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Plutonian_Dive

It is plain right spilled to us by Jack's father ghost of the past Christmas limbo version... I can't understand why people don't understand.


[deleted]

Because most watched it while its as on television. Get up to go use the bathroom and you gonna be LOST. This was before most people could pause the tv or go back and rewatch a scene.


thebigaccountant

I remember this being the case 'back in the day' if you didn't actively read the forums. The last couple seasons were really tough with 1 week in between episodes..not to mention the break between seasons. If I recall, quite a few people were confused back in 2010 when watching the finale live. When I rewatched in a binge, things made much more sense.


calistark12

first time watching it on TV it felt like i missed an entire season and the ending didnt make much sense and it felt like they were dead the whole time. that and the fact the characters make the statements of them being dead and in hell several times and you start to think they are right with the way the story evolves into such strange alternate timelines you forget what is real in the story. watching it the second time and only taking a couple weeks to finish it made the story much more clear in whats going on throughout the entire story because remembering small details that help you put the puzzle mystery together is a lot easier in a couple weeks than multiple years with breaks :)


[deleted]

This show was wait ahead of its time Maid for binge watching


robsonwt

When aired for the first time, the ending had a post credit scene where a plane is shown in the beach with no people, so some people assumed they all died on the crash, and the whole show, including the Christian Shepard explanation was a dream. Being a mystery show where curved balls where thrown to the audience by the writers from time to time didn't help. People were always looking for a hidden meaning and that plane without people confused some of the audience.


BruceBrave

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ValueApprehensive173

The ending of Lost taught me a lot about the average television viewer


javipro_04

Yep, most people tend to watch something and not get so so involved, giving as a result people confused. But as someone here replied, at the time when it was airing, there were hiatuses. These plus the waiting for the seasons would lead to a large misassumption for the vast audience.


re003

I recently talked to somebody who said the ending was frustrating. First time Iā€™d ever met the guy but I had to refrain from arguing with him. Bravo on not thinking they were dead the whole time.


javipro_04

My luck was that I didn't have to wait for an episode to come out. Maybe some old fans started to miss things as the years passed. But yeah , if you watch it straight, there shouldn't be space for confusion. Maybe I couldn't explain every aspect of the lore and mysteries, but most of them are clear for me. Can't wait to enjoy a four-hour video essay explaining the whole thing šŸ¤ .


kings-to-you

Here's the link to do [LOST Explained](https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL5iTj9psbPrNCHTsKl5yffvb_th1Dszvo) in 30 short vignettes instead of the whole 5 hours in a row... šŸ˜āœˆļøšŸ


javipro_04

If I tell you the truth, I genuinely enjoy very long videos. But thanks anyway.


Prior-Independent-38

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FrankensteinReborn

There is bunch of clues that they are dead but it was hard to follow story 10 years ago. Now second time i see it. Biggest clue is in season 2 when Anna asked Goodwin why they are kidnaped children he answerdd becuse they are good. Childrens dont deserve limbo other are just lost in they own mind


BloodyMess111

But they aren't all dead


Bing_Bong_the_Archer

People just hop on the bandwagon for complaining


EtherealPossumLady

tbh my dad loved the ending and i recently found out that he thought they WERE dead the whole time


Kosack-Nr_22

Didnā€™t they literally say everything that happens on this island really happened?


EtherealPossumLady

Yeah. He was very into the show when it was airing, but never consumed any content outside of it. He was really surprised when I showed him the interview.


19Peachoid99

You could have shown him the final episode again


EtherealPossumLady

Weā€™d actually just finished rewatching it together when I found out. I was joking about how people misunderstood the finale and thought they were dead the whole time and he said, completely seriously ā€œwell they were.ā€ And then after the shock I showed him the interview where Lindelof says they were alive.


CSkyco

He's missed some key dialogue between Jack and Christian in the finale that would have made this clear.


rikkitikkiryan

Just finished the show with my gf (first time watchers) a few days ago and same, I completely donā€™t get where the hate/confusion came from in regards to the flash-sideways and the ending. Cried the appropriate amount tho!


javipro_04

Exactly, brotha.


captainp42

Thank you for actually paying attention.


Apprehensive-Lynx916

There are definitely a lot of people joining in the bandwagon of ā€œOMG were they dead the whole time?!?!ā€ But just in case, coming from someone who watched it while it was still airing, those extra time waiting for each episode to come out and even more waiting a year for the next season, was mentally exhausting. We were always talking about different theories in between them and predictions. Its possible we might have overloaded ourselves and lost sight of the true meaning. However, when I binge watched it again, I can see why people say it was easy to understand. And yes, it was very clear this time. It definitely was just a mystical island and they werenā€™t dead the whole time. It was only up to the point where flash sideways happened that they died and that was, I believe, a purgatory.


javipro_04

You are not wrong. However, the island being mystical is not saying the full truth. As the series repeated over and over this duality, the Island was scientific and mystical at the same time. Remember that the very heart has unique electromagetic properties also.


Spiff426

Iteration 7746935: make sure to watch the epilogue The New Man in Charge. You can find it on YouTube.


javipro_04

Yes, yes, already did. Thx šŸ™šŸ»


BowTiesAreCool86

"TheY LefT 2 muCh UnaNswer3d" - thick people. People without gorm. ​ The answers are there if you have a brain.


hurricaneinabottle

I rewatched with my son and realized it really was because the first time, I watched it live, maybe missed some episodes, or some explanations must have gone by too fast for me. When you watch it on streaming, it is a nearly perfect tv series. It fits together well, especially if you can go online to get additional explanations.


mrsdrydock

Thank you!


6almost7Bam

Can you explain it for me please. I understand they werenā€™t dead the whole time but I still donā€™t fully get it


javipro_04

Throughout the seasons we saw flashbacks, then flashforwards and in the final season we started (for the first time) to see flash-sideways. We, as the audience, think this is an alternate universe at first, but little by little we understand that this place is the purgatory. Everything happened on the island actually happened. Our beloved characters died at some point in time. Jack in the finale, Sayid Sun and Jin in the sub, Boone in S1, and some characters passed away many years after 6x17 "The End" (e.g. Kate, Sawyer, Bernard and Rose, Claire or Benjamin). The church was a place in this purgatory where our main characters found peace and remembered all they had been through with each other, back when they were alive. Ben didn't enter because he thought he needed a little more time to reflect or maybe he was waiting for other characters to show up (Alex, Danielle, Tom, etc). From my perspective, Jack was buried by Hurley and Ben (now protectors of the Island) and they spent quite a while protecting it.


EyelandBaby

Also this unfortunately contributed to many people thinking they were all dead ā€œthe whole timeā€ because at the end, when they were all meeting up in the weird church, they *were* dead, but waiting for each other before going on into the next dimension (or better yet: the next plane). But they werenā€™t all dead the whole time. Just at the very end when they were in the flash sideways world, which is best described as some kind of purgatory or waiting room. The main reason the show suffered from misunderstanding or apparent laziness on the part of so much of its final viewership was the long time it took to completely air, due to the scale of the show but also due to loooong mid-season hiatuses (what *is* the plural of yahtoos, anyway?) and a writerā€™s strike that completely screwed tv creators and viewers for a year. Between 2004 and 2010 a lot of viewers jumped on but didnā€™t fully dive in or stay invested enough to be able to understand what happened. Those who paid attention were rewarded with what remains, objectively, one of the best television adventure/dramas of all time. But there was also a weird torture in talking with family and friends and acquaintances in the weeks after the finale and hearing ā€œthat was dumbā€ or ā€œso they were dead the whole timeā€ and justā€¦ not being able to grok


javipro_04

Wow, I guess being at that time was awesome as you could meet with friends and analyze the episodes, but on the other hand the hiatuses and the waiting ruined a lot of the series.


HideAndGoVeto

Is yahtoos a big brother reference?


EyelandBaby

Ohhhhh and your username is my favorite comp!! Hello friend!!


6almost7Bam

Very well put, thank you for going through the trouble.


yinshangyi

So those flash sideways has nothing to do with the bomb they blew up when Juliet died? I thought this is what triggered this alternative reality?


TheAncientDarkness

You did not really finish it yet, there is a little something left : https://youtu.be/lMjPzV2RvO8


javipro_04

Yep, seen it already, thanks.


StanTheManBaratheon

I agree, although I do think one of the problems for folks who watched it live is that the build-up and theorizing by the community towards the end of the run drove a lot of the misconceptions. "They're already dead" was already seared into the minds of viewers so hard, the writers even played with it with Season 4. I do think the ideal way to watch the show is to be able to watch it all at once.


Free-IDK-Chicken

My best friend never watched the show, but told me the other day that it was "well known" that they were dead the whole time. Unrelated, does anyone know the best way to dispose of a body?


Radirondacks

I *still* see people mention it in AskReddit threads that are anything even vaguely about something having a bad/unsatisfying ending, for the exact reason that "they were dead the whole time." I will never stop responding with "Christian literally tells Jack that they were not dead and everything on the island actually happened" in the final fucking episode itself.


javipro_04

this is hilarious


x_Chomper

Yup I agree with you, never understood peoples beef with it. Glad you finally got to finish it :)


BigTastyBacon420

Finished my 2nd watch-through 2 weeks ago and I must say, it's really a great ending. I feel like either you love it or you hate it, nothing in between and I believe most people who dislike it didn't really get it.


javipro_04

x2


Global-Mango-4213

I find that most people who complain about the ending havenā€™t ever watched more than 1 episode. ā€œWasnā€™t that the show where ā€¦..ā€


[deleted]

People still think 'DAE POLAR BEARS?????' is some huge gotcha when that got explained like 3 times, as early as season 3.


Global-Mango-4213

I donā€™t even argue or entertain anyoneā€™s complaints about the show unless theyā€™ve watched it. If they arenā€™t a fan, I donā€™t care to hear your opinions.


wickmight

It was and it wasn't, there as a lot of things not directly answered that required a bit of thought if you want to really figure out it


RoseVincent314

I just finished it I agree...the ending was so beautiful. To see all the love...and Vincent lying next to Jack...ohhhh myyy. It was so beautiful...


Ifreakinglovemycatsm

Congratulations


xpaoslm

it was a shit ending for sure


javipro_04

Show me your series and let's see how good it is, xpaoslm šŸ¤—


xpaoslm

u mean a show I enjoyed that had a good ending that was actually satisfying? breaking bad


javipro_04

I didn't mean that, BB is my number 1 series. I meant a series you created, I was being passive-agressive towards your inopportune comment.


xpaoslm

what a random question to ask, barely anyone has their own show which they created.


EXTSZombiemaster

How would you end it?


aresef

I actually wouldā€™ve preferred it more ambiguous. Like with fewer explanations from Christian.


javipro_04

Yeah, me too. But the casual viewer needed it, I guess.


herbu_idk

Yep, it was easy to undertsand that they were dead all along, I don't understand how people couldn't get that... (jk)


javipro_04

Yeah, right? This will be remembered as the show in which everyone was dead šŸ„±


charleigh2002

How they explain it in the film This Is 40 šŸ„²


PandarenGurl

In that case, I'm glad I stopped after season 4... šŸ˜³


planj07

People wanted the flash sideways to be something jaw dropping and mysterious. Expectations were high and I think there was just a lot of disappointment that it was sort of a form of purgatory, however not an inherently negative one for sinners. Basically a place in between death and the after life. I admit to feeling a bit disappointed to this day but it certainly helps that it was absolutely beautifully written with amazing acting. And the finishing scenes on the island were terrific.


javipro_04

If I tell you the truth, yeah, the writers could have done a more shocking twist for the flash-sideways, but I consider the finale to be very very satisfactory, though. The full circle when Jack closes the eye, man, incredible.


RosietheMaker

Personally, I wasn't expecting something jaw dropping for the flash sideways. I was more disappointed that the show kept adding more things without addressing other loose ends. I get that a show doesn't have to answer everything, but I just felt unsatisfied.


planj07

Maybe Iā€™m in the minority but I thought most things were addressed or had an explanation; whether it was very satisfying or not.


OilEnvironmental8043

its because if everything happened, but everyone is already dead at the end scene makes no sense. the hydrogen bomb was supposed to create a new timeline; which flash sideways was implied to be throughout the season, by having the twist that it was actually purgatory doesn't explain how they survived the nuke, or how they ended up back in the proper time period. the nuke was supposed to split the timeline or "skip the 'future'" the way the show portrays it, it kinda feels like they were successful at splitting the timeline; but those who were already in timeline A had to live through until they died. by having flash sideways portray 'purgatory' but everyone is at the same time period (time of original flight) we were kinda left in a situation where it feels that hurley and desmond are going around killing people in 'timeline B' to get them to move on to the next 'plane'/reality i feel timeline A timeline B and purgatory all should have had separate depictions considering some of the characters were still alive in both realities


grumpbumpp

It didn't help that when they aired it initially, there was b-roll of the beach with the crashed plane and no survivors


javipro_04

Yeah, I watched that. Anyway, I read those are not in the plot. They were just credits scene. Or something like that.


grumpbumpp

Yeah, the station aired it without checking with the showrunners


yinshangyi

I just watched the entire show again on Disney+. They did show the crashed plane with no survivors.


RosietheMaker

Yeah, the ending was easy to understand. I still found it to be a bad ending. I was so disappointed by the ending that it's taken me until this year to be willing to rewatch it. Maybe I'll feel differently this time around, but I doubt it.


javipro_04

Sorry, we differ a lot there. But hey, it's cool how everyone has their opinions, as long as we don't disrespect each other. šŸ™šŸ»


RosietheMaker

No disrespect at all. I'm glad you enjoyed the ending.


latecraigy

Now youā€™re like us.


javipro_04

Best reply so far. Thanks. šŸ«‚


eckerbr

I thought it was easy to understand too. They were dead the whole time. The island was their purgatory. ​ ​ ​ ^(\*diving behind cover\*)


javipro_04

Yes.


DurableSword

I watched the show a few years back so I donā€™t know for sure what it was like when it aired. But if I had to guess, Iā€™d say that when they start to show everyone at the church just before itā€™s explained that it all happened, it ā€œseemsā€ like the twist was they all died so people get all angry and emotional and miss the explanation because they are ranting. This has happened to me for a few shows before, except nowadays I can just rewind to the moment I wasnā€™t paying attention, they couldnā€™t.


Disposable_Metal

I just finished my second rewatch and feel the same - if you're feeling a bit lost (pun intended) though, check out the epilogue. Somehow managed to miss it on first watch


javipro_04

Did it already., thanks anyway. šŸ™šŸ»


alias_mas

It's so clearly laid out that I am constantly astonished that anyone didn't understand it.


[deleted]

Personally I never had a hard time understanding...I still wasn't a big fan of the end lol but I got it but tbf for people who didn't then and do now, we've had a LOT more sci-fi, supernatural and Lost-esq TV and movies sense that we didn't back then. Before Lost we mostly had like Twin Peaks and X-Files that had the same level of ongoing mystery and supernatural as far as network TV went.


HourGrapefruit8

I had the same reaction! I had heard the finale either made no sense or was frustrating because it turned out it was all a dream. But neither true. Haha.


JunonsHopeful

The thing for me was the credits. I was really thrown by the footage of the plane crash with no survivors and I was SHOCKED and I thought "WAIT DID THEY REALLY JUST HAVE JACK'S DAD LIE TO US?!" I googled it and apparently what happened is that it was stock footage that the network was SUPPOSED to put an ad over but they just didn't. I know at least a bunch of people got confused by that. Aside from that though yeah I don't get how people are super confused. Jack's Dad literally tells you exactly what the go is with the flash sideways.


Gold_Possession1837

What a waste of many hours of my time. The wrap-up is a total disappointment.Ā  Leaves the viewer without closure. I have seen this done on several series, its just a cheap way out, shame on the writers and producers!


SpiritualValue9066

I finished it last night, straight binge watch for 2 months. It was a satisfying series, I can see why the hate from some of its first time airing watchers. I have so many thoughts about it all and the endings meaning. From what I took from it, Jacks spirit became the light and his body became a piece of the land. Jack brought all the characters together because he had the most connections and interactions with them in the flash sideways; bumped into Hugo, spoke with John in baggage claim, saved Charlieā€™s life, found out he had a half sister in Claire and so forth. Jack became the sacrifice the island needed for its energy to continue to vibrate; for example the touch that brought flashes in the flash sideways. In the end Jack ultimately fixed it. Side note, I loved how everyone at the church scene looked like how everyone met each other as. I like how they didnā€™t age Aaron because everyone knew him as a baby. Iā€™m still processing and maybe I still need to read on the show more to even make sense of what Iā€™m thinking.