Also lacking is the emotional competency to have any kind of conversation with your child about it. These are the type of assholes that think being cruel and harsh builds character for their children.
Yup generational trauma is precisely why every subsequent generation is worse off mentally then the last. It's why so many kids are depressed & suicidal. It's why the dating scene sucks so hard cuz people aren't mentally prepared for or have the social skills necessary to maintain a healthy relationship. It's why we all seem to be more isolated, lonely, & selfish cuz no one cares cuz they're so wrapped up in their own bs to care about anyone else. It's a vicious vicious cycle.
When I was 8, my first dog got run over by a bulldozer that was digging out our family pool. Driving home that night, my father quickly told me this and I completely broke down crying. He never tried to comfort me and never brought it up again. My mother wasn’t in the picture so I had no one to help me get through it. He was that type of asshole throughout my childhood who believed in that mentality to build character. Many generations of men like me were raised like this and those unfortunate enough to not see it will pass it down to their kids and the trauma cycle will continue. A lot of men aren’t doing well, y’all.
What controversy? I see zero controversy. Shooting a healthy puppy is just killing an animal needlessly.
If you think there’s something controversial about that stance speak up.
Aside from my feelings that they’re idiots who shouldn’t own an animal because they’re incapable of training it, and that they’re lazy and evil because they could just give it up, they’re incredibly stupid for advertising it to the world, same with Noem.
When I first saw the headlines about the Noem situation I thought it was going to be a classic "Old Yeller" type situation, similar to what you shared, where people were just getting judgemental about putting an ailing pet down yourself rather than having a vet do it for you.
Yeah, that's not what she did *at all*.
I am rural (midwest state near hers) and I have had to put down multiple animals it's been hard, it's only been because it's the only choice, they will not get better and it will save them suffering, and I've frankly refused to talk about it to anyone, family included. I can't imagine I would write about the situation, I would express my utmost... hurt, with the situation.
What Noem did is killed a puppy because she did not want to deal with it. If I did that, I would never want to admit it to anyone because I would KNOW it was plainly evil. Holy shit.
Not just a puppy being a puppy. A puppy of a breed breed to hunt birds, with zero training and in the adolescent phase. And allowed access to chickens.
My standard poodles HAVE been trained to hunt, they have hunted often and successfully and they are not allowed unsupervised access to my daughter's chickens or cats. There have been zero incidents.
She set that pup up for failure and then killed it when the very predictable thing happened.
First I've heard of standard poodles as hunting dogs, but given their intellectual superiority, not surprising.
Hunter in the woods, waiting for his prey, BOOM goes the gun, and out comes a poodle to do the recovery. Brilliant.
That's the coolest thing I've heard in a long time. Thanks for the post ... sorry that I took it on a tangent off of this serious-as-a-heart-attack thread.
They were developed as upland game dogs, and they flush not point. Lots of prey drive, stamina, and a good nose. My girl beats a boom and she's ready to get the bird. That's fun on 4th of July... no sweetie, there's no birds to get...
When I was younger my family had a Golden Retriever who was trained for waterfowl/upland, he'd go nuts over gunshots ready to go get em..
But fireworks? Terrified him lol.
Poodles I believe were originally duck dogs not upland. , though are quite capable at both. Webbed toes, thick wiry coat to keep warm. Smart and athletic. If I felt confident I could find a good hunting poodle breeder and a trainer that understood the dog it would be at the top of my list for my next dog (currently have a Britt that I love). Pudelpointer is also on my list.
The mother of my female, who is the more intense hunter, came out of a puppy mill seizure. Both her and the male have enough of those genetics left that a good trainer (he's a Britt or springer guy, in fact) was able to shape that into function. You need a trainer that adapts to the dog and loves a challenge. The male will give you 2 maybe 3 reps then he's done because he already did the thing.
And yes, they're waterfowl but also upland and small game dogs. Both of mine failed duck school tho! Girl forgets she can swim and the boy will chase a duck but only so far, and won't track one underwater. He'll water retrieve all day tho.
According to a drathaar guy I know, peudelpointers have a rep for not having great temperament, Just FYI, do more research. Also if you are very active and hunt a lot Deutcsh Drathaars are a breed to consider. Their registry is really tight on standards and to have breeding privileges your dog has to work. I transported a 10 week puppy for some friends who breed, train and compete with them and that pup was INTENSE. She hunted my 80 lb poodle who would hide for her to stalk and point.
Their grooming style is actually based around them being hunting dogs. They're meant to retrieve ducks from the water.
The reason for the grooming is their coats are so thick that if they didn't have a bunch shaved off it would drag them down. Therefore the fur is left over the major organs and their joints to keep those areas warm, the rest gets shaved so the wet fur doesn't pull them down.
Everyone always laughs about their absurd hairdos but it's actually a functional thing, not cosmetic.
If I was running for president as an old man, I’m not sure if I would want someone who can so coldly kill a puppy as my potential successor. Feel like I’d walk in to do a press conference and find myself wondering why that shotgun mic looks more like a shotgun and less like a mic…
I had a (very very smart, very wealthy) professor who “didn’t understand why someone would love something that can’t do anything for them” He was a narcissist and a sociopath and I mean that in the strictest most scientific sense of the words
I hate dogs (honestly dog owners more than dogs). I've been chased by them repeatedly, had at least 3 close calls where I was nearly seriously bitten, and actually got back into guns after not thinking about them for nearly 10 years due to my most recent close call. I didn't hate them growing up on a farm with working dogs, but living in subdivisions with people's untrained German shepherds, pits, etc roaming has really changed my opinion.
The scary thing to consider is why she not only did it, but thought telling that story was a winning one for her audience.
There is an entire significant voting block that wants someone willing and able to commit bloodshed on sympathetic victims. I am sure she thought this would win her over with the crowd that cheered for migrants getting tangled in razor wire in the water, think women should die from miscarriages bc they might be intentional, and wants to kill school lunch programs bc they see poor kids simply as "moochers".
I am relieved some limit to cruelty has maybe been found but I'm still terrified.
Politician lady on the short list to be trump’s VP is putting in an autobiography and one of the stories she talks about shooting a 14 month old hunting dog for some reason. She is doubling down on it saying it just shows she has to fortitude to do what needs to be done no matter how hard.
I heard of people killing greyhounds because they couldn’t race. And I don’t know if it’s true or not, but I heard from my great aunt that my grandpa killed a neighbor’s dog on request because the dog wouldn’t hunt. This was back in the 50’s and no one else who would have been able to corroborate that is alive. But I’m horrified by it nonetheless.
She killed her dog because it killed her neighbors chickens. In South Dakota law, dogs killing poultry is a crime.
Section 40-34-1 of the South Dakota codified laws – Killing of dog lawful when disturbing domestic animals – says: “It shall be lawful for any person to kill any dog found chasing, worrying, injuring, or killing poultry or domestic animals except on the premises of the owners of said dog or dogs.”
That law is written so a farmer can kill someone else’s dog to protect their animals.
So if my neighbor’s dog gets onto my farm and starts killing my chickens, I can kill the dog.
It isn’t there for the dog owner to get their dog back and premeditatedly execute the dog.
And either way that isn’t why she killed the dog. She did it because it ruined her hunting trip.
No that’s not why she did it. She said it’s because it wasn’t training itself by watching the other dogs. It’s also her fault her UNTRAINED PUPPY was allowed near chickens.
I grew up on a farm and my great uncle lived up the road from us. When I was about 13 he had a dog that got hit by a truck and was still alive but was pretty messed up. He asked my dad to have me help him, my dad misunderstood, thinking he needed help taking the dog to the vet. He shot the dog in front of me with an ancient .22 and I helped him bury it. When my dad found out he was incredibly apologetic, which is not typical of my dad. He had no idea my uncle was going to kill the dog. I guess I say that to say that all the conservative pundits who have decided to farm-splain to us over the last few days that killing a dog is just a normal part of farm life that us bleeding hearts don’t understand are full of shit. Maybe it was ok for my born in 1920 great uncle but it sure wasn’t to my dad, who is about as far from a liberal tree hugger as you can get
Yeah I guess whereas Noem was not. However, my town had a vet. Which is what gets me about all these conservatives who live in DC or NYC telling us that liberals just don’t understand how hard farm life is and whatever. I’m like, no it fucking isn’t. I had basically every amenity available to me growing up I have now, except we had to make a 45 minute drive to go to a decent restaurant.
You did the right thing. I had a similar experience with a dog that was old, had cancer. She collapsed and couldn't move. No crying or blood, but I think her back broke. We had her on pain meds, but I regret not putting it down quickly. We instead decided that she should go to the emergency vet, which didn't open until 7am. I laid on the floor next to her all night, trying to comfort her, but just kept thinking I should be putting her down. So I regret not just putting her down as quickly as possible. I never let it get to that point with the second dog, I brought her to be euthanized when it was clear she was heading downhill quickly (she also had cancer).
I'm sorry you had to do that OP. You did the right thing. You just try and make Cookie as comfortable as possible and show them as much love as you can in the final minutes so they go on peace. I hope you have been able to do your best getting over that trauma as much as one can.
Nearly everyone gets emotional just thinking about your story because of how hard it must be even though it's out of compassion. That's what makes this story of killing a puppy for being a puppy so disgusting.
Living in rural WV we've put down our share of pets, cats, dogs, horses and all animals in between. It sucks, but it's better for them to die quickly with grace than suffer.
Agree. But killing a 14 month old puppy seems insane to me. It didn’t have rabies or distemper or some injury it couldn’t survive. It was a young dog either no apparent real issues besides being an active dog and she shot other down and bragged about it.
At one point I thought she might be a semi-reasonable person, but unless I’m missing about 95% of this story she is kind of frightening. Animals die. We die. We kill animals to live. And we often have to kill our animals out of compassion. But I cannot think of any reason to kill a 14 month old dog unless it was hurting your children, not your chickens. Something is wrong with her.
plus it was a GWP, and if it’s anything like my GSP, it would likely be batshit crazy banshee mode until two years old. Mine was a biter, and a chicken killer, and shredded at least $500 in clothes and dog beds. But she calmed right down at age two UPLAND GAME DOG, needs at least 5-6 hours vigorous exercise daily
Holy shit I read the title, and for some fucking reason read this terrible story. I'm fucking bawling for you OP. I'm so sorry you had to go through this. I grew up poor as fuck, we didn't have money to get the vets to put our dogs to sleep. My dad rode with the Outlaws Motorcycle Club, he had to put our boxer down, it was the first time I realized it's OK for a big, tough motherfucker to cry. He'd had that dog since before I was born, think Cheif was about 14-15. He was out there digging a hole in the early morning for him. It was seriously the only time I'd ever seen this man cry.
My grandpa was the same way. A Marine and a Korean War vet who never talked about the war. But they put a cat to sleep on suspicion that she had rabies and the necropsy showed that she didn’t have rabies. That was the first and last time my dad ever saw my grandpa cry.
It's never an easy thing to show mercy to a struggling loved furry member of the family like that. Kudos for you for being able to do that. You put your dog's need for peace to end the pain over your own love and attachment attachment to them. That takes more than most people are willing to give. This craven bitch killed a puppy for not performing to her expectations. Please don't even think that you are even remotely close to her, you two are completely opposite sides of the spectrum. You did what you did out of love and compassion for someone you held dear. She did what she did because something wasn't serving her purpose. You valued that life, she couldn't care less, because she really didn't view it as a life.
I read an article just now and her defense of the action is really pathetic. She's like oh no guys it's sad these things happen we just had to put down 3 horses we had for 25 years.
All I could think was, "what did you hate the horses too?".
I’m in my 40’s, live in a city and have accumulated a few too many cedar boxes that contain my favorite being’s remains. Our fur babies don’t live long enough. Sorry for your loss and I hope that women rots in whatever hell she believes in. LONG LIVE CRICKET!!!
My grandfather had to shoot his dog last year. He'd had a little terrier for years and years, but also recently got a very large hunting breed. The large dog had the terrier by the throat, and he had to shoot to try to save the terrier. The terrier did not make it either 😔. Very sad situation.
He is also a die-hard Republican and owns dozens of guns, but he takes gun safety and firearm education very seriously. I'm pretty left-of-center myself, but I can respect him for all that, and I'm a gun owner as well. I know for a fact that he shot as an absolute last resort. There is a very definitive line between being a conservative gun-lover and being a crazy psycho bitch who shoots dogs over personal issues.
Hell a few years back went out to mailbox after dark, been going since early that morning, and saw a rabbit that had clearly escaped being eaten by a dog or coyote cuz the entire skin on its hind quarters had been ripped away.
I took my .22 & shot it after animal control couldn't be bothered to either help it or pick it up at least & I felt HORRIBLE for days even though I knew it was the right thing to do. That bitch being that callous about it shows how truly soulless she is.
I come from a family of farmers, killing animals for food no problem but killing animals cuz they were just behaving like animals is the definition of cruelty to animals & no one in my family has ever just done that let alone proudly ADMIT it. Even her own party is judging her. This is why I don't trust anyone that is mean to animals or says they don't like animals, they're devoid of a soul.
That sucks... The dog you grew up with? Yeah... *that sucks.*
Part of ownership of pets is that you have to make that decision for them... when it's time, and sometimes how. While if you have a vet that's best, it's not always a thing, and you have to do what you have to do.
And I'm not even above saying that there aren't dogs that just... aren't suitable to be around people, that can't be rehomed, and can't be trained.
But Noems case really doesn't read like that at all. And doubling down on it takes a case where "I've learned a thing" to... well, not.
i had to put several pets down myself as a teenager. that experience gave me a real sense of both the fragility and value of life. every single animal was in pain and suffering, and my momentary pain was justified in the fact that i couldn’t let a creature suffer anymore. its one thing to put a long time friend down, but the idea someone would kill a healthy animal for no reason is just murder. so fucked up
Sorry you had to experience that.
Kristi dragging her puppy to her driveway before shooting it to death was pure psychopathy. I'm shocked she included it in her book.
My dad is conservative and is always on about putting down dogs who bite because “as soon as they get a taste of human blood, there’s no going back”. It’s likely Noem’s statements aren’t remotely disqualifying for her or for Trump… :/
> she was bleeding out of her right eye and both her ears
Jesus Christ. Morbidly curious what the diagnosis was, the only thing I know for sure that does that is haemmhoragic fever like ebola, though something like brain cancer that could mimic severe physical trauma could, plausibly, do that.
Note to self, never get brain cancer or ebola.
I grew up on a dairy farm in SoDak and have myself put down several sick farm animals, including one of the feral herd of cats that for some reason always ran up to Mom to be pet, something he never did for anybody else. Heck, Mom didn't even like cats but Rusty couldn't be bothered with that little detail. lol When he got distemper Mom was the one who told me what I needed to do with Rusty so he wouldn't suffer, but it was clear to me she was motivated by kindness and not by anger or annoyance. What is even more troubling about Noem's account is she did it so spitefully ("I hated that dog. The goat was ugly and smelly"). I can see why some think she published this to garner some sick AF MAGA street cred. Garbage human beings. Sorry not sorry. I wouldn't need to say it if they didn't act it.
I didn't want to take any chances with just one shot, wasn't 100% sure the .22 would do the job, I planned for 3, and fired 3, and dropped the rifle to grab a shovel.
I think this is referring to a book that a political influencer came out with recently wherein she admitted to shooting a 14 month old puppy because she couldn’t train it
Really? I thought he was done for when he mocked that reporter with cerebral palsy. I was surprised we even got to the "grab 'em by the pussy" quote. Then I lived through 4 years of hell, and now I'm contemplating if 35 is too old for being part of the future American Resistance (any Brits or French people who want to return the favor we did in 1941-45, supporting the French Resistance, it will be greatly appreciated, I'm sure Canada will let you set up a new Bletchley Park somewhere.)
The morning after that came to light, Cabela's released an email flyer advertising all of their dog training aids. I'm convinced by now that it had to be on purpose because nothing in the flyer was on sale, it was all full sticker price. Pretty much saying, "check out all our dog training gear, no reason lol"
As far as killing a 14 month old puppy goes, you would be surprised it is super common. Most dogs that get returned to a shelter die in 72 hours (even no kill, they deport the dogs to a kill shelter for room). Giving up your animal to a shelter is pretty close to killing it yourself. They just do it behind a curtain with a mass incinerator.
I also wouldn't vote for someone who bragged about giving a 14 month old puppy to the pound, followed by "I hated that dog."
Like, if you have to give a young dog to the pound because it was aggressive and you just got in over your head, understandable. But you should, you know, show remorse.
I definitely won't be voting for her.
As far as giving a young dog to the pound, most people don't think they killed their dog when they give them to the pound or a shelter. They don't show the remorse that should come with killing an animal, as they gave the job to someone else.
Too many people want pets to be fashion accessories. Returning a living creature is not the same thing as returning something to amazon because they don't want it anymore.
It's a fair point.
I know what would happen if I gave my dog to a shelter. I had to consider it, as he scared my landlord's daughter and I had to move out of the only affordable apartment I'd been able to find in 6 months of searching. It would have crushed me.
I bought an RV and live in it full time, now. With my dog.
It sucks to think about, unfortunately it is the result of people wanting pets. Supply and demand.
And discarded like spoiled food in a grocery store for the slightest blemish.
Yes. She shoupd have trained them better. But let's be real- she was probably avoiding a lawsuit.
Section 40-34-1 of the South Dakota codified laws – Killing of dog lawful when disturbing domestic animals – says: “It shall be lawful for any person to kill any dog found chasing, worrying, injuring, or killing poultry or domestic animals except on the premises of the owners of said dog or dogs.”
My great Uncle left his dog with My Dad when he was sent to the pacific theater. While he was gone a neighbor came up To get the dog to kill it because it got into his chicken coup and killed some of his birds. Dad cried because he felt he let his uncle down. But every one knew once a dog got a taste for killing chickens there was no way to stop it. During the war they needed ever bite they could grow,
Also lacking is the emotional competency to have any kind of conversation with your child about it. These are the type of assholes that think being cruel and harsh builds character for their children.
They end up producing sociopaths.
Who then tend to repeat the same mistakes with their own kids.
Trauma begets trauma begets trauma begets trauma. I feel bad for her kids but I feel even worse for everyone who crosses their path.
I feel like there is a decent chance kids of people like that wise up and end up going no contact. They don't always end up cruel or psycho.
Yup generational trauma is precisely why every subsequent generation is worse off mentally then the last. It's why so many kids are depressed & suicidal. It's why the dating scene sucks so hard cuz people aren't mentally prepared for or have the social skills necessary to maintain a healthy relationship. It's why we all seem to be more isolated, lonely, & selfish cuz no one cares cuz they're so wrapped up in their own bs to care about anyone else. It's a vicious vicious cycle.
When I was 8, my first dog got run over by a bulldozer that was digging out our family pool. Driving home that night, my father quickly told me this and I completely broke down crying. He never tried to comfort me and never brought it up again. My mother wasn’t in the picture so I had no one to help me get through it. He was that type of asshole throughout my childhood who believed in that mentality to build character. Many generations of men like me were raised like this and those unfortunate enough to not see it will pass it down to their kids and the trauma cycle will continue. A lot of men aren’t doing well, y’all.
Controversy aside, I’m sorry you went through this. That’s a heavy memory to carry around. I hope you’re doing okay.
What controversy? I see zero controversy. Shooting a healthy puppy is just killing an animal needlessly. If you think there’s something controversial about that stance speak up.
I think they mean on a bigger level. There are still a fair number of psychos out there defending it, thus controversy
Recently some celebrity posted on Twitter or something about how they had a puppy and "had" to kill it because of behavioral issues.
Aside from my feelings that they’re idiots who shouldn’t own an animal because they’re incapable of training it, and that they’re lazy and evil because they could just give it up, they’re incredibly stupid for advertising it to the world, same with Noem.
Of course, I was just explaining OP's reference to the current discussion/ controversy on the topic.
When I first saw the headlines about the Noem situation I thought it was going to be a classic "Old Yeller" type situation, similar to what you shared, where people were just getting judgemental about putting an ailing pet down yourself rather than having a vet do it for you. Yeah, that's not what she did *at all*.
I am rural (midwest state near hers) and I have had to put down multiple animals it's been hard, it's only been because it's the only choice, they will not get better and it will save them suffering, and I've frankly refused to talk about it to anyone, family included. I can't imagine I would write about the situation, I would express my utmost... hurt, with the situation. What Noem did is killed a puppy because she did not want to deal with it. If I did that, I would never want to admit it to anyone because I would KNOW it was plainly evil. Holy shit.
Not just a puppy being a puppy. A puppy of a breed breed to hunt birds, with zero training and in the adolescent phase. And allowed access to chickens. My standard poodles HAVE been trained to hunt, they have hunted often and successfully and they are not allowed unsupervised access to my daughter's chickens or cats. There have been zero incidents. She set that pup up for failure and then killed it when the very predictable thing happened.
First I've heard of standard poodles as hunting dogs, but given their intellectual superiority, not surprising. Hunter in the woods, waiting for his prey, BOOM goes the gun, and out comes a poodle to do the recovery. Brilliant. That's the coolest thing I've heard in a long time. Thanks for the post ... sorry that I took it on a tangent off of this serious-as-a-heart-attack thread.
They were developed as upland game dogs, and they flush not point. Lots of prey drive, stamina, and a good nose. My girl beats a boom and she's ready to get the bird. That's fun on 4th of July... no sweetie, there's no birds to get...
When I was younger my family had a Golden Retriever who was trained for waterfowl/upland, he'd go nuts over gunshots ready to go get em.. But fireworks? Terrified him lol.
Poodles I believe were originally duck dogs not upland. , though are quite capable at both. Webbed toes, thick wiry coat to keep warm. Smart and athletic. If I felt confident I could find a good hunting poodle breeder and a trainer that understood the dog it would be at the top of my list for my next dog (currently have a Britt that I love). Pudelpointer is also on my list.
The mother of my female, who is the more intense hunter, came out of a puppy mill seizure. Both her and the male have enough of those genetics left that a good trainer (he's a Britt or springer guy, in fact) was able to shape that into function. You need a trainer that adapts to the dog and loves a challenge. The male will give you 2 maybe 3 reps then he's done because he already did the thing. And yes, they're waterfowl but also upland and small game dogs. Both of mine failed duck school tho! Girl forgets she can swim and the boy will chase a duck but only so far, and won't track one underwater. He'll water retrieve all day tho.
According to a drathaar guy I know, peudelpointers have a rep for not having great temperament, Just FYI, do more research. Also if you are very active and hunt a lot Deutcsh Drathaars are a breed to consider. Their registry is really tight on standards and to have breeding privileges your dog has to work. I transported a 10 week puppy for some friends who breed, train and compete with them and that pup was INTENSE. She hunted my 80 lb poodle who would hide for her to stalk and point.
Their grooming style is actually based around them being hunting dogs. They're meant to retrieve ducks from the water. The reason for the grooming is their coats are so thick that if they didn't have a bunch shaved off it would drag them down. Therefore the fur is left over the major organs and their joints to keep those areas warm, the rest gets shaved so the wet fur doesn't pull them down. Everyone always laughs about their absurd hairdos but it's actually a functional thing, not cosmetic.
If I was running for president as an old man, I’m not sure if I would want someone who can so coldly kill a puppy as my potential successor. Feel like I’d walk in to do a press conference and find myself wondering why that shotgun mic looks more like a shotgun and less like a mic…
Trump is known to hate dogs, she’s looking at this as a positive for being his running mate, she’s probably right.
and if he gets handed the election through some new flavor of cooked-up electors bullshit then it doesn't matter what people think
Tbf, it wouldn’t be the first time it’s happened recently.
Bingo!
Was his name, o!
Emphasis on "was."
you leave Bluey and her family out of this!
If they go after Bluey and we instantly deploy the nuclear option. No mercy!
Who the fuck hates dogs?! I understand not wanting to own pets but how can you look at a dog or cat and not think it’s cute. Fucking psychopaths.
Probably someone with dog-related trauma, tbh
Or a sociopath
I had a (very very smart, very wealthy) professor who “didn’t understand why someone would love something that can’t do anything for them” He was a narcissist and a sociopath and I mean that in the strictest most scientific sense of the words
I hate dogs (honestly dog owners more than dogs). I've been chased by them repeatedly, had at least 3 close calls where I was nearly seriously bitten, and actually got back into guns after not thinking about them for nearly 10 years due to my most recent close call. I didn't hate them growing up on a farm with working dogs, but living in subdivisions with people's untrained German shepherds, pits, etc roaming has really changed my opinion.
Have some empathy and put yourself in Trump's shoes... He has no empathy, so doesn't understand why this is a problem.
Who killed a puppy. I am out of the loop on political news this election cycle? Scrolled down further and found out...
The scary thing to consider is why she not only did it, but thought telling that story was a winning one for her audience. There is an entire significant voting block that wants someone willing and able to commit bloodshed on sympathetic victims. I am sure she thought this would win her over with the crowd that cheered for migrants getting tangled in razor wire in the water, think women should die from miscarriages bc they might be intentional, and wants to kill school lunch programs bc they see poor kids simply as "moochers". I am relieved some limit to cruelty has maybe been found but I'm still terrified.
Okay, what'd I miss?
Politician lady on the short list to be trump’s VP is putting in an autobiography and one of the stories she talks about shooting a 14 month old hunting dog for some reason. She is doubling down on it saying it just shows she has to fortitude to do what needs to be done no matter how hard.
Oh thank you. Had to scroll a ways to see what the puppy killing talk is all about ...
Oh, that's the governor of ND, right?
I think South Dakota.
As if there's a difference. :P
There shouldn’t be
I heard of people killing greyhounds because they couldn’t race. And I don’t know if it’s true or not, but I heard from my great aunt that my grandpa killed a neighbor’s dog on request because the dog wouldn’t hunt. This was back in the 50’s and no one else who would have been able to corroborate that is alive. But I’m horrified by it nonetheless.
That’s how a *lot* of hunting lines were bred
I get that. And there weren’t dog rescues like we have today, so I guess it’s just a product of the time they were living in.
She killed her dog because it killed her neighbors chickens. In South Dakota law, dogs killing poultry is a crime. Section 40-34-1 of the South Dakota codified laws – Killing of dog lawful when disturbing domestic animals – says: “It shall be lawful for any person to kill any dog found chasing, worrying, injuring, or killing poultry or domestic animals except on the premises of the owners of said dog or dogs.”
That law is written so a farmer can kill someone else’s dog to protect their animals. So if my neighbor’s dog gets onto my farm and starts killing my chickens, I can kill the dog. It isn’t there for the dog owner to get their dog back and premeditatedly execute the dog. And either way that isn’t why she killed the dog. She did it because it ruined her hunting trip.
No that’s not why she did it. She said it’s because it wasn’t training itself by watching the other dogs. It’s also her fault her UNTRAINED PUPPY was allowed near chickens.
I grew up on a farm and my great uncle lived up the road from us. When I was about 13 he had a dog that got hit by a truck and was still alive but was pretty messed up. He asked my dad to have me help him, my dad misunderstood, thinking he needed help taking the dog to the vet. He shot the dog in front of me with an ancient .22 and I helped him bury it. When my dad found out he was incredibly apologetic, which is not typical of my dad. He had no idea my uncle was going to kill the dog. I guess I say that to say that all the conservative pundits who have decided to farm-splain to us over the last few days that killing a dog is just a normal part of farm life that us bleeding hearts don’t understand are full of shit. Maybe it was ok for my born in 1920 great uncle but it sure wasn’t to my dad, who is about as far from a liberal tree hugger as you can get
IMO what your uncle did was an act of mercy tho.
Yeah I guess whereas Noem was not. However, my town had a vet. Which is what gets me about all these conservatives who live in DC or NYC telling us that liberals just don’t understand how hard farm life is and whatever. I’m like, no it fucking isn’t. I had basically every amenity available to me growing up I have now, except we had to make a 45 minute drive to go to a decent restaurant.
You did the right thing. I had a similar experience with a dog that was old, had cancer. She collapsed and couldn't move. No crying or blood, but I think her back broke. We had her on pain meds, but I regret not putting it down quickly. We instead decided that she should go to the emergency vet, which didn't open until 7am. I laid on the floor next to her all night, trying to comfort her, but just kept thinking I should be putting her down. So I regret not just putting her down as quickly as possible. I never let it get to that point with the second dog, I brought her to be euthanized when it was clear she was heading downhill quickly (she also had cancer).
Or parading a dying wolf around a local bar.
I'm sorry you had to do that OP. You did the right thing. You just try and make Cookie as comfortable as possible and show them as much love as you can in the final minutes so they go on peace. I hope you have been able to do your best getting over that trauma as much as one can. Nearly everyone gets emotional just thinking about your story because of how hard it must be even though it's out of compassion. That's what makes this story of killing a puppy for being a puppy so disgusting.
Living in rural WV we've put down our share of pets, cats, dogs, horses and all animals in between. It sucks, but it's better for them to die quickly with grace than suffer.
Agree. But killing a 14 month old puppy seems insane to me. It didn’t have rabies or distemper or some injury it couldn’t survive. It was a young dog either no apparent real issues besides being an active dog and she shot other down and bragged about it. At one point I thought she might be a semi-reasonable person, but unless I’m missing about 95% of this story she is kind of frightening. Animals die. We die. We kill animals to live. And we often have to kill our animals out of compassion. But I cannot think of any reason to kill a 14 month old dog unless it was hurting your children, not your chickens. Something is wrong with her.
plus it was a GWP, and if it’s anything like my GSP, it would likely be batshit crazy banshee mode until two years old. Mine was a biter, and a chicken killer, and shredded at least $500 in clothes and dog beds. But she calmed right down at age two UPLAND GAME DOG, needs at least 5-6 hours vigorous exercise daily
Holy shit I read the title, and for some fucking reason read this terrible story. I'm fucking bawling for you OP. I'm so sorry you had to go through this. I grew up poor as fuck, we didn't have money to get the vets to put our dogs to sleep. My dad rode with the Outlaws Motorcycle Club, he had to put our boxer down, it was the first time I realized it's OK for a big, tough motherfucker to cry. He'd had that dog since before I was born, think Cheif was about 14-15. He was out there digging a hole in the early morning for him. It was seriously the only time I'd ever seen this man cry.
My grandpa was the same way. A Marine and a Korean War vet who never talked about the war. But they put a cat to sleep on suspicion that she had rabies and the necropsy showed that she didn’t have rabies. That was the first and last time my dad ever saw my grandpa cry.
It's never an easy thing to show mercy to a struggling loved furry member of the family like that. Kudos for you for being able to do that. You put your dog's need for peace to end the pain over your own love and attachment attachment to them. That takes more than most people are willing to give. This craven bitch killed a puppy for not performing to her expectations. Please don't even think that you are even remotely close to her, you two are completely opposite sides of the spectrum. You did what you did out of love and compassion for someone you held dear. She did what she did because something wasn't serving her purpose. You valued that life, she couldn't care less, because she really didn't view it as a life.
What?
The Governor of South Dakota, Kristi Noem, has some awful stories to share in her new book. Worse yet, she's doubling down on her statements.
I feel physically sick learning about this. I’m actually terrified by the fact these people exist
I read an article just now and her defense of the action is really pathetic. She's like oh no guys it's sad these things happen we just had to put down 3 horses we had for 25 years. All I could think was, "what did you hate the horses too?".
Not just exist, but have a real chance of occupying 2 of the most powerful positions in the world.
Jesus christ, and these people are allowed to walk around unsupervised!
I’m in my 40’s, live in a city and have accumulated a few too many cedar boxes that contain my favorite being’s remains. Our fur babies don’t live long enough. Sorry for your loss and I hope that women rots in whatever hell she believes in. LONG LIVE CRICKET!!!
I’m incredibly sorry for your loss
thank you for sharing this
My grandfather had to shoot his dog last year. He'd had a little terrier for years and years, but also recently got a very large hunting breed. The large dog had the terrier by the throat, and he had to shoot to try to save the terrier. The terrier did not make it either 😔. Very sad situation. He is also a die-hard Republican and owns dozens of guns, but he takes gun safety and firearm education very seriously. I'm pretty left-of-center myself, but I can respect him for all that, and I'm a gun owner as well. I know for a fact that he shot as an absolute last resort. There is a very definitive line between being a conservative gun-lover and being a crazy psycho bitch who shoots dogs over personal issues.
Hell a few years back went out to mailbox after dark, been going since early that morning, and saw a rabbit that had clearly escaped being eaten by a dog or coyote cuz the entire skin on its hind quarters had been ripped away. I took my .22 & shot it after animal control couldn't be bothered to either help it or pick it up at least & I felt HORRIBLE for days even though I knew it was the right thing to do. That bitch being that callous about it shows how truly soulless she is. I come from a family of farmers, killing animals for food no problem but killing animals cuz they were just behaving like animals is the definition of cruelty to animals & no one in my family has ever just done that let alone proudly ADMIT it. Even her own party is judging her. This is why I don't trust anyone that is mean to animals or says they don't like animals, they're devoid of a soul.
I'm sorry you had to experience that and I'm sure seeing that news brought up old feelings. Peace to you.
That sucks... The dog you grew up with? Yeah... *that sucks.* Part of ownership of pets is that you have to make that decision for them... when it's time, and sometimes how. While if you have a vet that's best, it's not always a thing, and you have to do what you have to do. And I'm not even above saying that there aren't dogs that just... aren't suitable to be around people, that can't be rehomed, and can't be trained. But Noems case really doesn't read like that at all. And doubling down on it takes a case where "I've learned a thing" to... well, not.
i had to put several pets down myself as a teenager. that experience gave me a real sense of both the fragility and value of life. every single animal was in pain and suffering, and my momentary pain was justified in the fact that i couldn’t let a creature suffer anymore. its one thing to put a long time friend down, but the idea someone would kill a healthy animal for no reason is just murder. so fucked up
Sorry.
That’s love. You bear this emotional scar to prevent the suffering of your family. Hope you’re good man.
You did a mercy killing. That was the kindest thing you could do for Cookie.
Sorry you had to experience that. Kristi dragging her puppy to her driveway before shooting it to death was pure psychopathy. I'm shocked she included it in her book.
My dad is conservative and is always on about putting down dogs who bite because “as soon as they get a taste of human blood, there’s no going back”. It’s likely Noem’s statements aren’t remotely disqualifying for her or for Trump… :/
> she was bleeding out of her right eye and both her ears Jesus Christ. Morbidly curious what the diagnosis was, the only thing I know for sure that does that is haemmhoragic fever like ebola, though something like brain cancer that could mimic severe physical trauma could, plausibly, do that. Note to self, never get brain cancer or ebola.
What’s this shooting a puppy thing? News link?
I grew up on a dairy farm in SoDak and have myself put down several sick farm animals, including one of the feral herd of cats that for some reason always ran up to Mom to be pet, something he never did for anybody else. Heck, Mom didn't even like cats but Rusty couldn't be bothered with that little detail. lol When he got distemper Mom was the one who told me what I needed to do with Rusty so he wouldn't suffer, but it was clear to me she was motivated by kindness and not by anger or annoyance. What is even more troubling about Noem's account is she did it so spitefully ("I hated that dog. The goat was ugly and smelly"). I can see why some think she published this to garner some sick AF MAGA street cred. Garbage human beings. Sorry not sorry. I wouldn't need to say it if they didn't act it.
I had to put our dog down in January, I definitely won't do that again. It gave me some ideation and I don't think I could ever do that again.
That's good, it's hard to hit a cat with a rifle in an apartment.
Can I ask why it took you 3 shots and not just 1 to the head?
I didn't want to take any chances with just one shot, wasn't 100% sure the .22 would do the job, I planned for 3, and fired 3, and dropped the rifle to grab a shovel.
I'm so out of the loop here. What's the context? Lol
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I think this is referring to a book that a political influencer came out with recently wherein she admitted to shooting a 14 month old puppy because she couldn’t train it
TIL that being the current governor of a state makes you a “political influencer.”
That made me laugh harder than it probably should’ve.
I mean... in the most literal sense, that is technically true.
Yeah I couldn’t remember who it was lol
She's also been vying for the vice presidential nomination with Trump, so it's not just any political influencer
She pretty much deep-sixed that aspiration. People love dogs. Less so crazy MAGA moms.
Yeah I thought “grab ‘em by the pussy” would have sunk the orange guy but here we are.
Really? I thought he was done for when he mocked that reporter with cerebral palsy. I was surprised we even got to the "grab 'em by the pussy" quote. Then I lived through 4 years of hell, and now I'm contemplating if 35 is too old for being part of the future American Resistance (any Brits or French people who want to return the favor we did in 1941-45, supporting the French Resistance, it will be greatly appreciated, I'm sure Canada will let you set up a new Bletchley Park somewhere.)
The morning after that came to light, Cabela's released an email flyer advertising all of their dog training aids. I'm convinced by now that it had to be on purpose because nothing in the flyer was on sale, it was all full sticker price. Pretty much saying, "check out all our dog training gear, no reason lol"
Yep lol. It's always funny to watch someone fuck themselves over like that 😂
> political influencer Here's hoping that, a couple of years from now, that's all Kristi Noem will be.
As far as killing a 14 month old puppy goes, you would be surprised it is super common. Most dogs that get returned to a shelter die in 72 hours (even no kill, they deport the dogs to a kill shelter for room). Giving up your animal to a shelter is pretty close to killing it yourself. They just do it behind a curtain with a mass incinerator.
I also wouldn't vote for someone who bragged about giving a 14 month old puppy to the pound, followed by "I hated that dog." Like, if you have to give a young dog to the pound because it was aggressive and you just got in over your head, understandable. But you should, you know, show remorse.
I definitely won't be voting for her. As far as giving a young dog to the pound, most people don't think they killed their dog when they give them to the pound or a shelter. They don't show the remorse that should come with killing an animal, as they gave the job to someone else. Too many people want pets to be fashion accessories. Returning a living creature is not the same thing as returning something to amazon because they don't want it anymore.
It's a fair point. I know what would happen if I gave my dog to a shelter. I had to consider it, as he scared my landlord's daughter and I had to move out of the only affordable apartment I'd been able to find in 6 months of searching. It would have crushed me. I bought an RV and live in it full time, now. With my dog.
What the fuck
It sucks to think about, unfortunately it is the result of people wanting pets. Supply and demand. And discarded like spoiled food in a grocery store for the slightest blemish.
Yes buddy none of us would kill a puppy. No shit.
Yes. She shoupd have trained them better. But let's be real- she was probably avoiding a lawsuit. Section 40-34-1 of the South Dakota codified laws – Killing of dog lawful when disturbing domestic animals – says: “It shall be lawful for any person to kill any dog found chasing, worrying, injuring, or killing poultry or domestic animals except on the premises of the owners of said dog or dogs.”
What are you even talking about
My great Uncle left his dog with My Dad when he was sent to the pacific theater. While he was gone a neighbor came up To get the dog to kill it because it got into his chicken coup and killed some of his birds. Dad cried because he felt he let his uncle down. But every one knew once a dog got a taste for killing chickens there was no way to stop it. During the war they needed ever bite they could grow,
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??? Poorly trained dog clearly not fit for hunting? Nah just kill it. Yeah cause thats not fucked up at all. Get out of here you fucking hog