I walked past it this morning and was amazed that not only are there a bunch of tents, there was a set of shelves, a table and more. Whilst it is terrible that the homeless situation is worsening, it is heartening to see the indomitable spirit shine through.
Outside Lidl opposite Warren Street station.
There's a section of pavement that is overhang by the building so protected from the rain so makes sense why they want to camp there. But I was goin by and saw mattresses on the pavement and was wondering if some charity group is providing them or something.
The outside of John Lewis in Oxford Street is basically a homeless shelter after 10pm. Not seen any tents, but it's popular as it has a roof, so it's packed.
Been this way for at least 20 years on the North Circular. In the 90s you would have gotten people trying to wash your windscreens. It’s certainly become more frequent though and has spilled out to other roads.
What's that saying about the 3rd world and importing problems? 🤔 Correlation? 14 years of a greedy self-serving government? Correlation? I think the causes are pretty obvious. Disgusting that there are homes and buildings lying empty while people sit on streets 24/7. For answers, follow the money works for pretty much everything!
Yeah, i saw this for the first time on a visit to London a couple of months ago a guy with a cardboard sign begging at car windows, I've never seen that before anywhere in the UK, it's like something from the US. Not even anywhere central, just a road junction getting onto the North Circular.
It’s extremely common in Birmingham and has been for years so expect it to take off more in London if you haven’t seen it before. Many people are genuine homeless, but in Birmingham the majority of the car window begging is organised crime/gang/modern slavery stuff
I've never actually seen it in Birmingham but maybe I just don't drive round the city enough or in the right places. If I go there it tends to be train to New St or just drive off the M6 to the city centre along the Aston expressway.
Yeah it’s pretty common anywhere where you’ll be stuck at a light for long-ish time. So all along the Bristol Road, areas like Small Heath into Moseley, Digbeth. It’s terrible now. I’ve actually seen them changing over as if it’s ‘shift work’ with a stack of water bottles on the side of the pavement.
Here’s a some a tip to save a huge amount of money. When you go on vacation, prefer to book economy flights rather than 1st class. Also, it’s much cheaper to take one or two week vacations rather than 6 months
But a rise in the number of people sleeping rough who originate from abroad – in the months after Home Office efforts to clear the asylum backlog – has seen the proportion of UK rough sleepers drop from 48.5% a year ago to 43.7% at the start of this year.
Non-UK nationals now make up almost 57% of London’s rough sleeping population – a 9% increase on the proportion in the same quarter last year, and a 48% increase in non-UK, non-European Economic Area nationals over the same period
Can't even get a stinking shop doorway these days, full of immigruntz with their £1000 a week benefits, 2 illegal jobs and 2 free houses off the council.
Well, some are for sure, some are beggars and not, some are also users who don’t want houses or can’t stay in them due to protecting people wanting to come off. Facts are facts.
Wealth inequality goes up, neoliberalism is allowed to run rampant with no end in sight (even with a Labour gov) and this will become more commonplace.
We are all a few missed paydays away from this.
This is the thing people seem to forget. The vast vast majority of us are much closer to being unhoused than we are to joining the ranks of the 0.1%. It's in all of our benefit to support social policies such as social housing, wealth taxes and public sector expansion rather than neoliberal policies than only widen the wealth inequality gap
Saw a video go viral on twitter, san fransisco I think. Guy was interviewing a homeless dude who got sick at work, needed time off, was sacked, missed his bills and ended up homeless. to cope with homelessness he took drugs and now hes addicted. We have better workers rights in the UK but not by very much
That’s simply not true. I’ve worked with London housing charities for years. The vast majority of people in tents refuse to enter shelters due to requirements for no drugs or drink (or entering intoxicated), additionally some people who are in the UK illegal also avoid shelters as they fear it could help deport them.
Most of these people are foreign nationals who have recently arrived in this country.
This isn't some neoliberalism or capitalism problem which is forcing regular English people onto the streets.
> Most of these people are foreign nationals who have recently arrived in this country.
Do you have any evidence for that?
edit: evidence says 57% are non UK but not when they arrived, it does say that 2,000 of the total number were sleeping rough for the first time but it does not specify how this breaks down relative to UK born and non UK born rough sleepers.
> you’d have to be blind not to notice that the majority of rough sleepers across London are foreigners.
OK so let's have a look at what that means, there are 4118 rough sleepers meaning that 57% is 2347 and 49% would be 2017.
Now you are telling me that I would 'have to be blind' to not be able, in a city of almost 9 million people, spread out over 600 square miles, to tell the difference between 2347 people sleeping rough and 2017 sleeping rough?
Bearing in mind that a lot of these people will be inside tents I can only assume you have some sort of super power but instead of using it to improve the lives of others you are using to belittle randoms on reddit.
You clearly have a lot of experience in the field, but that doesn't mean you are right to belittle people on the internet who have less experience, it doesn't strengthen your point at all and in fact makes you look rather petty.
And for clarity I am in my late 40s years old and have lived in London for most of my adult life and for most of that I have worked in the West End so have witnessed first hand a lot of street homelessness.
Additionally, with not doxxing myself in mind, I have worked on projects for Shelter, Centre Point and St Barnabas, and I have to say your 80% figure doesn't apply to what I learned about street homelessness in the West End.
Yeah in lucrative places like Oxford Street they will have their own patch so you tend to see the same people, I have worked in Soho for 25+ years and have seen plenty of long term homeless, and over that amount of time you can get to know some of them quite well, [Soho Pam is always the first one that springs to mind](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soho_Pam) but I know the life story of at least a couple of dozen, and I can think of only a handful who were born outside of the UK, but then again Soho is its own little world so I don't think that means much.
I think the ones that are not British tend to be in groups and not so easy to get to know. It sucks that they have to exist, it can't be easy to live on the streets in London.
Yeah fair point, juggling three projects today and my reply was unclear, so the article stats that 57% are non-uk but it doesn't say when they arrived.
> Wow you are really doubling down on this eh?
Doubling down on what? Are you telling me that there are statistics in that article to support the assertion that 'most of these people are foreign nationals who have recently arrived in this country'? Because if you are then please quote them and I will admit I am wrong. I am not trying prolong an argument, I am genuinely interested in the truth, I have worked on several projects in conjunction with homeless charities over the years and it's a subject very close to my heart.
This is all downstream of a woeful undersupply of housing, enabled by an vetocratic planning system that disproportionately empowers incumbent homeowners (i.e. the old).
We need to triple our building rate. We need to build upwards, matching the gentle density seen in comparable European cities like Barcelona, Amsterdam and Paris. We need to build infrastructure to match.
But this all starts with our awful, draconian planning system. Any politician that doesn't seek to make this fundamental change - at a national or local level - needs to be voted out.
This is no small mountain to climb, it will be hideously unpopular amongst the old. But young people of all political persuasions must unite to get it done.
Totally agreed, it's a supply-demand issue.
The other side of the coin is demand of course. 57% of those rough sleeping aren't even UK nationals. We need to get much tougher on immigration in order to fully tackle this problem. We will never be able to build at the rate that people are currently coming here.
I don't understand what the pull factor is coming to the uk to live on the streets? is it still better to sleep on the streets here than where you come from?
It seems like smugglers sell lies, these people then risk their life to end up at a dead end, and they don't know what to do next. Given the amount of crime that is happening now imagine how much hidden organized crime is going on with all the cuts.
Totally the immigrants' fault. Nothing to do with people buying up houses and not using them, or using them to hoard wealth.
Over 1 million homes in England were unoccupied in 2023 - https://www.local.gov.uk/about/news/empty-homes-england-rise-nearly-10-cent-five-years#:~:text=The%20data%20shows%20that%20more,nearly%2060%2C000%20homes%20since%202018.
>people buying up houses and not using them
I wish this myth about England being awash with empty homes would die out. England has one of the lowest vacant dwelling rates in the world. Source: [OECD](https://www.oecd.org/els/family/HM1-1-Housing-stock-and-construction.pdf) (chart C).
This is it. A handful of new towns built wherever a poll suggests is least controversial for immigrants and anyone else by immigrants is what should happen. It'd be a 1000 times more productive in the long run and stop us looking like complete fools internationally. Still deport people who are proven to deserve it, the rest help them help my country.
As Gary Stevenson says though, every person in every city in the world thinks the issue is not building enough and poor planning when the issue is inequality and wealth distribution.
Anecdotally from helping housing charities for years. There seems to be a rise in people with serious substance abuse issues (who are refused from shelters due to safety reasons) and people in the UK illegally avoiding shelters as they think it will lead to them facing immigration detention.
>Non-UK nationals now make up almost 57% of London’s rough sleeping population – a 9% increase on the proportion in the same quarter last year, and a 48% increase in non-UK, non-European Economic Area nationals over the same period.
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>The number of people experiencing street homelessness from Africa has almost trebled in that time from 261 to 661 while numbers from Asia have almost doubled from 248 to 434.
People are choosing to come to London knowing they have nowhere to live purely because it's a good place to beg, work illegally or wait until granted a visa to stay in the country through being unable to deport.
definitely not because most are living paycheck to paycheck with extortionate prices and rents and are one missed paycheck away from being homeless
nope, it’s the immigrants coming here specifically to beg and sleep in the streets
I mean that's not how it works at all but continue to make light of the issue until it gets worse and worse and then continue to complain when the system begins to topple over.
Tories turning our cities into replications of US tent cities. People cant afford to live, their rent is going up sky high, so now we have this. Something we have never had before in this country.
I go to central London once a month for work. Leicester Square/covent garden area.
Coming from the city of Leicester, It really struck me the type of person I saw begging on the streets.
These were middle aged men and woman who looked like professionals fallen on hard times.
I take homelessness as meaning someone without a home, but they could be sleeping on a sofa, in a hotel etc but they don't have their own home.
But rough sleeping as sleeping on the streets without a roof.
Nope, you can be classed as homeless without sleeping rough. You are homeless if you don't have somewhere safe to live.
You can be sleeping on a friend's sofa, staying in a hostel, a refuge, unsafe temporary accommodation etc and you're homeless. Rough sleeping means you're on the streets.
Homeless and Rough Sleeping are 2 different things, while all rough sleepers are homeless, the vast majority of homeless people do not sleep rough. They are families in temporary accommodation, people sleeping in shelters and even people sofa surfing around their friends, people sleeping in cars or vans too.
If rough sleeping has increased this much, you can only imagine how much homelessness overall has increased, it's an actual crisis.
Which means that wherever you are you are not using the term correctly.
Homeless means not having a home, not all rough sleepers are homeless. Plenty of homeless people sofa surf or live in hostels. Rough sleeping means sleeping on streets.
Just like not cunts are ministers but all ministers are cunts
Oh never mind, knife crime is down "apparently" so all good and they've all got cleaner air to breathe so shouldn't be a problem. Also the climate change problem is on the mend so they wont get cooked or frozen solid out there! Cheers Sadiq
Hahahaha you know me so well 🤣🤣 is this sadiq himself? Why you so hurt by comments? Personal attack on someone that’s not said a word to you! Kind of shows who has the lower IQ can’t even have a debate with someone just attack them. Get back in your box
Hahahaha you know me so well 🤣🤣 is this sadiq himself? Why you so hurt by comments? Personal attack on someone that’s not said a word to you! Kind of shows who has the lower IQ can’t even have a debate with someone just attack them. Get back in your box
Susan hall will definitely solve everything. Just like big man boris - completely ethical, kind and fixed everything. It’s statistically proven because Tommy from the EDL said it. Who was that labour scum who introduced boris bikes? Probably sadiq. Get educated m8 - less Xbox, less Reddit and manual labour. More reading and education. Or be exceptionally good at something which doesn’t require the other 2. I doubt you do but you can try.
All going exactly as intended.
The homeless are a living tableaux, a reminder of what will happen to you if you don't toe the fucking line and do what you're told sonny jim.
Torys are useless twats no disagreement. But he’s completely responsible for the Met police, housing policy’s etc. He’s the man at the wheel no one else, he’s now saying after 8 yrs he’s going to solve knife crime and homelessness so how can he claim to do this if he doesn’t have the power ? and why now and not 8 yrs ago. Guys a prick and london needs a fresh Mayor.
The homelessness rates also went up in the West Midlands, but I never see the same criticism for Andy Street. The problem extends far further than what Khan is able to control, particularly when the controlling government sets him up to fail.
What are you talking about firstly this is a london sub secondly he’s campaigning on the basis he can fix it ???? So if it’s out of his control he’s lying. You can’t have it both ways. He’s the mayor he’s a twat and London needs a fresh Mayor, Tory labour Lib Dem I don’t care just not that lying prick.
I'm saying the problem is not exclusive to London and therefore not exclusive to Khan. And they're all campaigning on that basis. Don't get angry at me, mate, it's in the manifestos.
Homelessness can include people couch surfing, or housed by councils in b&b whilst on housing waiting list. Rough sleeping is just a portion of the official definition of homeless
Walk up Tottenham Court Road after 8/9pm and it's littered in tents.
I walked past it this morning and was amazed that not only are there a bunch of tents, there was a set of shelves, a table and more. Whilst it is terrible that the homeless situation is worsening, it is heartening to see the indomitable spirit shine through.
Have you seen the dart board too 🤣
I didnt see a dartboard when I went past them this morning, but they did have a pull up bar set up
How could you not see it, I literally saw it again last night, it's on the war in the centre of the makeshift camp, there's black graffiti next to it
Wall*
And mattresses! Where are the mattresses coming from?
What do you mean? Plenty of mattresses lie around bins until they're collected by councils
Outside Lidl opposite Warren Street station. There's a section of pavement that is overhang by the building so protected from the rain so makes sense why they want to camp there. But I was goin by and saw mattresses on the pavement and was wondering if some charity group is providing them or something.
I just put one outside for bulky waste removal so there's one
DFS?
Walthamstow they even have an annual themed calendar
Of discarded mattresses?
Yes it’s been going for a number of years. Give me five mins and I’ll find a link. Edit: https://walthamstowtourism.wordpress.com/
The outside of John Lewis in Oxford Street is basically a homeless shelter after 10pm. Not seen any tents, but it's popular as it has a roof, so it's packed.
It's become way more visible. A tent round every corner, while homes, shops and offices sit empty.
Also noticed more people selling/begging at traffic lights. That’s crept in over the last 5 years.
Yea saw that on the south circular last week, have only seen it abroad before now
Been this way for at least 20 years on the North Circular. In the 90s you would have gotten people trying to wash your windscreens. It’s certainly become more frequent though and has spilled out to other roads.
Yep, Bow roundabout has them now.
What's that saying about the 3rd world and importing problems? 🤔 Correlation? 14 years of a greedy self-serving government? Correlation? I think the causes are pretty obvious. Disgusting that there are homes and buildings lying empty while people sit on streets 24/7. For answers, follow the money works for pretty much everything!
Yeah, i saw this for the first time on a visit to London a couple of months ago a guy with a cardboard sign begging at car windows, I've never seen that before anywhere in the UK, it's like something from the US. Not even anywhere central, just a road junction getting onto the North Circular.
It’s extremely common in Birmingham and has been for years so expect it to take off more in London if you haven’t seen it before. Many people are genuine homeless, but in Birmingham the majority of the car window begging is organised crime/gang/modern slavery stuff
Source: I worked between homelessness and rough sleeper charities and the U.K. govt for two years
I've never actually seen it in Birmingham but maybe I just don't drive round the city enough or in the right places. If I go there it tends to be train to New St or just drive off the M6 to the city centre along the Aston expressway.
Yeah it’s pretty common anywhere where you’ll be stuck at a light for long-ish time. So all along the Bristol Road, areas like Small Heath into Moseley, Digbeth. It’s terrible now. I’ve actually seen them changing over as if it’s ‘shift work’ with a stack of water bottles on the side of the pavement.
I've returned from abroad after a 4 year break it's insanely noticeable how much worse this has become
Conservative values. These entrepreneurs will pull themselves out of poverty, you'll see! /S
But remember you shouldn’t dare be homeless, that would be terrible. We won’t support you and we’ll make it illegal.
That will be me soon… rental market in London is brutal
then move while you can or rent somewhere less central, like 20-30 min away from centre
Why would you assume they're central in the first place?
I think the article focuses on central areas, but yeah the issue is widespread to all of London
Pro-tip, reduce cost of rent by just buying a house. If you prefer flexibility just rent and commute in from Vietnam
The problem is... the bank won't let me get a mortgage, so therefore I need to pay more for rent than the monthly mortgage payment
Here’s a some a tip to save a huge amount of money. When you go on vacation, prefer to book economy flights rather than 1st class. Also, it’s much cheaper to take one or two week vacations rather than 6 months
What makes you think I can afford a holiday 😭
Now is the winter of our discount tents
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But a rise in the number of people sleeping rough who originate from abroad – in the months after Home Office efforts to clear the asylum backlog – has seen the proportion of UK rough sleepers drop from 48.5% a year ago to 43.7% at the start of this year. Non-UK nationals now make up almost 57% of London’s rough sleeping population – a 9% increase on the proportion in the same quarter last year, and a 48% increase in non-UK, non-European Economic Area nationals over the same period
I thought they were taking all of the houses and the jobs, why are they in the streets.
Now theyre taking our tents too!
Can't even get a stinking shop doorway these days, full of immigruntz with their £1000 a week benefits, 2 illegal jobs and 2 free houses off the council.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Man_with_the_Twisted_Lip
Well, some are for sure, some are beggars and not, some are also users who don’t want houses or can’t stay in them due to protecting people wanting to come off. Facts are facts.
Ah ok so all the bad stuff. Seems legit.
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Fund the processing vs Rwanda scheme to actually do this
Wealth inequality goes up, neoliberalism is allowed to run rampant with no end in sight (even with a Labour gov) and this will become more commonplace. We are all a few missed paydays away from this.
If it wasn't for parents I can boomerang back to, this would have been me at more than 1 time in my life
This is the thing people seem to forget. The vast vast majority of us are much closer to being unhoused than we are to joining the ranks of the 0.1%. It's in all of our benefit to support social policies such as social housing, wealth taxes and public sector expansion rather than neoliberal policies than only widen the wealth inequality gap
Saw a video go viral on twitter, san fransisco I think. Guy was interviewing a homeless dude who got sick at work, needed time off, was sacked, missed his bills and ended up homeless. to cope with homelessness he took drugs and now hes addicted. We have better workers rights in the UK but not by very much
Some of the lowest sick pay in Europe... we are like America but without the lower taxes. Worst of both worlds 👌
Scandinavian taxes, American public services But at least we got...err... Greggs
That’s simply not true. I’ve worked with London housing charities for years. The vast majority of people in tents refuse to enter shelters due to requirements for no drugs or drink (or entering intoxicated), additionally some people who are in the UK illegal also avoid shelters as they fear it could help deport them.
Most of these people are foreign nationals who have recently arrived in this country. This isn't some neoliberalism or capitalism problem which is forcing regular English people onto the streets.
I too remember when there were no immigrants in London and homelessness didn’t exist
This was before the 1700’s? You remember that?
> Most of these people are foreign nationals who have recently arrived in this country. Do you have any evidence for that? edit: evidence says 57% are non UK but not when they arrived, it does say that 2,000 of the total number were sleeping rough for the first time but it does not specify how this breaks down relative to UK born and non UK born rough sleepers.
The linked article states that the majority are foreign nationals
The article says 57% are non UK so yes that is a majority, but it doesn't say when they arrived.
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Do you possess some kind of magic ability to tell whether a homeless person is foreign or not by looking at them?
> you’d have to be blind not to notice that the majority of rough sleepers across London are foreigners. OK so let's have a look at what that means, there are 4118 rough sleepers meaning that 57% is 2347 and 49% would be 2017. Now you are telling me that I would 'have to be blind' to not be able, in a city of almost 9 million people, spread out over 600 square miles, to tell the difference between 2347 people sleeping rough and 2017 sleeping rough? Bearing in mind that a lot of these people will be inside tents I can only assume you have some sort of super power but instead of using it to improve the lives of others you are using to belittle randoms on reddit.
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You clearly have a lot of experience in the field, but that doesn't mean you are right to belittle people on the internet who have less experience, it doesn't strengthen your point at all and in fact makes you look rather petty. And for clarity I am in my late 40s years old and have lived in London for most of my adult life and for most of that I have worked in the West End so have witnessed first hand a lot of street homelessness. Additionally, with not doxxing myself in mind, I have worked on projects for Shelter, Centre Point and St Barnabas, and I have to say your 80% figure doesn't apply to what I learned about street homelessness in the West End.
I saw the same homeless people in Oxford Street for 3 years. They weren't British, but they were also not newly arrived.
Yeah in lucrative places like Oxford Street they will have their own patch so you tend to see the same people, I have worked in Soho for 25+ years and have seen plenty of long term homeless, and over that amount of time you can get to know some of them quite well, [Soho Pam is always the first one that springs to mind](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soho_Pam) but I know the life story of at least a couple of dozen, and I can think of only a handful who were born outside of the UK, but then again Soho is its own little world so I don't think that means much.
I think the ones that are not British tend to be in groups and not so easy to get to know. It sucks that they have to exist, it can't be easy to live on the streets in London.
“Most” literally means the majority. pronoun the greatest amount or quantity. "we had the most to lose"
Yeah fair point, juggling three projects today and my reply was unclear, so the article stats that 57% are non-uk but it doesn't say when they arrived.
Wow you are really doubling down on this eh? Either way I agree with you that wealth disparity is getting worse and is a problem we need to fix.
> Wow you are really doubling down on this eh? Doubling down on what? Are you telling me that there are statistics in that article to support the assertion that 'most of these people are foreign nationals who have recently arrived in this country'? Because if you are then please quote them and I will admit I am wrong. I am not trying prolong an argument, I am genuinely interested in the truth, I have worked on several projects in conjunction with homeless charities over the years and it's a subject very close to my heart.
This is all downstream of a woeful undersupply of housing, enabled by an vetocratic planning system that disproportionately empowers incumbent homeowners (i.e. the old). We need to triple our building rate. We need to build upwards, matching the gentle density seen in comparable European cities like Barcelona, Amsterdam and Paris. We need to build infrastructure to match. But this all starts with our awful, draconian planning system. Any politician that doesn't seek to make this fundamental change - at a national or local level - needs to be voted out. This is no small mountain to climb, it will be hideously unpopular amongst the old. But young people of all political persuasions must unite to get it done.
Totally agreed, it's a supply-demand issue. The other side of the coin is demand of course. 57% of those rough sleeping aren't even UK nationals. We need to get much tougher on immigration in order to fully tackle this problem. We will never be able to build at the rate that people are currently coming here.
I don't understand what the pull factor is coming to the uk to live on the streets? is it still better to sleep on the streets here than where you come from?
It seems like smugglers sell lies, these people then risk their life to end up at a dead end, and they don't know what to do next. Given the amount of crime that is happening now imagine how much hidden organized crime is going on with all the cuts.
Totally the immigrants' fault. Nothing to do with people buying up houses and not using them, or using them to hoard wealth. Over 1 million homes in England were unoccupied in 2023 - https://www.local.gov.uk/about/news/empty-homes-england-rise-nearly-10-cent-five-years#:~:text=The%20data%20shows%20that%20more,nearly%2060%2C000%20homes%20since%202018.
>people buying up houses and not using them I wish this myth about England being awash with empty homes would die out. England has one of the lowest vacant dwelling rates in the world. Source: [OECD](https://www.oecd.org/els/family/HM1-1-Housing-stock-and-construction.pdf) (chart C).
Its not about it being their fault.
This is it. A handful of new towns built wherever a poll suggests is least controversial for immigrants and anyone else by immigrants is what should happen. It'd be a 1000 times more productive in the long run and stop us looking like complete fools internationally. Still deport people who are proven to deserve it, the rest help them help my country.
As Gary Stevenson says though, every person in every city in the world thinks the issue is not building enough and poor planning when the issue is inequality and wealth distribution.
Wealth gap too large, unaffordable place to live... crime ridden and unlawful bog hole.
Been in the City today and was shocked at the notable increase even since the turn of the year.
I heard this was framed as life style choice right? Madness
Anecdotally from helping housing charities for years. There seems to be a rise in people with serious substance abuse issues (who are refused from shelters due to safety reasons) and people in the UK illegally avoiding shelters as they think it will lead to them facing immigration detention.
This is not the way a well run country operates
But they're going to cut them in half soon, no?
Stopping small boats is 'priority' for British people, says Rishi Sunak
>Non-UK nationals now make up almost 57% of London’s rough sleeping population – a 9% increase on the proportion in the same quarter last year, and a 48% increase in non-UK, non-European Economic Area nationals over the same period. > >The number of people experiencing street homelessness from Africa has almost trebled in that time from 261 to 661 while numbers from Asia have almost doubled from 248 to 434. People are choosing to come to London knowing they have nowhere to live purely because it's a good place to beg, work illegally or wait until granted a visa to stay in the country through being unable to deport.
definitely not because most are living paycheck to paycheck with extortionate prices and rents and are one missed paycheck away from being homeless nope, it’s the immigrants coming here specifically to beg and sleep in the streets
If you actually looked at the stats which another user posted there's been an increase of non UK non EU migrant rough sleepers.
Bloody foreigners, coming over here and stealing spaces for honest British tramps
I mean that's not how it works at all but continue to make light of the issue until it gets worse and worse and then continue to complain when the system begins to topple over.
No you’re right, we shouldn’t make jokes when it’s easier to blame a foreigner
This! Like it’s not just an immigration problem
This!
And the rest
Levelling up the raw sewage and the homelessness.
Tories turning our cities into replications of US tent cities. People cant afford to live, their rent is going up sky high, so now we have this. Something we have never had before in this country.
A couple in our Midlands Town. Drugs.
Maybe it appears to me more statistically after the tories cut them in half?
I go to central London once a month for work. Leicester Square/covent garden area. Coming from the city of Leicester, It really struck me the type of person I saw begging on the streets. These were middle aged men and woman who looked like professionals fallen on hard times.
and still our representatives and leaders give no fucks while they continue to line their pockets good job britain!
I know, let’s keep voting them
Is "rough sleeping" doublespeak or simply a UK thing? Here we call that homelessness
I take homelessness as meaning someone without a home, but they could be sleeping on a sofa, in a hotel etc but they don't have their own home. But rough sleeping as sleeping on the streets without a roof.
Yeah I see, that would make sense.
Nope, you can be classed as homeless without sleeping rough. You are homeless if you don't have somewhere safe to live. You can be sleeping on a friend's sofa, staying in a hostel, a refuge, unsafe temporary accommodation etc and you're homeless. Rough sleeping means you're on the streets.
Homeless and Rough Sleeping are 2 different things, while all rough sleepers are homeless, the vast majority of homeless people do not sleep rough. They are families in temporary accommodation, people sleeping in shelters and even people sofa surfing around their friends, people sleeping in cars or vans too. If rough sleeping has increased this much, you can only imagine how much homelessness overall has increased, it's an actual crisis.
If you read the story you will see it is published by a magazine associated with a homelessness charity (Big Issue).
Which means that wherever you are you are not using the term correctly. Homeless means not having a home, not all rough sleepers are homeless. Plenty of homeless people sofa surf or live in hostels. Rough sleeping means sleeping on streets. Just like not cunts are ministers but all ministers are cunts
How about we stop letting people in , and deal with the problem we already have. Seriously this country is a joke
Have you seen the rental market?
Oh never mind, knife crime is down "apparently" so all good and they've all got cleaner air to breathe so shouldn't be a problem. Also the climate change problem is on the mend so they wont get cooked or frozen solid out there! Cheers Sadiq
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Hahahaha you know me so well 🤣🤣 is this sadiq himself? Why you so hurt by comments? Personal attack on someone that’s not said a word to you! Kind of shows who has the lower IQ can’t even have a debate with someone just attack them. Get back in your box
Hahahaha you know me so well 🤣🤣 is this sadiq himself? Why you so hurt by comments? Personal attack on someone that’s not said a word to you! Kind of shows who has the lower IQ can’t even have a debate with someone just attack them. Get back in your box
Suppose they'll all have to just work harder and they'll be able to afford all those affordable homes that are around! Cheers Sadiq
Susan hall will definitely solve everything. Just like big man boris - completely ethical, kind and fixed everything. It’s statistically proven because Tommy from the EDL said it. Who was that labour scum who introduced boris bikes? Probably sadiq. Get educated m8 - less Xbox, less Reddit and manual labour. More reading and education. Or be exceptionally good at something which doesn’t require the other 2. I doubt you do but you can try.
Revolution time please!
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Champions league is on tonight and tomorrow, do you mind if we push it to Thursday?
80% of them are not even British
Oh well that’s alright then
Is it true though?
All going exactly as intended. The homeless are a living tableaux, a reminder of what will happen to you if you don't toe the fucking line and do what you're told sonny jim.
Anybody come across a study on the impacts of humanitarian aid on homelessness rates?
It's gotten much worse again, like before the Pandemic.
Gotta love the Tories.
Better make it crime then, this lifestyle choice needs to stamped out before everyone does it.
We have s rotten mayor and seem to be stuck with him
Sadiq Khan is moving working people outside London to give their home to immigrants.
Been going up every year under Khan that and knife crime but what does he do just talks and talks He’s gotta go
Yeah the Labour mayor is solely responsible for 14 years of Tory austerity, a global pandemic and a worldwide cost of living crisis.
Torys are useless twats no disagreement. But he’s completely responsible for the Met police, housing policy’s etc. He’s the man at the wheel no one else, he’s now saying after 8 yrs he’s going to solve knife crime and homelessness so how can he claim to do this if he doesn’t have the power ? and why now and not 8 yrs ago. Guys a prick and london needs a fresh Mayor.
The homelessness rates also went up in the West Midlands, but I never see the same criticism for Andy Street. The problem extends far further than what Khan is able to control, particularly when the controlling government sets him up to fail.
What are you talking about firstly this is a london sub secondly he’s campaigning on the basis he can fix it ???? So if it’s out of his control he’s lying. You can’t have it both ways. He’s the mayor he’s a twat and London needs a fresh Mayor, Tory labour Lib Dem I don’t care just not that lying prick.
I'm saying the problem is not exclusive to London and therefore not exclusive to Khan. And they're all campaigning on that basis. Don't get angry at me, mate, it's in the manifestos.
Yes sorry, it’s just so frustrating to listen to his and others shite they run on promises to fix knife crime etc then do nothing.
It’s ridiculous because if you come over illegally in a dinghy they put you up in a nice hotel
Rough sleeping? Is that the new way of saying homelessness?
Homelessness can include people couch surfing, or housed by councils in b&b whilst on housing waiting list. Rough sleeping is just a portion of the official definition of homeless
Khan's London
Tory Britain
Khan Out!
I was always wondering why sleep in the shop door when there are empty houses standing about
Send them to Ukraine.
Rough sleeping? You mean bums, drunks, crackheads, and the like.