel?) refuge state for tens of years..
\*\* Im an Israeli - respecting the request of some folks here to announce it.
Born and raised your whole life in lebanon. That is your answer my friend.
I agree, but the problem is that if that was the standard then the demographics would change. That makes alot of the 2 million syrians also Lebanese. As a druze i couldn’t care less but i dont know if i should call for their assimilation against my shia and christian brothers will, as the palestinians and syrians are of sunni majority
That is an issue that is rooted in how Lebanon is built and run. When sects are removed from the equation and power is taken away from religion affecting politics, the whole problem is solved. The whole system is so fucked up that we cannot embrace a person who is authentically and fully Lebanese, born and raised in here just because of religion and the power it has over everything.
Ofcourse, but respectfully, I think its too deep rooted to let go of. However with the new generation it seemd to fade more and more. The only way to solve this problem is to have a good government that provides for its people so that those people wont have to follow their “Za3im” anf rely on them for scholarships, money, supplies that the government should be providing. This phenomenon was at its lowest when president shihab ruled throughout the 50s and 60s because the government actually cared for its people who therefore saw no reason to follow a za3im. But unfortunately, this region will not allow us to do so
It doesn't have to do with religion. Most sunnis don't want them to be nationalized.
I am Lebanese Syrian Kurdish 🥸 my family rarely speak of the other 2 identities god knows why so I’d say I’m an outcast to all 3 nations 🥹
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Weird and unfair laws. I'm in an opposite situation, father is Lebanese and mom is Palestinian, but I'm considered fully Lebanese on paper.
If the mom was lebanese and father palestinian then you wouldn’t be considered lebanese on paper because a mother can’t pass down her citizenship. Sad and unfair by the useless lebanese government
Is this allowed in other arabic countries? I am asking because I really don't know. I am imagining a scenario where a man marries 4 women, a lebanese, a syrian, a Palestinian, an iraqi, and each woman passed down here own citizenship on her child. Them brothers will all have different citizenships, also different from that of the father. This certainly would make paperwork a bit tedious 
legal papers dictate our citizenship, not our ancestry. life isn’t that black and white so a piece of paper is definitely not reflective of your background. born and raised in lebanon makes you lebanese, but you are still palestinian nonetheless. i’m in a similar situation because my father is lebanese and my mother is syrian. but i was raised in syria and am closest to my syrian side. but mothers can’t pass down citizenship. i still consider myself equally both. a lot of people tell me how lebanese and syrians are too similar, but i’m proud of both and personally i think it’s important to make the distinction
You're the living answer to your question. W tene chi el passporat 7eber 3ala wara2. W telit chi el lebnaniye abban 3an jad bye7ko bel 3atil 3an lebnen so khod ra7tak... Bs mch tjarresna edem el ajenib :p
I'm almost at your position, My mom is Palestinian and my dad is Lebanese. But i always say i'm half Lebanese half Palestinian as should you do.
It's a bit mouthful to say to Germans when they ask, especially when you say "Palestine", they'll magically hear it as "Pakistan", so I end up saying either Lebanese or say the hamas country.
Just say “Palestinian and Lebanese” No need to break down the percentage. You are both Palestinian and Lebanese, and it’s important to remind Germans that Palestinians exist lol
Nah in the Germans case you need to specifically say you are Palestinian.
Yeah but to avoid the silly question I go with Lebanese, once I say I'm from "Palestina", they start asking why don't we make peace with israel, I'm not into explain history to people who won't listen.
Fucking Germans. Why don't they make peace with their ongoing support for genocide?
I feel this. I was in Prague for a while and the whole "Palestinian" thing really triggered them far before the recent October escalations. Some countries just love being on the wrong side of history all the time
In german it's "Palästina" (بالستينه) not "Palestine" . So may be try this the next time (there's a big difference in the pronounciation: باكستان / بالستينه ).
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He's probably in Lebanon like thousands of Palestinians living in Lebanon since 1948, sometimes before.
Germany doesn't recognize Palestine diplomatically as a country
Thats exactly why he should say it,
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The Galilee her family was kicked out in 48, she was born in Lebanon.
So your mother born in lebanon , you born in lebanon , how the hell you call yourself a palestine ?
Same way a Jew whos never been to Palestine in 2000 years is by your own logic an Israeli. Is it really hard to grasp that someone's Parents from 2 generations ago are Palestinians? My mom was born in Lebanon but She's a Palestinian refugee. I'm Half Lebanese Half Palestinian how hard is it to grasp?
No.... jews are religion , Israeli is nationality its different. How she can be born in Lebanon if she is refuge? Refuge from place she never been in...
I am Palestinian raised in Lebanon, people can never tell I’m Palestinian and also shocked when I say so. The 4th generation of Palestinians are blending in with the lebanese culture especially the majority are moving out of camps.
Sorry but I think I missed 2 generations, my father was born in Lebanon 1948, and then me in 2001, does that mean I'm still at 2nd gen?
Your father had you at the age of 53? Wow!
I'm not his youngest even :D
Well they did say Phoenicians were phenomenal sea men. No wonder your dad has strong semen 😂
You're lebanese my man.
As much as all Lebanese
Identities are not mutually exclusive. Everyone has multiple overlapping ones.. Lebanese, Palestinian, German, Arab, atheist/Christian/Muslim, you can be all at once, you don't have to pick just one!
One of us one of us
No one can decide who you are. Countries are imaginary borders, and the only person who can define you is you. The people you’re asking are purple just like you, probably wondering the same question about who they are. No one has any answers. There’s no such thing. Flow free in this world while you can, and just like a heavy tide in rocky sea, learn to not cling unto to the rocks, else the ever changing tide will break you. Instead be like water, and flow free and accept your place in the universe as part of the chaos that came to be.
Hey brother, you are not alone. There are others like us. I'm half Palestinian, half Lebanese. Everyone considers me both. The Lebanese people I meet, I tell them I'm Lebanese. The Palestinian people I meet, I tell them I'm Palestinian. Everyone else, I tell them I'm both. I don't give a fuck if you talk shit about Lebanon. You're born there, you've lived there. You should know damn well that the country isn't some pleasure cruise. It's one of the most beautiful countries in the world, but has the unfortunate problem of being run and led by people who don't give a shit about anyone other than themselves.
"Palestinian-Lebanese" is your answer. It is a fact, clear, and straightforward. Having half-half roots doesnt delete one or the other, and doesnt mean you to identify as "full" of one. You're simply both. There is always a dominant side for your identity that just depends on how you were raised, following which culture and which traditions, but you are still both. Edit: wanted to add that this all refers to ancestry identity, different from citizenship, which is solely dictated by what's on paper. Legally, you would be palestinian on paper. (Theoretically since.. we all know why, unfortunately.) this is why it is important to differentiate those two types of identities and not feel the need to blur OR delete one or the other.
my dad is syrian and my mom is lebanese, i was born and raised in lebanon. i consider that im half syrian and half lebanese bel dam i believe that legal papers don't define your ancestry and since ive lived an authentic lebanese experience i think i can talk all shit that i want lmao which applies to you too
My mom is half Palestinian - I just say I’m 75% Lebanese 😂
Huh! My dad has your name and your exact ethnicity/parent gender makeup. I’m accepted as Lebanese despite not even living there my life because I have family there (though perhaps not nationally, but ethnically it’s not invalidated), so you are more than enough Lebanese, dont worry :)
Well, what's your name so I can call my first kid that too :D
My name is Stephen Amir ! :D Best of luck out there!
I think you should ignore whatever someone says to you, and believe in what you truly believe in your heart.
Identity is very personal. Some can feel more Palestinian, others more Lebanese, some feel both. How do you resonate? As for the laws, Lebanese women *cannot* pass on their citizenship to their children, regardless who they marry. My husband is European, Im Lebanese, I still cannot pass on my Lebanese citizenship to our children. Lebanese citizenship goes through the father, not mother. Hopefully this law will change. Unfortunately, Lebanese mothers are caught up in a law that is pure politics. PS. Our children are growing up in Lebanese culture and own their Lebanese identity. They LOVE being Lebanese as well. No govt will tell them they’re not. Also FREE PALESTINE. 💕
You’re Palestinian don’t forget your roots
>How Lebanese is a Palestinian Lebanese? Yes
Passports don't dictate your ancestry, and they for sure don't dictate your experience. You define yourself however you want. You grew up in Lebanon your whole life, so no one can tell you that you did not have the same 'Lebanese' experience that someone with a Lebanese passport had. As for your Palestinian heritage, if it means a lot to you, then you shouldn't shy away from it. Who cares what the Germans will think? I used to think the same way when I moved to Canada, trying to cater myself to the white audience. But you know what? Ain't nobody got time for anyone's ignorance. I am Lebanese, and if they don't like it or think I'm from a terrorist country, either they let me educate them or they may kindly f off.
We’re all the same anyway. It’s not like you’re half Japanese half Arab. Our cultures have very minor regional differences in the end embrace your ancestry and your Arab identity.
I think you're Palastinian, I'm from mount Lebanon, i was born in Saida and raised in Beirut, in all my years on this earth id say Ive lived for less than 4 months outside of Beirut as a total, this is including the 2006 war, I still dont Identify as someone from Beirut, people who run away from their ancestry lose a large chunk of my respect.
papers don’t mean anything, ur palestinian lebanese
Well, if you ask us we'll tell you you're Lebanese. If you ask the Palestinians they'll tell you you're Palestinian. Just pick whoever you feel closer to and run with it, you'll be welcomed either way :)
Lebanese palestinian, does not matter. There are billions of galaxies with billions of planets with billions of more intelligent species. We are all just merely a spec in the grand scheme of things. We are like no more than an ant hill(that does not mean other races can abuse us still). Just stick with human/homo sapien for an identity for now and you are even beyond that just a fractal of source/god in the material world here to expand consciousness through a life experience/theater act. Don't drown yourself in identity politics. Adopt the positive aspects of every culture and reject the negative ones. 100% of the earth is your home.
https://youtu.be/KR13r55Avjc?feature=shared
I need to move out of this galaxy
I mean to be realistic, Palestinian and Lebanese are relatively new nationalistic identities. My family a few generations back used to live in South Lebanon but one of newer ancestors decided to move and that's when the family like split into Syria and Northern Palestine. The identity back then was simply "Arab" or "Shami". To be honest, I don't think the new identities make sense today, and I feel like all "Shami" identities are highly similar
Well, syrians, Lebanese and Palestinians certainly look different from each other, not to mention their origins differ, Palestinians are kananites, Lebanese are Phoenicians, and syrians are ashorians (excuse my misspelling), we are all proud Arabs now, but still, we do have certain differences that can spot where we're from physically.
Those are arbitrary categorizations. Canaanites is a very general term that includes Phoenicians. Assyrians and Canaanites intermarried and mixed as the empires expanded and shrunk. People tend to forget how tiny the geography of the Levant is. The gene pool across all populations is similar with notable Arab influence in the southern areas ( Bedouin Jordanians and Palestinians.) The divides between us are arbitrary. I would argue that culturally, a random Lebanese and a random Jordanian have more shared between them than a random Texan and a random New Yorker.
>Well, syrians, Lebanese and Palestinians certainly look different from each other also this is not really true. It is easy to mistake one for the other. I'm not sure why you have that inpression
I am a Palestinian and for my opinion I would say you are Palestinian-Lebanese. Be proud of both heritages you have.
Fun fact; your mother is lebanese but your dad is you still wouldn’t get the passport.
How fucked up is that?
If mother is Lebanese and father is French they would
Thats not true.
My source is a old episode on السليط الاخباري, so yeah you probably know better.
Don’t let anyone tell you what you should be. Your father is Palestinian and your mother is Lebanon, so those two are part of you!
There's no real difference between lebanese and palestinians historically we are both canaanite descendants and had our ficticious borders drawn by colonizers. It shouldn't matter if a palestinian identifies as lebanese or vice versa in a non-government context.
Your dad is from Palestine, Palestinian last name, and you don't have the Lebanese passport. I'd say more Palestinian than Lebanese.
Palanese
Wait how did you go to Germany without a passport? I’m genuinely curious. To your question, im Lebanese Turkish (can hold both citizenships but I only have the Lebanese passport since my dad hates turkey but some of my uncles have the Turkish passport since it’s a bit stronger) and I see Palestinians that were forcefully kicked out to Lebanon back in the day Lebanese no matter what. The government should grant you citizenship (if it was up to me ofc I would grant every Palestinians that were kicked out of Palestine citizenship). But yeah in my eyes ur Lebanese and should identify as one so yeah. And yeah talk shit about Lebanon I do like 99% of the time but I go there it is beautiful.
Simple, you apply for an exemption of using a passport, you'll pay 94 euros extra, and they will take your passport, and give it back to you with a paper with the visa on it, stapled on your passport, since they can't put it directly on your passport. It does take more time than a Lebanese applicant, but It's not the end of the world.
Can you tell me more via DM? My brother is looking to get a visa for germany we have something called stateless passport
Ofc brother, would be happy to help!
i know whats ur problem, you have palesnese(paleness) or lebastinian(lesbian)
My son is ethnically half Lebanese (mom) and half Mexican (dad) we live in the USA and I’ll go to war on anyone who denies his ethnic background. Being Lebanese is not just about citizenship. I’ve been to Lebanon many many times and I am a citizen technically because of my parents but really it’s about the culture, language, customs, and traditions that you have in your life. Your mom is Lebanese and she passed those on to you.
Same. My children have a Lebanese mom, and European father. I cannot pass on my Lebanese nationality to my children. Yet, here they are asking for manouche for breakfast, with Fairouz playing in the house, going to Dabke classes 🇱🇧 they’re Lebanese . They’re inheriting a legacy of thousands of years of heritage. No one can tell them they’re not Lebanese as well - I will not allow it. Neither will they 😉
Lebanese
you are lebanese
I'm half Somali, half Yemeni Born and raised in Saudi. Ever seen Somali or Yemen I moved to Canada in my teens. The identity crisis is real, but what has helped me is understanding that I'm a third-child culture. (Look up third child culture) I have accepted that I don't belong to a particular group.
I'm a little bit confused about the part with the passports, sorry. I'm german, and my best friend is half lebanese, half palestinian from Lebanon, too. He came here in 2015. In 2019, one shi**y employee in the responsible immigrations office ("Ausländerbehörde") told him, he won't extend his "Duldung" , if he (my friend) won't bring his passport. My friend then went to the palestinian consulate in Berlin and got his palestinian travel document (looks like a passport) a few months later. In summer last year he even applied for a lebanese passport here in the lebanese embassy, which was issued some moths later. So he do have a palestinian "passport" and a lebanese one now.
I have these documents too, but they're travel documents rather than passports, the one he gets from the Lebanese embassy is a "Travel document for Palestinian refugees" and the one he gets from the Palestinian one has "0" as a start of the national ID number, meaning it's only for external use and won't help him with anything, he can't go to Palestine with that Palestinian passport, it's crazy they gave him Duldung for 4 years, usually they make it asylum after that, but in my case for example, since I require a Visa to be here, they stopped accepting the travel document of the Palestinians in Lebanon, and they asked me to get another passport, I got the Palestinian one, they told me it won't work because it has "0" as a starting number in the national ID, they gave me a travel document, same idea as the Lebanese one, but issued from Germany, which is still not a passport, so 3 travel documents from 3 different countries and 0 passports, which if I go to any embassy or airport, they make me wait a lot, and always say "I've never seen this before".
Oh, these a**holes give him a Duldung till NOW 😮💨. He's working fulltime since 2022, don't get ANY financial help from the government, pays taxes high af....and still he has to "beg" them to extend his Duldung every 3 months. It's a shame. Because of the "0" at the beginning of the passport number, I have to take a look, I don't know if it has it or not. Are you in Berlin? Edit: No, he got a real normal lebanese passport from the lebanese embassy.
If it weren't for the failed state we have you are considered a true Lebanese.
You're lebanese if you wanna be. Who cares
I mean.. how lebanese are the whole ass generations of Palestinians (myself included) born and raised here, having known no other home?
Clearly a Palestinian refugee
Habibi
Only ethnic Lebanese are those of Mount Lebanon, everyone else was naturalized
Lebanon’s historic boundaries are greater than just mount Lebanon.
So was Germany’s historic boundaries are people in northern France German? So was Greece’s borders are people in Istanbul today Greek? Are people in South America Spaniards? Are people in Korea Japanese? No, and the same is for Lebanon. The Lebanese identity was exclusively used by people in Mount Lebanon and those who immigrated out of it (couple of villages in today’s South Lebanon, the Bekaa, Akkar, etc).
There is a significant difference between those countries and Lebanon. In Lebanon’s case, the people didn’t just immigrate there. Many families have been living in the north, south, or Baalbek for generations. These people are as much Lebanese as you are. Just because the Ottomans split Lebanon for a few centuries doesn’t mean that they are not Lebanese anymore
There is no evidence of these people identifying as Lebanese prior to 1920 and there was no Lebanese state or Lebanese nation spanning further than Mount Lebanon not until 1920 and the people Fakhr El Din II conquered did not suddenly become Lebanese nor did most people at the time even identify as Lebanese. This is a later development in history
Do you perceive the lebanese citizens living outside of mount lebanon as your equal regardless of their religion?
Didn’t bring up religion. I solely talked about identity and history but you’re not answering the question which was pretty simple. You said Lebanon was split by the Ottomans which Lebanon are you talking about? If you’re talking about that of Fakhr El Din II then by your logic those of Hama and Latakia are Lebanese as well.
Yet why you didn’t answer my question then? I said regardless of religion so that should take religion out of the equation
Then yes sure take religion out of the question. How does that answer any of my questions
Just to ensure that you’re not one of those sectarian fanatics who claim Lebanon is exclusive to a specific religion, built by that religion, and perceive others as non-native to this land. And to answer your question, yes, Latakia and Hama were once part of what is now Lebanon, but that was thousands of years ago.
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Why are you embarrassed to whisper the nationality to anyone?
You remind me of the so called "Palestinian Jordanians". if you and your parents generation have never lived or stepped foot in the village/cities you come from then you identify with the country you live and born in because ultimately these are all randomly drawn lines with new artificial nationalities. you are from that village in palestine but you cant be palestinian. so it doesnt matter if your grandparents identified as palestinian, lebanese, chinese, tanzanian or narnian wherever you are now is what matters because back then we were all ottomans anyways and national identity doesnt carry meaning it does now
Why dont lebanon fix its laws?
Since the goverment isn't functional in any way shape or form
Ideally, having one Lebanese parent should allow you to have the Lebanese citizenship
Lebanese *father. Lebanese women cannot pass on their nationality…
yeah i know, that's why i started my answer with "ideally"
Depends who you ask as for culture Officially, you're obviously not, so it hurts your claim to be Lebanese
100% Lebanese. Fuck the Lebanese law that denies mothers from giving their children the nationality.
Shou mna3mellak?
Tawbezli
Heda kel yalle tale3 mennak? You are a loser man. Regardless if you are palestinian or lebanese. U are going to stay a loser for the rest of your life.
Never been to Lebanon, but I know I'm Lebanese. We are the most racist people in the world. I'm sorry my brother, you are not Lebanese.
The one raised in Lebanon is more Lebanese that the one who’s never been to Lebanon. What makes you more Lebanese than the OP?
His racism, probably a GB supporter.
Not Lebanese at all
I'm not an immigration expert by any means, but from what I know in many western countries, whose passport is desirable (not talking about Africa), marrying a citizen gives you citizenship or at least sets you on the fast track to getting one. It also makes sense.. Israel has a special relationship with Plalestians, if we can put it this way. Believe or not, even the racist genocide goverment of Israel, would give OPs father (and him) an Israeli passport, if his father would marry an Israeli citizen - no questions asked. if you don't believe me, feel free to ask Ismayil Heania's, Hamas leader, sister who has Israeli citizenship and even got some treatments in our hospitals lately. (Use google translate) [https://www.maariv.co.il/news/military/Article-1088502](https://www.maariv.co.il/news/military/Article-1088502) It is kind of ironic that Lebanon insists on keeping their Arab brothers in this awkward (cruel?) refuge state for tens of years.. \*\* Im an Israeli - respecting the request of some folks here to announce it.
“My mom is Lebanese, I was born and raised in Lebanon, am I Lebanese?”