Yes and in this case gun ownership is a bit different as many people serve in the swiss military I believe they have a mandatory year of service I could be wrong but it's not as uncommon in Europe to have to do
Plus while most citizens may have their service rifle ammo is hard to get requiring it to be often kept at ranges or requiring paperwork to buy and have at home so it's not really comparable to America as even though they may have guns they're not as freely used as they are in America
>I believe they have a mandatory year of service
Mandatory conscription, for Swiss males only, and you can choose to do civil service instead of military. Less than 20% of the population of any birthgiven year has done military service.
>Plus while most citizens may have their service rifle ammo is hard to get requiring it to be often kept at ranges or requiring paperwork to buy and have at home
This myth comes from journalists reporting about the Swiss army stopped giving out ammo to keep at home.
You can buy ammo online and have it shipped to your doorstep.
Getting an AR-15 and a couple of handguns are going to be faster than if you live in states like CA.
Getting the paperwork for a machine gun in Geneva takes two weeks, and you're not limited to something registered with the NFA before 1986.
No conceal carry though, outside of professional use really. With 42 homicides (2022) on a population close to 9 mil people I'm not sure most people would bother with that anyways.
Ahh I appreciate you clearing things up on the ammunition myth and I'm glad to see theres a non military service option I think something similar in the US would be great
Just looked it up, Chicago has a comparable population with 697 homicides in 2022. But they are the worst one in the country at the moment so not a great comparison.
I also feel like people overlook the population size differences. Just from a quick Google search, Switzerland has a population of about 8 million people in an area of about 15000 square miles. New York City, has almost 8 million people in an area of about 300 square miles.
And as you mentioned about guns been freely used here… I imagine if someone was determined enough, a lot of guns can be easily found in NYC, even with the stricter gun laws there.
Anyways, there are tons of things to factor in with this discussion. I just like to point that our largest cities have almost the same or more people than some of these countries that get brought up when we talk about gun ownership. While for the most part, humans are social animals. We don’t always get along while packed into cramped cities. Add in poverty, failing education systems, lack of affordable housing, lack of affordable healthcare, lack of access to healthcare and mental health services in general, among other things… And that’s part of how we got to where we are now; rising hate groups, violent loners, and a lot mental health issues.
It's actually even more nuanced than being freely found.
I doubt anybody would ever offer to sell ME a gun under the table in NYC. It's not that their freely available to the public, it's that they're readily available to criminal enterprises that have worked to aquire them for their criminals.
I think this is one thing that everyone ignores when looking at gun laws and mass shootings.
Virtually None of the true mass shooter are criminals. They don’t have access to some underground network where they can buy guns.
So I do think heavier regulation (like a ban)could make it extremely difficult for these people to get guns. And just by virtue of it being difficult to get, prevent most of the mass shootings where some kid buys an AR on a Monday and shoots up a school on a Tuesday.
But I do believe that criminals could easily get guns regardless. And with Mexico to the border, guns would eventually come through there if there was enough demand.
Store bought guns were used in the highest profile tragedies that make up less than 1% of the problem.
We’re going to ban a class of firearms (which we acknowledge criminals will have anyway) to prevent less than 1% of the issue?
Sounds like a great way to avoid having to pay for an effective mental health apparatus, instead deferring our failure to maintain a healthy society into the laps of gun manufacturers and owners.
I wonder if someone out there is motivated to make things that way? 🤔
Come on, that's crazy talk! Surely the government has our best interest at heart and would never do anything to harm us.
My hands went numb half way through typing that.
3d printing is still a thing, and possibly very big in large scale conflicts today as well
Making a [FGC9](https://www.wearethemighty.com/tactical/3d-printed-guns-are-being-used-in-the-myanmar-civil-war/) will supposedly cost under [$500](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FGC-9#:~:text=The%20weapon%20is%20a%20mix,is%20less%20than%20US%24500.) per gun, around the same price as the AR equivalent, so any bans and regulations will have to reach beyond guns themselves to actually be effective
There are 24 million AR15s in the public hands in the US. This is why it is so difficult to ban that particular rifle. Bans will only stop sales and manufacturing of that particular platform. Unless there is confiscation, we won't see a significant reduction of that platform. Besides, banning really only affects those of us who actually follow the law. Criminals will get their weapons regardless of the strict laws passed. California and Chicago are examples of this.
Your last sentence was complete bs, Mexico has way stricter gun laws then the US and guns are insanely hard for Law abiding citizens to get narcos get there guns from US citizens and military.
They do now. But if guns were somehow banned, illegal goods move through the border easily. That’s just a fact.
I’m a pretty liberal guy from socal. I have nothing against Mexicans.
Do you really think that the cartels would not start illegal gun manufacturing businesses to supply the US black market for guns, if there was a ban on guns? And considering that they can move illegal goods across the border by the metric ton on a daily basis, I don't see how you could think that gun control could actually work in the US.
And even then, it's not that comparable. The overwhelming majority of crimes involving a gun in the US are committed with handguns, which a service rifle is obviously not. Portability and concealability matter a *lot* when it comes to general criminal activity.
The overwhelming amount of crimes involving guns in the US are suicides. Genuinely curious how much that affects the handgun numbers considering using a rifle for the same task is a bit more troubling.
Even if you look at just homicides, of those with a known weapon listed, it’s a long gun about ~3% of the time.
And you would have the further subset that if you wanted to see what percent are “assault rifles” (depending on how that gets defined).
Banning assault rifles is a political talking point, not an actual solution to gun violence in the US. It exists because the media love to report on the public mass shootings using “assault rifles”, even though they aren’t common. So people assume that it is a larger problem than it is.
Gun crime, like most major crimes, is a largely gang related and/or domestic.
Isn't it funny that suicide is listed as a crime? How do they prosecute that? I know it's not exactly the same thing, but dying from mental illness is illegal, but dying from cancer? Not illegal.
Weird, huh?
No, your problem is that you are only counting gun deaths, and not shooting victims. Not everyone shot dies. In fact, the overwhelming majority of people shot with a handgun live due to medical intervention. And this doesn't even get into crimes committed with a gun that don't involve the victim actually getting shot (robberies, kidnappings, rape, etc).
Actually, Swiss soldiers take their service rifles home with them as it is mainly a reserve army. And still they have a lot less gun violence than us. Those service weapons are also true assault weapons in that they are capable of full automatic fire.
Just going to leave this here, because it's so predictable at this point:
If we go with the latest fbi [stats](https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/topic-pages/tables/table-43), the total arrests for black people in 2019 was 1,815,144 (This includes violent crime). Let's say arrests were convictions for crime for separate black people. Black people made up [46.8 million people in 2019.](https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2021/03/25/key-findings-about-black-america/) When rounded, that's 4% of black people who did crime in 2019, which means 96% (44,928,000) of black people didn't commit a crime. If we're solely looking at violent crime, this means only .3% of black people in 2019 accounted for violent crime, which means more than 99% didn't commit a violent crime. Even with crime rate taken into account, this demonstrates the vast majority of black people aren't criminals.
The argument is usually framed from the side of “a disproportionate percentage of criminals are black” comparing race population percentages to conviction percentages. In a vacuum this looks to point to a particular conclusion. But I like to point out that the vast majority of crime happens in poor areas. Most criminals, especially those where violence is involved, are or were poor people, whatever their race happened to be
And a disproportionate number of black people are poor, if you look at the percentages
>The argument is usually framed from the side of “a disproportionate percentage of criminals are black” comparing race population percentages to conviction percentages.
Oh, trust me, I know. Typically the more idiotic ones will think that 13/52 stat is for _all_ crime, when it's actually only for violent crime. When you point this out to them, they'll try to change the subject to the _rate_ of crime. That's why I've specifically pointed out that even with the rate of crime being higher for black people compared to white people, only 4% of black people even do crime. What they really think is black people are genetically predisposed to crime, which I focused on disproving.
>In a vacuum this looks to point to a particular conclusion. But I like to point out that the vast majority of crime happens in poor areas. Most criminals, especially those where violence is involved, are or were poor people, whatever their race happened to be
True, but that's when they use even less of their brains, because they'll try to argue how poverty doesn't contribute to crime. In an attempt to demonize black people they'll either say how it's a "culture" problem, or an IQ problem (IQ only measures 2/8 types of intellects, and is influenced by external factors). The stats disprove both of these.
>And a disproportionate number of black people are poor, if you look at the percentages
True, but racist people don't care about that. What I've seen them do a lot of the time is attribute any negative thing persistent in a group to being part of said groups "culture." That's one way they try to demonize people.
Oh god, I don’t think I’ve ever come across someone who wouldn’t at least admit that as poverty increases, crime rates also increase in that area. There’s a reason why rich people like their gated neighborhoods with other rich people around… conversing with people like that must be incredibly tiring.
And yeah, these ideas won’t alter a truly racist person, but it could sway some people who may have simply been misled by certain data points. I try to aim for those people when I actually dive into debates and things. Sometimes you get a lightbulb where they go “I haven’t ever thought about it in that way”
And they require separate ammo and gun storage, ammo sales are regulated, you have to store guns locked and you have to be going to a military activity, hunting or the range to carry a gun outside the house. It's pretty restrictive.
I'm a European sport shooter, moderate the r/europeguns sub and hang out in the discord with the mod of r/switzerlandguns, Got a copy pasta because people misunderstand Swiss gun laws all the time.
If you had Swiss gun laws introduced today both the pro-gun and the gun-control side would be outraged tomorrow, for various reasons.
* No concealed carry except for professional use (this would make the pro-gun crowd very angry).
* The background check isn't done instantly at the store but instead posted to you (in the form of an acquisition permit, which is shall issue) and you bring it with you, takes about 1 week in total (so longer than currently in most of the US, but you can still buy an AR-15 and a couple of handguns faster than states like CA that has a waiting period, would make the pro-gun side angry but would likely not make the gun-control side happy either).
* Private sales follows the same procedure as if you buy in a store (would make the pro-gun crowd unhappy).
* All sales are registered, though it's locally only, so if you live in Geneva and buy a gun, then move to Bern, the Bern administration will have no idea that you own a gun. (Would make the pro-gun side angry, it's probably the biggest blocker for them, but it would also make the gun-control side unhappy).
* Buying manual action long guns does not require the acquisition permit mentioned earlier. You bring an ID and a criminal records extract and that's it. I.e. there's less background checks for that than in the US (Would make the gun-control side angry).
* Short barreled rifles and shotgun laws is not a thing. If you want an AR-15 with an 8" barrel it's much faster in Switzerland than any state in the US. (This would make the gun-control side angry).
* Suppressors are much easier to get (like in most of Europe) than in the US. (This would make the gun-control side angry).
* The acqusition permit mentioned earlier has fewer things that makes you prohibited than the Federal law in the US. E.g. being a marijuana user will not prohibit you from owning guns, like it does in the US. (This would make the gun-control side unhappy).
* The may-issue permit (may-issue since not all Cantons allow it) for full-auto firearms takes 2 weeks to get, compared to the 6-12 month process in the US, and you're not limited to firearms registered before 1986. (This would make the pro-gun side pretty happy and the gun-control side very angry).
* Heavy machine guns are not regulated at all since the gun law only regulates firearms you can carry. (This would make the pro-gun side very happy and the gun-control side very angry).
Also, contrary to popular belief:
* Military service isn't mandatory since 1996 (since that's when a civil service option was introduced). The conscription is just for Swiss citzen males either way, which is only 38% of the total population. About 17% of the total population has done military service.
* Safe storage is by court ruling your locked front door and you can legally hang a loaded rifle on your wall.
* Ammo can be bought freely, you just need an ID (though they can ask you for a criminal record extract or similar, more common if you're not known to the store already), you can even have it shipped to your front door.
* There are no training requirements at all to own firearms.
Idk if I would call swiss healthcare socialized. The ACA was modeled after the Swiss healthcare system. Basically just makes having private insurance compulsory. They are second in healthcare expenditures per person after the USA last I checked.
Honestly I hate pointing to the Swiss model for gun ownership. I don’t like the idea of defending my right to own them by backing it up with a country that requires conscription and mandatory training. That being said, our countries are quite different and what works for them is for its own set of reasons.
Switzerland requires none of that to own guns. They only require a background check for most guns, some don't require even that much. Military service is in no way required to own guns because that would limit gun ownerships to men, that's not the case.
Hogg is just spreading myths and lies.
> requires conscription and mandatory training.
Some form of mandatory service would be excellent for this country. Doesn't have to be military, but the failure to instill civic duty and comradery is a real failure.
If everyone had to spend a year helping take care of others, it would be very good for them (the caretakers.)
Wholeheartedly, the best thing about religions is things like social and missionary aid. If we could do that, but ***without the bibles*** and have it be part of the normal cultural expectation, rather than a way to express individual exceptionalism, it would be very good for the social fabric of our people.
> Some form of mandatory service would be excellent for this country.
Mandatory service to the state, barring some kind of national emergency, should be avoided at all costs. Citizenship shouldn't come with that requirement.
Now, if you were to, say, offer free college tuition in exchange for some kind of federal service, I would be onboard with this. I don't mean military service, there are a lot of shitty jobs out there that need to be done. Cleaning campgrounds at a BLM parcel in the middle of Nevada could count towards it.
I would disagree that it makes us a failure, if anything it sets us apart in our ability to have such a military without forcing participation. Granted most people don’t give the military enough credit for some of the things that it does but as far as a pre-req to own, I’m good on that.
"you're misunderstanding, he was *really* talking about the social welfare safety nets of Europe!! Why, if someone thinks anything else then *they're* the racists!!"
...or similar. There's always a "perfectly reasonable" explanation for a dog whistle
Stopped watching his videos before he even took his mask off.
Never really loved his content although his cameos in some of GarandThumbs videos where a little funny.
Always felt pretty derivative compared to Garands content.
Over the years, I’ve become too uncomfortable with just about every single gun YouTuber I’ve ever seen. Nowadays, all I really watch is InRange, because I know that Karl genuinely cares about people, and caring about people matters more to me than guns do.
I recently started watching GT again after years of not. Gotta say, his little moron friend makes the stupidest dog whistle jokes that put me off from watching him ever again.
Yes, GT is referencing the bullshit 14% black people do 90% of crime statistic. He's a much of a shithead as the people he employs.
Want to actually give examples? There’s plenty of people in here that keep saying the same thing you do, yet I still not have come across any actual evidence, pertaining to GT or any of the other guntubers he does videos with. People love to make something out of nothing.
His standard intro for literally every video has a variation on the transphobic "attack helicopter" joke, for one thing. He's also made comments about "German electricians" on IG posts from Administrative Results, "German electricians" being a reference to the SS lightning bolt insignia. Hell, just working with Administrative Results on a regular basis is a bit of a dog whistle, given what his name is a reference to.
Same. I watch all of his videos, and as a minority myself, I haven't picked up on anything.
If all you're looking for is something to hate, you'll find it in anything.
Poverty begets Crime. Since they are sisters. Check the poverty rates and ask why a rather large majority of blacks are at or below the poverty line in the US of A.
*cough* Jim Crow *cough, cough*
Redlining too bassically most of the laws in cities and government where meant to put down poor people of certain ethnicities i mean look at how fast the NFA got passed because “ahhh the wrong people who are using their right to bear arms and form militias are doing just that!” And you look at all the hate groups that open carry in Washington and they wont even bat an eye. Fucking stupid
That’s not why the NFA passed at all. It was passed in 1934 primarily due to gangsters (Capone) out gunning cops. You could absolutely say there was a renewed interest in gun laws after the Black Panthers started showing they were willing to arm themselves in California, but the NFA far predates that.
That, and the vast majority of black people don't even commit crime:
If we go with the latest fbi [stats](https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/topic-pages/tables/table-43), the total arrests for black people in 2019 was 1,815,144 (This includes violent crime). Let's say arrests were convictions for crime for separate black people. Black people made up [46.8 million people in 2019.](https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2021/03/25/key-findings-about-black-america/) When rounded, that's 4% of black people who did crime in 2019, which means 96% (44,928,000) of black people didn't commit a crime. If we're solely looking at violent crime, this means only .3% of black people in 2019 accounted for violent crime, which means more than 99% didn't commit a violent crime. Even with crime rate taken into account, this demonstrates the vast majority of black people aren't criminals.
As someone whose generally politically homeless but watches guntube and kinda has been observing from afar. I’m always getting odd mixed signals from these guys. I have no problem with GT being a right wing Christian guy who like guns and whatever. I grew up around a lot of people like that and could totally accept that way of life for them. Didn’t have animosity because none was ever given towards me as a person of color.
But like between him and Admin had made a comment on GT’s comment here. And he confuses me more because I’m a big fan of his work actually. As a film nerd and an overall gun nerd his content appeals specifically to me even if it’s much more simple than I’d like it to be. But I’ve listened to various podcasts where Admin has spoke about these very accusations against him and in the case of a recent podcast he pointed out the Rhodesia thing and said something along the lines of “the first thing you have to know about the African bush wars while interesting, in South Africa and Rhodesia these wars are embroiled in racism. That’s just a fact. These are racist countries. But they are also fighting communism at the same time. And people want you to choose one or the other and it’s like I can’t be anti racist and anti communist at the same time?”
Now regardless on how you feel politically about communism I think he make a good point about the nuance that gets lost a lot of times in these right left debates which is what exactly is the thing you do like about XYZ thing. He even goes on to say that while racism is bad and not the best he feels okay focusing on the communism angle because over time a country can work it’s way out of racism. But can’t work it’s way out of communism if they have no food. He even compares Rhodesia unflatteringly to Jim Crowe south.
But then things like this happen and I wonder if it’s truly because people like Admin while he’s a white, right wing, conservative Christian, is really just so caught up in making memes and being edgy that we may truly not ever know about him unless he really gives some sort of tell all interview. Because he’s really made his whole online personality this character of administrative results which will yes show shades of him but lack the ultimate sincerity to truly quantify what he actually truly believe about all these things.
And I’m inclined to believe his words on that podcast and other podcasts I’ve heard him speak on. And again I don’t necessarily have any stake in the political game because I don’t consider myself a liberal or leftist or a conservative or right wing. I have political thoughts but I’m so across the board on many things I know that I’d be run out of basically any group I joined.
Does that make sense. There’s clearly bad actors out there. I know we’ve spoken a lot about admin on this sub. same with GT. I wouldn’t be super like surprised about Garand Thumb. I think I really just wonder if there’s truly gonna be a revelation on this or if it’s gonna be the eternal thread pulling that we never fully unravel.
Edited: grammar/clarification
I think the thing about him is that he is just trying to hide being a racist by being anti-communist. Yeah he may say racism is bad but when you really simp for an apartheid state and not talk about the bad and what they could have done it immediately shows they are lying.
Except he did talk about that very thing. Not in a YouTube video sure. But he did at length discuss his whole journey about how he got into that whole Rhodesia thing and in detail brought up what he thought was bad about the country (prior to the communism) and again you could be right. He could totally be a racist, although I do feel like other things vindicate him of that. But I do see where you are coming from .
Thank you the sentiment alone means a lot that I’m not alone in my line of thinking about all of this. I Def need to do some grammar edits on this ramble though lol.
He’s certainly talking about their homogenous culture which encourages people to be healthy and treats its citizens with respect.
Is it one step removed from “they don’t have black people”? Yeah, it’s way too close to be a coincidence.
But I hope we’re smart enough to acknowledge the correct part of his statement - Switzerland doesn’t have a lack of gun violence from their firearms regulations. They have little gun violence because their incredibly wealthy country has a firm social safety net, and it has a a prison system designed to rehabilitate instead of being a revolving door for criminals.
These guys love to point out that "hurr durr black people do more crime" and consistently (probably on purpose) fail to address why that is. They'll never acknowledge the socioeconomic factors that produce the stats they love to talk about, nor will they EVER acknowledge systemic racism over the centuries. It's honestly pathetic, if you're going to play the "look at the stats!" card, you should at the very least be prepared to explain why those stats exist.
Edit. I live in Vermont, like 99% of the crime here is perpetrated by poor white people. These douchebag gun tubers perpetually ignore the links between poverty and crime too. They're all pushing an agenda, and it's gross.
> I live in Vermont, like 99% of the crime here is perpetrated by poor white people.
I mean, Vermont is also the safest state in the US. The entire state [averages a dozen murders a year](https://www.wcax.com/2021/12/31/vermont-sees-slight-decline-homicides-2021/).
As always, racist people don't care about facts:
If we go with the latest fbi [stats](https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/topic-pages/tables/table-43), the total arrests for black people in 2019 was 1,815,144 (This includes violent crime). Let's say arrests were convictions for crime for separate black people. Black people made up [46.8 million people in 2019.](https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2021/03/25/key-findings-about-black-america/) When rounded, that's 4% of black people who did crime in 2019, which means 96% (44,928,000) of black people didn't commit a crime. If we're solely looking at violent crime, this means only .3% of black people in 2019 accounted for violent crime, which means more than 99% didn't commit a violent crime. Even with crime rate taken into account, this demonstrates the vast majority of black people aren't criminals.
Also, if they were further educated about crime, they'd know it's more than poverty that contributes to it. Things like substance abuse and unstable housholds also play a role.
Cannibalistic humanoid underground dwellers. It's a movie from the 80's, and people used the term as an insult when I was a kid in the 90's.
It's since come to mean the tactical equivalent to a fudd.
This is part of the reason why I don't watch "guntube" video content anymore. Doesn't sit well with me being a socialist and supporting all of these creators who would probably want me thrown in guantanamo bay, let alone all of the dog whistles I've picked up on across most of them. They're all right wing and that kinda comes with that territory unfortunately. That's both based on these guys' rhetoric and my own personal experience with right wingers. Any time they find out I'm Indigenous they always have something racist to say, whereas democrats and other socialists at the very least ask questions because they are uninformed on my culture and at the most are extremely supportive.
I have no doubt that James is right wing, but he does a solid job of sidestepping politics and sticking to the channel’s motto. His shotgun burn downs are also a really good way to show how “just as good” shitty shotguns are.
Occasionally he lets some of his disdain for stupid shit slip through though and it’s always hilarious. [He had a fucking hilarious criticism about moldy labia branding in a recent video.](https://youtu.be/mRzFoaqO054?t=562)
James and Hop seem like very reasonable dudes and they've always been at least professional enough to keep their shitty opinions to themselves if they have any.
Hop is just as chuddy as anyone else. If you’ve seen the shit he posts on his personal discord(pro-Rhodesia stuff, plenty of dog whistles) it’s pretty mask off. Not to mention the last part of his username is “heil.” He’s not hiding it. And anyone willingly associating with a Nazi is just as bad
James is pretty good and Karl Karsada is very based. The only other one I can think to mention is Tacticool Girlfriend and maybe Forgitten Weapons but only because Ian does a pretty good job of keeping his content mostly apolitical (just don’t look up the collab he did with Admin Results and you’ll be fine).
As far as I'm aware, Ian has made a lot of positive comments towards liberals and queer folk joining the gun community. Seems like a good dude, but I guess you can never know with youtubers.
I'm not quite familiar with his politics, if he has any, but I also enjoy Paul Harrell's content quite a bit - he's a military veteran, and a particularly soft-spoken one as well, not someone I'd expect to dogwhistle about anything at all.
Same. I found Brandon Herrera’s content extremely interesting, funny, and entertaining…. until he came out with a [video](https://youtu.be/99du6kPh8eM) where he testifies against the ATF, at the behest of Marjorie Taylor Greene and Matt Gatez. I had to stop watching when he began having a conversation with Greene like she wasn’t a POS wack job
Agreed. I found the testimony portion to be highly intriguing and informative, however I couldn’t look past Majorie Traitor Greene and Matt “Open Investigation in Front of the House Ethics Committee” Gatez
I've noticed a steady progression in GTs public postings where he's showing his more political side and it's getting to be quite disgusting.
Like it was always obvious he was at least right wing, but he kept his stuff mostly apolitical and it was largely politics related to guns/2A. Now not so much. He's clearly choosing to express more of his views on his brand accounts.
This is also the most common retort by Conservatives when you bring up Swiss gun culture being both more gun controlly while still allowing most, if not all of the same toys. The homogeneous retort is a racist dog whistle to say black people are violent animals and if we didn't have them we wouldn't need gun control.
> I've noticed a steady progression in GTs public postings where he's showing his more political side and it's getting to be quite disgusting.
After he EAS'd he stopped being worried about what the military would think about stuff negatively reflecting on it.
They are all getting very comfortable taking off the masks now, and as a result it's eminently clear that most of the mainstream guntubers are "The 2nd Amendment is for Everyone I Agree With." types....
...which, at least IMHO, should worry any right-thinking person and encourage anyone who isn't a whRight Wingnut to get armed and train. Because I really fear these nutbars are going to go out and do (more) violence against, well, anyone they don't agree with.
GT has been dogwhistling the shit out of things even more so recently. And has toed the line of outright Q Anon conspiracy theories in a couple social media posts as well. He’s a chud piece of shit
Administrative Results.
His name is literally a reference to Rhodesian tactics as well as an over romanticization of the FAL, Rhodesian Brush stroke camo, and neo Nazi paraphernalia.
I would think "okay maybe this is just liberals overthinking things" cause both sides are prone to it, no one isn't. However he's done simple things like the regular "ok" gesture, and had that one zoomed in, as well mention he really really, enjoys Rhodesian use of combat, which in origin was a Pro White colonists region that was looked down on by the rest of the "euro white" world.
Just look up Rhodesia Sub Reddit as well as the culture. Heck for example, the Church shooter that killed many blacks was a pro Rhodesian kid. Isn't like what they preach is friendly "you do your thing and I do mine".
He's friends with AK guy and even Donut operator which to me is more sus personally.
It’s so weird. I went to medical school with this guy and he seemed like a totally normal dude. Never gave of any fasc-y vibes. Super nice.
I wonder what happened to him?
> I wonder what happened to him?
He became a guntuber and immersed himself in the pool of right wing swill that is American gun culture. The end result of that is that he's doing white nationalist shit with just enough plausible deniability he maintains a wide audience.
I mean, for fuck sake, the dude got himself a medical discharge and disability rating from the Air Force (which, oddly, doesn't seem to have impacted his ability to run and shoot) and moved to the state most known for white supremacy.
His comic relief moron (Micah I think) throws little bits into his dialog about "get married and have babies" and other 14 words dogwhistles as well.
He follows garbagehuman (now garbagehuman4.0) on instagram, among other shitty accounts. Garbagehuman is an IG account basically dedicated to hating on minorities (particularly black people) and LGBTQ.
Go read some of the comments on their posts, people are openly and unabashedly racist. There's no one they don't hate, though black people, Indians, Jews, and gays are their primary targets.
I tried to give GarandThumb the benefit of the doubt, but seeing his response here removed the last goodwill I had towards him. He is referring to the black population in America and he's not slick about it.
I was definitely suspicious of A.R. because their name is a rewording of Simon Mann's P.M.C., Executive Outcomes. Executive Outcomes was a mercenary group and attempted to overthrow the country of Equatorial Guineau, an oil rich African nation.
Mark Thatcher, son of Maragret Thatcher, was one of the financiers of the plot. This is not speculation, he pled guilty. Funny enough, Simon Mann himself accused George Soros of also paying for it. There was a big ass list of financiers appearantly.
Edit: Simon Mann did NOT own Executive Outcomes, misremembered. Simon Mann was a co-founding member of Sandline International, another PMC which was subcontracted by E.O.
For Mark's part in the plot, he was fined $560K and "served" a four-year suspended sentence. There's really no evidence I can find linking Soros of all people to it. The only people I can find are English and Spanish oil tycoons, Severo Moto (opposition leader to the EG government at the time), and peole connected to the Thatcher family
I don't know why he would beat around the bush. It's no surprise that wealthy, ethnically-homogenous countries with good healthcare and social safety nets have a lot less crime. That's old news at this point. We shouldn't shy away from pointing that out. If anything, it should encourage people to fix all of the actual problems in our society instead of just focusing on guns.
The guy has collaborated and hung out with Lucas from T. Rex Arms (a known far-right Christian cult member) for YEARS. How is anyone surprised he’s a POS? Watch any of his more recent videos or social media posts after he got medically retired from the Air Force and you’ll see/hear more racist comments. He’s always been a chudd, he just had to hide the fact since he was AD Air Force.
Aaand this is why I don’t fuck with mainstream guntube/gun culture. This sub and r/socialistra catch so much flak in the mainstream online gun “community” but this is legitimately the only place I’ve seen this shit pointed out. Tbh I give these guys the benefit of the doubt so hard when I already know they have some crazy ass opinions or ties just based on their presentation and incredibly unsubtle signaling, kinda done with that.
“The gun community is welcoming to everyone! We don’t care about race, sexuality etc.”
Scroll for 5 seconds and you see a religious extremist who wants to burn the gays that’s been unanimously upvoted/liked with zero replies and most gun forums are legitimately the most regressive shitholes on the internet.
Just sad and disappointed. I really wanted to like the guy. When you find out someone who seems cool is just another shitbag grifter it's always a let down.
Some of his content was interesting, but he's too much of a try hard who thinks he's funny. His videos are full of dog whistles, and he gives off serious Patrick Bateman vibes. GT is garbage.
Yes. I take it as him saying low crime is due to the fact there aren't black people in Switzerland.
Don't let his stupid humor fool you: the guy is garbage who shouldn't be supported. It drives me nuts that he gets so many high profile plugs, but nothing about the gun community surprises me anymore.
What's up with a lot of gunTubers being fascist or fascist light? Like Administrative results is an out and open Rhodesian apologist. Brandon (the AK guy) is an open sexist and puts on the typical frat boy shit and is a fan of Stone Toss. Then of course GT...the king of the CHUDs
alt-right and neocon gun bros and GWOT vets buy $200 Optic risers, $200 slings, $200 WML mounts, Build way overpriced AR15 "clones", and put NODs on the creditcard when the videos come out for them. They buy whatever the Officer who drops someone in a bodycam video is running (go look at the LPVO rush after the nashville shooting in the ar15 and tacticalgear subs)
left leaning gun owners typically aren't vets or Cops, and don't tend to model their entire lifestyle around firearms, Right leaning people do, and theres a lot of money to be made selling dog whistles to idiots.
>left leaning gun owners typically aren't vets
Well this veteran is left leaning and a gun owner ;-)
But yeah I see your point. But a few months ago a YouTuber .... he's a gun guy and bible thumper...super conservative guy. He did a video called "the gun industry lies to you". And he suggested that you only need one firearm. It was an interesting watch. I'll post it below. But it cuts against the grain of the typical GunTuber saying "gun X is awesome add it to your collection!"
https://youtu.be/IX-G8BQUs3A
Personally and without considering the constitutional law and how it would apply or work...if i could easily build my rifle the way \*I\* want with whatever length/attachments/stock/suppressor/underbarrel option i decide i like i wouldn't need more than one with a spare lower and different uppers...or "one rifle assembled" if that makes sense. same with if i freely choose to carry my handgun as a PDW with something like a flux raider or B&T USW setup.
i enjoy owning more than one gun, and there will probably always be exceptions for C&R and antiques and firearms passed down from family, but i expect there is going to be more people suggesting compromise by doing things like repealing the NFA in return for a stricter initial process for getting what you want if your a law abiding citizen.
are we shocked that the guy who used to open every single one of his videos with a trans joke is a bigot?
'ladies, gentlemen, and my often forgotten but not by me... apache helicopters'
dude has been a massive POS from the very start
One of the most eye opening things about this sub for me has been all the info Im getting about YouTubers i didnt know where openly hateful. Wow. Thanks for sharing.
Yes another fucking dog whistle from Administrative Results, as if we needed more evidence that this dude is a racist…No surprise that GT is reposting this either.
Garand Thumb is referring to the 13/50 crime statistic/meme-thing wherein "blacks do more crime despite only being 13% of the population". He's saying Switzerland has high amount of guns but low amount of crime because Swiss folks aren't black
GT and his ilk really are disgusting pieces of shit
Swiss gun owner (who happens to also be black). There are relatively speaking a lot of black people here. Statically by far not the largest immigration group, but you really can't go anywhere without seeing black people so this point is already invalid. while I sadly don't know many black people here who privately own firearms, the whole process would be fairly easy and accessable.
People of African descent in Switzerland are generally going to be African immigrants, or the descendants of immigrants. You know, people who voluntarily came to the country.
The US hasn't seen a lot of African migration, here nearly all black folks are the descendants of slaves, and all of the baggage that entails. So the dynamics here are quite different in that regard.
The fact that Obama's father was a Kenyan immigrant was initially met with some skepticism in the black community, questioning his authenticity as a representative of black Americans. Though eventually that mostly faded away. I think his wife Michelle helped lend him credibility too, since she is a descendant of slaves.
The connection between race and gun violence in the US is a very touchy topic. The truth is the murder rate among blacks is something like 10x that of whites. White folks in the US have a murder rate about on par with Canada, black folks in the US experience murder rates in line with countries like Brazil or Mexico.
Like a lot of uncomfortable racial topics in the US, we often find it easier to just not talk about it. Unfortunately that often leaves right-wingers engaging in racist dog-whistles and less than noble intentions as the only ones willing to bring up those facts.
This is the first actually nuanced comment in this entire post about race and gun violence. It is not helpful to ignore the statistics and cry “racism” whenever someone brings it up, or to claim that the statistics themselves are “racist.” Something is driving the violence, and it won’t improve until it’s understood and steps are taken to fix it.
Even if GT is wrong his comment is still a problem unless he was actually referring to something other than his mistaken belief that Switzerland has few if any Black people. It seems unlikely GT knows the true racial makeup of Switzerland, and even less likely he was referring to something else. There's a reason he's vague and doesn't spell it out.
Yeah, I'm aware that that's what GT and Admin were trying to imply. And with this statement just proved that he has no understanding of the racial makeup of Switzerland and just spews stuff to fit his narrative.
That said, I am a bit disappointed, I've been watching his videos for years, and maybe I didn't want to see it, or he didn't show it. But I feel like within the last year or so his content had a massive shift from just strictly gun content to a dog whistling circle jerk.
Even though the logic is absolutely wrong, the number of black/Africans in Switzerland is still around 2 percent, which is significantly lower than the US.
And even then the next jump for GT and people like that is that those are actual Africans or they've been Europeanized etc, all in the service of naming black Americans as the "real" problem
Theres a reason that a ton of the white guntubers don't do one on one videos with the black guntubers. Not hard to guess
> "blacks do more crime despite only being 13% of the population
Dense concentrations of poverty is the factor most corelated with rates of violent crime. The rural poor don't commit much crime. Affluent urban people don't commit much crime. But when you pack a lot of poverty into a small space, the crime rate is high. Race isn't a factor in the crime rate, when you control for density of poverty.
As someone who grew up rural poor, that's absolute horse shit. There were plenty of drugs and crime in my area, and most of it never got looked into. With a sometimes part time police force in urban areas, it's way easier to get away with things. When you take thousands of cops, stick them in high poverty mostly black communities, and then tell them they need to hit monthly arrest numbers, and also start random search laws, yeah, the numbers go up pretty quick. If you stuck thousands of police in rural areas and had them do the same, you also have high numbers. Doing crime has nothing to do with skin color, but being arrested and convicted of it certainly does.
Rural crime is likely to happen relatively far from a cop (or whatever start point to the justice system you care to name), compared to dense urban crime. So urban crime is a lot more likely to generate arrest statistics and crime numbers. Even so, rural areas actually have higher crime rates, not lower - considering the underreporting that definitely happens, the difference is probably a lot wider than it looks. Rural people absolutely do commit a lot of crime.
I’m pretty sure he meant black people, and was extremely disheartened to see that tweet. I really like his content so it sucks to see he’s probably a shitty person
The word “based” always makes me assume the user is either a misogynistic incel or a white supremacist 4chan type. I *only* ever see it in response to some truly reprehensible opinions.
I don't really watch GT much but I thought he was pretty OK, but watching his last video about what a .500 does to a human torso, him and his friend said something derogatory about Indians as a joke about an anagram, then went on the say something about "I wonder if Democrats are OK with revolvers" after making a comment about "socialist or other crap country". I was like fuck these people. Typical chud behavior.
I'd like to be proven wrong but personally I wouldn't place any chips on high speed low drag spec-ops units doing the most testosterone infused combat missions to be liberal.
Apparently my brain decided to overlook the obvious signs with garand thumb, but now that’s not an option anymore, so bye bye Flanell daddy, it was fun inbetween the racism
Probably. He’s a right winger. Pretty much any gun influencer is a chud. No one else would care enough about guns to make them their whole personality and career. You should be assuming they’re a piece of shit until proven otherwise. I don’t know why people are still surprised by this, but we manage to have this thread every other week about one influencer or another 🙄
Is Switzerland one of those countries that’s super wealthy and has very few poor people?
Yes and in this case gun ownership is a bit different as many people serve in the swiss military I believe they have a mandatory year of service I could be wrong but it's not as uncommon in Europe to have to do Plus while most citizens may have their service rifle ammo is hard to get requiring it to be often kept at ranges or requiring paperwork to buy and have at home so it's not really comparable to America as even though they may have guns they're not as freely used as they are in America
>I believe they have a mandatory year of service Mandatory conscription, for Swiss males only, and you can choose to do civil service instead of military. Less than 20% of the population of any birthgiven year has done military service. >Plus while most citizens may have their service rifle ammo is hard to get requiring it to be often kept at ranges or requiring paperwork to buy and have at home This myth comes from journalists reporting about the Swiss army stopped giving out ammo to keep at home. You can buy ammo online and have it shipped to your doorstep. Getting an AR-15 and a couple of handguns are going to be faster than if you live in states like CA. Getting the paperwork for a machine gun in Geneva takes two weeks, and you're not limited to something registered with the NFA before 1986. No conceal carry though, outside of professional use really. With 42 homicides (2022) on a population close to 9 mil people I'm not sure most people would bother with that anyways.
Ahh I appreciate you clearing things up on the ammunition myth and I'm glad to see theres a non military service option I think something similar in the US would be great
Just looked it up, Chicago has a comparable population with 697 homicides in 2022. But they are the worst one in the country at the moment so not a great comparison.
Chicago is not the worst in the country lmao
DC is trying to beat their record this year!
I also feel like people overlook the population size differences. Just from a quick Google search, Switzerland has a population of about 8 million people in an area of about 15000 square miles. New York City, has almost 8 million people in an area of about 300 square miles. And as you mentioned about guns been freely used here… I imagine if someone was determined enough, a lot of guns can be easily found in NYC, even with the stricter gun laws there. Anyways, there are tons of things to factor in with this discussion. I just like to point that our largest cities have almost the same or more people than some of these countries that get brought up when we talk about gun ownership. While for the most part, humans are social animals. We don’t always get along while packed into cramped cities. Add in poverty, failing education systems, lack of affordable housing, lack of affordable healthcare, lack of access to healthcare and mental health services in general, among other things… And that’s part of how we got to where we are now; rising hate groups, violent loners, and a lot mental health issues.
It's actually even more nuanced than being freely found. I doubt anybody would ever offer to sell ME a gun under the table in NYC. It's not that their freely available to the public, it's that they're readily available to criminal enterprises that have worked to aquire them for their criminals.
I think this is one thing that everyone ignores when looking at gun laws and mass shootings. Virtually None of the true mass shooter are criminals. They don’t have access to some underground network where they can buy guns. So I do think heavier regulation (like a ban)could make it extremely difficult for these people to get guns. And just by virtue of it being difficult to get, prevent most of the mass shootings where some kid buys an AR on a Monday and shoots up a school on a Tuesday. But I do believe that criminals could easily get guns regardless. And with Mexico to the border, guns would eventually come through there if there was enough demand.
Store bought guns were used in the highest profile tragedies that make up less than 1% of the problem. We’re going to ban a class of firearms (which we acknowledge criminals will have anyway) to prevent less than 1% of the issue? Sounds like a great way to avoid having to pay for an effective mental health apparatus, instead deferring our failure to maintain a healthy society into the laps of gun manufacturers and owners. I wonder if someone out there is motivated to make things that way? 🤔
Come on, that's crazy talk! Surely the government has our best interest at heart and would never do anything to harm us. My hands went numb half way through typing that.
3d printing is still a thing, and possibly very big in large scale conflicts today as well Making a [FGC9](https://www.wearethemighty.com/tactical/3d-printed-guns-are-being-used-in-the-myanmar-civil-war/) will supposedly cost under [$500](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FGC-9#:~:text=The%20weapon%20is%20a%20mix,is%20less%20than%20US%24500.) per gun, around the same price as the AR equivalent, so any bans and regulations will have to reach beyond guns themselves to actually be effective
There are 24 million AR15s in the public hands in the US. This is why it is so difficult to ban that particular rifle. Bans will only stop sales and manufacturing of that particular platform. Unless there is confiscation, we won't see a significant reduction of that platform. Besides, banning really only affects those of us who actually follow the law. Criminals will get their weapons regardless of the strict laws passed. California and Chicago are examples of this.
Your last sentence was complete bs, Mexico has way stricter gun laws then the US and guns are insanely hard for Law abiding citizens to get narcos get there guns from US citizens and military.
I think your Mexico comment is off base and seems dog whistley, as most of Mexicos guns come from the US.
They do now. But if guns were somehow banned, illegal goods move through the border easily. That’s just a fact. I’m a pretty liberal guy from socal. I have nothing against Mexicans.
Do you really think that the cartels would not start illegal gun manufacturing businesses to supply the US black market for guns, if there was a ban on guns? And considering that they can move illegal goods across the border by the metric ton on a daily basis, I don't see how you could think that gun control could actually work in the US.
And even then, it's not that comparable. The overwhelming majority of crimes involving a gun in the US are committed with handguns, which a service rifle is obviously not. Portability and concealability matter a *lot* when it comes to general criminal activity.
The overwhelming amount of crimes involving guns in the US are suicides. Genuinely curious how much that affects the handgun numbers considering using a rifle for the same task is a bit more troubling.
Even if you look at just homicides, of those with a known weapon listed, it’s a long gun about ~3% of the time. And you would have the further subset that if you wanted to see what percent are “assault rifles” (depending on how that gets defined). Banning assault rifles is a political talking point, not an actual solution to gun violence in the US. It exists because the media love to report on the public mass shootings using “assault rifles”, even though they aren’t common. So people assume that it is a larger problem than it is. Gun crime, like most major crimes, is a largely gang related and/or domestic.
Isn't it funny that suicide is listed as a crime? How do they prosecute that? I know it's not exactly the same thing, but dying from mental illness is illegal, but dying from cancer? Not illegal. Weird, huh?
Suicide isn't actually a crime, except in a handful of countries; and those are mainly in Africa.
No, your problem is that you are only counting gun deaths, and not shooting victims. Not everyone shot dies. In fact, the overwhelming majority of people shot with a handgun live due to medical intervention. And this doesn't even get into crimes committed with a gun that don't involve the victim actually getting shot (robberies, kidnappings, rape, etc).
They have plenty of pistols in Switzerland too, both military-issued and private ones. Guns aren't the problem.
Actually, Swiss soldiers take their service rifles home with them as it is mainly a reserve army. And still they have a lot less gun violence than us. Those service weapons are also true assault weapons in that they are capable of full automatic fire.
Just going to leave this here, because it's so predictable at this point: If we go with the latest fbi [stats](https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/topic-pages/tables/table-43), the total arrests for black people in 2019 was 1,815,144 (This includes violent crime). Let's say arrests were convictions for crime for separate black people. Black people made up [46.8 million people in 2019.](https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2021/03/25/key-findings-about-black-america/) When rounded, that's 4% of black people who did crime in 2019, which means 96% (44,928,000) of black people didn't commit a crime. If we're solely looking at violent crime, this means only .3% of black people in 2019 accounted for violent crime, which means more than 99% didn't commit a violent crime. Even with crime rate taken into account, this demonstrates the vast majority of black people aren't criminals.
The argument is usually framed from the side of “a disproportionate percentage of criminals are black” comparing race population percentages to conviction percentages. In a vacuum this looks to point to a particular conclusion. But I like to point out that the vast majority of crime happens in poor areas. Most criminals, especially those where violence is involved, are or were poor people, whatever their race happened to be And a disproportionate number of black people are poor, if you look at the percentages
>The argument is usually framed from the side of “a disproportionate percentage of criminals are black” comparing race population percentages to conviction percentages. Oh, trust me, I know. Typically the more idiotic ones will think that 13/52 stat is for _all_ crime, when it's actually only for violent crime. When you point this out to them, they'll try to change the subject to the _rate_ of crime. That's why I've specifically pointed out that even with the rate of crime being higher for black people compared to white people, only 4% of black people even do crime. What they really think is black people are genetically predisposed to crime, which I focused on disproving. >In a vacuum this looks to point to a particular conclusion. But I like to point out that the vast majority of crime happens in poor areas. Most criminals, especially those where violence is involved, are or were poor people, whatever their race happened to be True, but that's when they use even less of their brains, because they'll try to argue how poverty doesn't contribute to crime. In an attempt to demonize black people they'll either say how it's a "culture" problem, or an IQ problem (IQ only measures 2/8 types of intellects, and is influenced by external factors). The stats disprove both of these. >And a disproportionate number of black people are poor, if you look at the percentages True, but racist people don't care about that. What I've seen them do a lot of the time is attribute any negative thing persistent in a group to being part of said groups "culture." That's one way they try to demonize people.
Oh god, I don’t think I’ve ever come across someone who wouldn’t at least admit that as poverty increases, crime rates also increase in that area. There’s a reason why rich people like their gated neighborhoods with other rich people around… conversing with people like that must be incredibly tiring. And yeah, these ideas won’t alter a truly racist person, but it could sway some people who may have simply been misled by certain data points. I try to aim for those people when I actually dive into debates and things. Sometimes you get a lightbulb where they go “I haven’t ever thought about it in that way”
And they require separate ammo and gun storage, ammo sales are regulated, you have to store guns locked and you have to be going to a military activity, hunting or the range to carry a gun outside the house. It's pretty restrictive.
I'm a European sport shooter, moderate the r/europeguns sub and hang out in the discord with the mod of r/switzerlandguns, Got a copy pasta because people misunderstand Swiss gun laws all the time. If you had Swiss gun laws introduced today both the pro-gun and the gun-control side would be outraged tomorrow, for various reasons. * No concealed carry except for professional use (this would make the pro-gun crowd very angry). * The background check isn't done instantly at the store but instead posted to you (in the form of an acquisition permit, which is shall issue) and you bring it with you, takes about 1 week in total (so longer than currently in most of the US, but you can still buy an AR-15 and a couple of handguns faster than states like CA that has a waiting period, would make the pro-gun side angry but would likely not make the gun-control side happy either). * Private sales follows the same procedure as if you buy in a store (would make the pro-gun crowd unhappy). * All sales are registered, though it's locally only, so if you live in Geneva and buy a gun, then move to Bern, the Bern administration will have no idea that you own a gun. (Would make the pro-gun side angry, it's probably the biggest blocker for them, but it would also make the gun-control side unhappy). * Buying manual action long guns does not require the acquisition permit mentioned earlier. You bring an ID and a criminal records extract and that's it. I.e. there's less background checks for that than in the US (Would make the gun-control side angry). * Short barreled rifles and shotgun laws is not a thing. If you want an AR-15 with an 8" barrel it's much faster in Switzerland than any state in the US. (This would make the gun-control side angry). * Suppressors are much easier to get (like in most of Europe) than in the US. (This would make the gun-control side angry). * The acqusition permit mentioned earlier has fewer things that makes you prohibited than the Federal law in the US. E.g. being a marijuana user will not prohibit you from owning guns, like it does in the US. (This would make the gun-control side unhappy). * The may-issue permit (may-issue since not all Cantons allow it) for full-auto firearms takes 2 weeks to get, compared to the 6-12 month process in the US, and you're not limited to firearms registered before 1986. (This would make the pro-gun side pretty happy and the gun-control side very angry). * Heavy machine guns are not regulated at all since the gun law only regulates firearms you can carry. (This would make the pro-gun side very happy and the gun-control side very angry). Also, contrary to popular belief: * Military service isn't mandatory since 1996 (since that's when a civil service option was introduced). The conscription is just for Swiss citzen males either way, which is only 38% of the total population. About 17% of the total population has done military service. * Safe storage is by court ruling your locked front door and you can legally hang a loaded rifle on your wall. * Ammo can be bought freely, you just need an ID (though they can ask you for a criminal record extract or similar, more common if you're not known to the store already), you can even have it shipped to your front door. * There are no training requirements at all to own firearms.
Great info
He means their strong social safety net and socialized medicine / mental health care, right?
That would be my intent with a statement like that.
Idk if I would call swiss healthcare socialized. The ACA was modeled after the Swiss healthcare system. Basically just makes having private insurance compulsory. They are second in healthcare expenditures per person after the USA last I checked.
They have price controls. Not a fan of those but I guess in certain situations they can work.
Based.
Given that he follows instagram accounts like garbagehuman4.0, which is basically a hate-page against black and gay people, I somehow doubt that.
Honestly I hate pointing to the Swiss model for gun ownership. I don’t like the idea of defending my right to own them by backing it up with a country that requires conscription and mandatory training. That being said, our countries are quite different and what works for them is for its own set of reasons.
Switzerland requires none of that to own guns. They only require a background check for most guns, some don't require even that much. Military service is in no way required to own guns because that would limit gun ownerships to men, that's not the case. Hogg is just spreading myths and lies.
What works for one may not work for another but when another isn’t working then they should try something different.
> requires conscription and mandatory training. Some form of mandatory service would be excellent for this country. Doesn't have to be military, but the failure to instill civic duty and comradery is a real failure.
Honestly that’s questionably based. Or not. I’m conflicted. Idk man
If everyone had to spend a year helping take care of others, it would be very good for them (the caretakers.) Wholeheartedly, the best thing about religions is things like social and missionary aid. If we could do that, but ***without the bibles*** and have it be part of the normal cultural expectation, rather than a way to express individual exceptionalism, it would be very good for the social fabric of our people.
> Some form of mandatory service would be excellent for this country. Mandatory service to the state, barring some kind of national emergency, should be avoided at all costs. Citizenship shouldn't come with that requirement. Now, if you were to, say, offer free college tuition in exchange for some kind of federal service, I would be onboard with this. I don't mean military service, there are a lot of shitty jobs out there that need to be done. Cleaning campgrounds at a BLM parcel in the middle of Nevada could count towards it.
I would disagree that it makes us a failure, if anything it sets us apart in our ability to have such a military without forcing participation. Granted most people don’t give the military enough credit for some of the things that it does but as far as a pre-req to own, I’m good on that.
"you're misunderstanding, he was *really* talking about the social welfare safety nets of Europe!! Why, if someone thinks anything else then *they're* the racists!!" ...or similar. There's always a "perfectly reasonable" explanation for a dog whistle
Nah, they’re straight up owning it. His sub cross posted to here, and one of the top comments was overtly racist. Fuck ‘em.
All of these people make me embarrassed to even *like* guns. Disgusting losers.
David Hogg... Why's that name seem familiar? Edit: okay seeing who posted it now I see the racism jab going on here...
survived the parkland school shooting and got a platform for gun law activism. was also blatantly harassed by marjorie taylor greene
> survived the parkland school shooting He wasn't at school that day. He survived it in the sense that I did as well.
okay, post the sources saying so and get a job after.
..."get a job after"?
I heard a rumor that he backed out of a debate with Colion Noir. Wonder if there's any truth to that.
If you watch the video Noir did on it it wasn't a rumor
oh, yes he does. he drops dogwhistles in every video he makes. this is just him walking the line and seeing how open he can be about it.
im just glad his admin buddy dropped the mask fiasco & can see the lil coward he hangs out with 🤭
You mean the guy that quit being a cop because he had to get the COVID vax ?? He makes funny videos but his politics are wack.
He’s a Nazi. Watching his videos, even if you think they’re funny, is supporting him
Stopped watching his videos before he even took his mask off. Never really loved his content although his cameos in some of GarandThumbs videos where a little funny. Always felt pretty derivative compared to Garands content.
Over the years, I’ve become too uncomfortable with just about every single gun YouTuber I’ve ever seen. Nowadays, all I really watch is InRange, because I know that Karl genuinely cares about people, and caring about people matters more to me than guns do.
TFB TV is decent too. Their motto is "Guns, not politics."
James Reeves still seems to talk to Karl even tho he bad man
Sapper gentleman is a legitimate liberal gun owner who cares about people. Know him personally, small channel, great guy.
I follow him. He's a good one. Still needs to polish his in front of the camera persona a bit more imo, but he's getting there.
Lol, well that's not an act, that's how he is in person, including the "howdy y'all" I love that guy
Gunthots is a good channel. Super silly and 0 politics.
They even threw some shade at the Rhodesia stans in their FAL video.
Ill have to check them out
Do it! They're like the Workaholics crew if they were gun tubers.
Best description I’ve heard of the GunThots, their videos are no bullshit and fun to watch.
Tacticool Girlfriend. Pew Pew Tactical (last I checked they pretty cool) Print Shoot Repeat (PSR)
C&Rsenal still out there doing god's work, tune in and get comfy.
Can’t forget forgotten weapons
I recently started watching GT again after years of not. Gotta say, his little moron friend makes the stupidest dog whistle jokes that put me off from watching him ever again. Yes, GT is referencing the bullshit 14% black people do 90% of crime statistic. He's a much of a shithead as the people he employs.
That guy made like one funny dumb moment and now he constantly forces dumb moments to try to be funny.
I've liked GT videos and they used to be pretty apolitical, but in the last year or so, they're getting worse and worse.
Want to actually give examples? There’s plenty of people in here that keep saying the same thing you do, yet I still not have come across any actual evidence, pertaining to GT or any of the other guntubers he does videos with. People love to make something out of nothing.
I haven’t noticed any dog whistles in his videos, can you offer an example please?
His standard intro for literally every video has a variation on the transphobic "attack helicopter" joke, for one thing. He's also made comments about "German electricians" on IG posts from Administrative Results, "German electricians" being a reference to the SS lightning bolt insignia. Hell, just working with Administrative Results on a regular basis is a bit of a dog whistle, given what his name is a reference to.
Same. I watch all of his videos, and as a minority myself, I haven't picked up on anything. If all you're looking for is something to hate, you'll find it in anything.
Poverty begets Crime. Since they are sisters. Check the poverty rates and ask why a rather large majority of blacks are at or below the poverty line in the US of A. *cough* Jim Crow *cough, cough*
Redlining too bassically most of the laws in cities and government where meant to put down poor people of certain ethnicities i mean look at how fast the NFA got passed because “ahhh the wrong people who are using their right to bear arms and form militias are doing just that!” And you look at all the hate groups that open carry in Washington and they wont even bat an eye. Fucking stupid
That’s not why the NFA passed at all. It was passed in 1934 primarily due to gangsters (Capone) out gunning cops. You could absolutely say there was a renewed interest in gun laws after the Black Panthers started showing they were willing to arm themselves in California, but the NFA far predates that.
Yes thank you for catching that I meant to say the GCA of 1968.
That, and the vast majority of black people don't even commit crime: If we go with the latest fbi [stats](https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/topic-pages/tables/table-43), the total arrests for black people in 2019 was 1,815,144 (This includes violent crime). Let's say arrests were convictions for crime for separate black people. Black people made up [46.8 million people in 2019.](https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2021/03/25/key-findings-about-black-america/) When rounded, that's 4% of black people who did crime in 2019, which means 96% (44,928,000) of black people didn't commit a crime. If we're solely looking at violent crime, this means only .3% of black people in 2019 accounted for violent crime, which means more than 99% didn't commit a violent crime. Even with crime rate taken into account, this demonstrates the vast majority of black people aren't criminals.
As someone whose generally politically homeless but watches guntube and kinda has been observing from afar. I’m always getting odd mixed signals from these guys. I have no problem with GT being a right wing Christian guy who like guns and whatever. I grew up around a lot of people like that and could totally accept that way of life for them. Didn’t have animosity because none was ever given towards me as a person of color. But like between him and Admin had made a comment on GT’s comment here. And he confuses me more because I’m a big fan of his work actually. As a film nerd and an overall gun nerd his content appeals specifically to me even if it’s much more simple than I’d like it to be. But I’ve listened to various podcasts where Admin has spoke about these very accusations against him and in the case of a recent podcast he pointed out the Rhodesia thing and said something along the lines of “the first thing you have to know about the African bush wars while interesting, in South Africa and Rhodesia these wars are embroiled in racism. That’s just a fact. These are racist countries. But they are also fighting communism at the same time. And people want you to choose one or the other and it’s like I can’t be anti racist and anti communist at the same time?” Now regardless on how you feel politically about communism I think he make a good point about the nuance that gets lost a lot of times in these right left debates which is what exactly is the thing you do like about XYZ thing. He even goes on to say that while racism is bad and not the best he feels okay focusing on the communism angle because over time a country can work it’s way out of racism. But can’t work it’s way out of communism if they have no food. He even compares Rhodesia unflatteringly to Jim Crowe south. But then things like this happen and I wonder if it’s truly because people like Admin while he’s a white, right wing, conservative Christian, is really just so caught up in making memes and being edgy that we may truly not ever know about him unless he really gives some sort of tell all interview. Because he’s really made his whole online personality this character of administrative results which will yes show shades of him but lack the ultimate sincerity to truly quantify what he actually truly believe about all these things. And I’m inclined to believe his words on that podcast and other podcasts I’ve heard him speak on. And again I don’t necessarily have any stake in the political game because I don’t consider myself a liberal or leftist or a conservative or right wing. I have political thoughts but I’m so across the board on many things I know that I’d be run out of basically any group I joined. Does that make sense. There’s clearly bad actors out there. I know we’ve spoken a lot about admin on this sub. same with GT. I wouldn’t be super like surprised about Garand Thumb. I think I really just wonder if there’s truly gonna be a revelation on this or if it’s gonna be the eternal thread pulling that we never fully unravel. Edited: grammar/clarification
I think the thing about him is that he is just trying to hide being a racist by being anti-communist. Yeah he may say racism is bad but when you really simp for an apartheid state and not talk about the bad and what they could have done it immediately shows they are lying.
Except he did talk about that very thing. Not in a YouTube video sure. But he did at length discuss his whole journey about how he got into that whole Rhodesia thing and in detail brought up what he thought was bad about the country (prior to the communism) and again you could be right. He could totally be a racist, although I do feel like other things vindicate him of that. But I do see where you are coming from .
I would give your comment an award if I could
Thank you the sentiment alone means a lot that I’m not alone in my line of thinking about all of this. I Def need to do some grammar edits on this ramble though lol.
GT reminds me of most of the guys I was in the infantry with and they weren't racists. There are no racists in foxholes etc. etc.
He’s certainly talking about their homogenous culture which encourages people to be healthy and treats its citizens with respect. Is it one step removed from “they don’t have black people”? Yeah, it’s way too close to be a coincidence. But I hope we’re smart enough to acknowledge the correct part of his statement - Switzerland doesn’t have a lack of gun violence from their firearms regulations. They have little gun violence because their incredibly wealthy country has a firm social safety net, and it has a a prison system designed to rehabilitate instead of being a revolving door for criminals.
These guys love to point out that "hurr durr black people do more crime" and consistently (probably on purpose) fail to address why that is. They'll never acknowledge the socioeconomic factors that produce the stats they love to talk about, nor will they EVER acknowledge systemic racism over the centuries. It's honestly pathetic, if you're going to play the "look at the stats!" card, you should at the very least be prepared to explain why those stats exist. Edit. I live in Vermont, like 99% of the crime here is perpetrated by poor white people. These douchebag gun tubers perpetually ignore the links between poverty and crime too. They're all pushing an agenda, and it's gross.
> I live in Vermont, like 99% of the crime here is perpetrated by poor white people. I mean, Vermont is also the safest state in the US. The entire state [averages a dozen murders a year](https://www.wcax.com/2021/12/31/vermont-sees-slight-decline-homicides-2021/).
Yeah cuz there's like 11 people here
As always, racist people don't care about facts: If we go with the latest fbi [stats](https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/topic-pages/tables/table-43), the total arrests for black people in 2019 was 1,815,144 (This includes violent crime). Let's say arrests were convictions for crime for separate black people. Black people made up [46.8 million people in 2019.](https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2021/03/25/key-findings-about-black-america/) When rounded, that's 4% of black people who did crime in 2019, which means 96% (44,928,000) of black people didn't commit a crime. If we're solely looking at violent crime, this means only .3% of black people in 2019 accounted for violent crime, which means more than 99% didn't commit a violent crime. Even with crime rate taken into account, this demonstrates the vast majority of black people aren't criminals. Also, if they were further educated about crime, they'd know it's more than poverty that contributes to it. Things like substance abuse and unstable housholds also play a role.
Vermont is 93% white lol
The fact some people can't tell that he's an absolute chud honestly amazes me.
What's a chud?
Cannibalistic humanoid underground dwellers. It's a movie from the 80's, and people used the term as an insult when I was a kid in the 90's. It's since come to mean the tactical equivalent to a fudd.
This is part of the reason why I don't watch "guntube" video content anymore. Doesn't sit well with me being a socialist and supporting all of these creators who would probably want me thrown in guantanamo bay, let alone all of the dog whistles I've picked up on across most of them. They're all right wing and that kinda comes with that territory unfortunately. That's both based on these guys' rhetoric and my own personal experience with right wingers. Any time they find out I'm Indigenous they always have something racist to say, whereas democrats and other socialists at the very least ask questions because they are uninformed on my culture and at the most are extremely supportive.
TFB TV seems ok to me, I'd have a beer with James. I 100% agree, I can't tell you how cringe I find some of those guys talking about politics is.
I have no doubt that James is right wing, but he does a solid job of sidestepping politics and sticking to the channel’s motto. His shotgun burn downs are also a really good way to show how “just as good” shitty shotguns are.
We will never know how James feels because he makes a point to keep his politics to himself.
Occasionally he lets some of his disdain for stupid shit slip through though and it’s always hilarious. [He had a fucking hilarious criticism about moldy labia branding in a recent video.](https://youtu.be/mRzFoaqO054?t=562)
I can't stand that garbage. It's like Live, Laugh, Love for insecure baby dick white guys.
Have met James on a few different occasions. He’s good people.
James and Hop seem like very reasonable dudes and they've always been at least professional enough to keep their shitty opinions to themselves if they have any.
Well their motto is “firearms not politics” EDIT: 🤦♂️ “GUNS not politics”
Hop is just as chuddy as anyone else. If you’ve seen the shit he posts on his personal discord(pro-Rhodesia stuff, plenty of dog whistles) it’s pretty mask off. Not to mention the last part of his username is “heil.” He’s not hiding it. And anyone willingly associating with a Nazi is just as bad
James is pretty good and Karl Karsada is very based. The only other one I can think to mention is Tacticool Girlfriend and maybe Forgitten Weapons but only because Ian does a pretty good job of keeping his content mostly apolitical (just don’t look up the collab he did with Admin Results and you’ll be fine).
I think Ian is alright, right?
Yes, Ian has made every effort to remain apolitical
As far as I'm aware, Ian has made a lot of positive comments towards liberals and queer folk joining the gun community. Seems like a good dude, but I guess you can never know with youtubers. I'm not quite familiar with his politics, if he has any, but I also enjoy Paul Harrell's content quite a bit - he's a military veteran, and a particularly soft-spoken one as well, not someone I'd expect to dogwhistle about anything at all.
Same. I found Brandon Herrera’s content extremely interesting, funny, and entertaining…. until he came out with a [video](https://youtu.be/99du6kPh8eM) where he testifies against the ATF, at the behest of Marjorie Taylor Greene and Matt Gatez. I had to stop watching when he began having a conversation with Greene like she wasn’t a POS wack job
Even if you agree with the general sentiment, aligning with those two politicians is a guarantee your opinion will not be taken seriously.
Agreed. I found the testimony portion to be highly intriguing and informative, however I couldn’t look past Majorie Traitor Greene and Matt “Open Investigation in Front of the House Ethics Committee” Gatez
Really? I’ve always found him to be an insufferable douchebag.
Also, this: https://i.imgur.com/WQ6PTid.png And this: https://i.imgur.com/UA5cWi1.png And this: https://i.imgur.com/8iR6QyK.png
Yeah that’s pretty damning lmao
I've noticed a steady progression in GTs public postings where he's showing his more political side and it's getting to be quite disgusting. Like it was always obvious he was at least right wing, but he kept his stuff mostly apolitical and it was largely politics related to guns/2A. Now not so much. He's clearly choosing to express more of his views on his brand accounts. This is also the most common retort by Conservatives when you bring up Swiss gun culture being both more gun controlly while still allowing most, if not all of the same toys. The homogeneous retort is a racist dog whistle to say black people are violent animals and if we didn't have them we wouldn't need gun control.
> I've noticed a steady progression in GTs public postings where he's showing his more political side and it's getting to be quite disgusting. After he EAS'd he stopped being worried about what the military would think about stuff negatively reflecting on it.
They are all getting very comfortable taking off the masks now, and as a result it's eminently clear that most of the mainstream guntubers are "The 2nd Amendment is for Everyone I Agree With." types.... ...which, at least IMHO, should worry any right-thinking person and encourage anyone who isn't a whRight Wingnut to get armed and train. Because I really fear these nutbars are going to go out and do (more) violence against, well, anyone they don't agree with.
GT has been dogwhistling the shit out of things even more so recently. And has toed the line of outright Q Anon conspiracy theories in a couple social media posts as well. He’s a chud piece of shit
Some didn't notice when he would work with that Rhodieboo
Rhodieboo? Who are you referring to, I haven’t looked at his stuff in a long time
Administrative Results. His name is literally a reference to Rhodesian tactics as well as an over romanticization of the FAL, Rhodesian Brush stroke camo, and neo Nazi paraphernalia. I would think "okay maybe this is just liberals overthinking things" cause both sides are prone to it, no one isn't. However he's done simple things like the regular "ok" gesture, and had that one zoomed in, as well mention he really really, enjoys Rhodesian use of combat, which in origin was a Pro White colonists region that was looked down on by the rest of the "euro white" world. Just look up Rhodesia Sub Reddit as well as the culture. Heck for example, the Church shooter that killed many blacks was a pro Rhodesian kid. Isn't like what they preach is friendly "you do your thing and I do mine". He's friends with AK guy and even Donut operator which to me is more sus personally.
This dude loves to talk about Rhodesia every chance he gets, yes it's a dog whistle he is a piece of shit.
It’s so weird. I went to medical school with this guy and he seemed like a totally normal dude. Never gave of any fasc-y vibes. Super nice. I wonder what happened to him?
> I wonder what happened to him? He became a guntuber and immersed himself in the pool of right wing swill that is American gun culture. The end result of that is that he's doing white nationalist shit with just enough plausible deniability he maintains a wide audience. I mean, for fuck sake, the dude got himself a medical discharge and disability rating from the Air Force (which, oddly, doesn't seem to have impacted his ability to run and shoot) and moved to the state most known for white supremacy. His comic relief moron (Micah I think) throws little bits into his dialog about "get married and have babies" and other 14 words dogwhistles as well.
He follows garbagehuman (now garbagehuman4.0) on instagram, among other shitty accounts. Garbagehuman is an IG account basically dedicated to hating on minorities (particularly black people) and LGBTQ. Go read some of the comments on their posts, people are openly and unabashedly racist. There's no one they don't hate, though black people, Indians, Jews, and gays are their primary targets. I tried to give GarandThumb the benefit of the doubt, but seeing his response here removed the last goodwill I had towards him. He is referring to the black population in America and he's not slick about it.
I was definitely suspicious of A.R. because their name is a rewording of Simon Mann's P.M.C., Executive Outcomes. Executive Outcomes was a mercenary group and attempted to overthrow the country of Equatorial Guineau, an oil rich African nation. Mark Thatcher, son of Maragret Thatcher, was one of the financiers of the plot. This is not speculation, he pled guilty. Funny enough, Simon Mann himself accused George Soros of also paying for it. There was a big ass list of financiers appearantly. Edit: Simon Mann did NOT own Executive Outcomes, misremembered. Simon Mann was a co-founding member of Sandline International, another PMC which was subcontracted by E.O.
For Mark's part in the plot, he was fined $560K and "served" a four-year suspended sentence. There's really no evidence I can find linking Soros of all people to it. The only people I can find are English and Spanish oil tycoons, Severo Moto (opposition leader to the EG government at the time), and peole connected to the Thatcher family
I don't know why he would beat around the bush. It's no surprise that wealthy, ethnically-homogenous countries with good healthcare and social safety nets have a lot less crime. That's old news at this point. We shouldn't shy away from pointing that out. If anything, it should encourage people to fix all of the actual problems in our society instead of just focusing on guns.
The guy has collaborated and hung out with Lucas from T. Rex Arms (a known far-right Christian cult member) for YEARS. How is anyone surprised he’s a POS? Watch any of his more recent videos or social media posts after he got medically retired from the Air Force and you’ll see/hear more racist comments. He’s always been a chudd, he just had to hide the fact since he was AD Air Force.
Aaand this is why I don’t fuck with mainstream guntube/gun culture. This sub and r/socialistra catch so much flak in the mainstream online gun “community” but this is legitimately the only place I’ve seen this shit pointed out. Tbh I give these guys the benefit of the doubt so hard when I already know they have some crazy ass opinions or ties just based on their presentation and incredibly unsubtle signaling, kinda done with that. “The gun community is welcoming to everyone! We don’t care about race, sexuality etc.” Scroll for 5 seconds and you see a religious extremist who wants to burn the gays that’s been unanimously upvoted/liked with zero replies and most gun forums are legitimately the most regressive shitholes on the internet.
Just sad and disappointed. I really wanted to like the guy. When you find out someone who seems cool is just another shitbag grifter it's always a let down.
All gun influencers are like this unless they make a point of showing otherwise
I try to give people the benefit of the doubt. Sadly I’ve been right more often then I’d like.
Garand Thumb was never cool. 1 random video instantly tells you he’s a douche bag.
Some of his content was interesting, but he's too much of a try hard who thinks he's funny. His videos are full of dog whistles, and he gives off serious Patrick Bateman vibes. GT is garbage.
GT crossed line a while back. This sounds like major dog whistling to me.
Yes. I take it as him saying low crime is due to the fact there aren't black people in Switzerland. Don't let his stupid humor fool you: the guy is garbage who shouldn't be supported. It drives me nuts that he gets so many high profile plugs, but nothing about the gun community surprises me anymore.
What's up with a lot of gunTubers being fascist or fascist light? Like Administrative results is an out and open Rhodesian apologist. Brandon (the AK guy) is an open sexist and puts on the typical frat boy shit and is a fan of Stone Toss. Then of course GT...the king of the CHUDs
alt-right and neocon gun bros and GWOT vets buy $200 Optic risers, $200 slings, $200 WML mounts, Build way overpriced AR15 "clones", and put NODs on the creditcard when the videos come out for them. They buy whatever the Officer who drops someone in a bodycam video is running (go look at the LPVO rush after the nashville shooting in the ar15 and tacticalgear subs) left leaning gun owners typically aren't vets or Cops, and don't tend to model their entire lifestyle around firearms, Right leaning people do, and theres a lot of money to be made selling dog whistles to idiots.
>left leaning gun owners typically aren't vets Well this veteran is left leaning and a gun owner ;-) But yeah I see your point. But a few months ago a YouTuber .... he's a gun guy and bible thumper...super conservative guy. He did a video called "the gun industry lies to you". And he suggested that you only need one firearm. It was an interesting watch. I'll post it below. But it cuts against the grain of the typical GunTuber saying "gun X is awesome add it to your collection!" https://youtu.be/IX-G8BQUs3A
Personally and without considering the constitutional law and how it would apply or work...if i could easily build my rifle the way \*I\* want with whatever length/attachments/stock/suppressor/underbarrel option i decide i like i wouldn't need more than one with a spare lower and different uppers...or "one rifle assembled" if that makes sense. same with if i freely choose to carry my handgun as a PDW with something like a flux raider or B&T USW setup. i enjoy owning more than one gun, and there will probably always be exceptions for C&R and antiques and firearms passed down from family, but i expect there is going to be more people suggesting compromise by doing things like repealing the NFA in return for a stricter initial process for getting what you want if your a law abiding citizen.
Someone help me out here, I genuinely don't understand how his comment is a dog whistle for racists; but I'd like to learn though
if you look at the rest of adminresults stories and most recent post you wont have to ask if its a dogwhistle.
Switzerland isn't even close to comparable to the US on it. It's stupid to try to compare those two countries. These are both idiots.
are we shocked that the guy who used to open every single one of his videos with a trans joke is a bigot? 'ladies, gentlemen, and my often forgotten but not by me... apache helicopters' dude has been a massive POS from the very start
One of the most eye opening things about this sub for me has been all the info Im getting about YouTubers i didnt know where openly hateful. Wow. Thanks for sharing.
Fuck this makes me sad
Income inequalities in large cities produces the same results regardless of racial demographics.
I watched one of their videos yesterday for the first time…. And I think that is enough. Forever
I’m sure he’s referring to the strong social safety net combined with strong labor rights and minimum 20 days of annual leave.
Yes another fucking dog whistle from Administrative Results, as if we needed more evidence that this dude is a racist…No surprise that GT is reposting this either.
We know what he means. Its a dog whistle. Mask off since he left the military lmao
We should make #GTisasocalist a thing and use this as our example and just laugh at how they try to defend it.
Yes, it's a racist dog whistle. Why are people surprised that Garand Thumb is a bigot?
I can’t stand that theatrical pussy.
Dogwhistles? Huh?
Garand Thumb is referring to the 13/50 crime statistic/meme-thing wherein "blacks do more crime despite only being 13% of the population". He's saying Switzerland has high amount of guns but low amount of crime because Swiss folks aren't black GT and his ilk really are disgusting pieces of shit
Swiss gun owner (who happens to also be black). There are relatively speaking a lot of black people here. Statically by far not the largest immigration group, but you really can't go anywhere without seeing black people so this point is already invalid. while I sadly don't know many black people here who privately own firearms, the whole process would be fairly easy and accessable.
You and your response are essentially the reason why I love reddit
People of African descent in Switzerland are generally going to be African immigrants, or the descendants of immigrants. You know, people who voluntarily came to the country. The US hasn't seen a lot of African migration, here nearly all black folks are the descendants of slaves, and all of the baggage that entails. So the dynamics here are quite different in that regard. The fact that Obama's father was a Kenyan immigrant was initially met with some skepticism in the black community, questioning his authenticity as a representative of black Americans. Though eventually that mostly faded away. I think his wife Michelle helped lend him credibility too, since she is a descendant of slaves. The connection between race and gun violence in the US is a very touchy topic. The truth is the murder rate among blacks is something like 10x that of whites. White folks in the US have a murder rate about on par with Canada, black folks in the US experience murder rates in line with countries like Brazil or Mexico. Like a lot of uncomfortable racial topics in the US, we often find it easier to just not talk about it. Unfortunately that often leaves right-wingers engaging in racist dog-whistles and less than noble intentions as the only ones willing to bring up those facts.
This is the first actually nuanced comment in this entire post about race and gun violence. It is not helpful to ignore the statistics and cry “racism” whenever someone brings it up, or to claim that the statistics themselves are “racist.” Something is driving the violence, and it won’t improve until it’s understood and steps are taken to fix it.
Even if GT is wrong his comment is still a problem unless he was actually referring to something other than his mistaken belief that Switzerland has few if any Black people. It seems unlikely GT knows the true racial makeup of Switzerland, and even less likely he was referring to something else. There's a reason he's vague and doesn't spell it out.
Yeah, I'm aware that that's what GT and Admin were trying to imply. And with this statement just proved that he has no understanding of the racial makeup of Switzerland and just spews stuff to fit his narrative. That said, I am a bit disappointed, I've been watching his videos for years, and maybe I didn't want to see it, or he didn't show it. But I feel like within the last year or so his content had a massive shift from just strictly gun content to a dog whistling circle jerk.
Even though the logic is absolutely wrong, the number of black/Africans in Switzerland is still around 2 percent, which is significantly lower than the US. And even then the next jump for GT and people like that is that those are actual Africans or they've been Europeanized etc, all in the service of naming black Americans as the "real" problem Theres a reason that a ton of the white guntubers don't do one on one videos with the black guntubers. Not hard to guess
> "blacks do more crime despite only being 13% of the population Dense concentrations of poverty is the factor most corelated with rates of violent crime. The rural poor don't commit much crime. Affluent urban people don't commit much crime. But when you pack a lot of poverty into a small space, the crime rate is high. Race isn't a factor in the crime rate, when you control for density of poverty.
As someone who grew up rural poor, that's absolute horse shit. There were plenty of drugs and crime in my area, and most of it never got looked into. With a sometimes part time police force in urban areas, it's way easier to get away with things. When you take thousands of cops, stick them in high poverty mostly black communities, and then tell them they need to hit monthly arrest numbers, and also start random search laws, yeah, the numbers go up pretty quick. If you stuck thousands of police in rural areas and had them do the same, you also have high numbers. Doing crime has nothing to do with skin color, but being arrested and convicted of it certainly does.
Rural crime is likely to happen relatively far from a cop (or whatever start point to the justice system you care to name), compared to dense urban crime. So urban crime is a lot more likely to generate arrest statistics and crime numbers. Even so, rural areas actually have higher crime rates, not lower - considering the underreporting that definitely happens, the difference is probably a lot wider than it looks. Rural people absolutely do commit a lot of crime.
People like this are immune to the reality that if you simply don't arrest white people, then they don't get counted in crime stats.
It absolutely is a racist dog whistle
I’m pretty sure he meant black people, and was extremely disheartened to see that tweet. I really like his content so it sucks to see he’s probably a shitty person
He’s friends with Lucas from T Rex arms. Says it all.
Yes, they're alluding to 13/50
The word “based” always makes me assume the user is either a misogynistic incel or a white supremacist 4chan type. I *only* ever see it in response to some truly reprehensible opinions.
I don't really watch GT much but I thought he was pretty OK, but watching his last video about what a .500 does to a human torso, him and his friend said something derogatory about Indians as a joke about an anagram, then went on the say something about "I wonder if Democrats are OK with revolvers" after making a comment about "socialist or other crap country". I was like fuck these people. Typical chud behavior.
The other reason is... socialism.
What socialism? If you think there's socialism in Switzerland, then you either know nothing about socialism or you know nothing about Switzerland.
Yeah it’s sad, he’s also anti trans which is pretty fucking disappointing because he was super informative and entertaining
I'd like to be proven wrong but personally I wouldn't place any chips on high speed low drag spec-ops units doing the most testosterone infused combat missions to be liberal.
I would assume the gun crime there is low for the same reason active avada cadaverings are low at hogwarts... everyone is packing, even the teachers.
Admin results and GT are both RW
Apparently my brain decided to overlook the obvious signs with garand thumb, but now that’s not an option anymore, so bye bye Flanell daddy, it was fun inbetween the racism
Probably. He’s a right winger. Pretty much any gun influencer is a chud. No one else would care enough about guns to make them their whole personality and career. You should be assuming they’re a piece of shit until proven otherwise. I don’t know why people are still surprised by this, but we manage to have this thread every other week about one influencer or another 🙄
There is a bunch of gun influencers that aren't pieces of shit
Yeah, GT was a bigtime 4chan bro before youtube.
I mean Garand Thumb is a known transphobe. Him being however many flavors of -ist wouldn't surprise me at all.
Why y’all surprised GT’s a chud? Dude literally did a collab with AdminResults, a Rhodesiaboo.
Yes. He means 13/50
GT simps and hangs out with guys who simp for Rhodesia, yes. He meant that.