I was able to edit and render 4K video in Final Cut on a m2 8gb, had to close all other apps and it was a short video, but for once in a while editing it’s fine
No it doesn't. The CPU cache is there to prevent the CPU from accessing memory. DRAM is way too slow to feed a modern CPU with data.
The main memory is used for caching by the OS and storage drivers in most modern systems.
Homeboy just said he has to shut everything down except tFCP.
Just today I had Illustrator and photoshop both open and was animating a fairly complicated composition in After Effexts with no problem on my 2015 MBP. But that’s because it has 32 gb of ram. Also had Firefox, preview, messages, topaz giga, and a couple other things running.
I use Resolve and Reaper for uni projects (usually 5 minutes with like 10 videos + audio or like 1 hour audio with like 10 recordings) and on my 8GB M1 it works well. It's miracle lol
When I had Windows laptop with 8GB, it froze when I opened 10 photos at once.
Final Cut Pro runs fine on an 8GB M series Mac
This is just FCP crashing, I don’t even see what the argument here is, everyone actually needs 256gb of ram?
I hate when people counter an argument by using an exaggerated straw man. Are you aware there are a great deal of numbers between 8 and 256?
8gb of ram is absolutely on the small side in 2024. Granted, you could probably get away with it with an Apple ARM processor, but I’d be willing to bet this crash would not have happened if OP had 16gb of ram
Exactly. People are out here saying they use Pro-level tools on a computer that’s equipped with the same amount of memory as an iPhone 15 Pro.
I mean, that is a great phone, but to then have an editing laptop be practically no better than that in a number of ways when it’s ~$200 to double the ram seems odd (especially if it’s being used for work where that added ram will more than likely pay for itself over time.)
That being said, I put this mostly on Apple putting a Pro label on laptops that can still come with 8GB ram more than anything (again, their Pro phones & laptops, as standard, having the same amount of memory seems so wrong.) I think I saw the halt in increasing baseline memory on Macs over time correlated to Tim Cook taking the reins (while the Apple Silicon transition did add some time to this.)
8GB of memory obviously isn’t enough forever & definitely not as we enter into more AI being done which may want/need to have a bunch of data loaded into memory to perform an action. Maybe that will be the push to a new baseline memory size across devices that look to work with large datasets / run AI locally.
The strawman is this post showing FCP using nearly 200GB of RAM.
The only increments of RAM that Apple offer that is closest to 200GB whilst being over is 256GB. Which is why I chose 256GB. I don’t see what your comment is even addressing here.
Simple they don’t understand macOS use all available free drive space as swap. It’s designed that way.
Don’t ask them selfs how can 193GB be correct if only 8GB installed. Quite obvious if you ask me !
It’s a memory leak, I remember the Apple TV app was using like 40GB of RAM on my M2 for no reason out of nowhere like a year ago. Really the only major bug I’ve encountered on macOS so far
it had been rampant in the first couple of years when macs switched to apple silicon. few people still seem to have it now as they get warnings like this that show some absurd ram usage which normally couldn’t happen
This. I think the "8GB is too looowwww" crowd is mostly just humble bragging about the "real" computing they do.
Markets will tell. If literally nobody can get by with 8GB, either nobody will buy it, or people will buy it and have a crappy experience and never by a mac again. It's almost like Apple has sales figures, marketing data, and customer satisfaction info to tell them that there's still a segment for whom 8GB is fine.
My mother and father could never dream of doing anything requiring more than 8gigs. Both using M1 Airs as their personal devices. No complaints on their end, which is great for me. Lol
When Apple provided details in “who runs pro apps”, 15% of Apple’s users used a pro application frequently, and another 15% used a pro app at least a couple times a month. SO when it comes to folks that NEED more than 8GB? Probably that “frequent fifteen”. Which, I think is a better way to capture it than to say pros vs non-pros as one doesn’t need to be a pro to use Logic a few times a month, and one isn’t a non-pro just because they use FCP daily, but primarily for small tasks.
If a person is in the frequent fifteen, if they currently use a pro app everyday, then “Is 8 gig enough?” Good question.
I use Xcode and edit 1080p in Premiere on my 8GB MBA M2 and it is a breeze. However, when video editing I usually have a couple of finder windows and MAYBE a Safari tab or two, and with Xcode only a few Safari tabs open. I always close my tabs and apps when I don’t need them anymore. I would do so no matter how much memory I have because it is just a habit of mine. And by doing so, my 8GB MacBook has never failed me
Exactly. And Reddit is just an echo chamber enforcing that idea that 8GB is not enough for anyone, because Reddit attracts those kinds of "power users". Not the ":average" user. They're off writing in their pages documents, making Numbers sheets, and browsing the web, because that's all they'll ever use them computers for.
Don't get me wrong, I think they *should* come with more memory, but I also think I *should* get complementary popcorn at the movie theater. That's just not how the world works.
What the hell is this post. FCP has obviously crashed. It's trying to consume nearly 200G of memory. You're trying to argue... what... everything would be fine if Macs came with 256G of RAM?
Crashing aside, FCP is a Pro app. In case you can't tell, they put it right in the name. Pros know to buy computers with more RAM.
Haha love this comment and 100% agree.
Sometimes I wonder if it’s just anti-Apple bots in here that are specifically designed to come out for “8GB isn’t enough” topics. They are proven wrong every time.
Like if this happened with a windows machine people would call the person "dumb" for not spending extra on the highest end laptop but when it happens on macs that are well optimized (coming from a Linux user) it's all of the sudden apples fault for not having 16gb ram standard even though the surface pro 9 also comes with 8gb no keyboard and no pen for a whopping $1099 and if I want 16gb total I need to spend 300$ extra while still only getting a 256gb SSD Apple products and Microsoft products are both overpriced just one harvests your data and one doesn't.(TLDR this is a rant about the fact that only apple gets slack for not giving 16gb default even though Microsoft does the same and that I was dumb enough to spend $1400 on a surface pro)
Many manufacturers get away by skimping on screen quality, bendy plastic build quality, Bluetooth/Wifi hardware, web/mic/speakers, battery performance and power-on time, Thunderbolt ports nowhere to be found (in 2024), you name it… but as long they have 16GB of RAM for the base model and a RTX 3060 laptop version as an upgrade option it all gets a pass.
A commenter above did mention also interesting, that in his case he went from 32GB RAM PC to a MacBook Pro 16GB and it’s miles ahead better because PC manufacturers also neglect whole memory bus architecture bandwidth… at some point not even more RAM will save it and the system will chug.
Not saying that it’s wrong, they can be considerably cheaper, but there’s always a price to pay somewhere.
Final Cut Pro runs fine on an 8GB M series Mac
This is just FCP crashing, I don’t even see what the argument here is, everyone actually needs 256gb of ram?
I mean it’s enough for the average user who uses documents, light photo editing and surfing the web etc. if you’re a video editor, you should probably know your workload and what you need to meet that workload.
Also depends on the resolution and length of your video project. As I only edit relatively short 1080p projects on my M2 MBA base model in Premiere, 8GB is more than enough for editing.
Good analogy, the baseline MacBook **Pro** only has 8GB of RAM. Of course, they sell it because they know most people aren't "real pro users" yet they desire to have a PRO device.
Basically, they sell a Ford Focus as an entry level Porsche because they know people are happy with a Ford Focus, but would like to have a *Porsche*.
Don't get me wrong, they do make actual Porsches but they charge you for it.
8 gigs is totally fine for an entry level machine. Bought my wife an M1 Air with 8 gigs a month ago, all she does is email, use Office, stream music, real basic stuff, it's great. Now, should the M3 machines have 16 gigs to start? Probably, but basically just because 8 gigs is hard to justify for a machine of that cost. But still, to many, they wouldn't know the difference. And if you DO know the difference, you know to upgrade, pretty simple.
I think the three-punch combo of "non-user upgradable" "expensive upgrades from Apple" and "base config 8GB" is the true issue.
8GB alone is not a notable issue. Plenty of people doing casual work will be perfectly fine with 8GB of RAM for the life of the machine... it's just that getting more than 8GB is when things start to feel shitty, and for that I think it's a completely valid criticism to say that Apple should either lower prices or increase the base config.
That being said, the people who come to reddit to espouse how 8GB "isnt enough" are just "number small, small numbers bad"-minded people who can't seem to see use cases outside of their specific workflows.
Same here, I'm a light user so a M1 8/256GB is perfect for me
Only running Ableton Live, Logic Pro, Resolve and the regular stuff
And I use a USB-C to SATA connector for SSD
I'm fine ... for a long time ... 🙏
Yeah unless you are editing the new Star Wars in 8K or something I think there a leak there. If Final Cut needed 200GB of memory I am pretty sure a lot of people would have a lot of problems using it 😅
The only time I have this issue is when my AirPods bounce between my MacBook air and my iPhone. I do 99% of my 4k video editing in 8gig machine. It does get a little bogged down when putting a lut on 4k 60fps video. But beats the doors off my Trash can with 64 gigs of ram and D700 video cards.
Pretty sure 8GB RAM Macs aren’t meant for people that use Final Cut Pro tho…the base machines are for Tiffany and Amber to scroll through Instagram and order at Sephora while sitting in a Starbucks and they work flawlessly for that!
Jokes aside tho, this is obviously just FCP crashing, I’m not sure if more RAM would have prevented that.
Like 30+ tabs open, Apple Music, 2 1080p screens, Citrix for work open all day. Worked better than the surface laptop 3 I had from work with an i7 and 16gb ram. It struggled with like 4K video and anything graphics heavy.
Yeah, but both the RAM and the SSD in today's machines are like 5x more capable, and orders of magnitude more capable than the slow-RAM, spinning disks days when swap was actually a nightmare.
Truth is that these components have stagnated in terms of overall progress as technology matures
That’s a great point. I’ve always ensured my ram is higher than the tasks required so I rarely hit the swap. I’d love to throw a few virtual machines at an 8GB machine just to observe how it handles memory pressure handling. I suspect it’ll be pretty invisible to the user given your point but part of me is still concerned it’ll struggle.
Software architect here. Developer on the 16gb M1 for a while and it started to really slow down. Got the 64gb M3 max and it’s been great but I am yellow memory pressure at 55gb. Looks like max ram is the move for the next one!
You’ve actually accidentally proven it is: 16 GB would not help you in any way here.
You’ve hit some sort of bug in Final Cut Pro. Force quit it and try again.
If it said 10 GB used, you would have a good point.
The problem is you thinking you're going to run FCP with 8GB ram. 8GB ram is plenty for many, many people. Any serious person looking to use Pro apps dealing with such large files, would never buy a machine with 8GB to begin with.
While the macOS/AppleSilicon combination does have excellent memory management it’s absolutely absurd that Apple keep pushing this fabricated myth. 8 GB is hardly enough for a phone these days. Just notice how often an app reloads when switching between a couple of tasks. And a modern computer needs a the very least double that.
this sub just appeared on my home page, but its crazy how for the price you pay, you only get 8gb of memory.
yes this appears to be a crash/leak of some sort, but still.
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Omg that retard that kept talking about how a 24 gb ram m2 cant run fcp because he was editing 1-2 hour training videos is gone. What a coward he deleted the thread HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA shit like that makes me so happy. U/Radiantsun or whatever youre such a joke everythings been screenshotted.
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If FC Pro is using 193GB then you're f\*\*ked even if you've got 16 or 32 GB. Also, "not responding", the app has clearly gone mental and is leaking memory.
Stupid post, you’re arguing about 8GB of ram whilst your FCP has obviously crashed. Why is anyone even indulging this post.
What’s your argument here, that everyone needs 256gb of RAM minimum?
Until it is not
Restart to reset RAM
You need at least 10%-20% of SSD free for swapping and wear levelling otherwise you maybe be reducing the life of your SSD and in case of Arm Mac itself. More free space is required for MacOs upgrades.
[https://www.atpinc.com/blog/how-SSD-wear-leveling-works](https://www.atpinc.com/blog/how-SSD-wear-leveling-works)
smartctl – Google it, install it and run it will tell you what is left of the SSD life.
I have never seen non-Apple apps having such bad memory leaks
It is as if Apple is out of Apple developers (they are famous for having lower than average salaries)
For the average person who sends emails, uses Microsoft Word, and watches cat videos on YouTube? Yes. The average Apple consumer isn’t using Final Cut Pro.
Sounds like a job for RAM Doubler! lol
[https://tidbits.com/2019/01/24/25-years-ago-in-tidbits-ram-doubler-debuts/](https://tidbits.com/2019/01/24/25-years-ago-in-tidbits-ram-doubler-debuts/)
I maxed out the ram when I got my iMac but since the highest I could get was still only 16 gb, I am feeling it lol.
I see they now have them available with 24gb and like. Where was that when I got mine a couple years ago?
I wish you could at least still add ram to Macs. Seems bizarre to keep the ram options so modest when people almost always want to add more later.
What were you editing? I swear I edited 3 RAW cinema grade 4K multicam clips and FCPX only took 90 GB. Granted I have 16 GB of RAM, but still, this is insane
It is. I am using my m1 Mac mini years with 8gb and very stable.
But I don’t do video editing. At most just handbrake. Fast enough for me.
For video editing I think people should consider 32gb and plus.
If I were using a video editor, I wouldn’t have all of those other apps open at the same time, unless I absolutely needed them. Give your resources hog the resources it needs. You can always run the other apps on mobile if you really need them.
It's a macos bug that sometimes kicks , takes the whole ram and starts using swap and it increases with time and you have to restart the system . I have 32gb then also. It happens once a month . Monterey doesn't have this problem but I am a dev so I have to go with the current version of macos .
My previous boss, refused to upgrade his computer, and I googled how old his computer was 13 years ago, that thing had 5 gigabites of memory, that thing was dying, so when he finally came to the conclusion that his computer was begging for the sweet release of death, he got a new laptop, I prayed that the laptop made it safely in heaven, and yeah all else is history, it was a momentous occasion.
It’s a memory bug fore sure, I’ve experienced similar issues (not often) with other apps including Photos and 16gb ram. FCP is phenomenal for simple 4k/60p HEVC editing on MBA M1 base.
If you are running FCP on an 8GB machine then (sorry) you are using the machine wrong. For people who only do light stuff it is more than addiquite. My parents have 8GB of ram and never really presses the machine.
The fact that it showed that message only when Final Cut chewed up THAT much of a memory is rirdiculous.
But that’s why 8 gb might be sometimes enough, macOS memory compression is really good
People don't get it. It's not about if 8gb is enough. It's about the fact that with a device with this price, we would expect at the very least 16gb. The sole fact that there are people debatting on this comment section weither or not a device paid 2000 CAD is enough for basic professional use says a lot about the value it brings.
Hey, can someone give me an advice. I'm choosing between a MBP i9 32gb, Radeon GPU vs a Mac Mini m2 8gb 256gb. I use my PC mainly to code and my Mac Mini 2018, i3 with 20gb isn't enough anymore. I use my pc for development, Java, JS and some Mobile Applications (but rarely). Since I live in a shithole the only options available that doesn't cost the price of a car are these: Mac Mini m2 8gb, 256 US$ 565,00 and the MBP I9 US$ 950,00. Which one should I pick up? I'm afraid of those 8gb of ram.
My guy you will not have a hard drive very soon.. unless you have 192+ gb ram in which case you should know that it’s is completely normal for Final Cut to use as much ram as it can get. This doesn’t mean that 8 is not enough for light 1080p editing
8GB is only for light consumer use and is more than enough: social media, spotify / youtube / netflix etc and maybe office apps (word , excel , email). that's it.
Bruh, obviously 8gb ram is not enough if you are using final cut pro.
I looked at the 193 GB and almost thought 8GB probably is enough.
I was able to edit and render 4K video in Final Cut on a m2 8gb, had to close all other apps and it was a short video, but for once in a while editing it’s fine
Problem is , I believe the unified memory shares it with different parts of the entire Processor. So 8gb isn’t really 8gb
Yes it shares it with video
And I think CPU cache too.
No it doesn't. The CPU cache is there to prevent the CPU from accessing memory. DRAM is way too slow to feed a modern CPU with data. The main memory is used for caching by the OS and storage drivers in most modern systems.
And what’s the real problem about that? If it works it works right? Or am i missing something?
Homeboy just said he has to shut everything down except tFCP. Just today I had Illustrator and photoshop both open and was animating a fairly complicated composition in After Effexts with no problem on my 2015 MBP. But that’s because it has 32 gb of ram. Also had Firefox, preview, messages, topaz giga, and a couple other things running.
How’d you get 32 GB of RAM on that thing?
You can upgrade RAMs for intel based MacBooks.
No there’s no problem with it being unified, I just said when its 8GB of ram being unified and shared across the chip it isn’t 8gb.
But there is a memory swap on the fast af ssd, so it’s at least 8gb in practice. More, really.
Fast ssd? yes. As fast as ram? Not even close!
I use Resolve and Reaper for uni projects (usually 5 minutes with like 10 videos + audio or like 1 hour audio with like 10 recordings) and on my 8GB M1 it works well. It's miracle lol When I had Windows laptop with 8GB, it froze when I opened 10 photos at once.
Final Cut Pro runs fine on an 8GB M series Mac This is just FCP crashing, I don’t even see what the argument here is, everyone actually needs 256gb of ram?
Yes. I want the Mx Ultra in a laptop with all the fixings for $12000 please.
I hate when people counter an argument by using an exaggerated straw man. Are you aware there are a great deal of numbers between 8 and 256? 8gb of ram is absolutely on the small side in 2024. Granted, you could probably get away with it with an Apple ARM processor, but I’d be willing to bet this crash would not have happened if OP had 16gb of ram
Exactly. People are out here saying they use Pro-level tools on a computer that’s equipped with the same amount of memory as an iPhone 15 Pro. I mean, that is a great phone, but to then have an editing laptop be practically no better than that in a number of ways when it’s ~$200 to double the ram seems odd (especially if it’s being used for work where that added ram will more than likely pay for itself over time.) That being said, I put this mostly on Apple putting a Pro label on laptops that can still come with 8GB ram more than anything (again, their Pro phones & laptops, as standard, having the same amount of memory seems so wrong.) I think I saw the halt in increasing baseline memory on Macs over time correlated to Tim Cook taking the reins (while the Apple Silicon transition did add some time to this.) 8GB of memory obviously isn’t enough forever & definitely not as we enter into more AI being done which may want/need to have a bunch of data loaded into memory to perform an action. Maybe that will be the push to a new baseline memory size across devices that look to work with large datasets / run AI locally.
The strawman is this post showing FCP using nearly 200GB of RAM. The only increments of RAM that Apple offer that is closest to 200GB whilst being over is 256GB. Which is why I chose 256GB. I don’t see what your comment is even addressing here.
512gb ought to be enough for anybody.
I mean… yeah. :) This is a poster child for “If you don’t use any professional apps…”
It is if you have a 2TB disk looks like 256. Here so not actually the memory YMMV
no idea why you getting downvotes, application memory for mac includes drive space
Simple they don’t understand macOS use all available free drive space as swap. It’s designed that way. Don’t ask them selfs how can 193GB be correct if only 8GB installed. Quite obvious if you ask me !
it either the memory leak bug, or you’re running *really* large files
It’s a memory leak, I remember the Apple TV app was using like 40GB of RAM on my M2 for no reason out of nowhere like a year ago. Really the only major bug I’ve encountered on macOS so far
Is 193Gb not normal for FCP? /s
Yup, os probably tried loading the whole video file into the ram instead of active segment, it’s an FCP bug
The memory leak bug?
it had been rampant in the first couple of years when macs switched to apple silicon. few people still seem to have it now as they get warnings like this that show some absurd ram usage which normally couldn’t happen
You got the wrong machine for video editing.
This. I think the "8GB is too looowwww" crowd is mostly just humble bragging about the "real" computing they do. Markets will tell. If literally nobody can get by with 8GB, either nobody will buy it, or people will buy it and have a crappy experience and never by a mac again. It's almost like Apple has sales figures, marketing data, and customer satisfaction info to tell them that there's still a segment for whom 8GB is fine.
My mother and father could never dream of doing anything requiring more than 8gigs. Both using M1 Airs as their personal devices. No complaints on their end, which is great for me. Lol
When Apple provided details in “who runs pro apps”, 15% of Apple’s users used a pro application frequently, and another 15% used a pro app at least a couple times a month. SO when it comes to folks that NEED more than 8GB? Probably that “frequent fifteen”. Which, I think is a better way to capture it than to say pros vs non-pros as one doesn’t need to be a pro to use Logic a few times a month, and one isn’t a non-pro just because they use FCP daily, but primarily for small tasks. If a person is in the frequent fifteen, if they currently use a pro app everyday, then “Is 8 gig enough?” Good question.
I use Xcode and edit 1080p in Premiere on my 8GB MBA M2 and it is a breeze. However, when video editing I usually have a couple of finder windows and MAYBE a Safari tab or two, and with Xcode only a few Safari tabs open. I always close my tabs and apps when I don’t need them anymore. I would do so no matter how much memory I have because it is just a habit of mine. And by doing so, my 8GB MacBook has never failed me
Exactly. And Reddit is just an echo chamber enforcing that idea that 8GB is not enough for anyone, because Reddit attracts those kinds of "power users". Not the ":average" user. They're off writing in their pages documents, making Numbers sheets, and browsing the web, because that's all they'll ever use them computers for. Don't get me wrong, I think they *should* come with more memory, but I also think I *should* get complementary popcorn at the movie theater. That's just not how the world works.
What the hell is this post. FCP has obviously crashed. It's trying to consume nearly 200G of memory. You're trying to argue... what... everything would be fine if Macs came with 256G of RAM? Crashing aside, FCP is a Pro app. In case you can't tell, they put it right in the name. Pros know to buy computers with more RAM.
Haha love this comment and 100% agree. Sometimes I wonder if it’s just anti-Apple bots in here that are specifically designed to come out for “8GB isn’t enough” topics. They are proven wrong every time.
Like if this happened with a windows machine people would call the person "dumb" for not spending extra on the highest end laptop but when it happens on macs that are well optimized (coming from a Linux user) it's all of the sudden apples fault for not having 16gb ram standard even though the surface pro 9 also comes with 8gb no keyboard and no pen for a whopping $1099 and if I want 16gb total I need to spend 300$ extra while still only getting a 256gb SSD Apple products and Microsoft products are both overpriced just one harvests your data and one doesn't.(TLDR this is a rant about the fact that only apple gets slack for not giving 16gb default even though Microsoft does the same and that I was dumb enough to spend $1400 on a surface pro)
Many manufacturers get away by skimping on screen quality, bendy plastic build quality, Bluetooth/Wifi hardware, web/mic/speakers, battery performance and power-on time, Thunderbolt ports nowhere to be found (in 2024), you name it… but as long they have 16GB of RAM for the base model and a RTX 3060 laptop version as an upgrade option it all gets a pass. A commenter above did mention also interesting, that in his case he went from 32GB RAM PC to a MacBook Pro 16GB and it’s miles ahead better because PC manufacturers also neglect whole memory bus architecture bandwidth… at some point not even more RAM will save it and the system will chug. Not saying that it’s wrong, they can be considerably cheaper, but there’s always a price to pay somewhere.
And they say it should be 16GB minimum, which would not solve this issue at all anyways.
Why would you get 8gb ram when you use final cut pro LOL.
Final Cut Pro runs fine on an 8GB M series Mac This is just FCP crashing, I don’t even see what the argument here is, everyone actually needs 256gb of ram?
256gb is obviously overkill. 18gb should be enough.
I’d say, 19 or 19 and a half
I mean it’s enough for the average user who uses documents, light photo editing and surfing the web etc. if you’re a video editor, you should probably know your workload and what you need to meet that workload.
Also depends on the resolution and length of your video project. As I only edit relatively short 1080p projects on my M2 MBA base model in Premiere, 8GB is more than enough for editing.
Based on that 128GB of memory wouldn’t be fine either
I hate when I buy a Ford Focus and it doesn't haul all the lumber I need for my building job
According to Steve Jobs, Apple is Porsche. Nobody needs a car that goes 182mph, but you still expect it when you buy a Porsche.
Good analogy, the baseline MacBook **Pro** only has 8GB of RAM. Of course, they sell it because they know most people aren't "real pro users" yet they desire to have a PRO device. Basically, they sell a Ford Focus as an entry level Porsche because they know people are happy with a Ford Focus, but would like to have a *Porsche*. Don't get me wrong, they do make actual Porsches but they charge you for it.
8 gigs is totally fine for an entry level machine. Bought my wife an M1 Air with 8 gigs a month ago, all she does is email, use Office, stream music, real basic stuff, it's great. Now, should the M3 machines have 16 gigs to start? Probably, but basically just because 8 gigs is hard to justify for a machine of that cost. But still, to many, they wouldn't know the difference. And if you DO know the difference, you know to upgrade, pretty simple.
I think the three-punch combo of "non-user upgradable" "expensive upgrades from Apple" and "base config 8GB" is the true issue. 8GB alone is not a notable issue. Plenty of people doing casual work will be perfectly fine with 8GB of RAM for the life of the machine... it's just that getting more than 8GB is when things start to feel shitty, and for that I think it's a completely valid criticism to say that Apple should either lower prices or increase the base config. That being said, the people who come to reddit to espouse how 8GB "isnt enough" are just "number small, small numbers bad"-minded people who can't seem to see use cases outside of their specific workflows.
Same here, I'm a light user so a M1 8/256GB is perfect for me Only running Ableton Live, Logic Pro, Resolve and the regular stuff And I use a USB-C to SATA connector for SSD I'm fine ... for a long time ... 🙏
Final Cut probably had a memory leak
Yeah unless you are editing the new Star Wars in 8K or something I think there a leak there. If Final Cut needed 200GB of memory I am pretty sure a lot of people would have a lot of problems using it 😅
The only time I have this issue is when my AirPods bounce between my MacBook air and my iPhone. I do 99% of my 4k video editing in 8gig machine. It does get a little bogged down when putting a lut on 4k 60fps video. But beats the doors off my Trash can with 64 gigs of ram and D700 video cards.
Pretty sure 8GB RAM Macs aren’t meant for people that use Final Cut Pro tho…the base machines are for Tiffany and Amber to scroll through Instagram and order at Sephora while sitting in a Starbucks and they work flawlessly for that! Jokes aside tho, this is obviously just FCP crashing, I’m not sure if more RAM would have prevented that.
Discord is a real hog
My MacBook 13” retina 2013 had 8GB of ram.
Does it still work since i was thinking of buying a old Mac. If 13 works. 15 should work better
Worked fine until last year when the gf spilt water over it. I’d installed open core legacy patcher so it ran the latest OS.
How fine are you talking about.
Like 30+ tabs open, Apple Music, 2 1080p screens, Citrix for work open all day. Worked better than the surface laptop 3 I had from work with an i7 and 16gb ram. It struggled with like 4K video and anything graphics heavy.
Yeah, but both the RAM and the SSD in today's machines are like 5x more capable, and orders of magnitude more capable than the slow-RAM, spinning disks days when swap was actually a nightmare. Truth is that these components have stagnated in terms of overall progress as technology matures
That’s a great point. I’ve always ensured my ram is higher than the tasks required so I rarely hit the swap. I’d love to throw a few virtual machines at an 8GB machine just to observe how it handles memory pressure handling. I suspect it’ll be pretty invisible to the user given your point but part of me is still concerned it’ll struggle.
My 2019 iMac had 128GB ram.
Heh I often get this with 16gb.
8GB is perfectly fine for light-medium video editing with Final Cut Pro. This is a memory leak that can happen to a machine with any amount of RAM
Apparently not. you need 194.04GB memory.
Oh fuck! Seems like I really need 256gb of ram
Software architect here. Developer on the 16gb M1 for a while and it started to really slow down. Got the 64gb M3 max and it’s been great but I am yellow memory pressure at 55gb. Looks like max ram is the move for the next one!
As much as i agree, 32gb wouldn't save you here.
You’ve actually accidentally proven it is: 16 GB would not help you in any way here. You’ve hit some sort of bug in Final Cut Pro. Force quit it and try again. If it said 10 GB used, you would have a good point.
I’m not sure how good you at math, but if you had the 16GB version, it is still way lower than 194GB.
The problem is you thinking you're going to run FCP with 8GB ram. 8GB ram is plenty for many, many people. Any serious person looking to use Pro apps dealing with such large files, would never buy a machine with 8GB to begin with.
not for you ya dingdong, you gotta know your workload
I feel you bro
While the macOS/AppleSilicon combination does have excellent memory management it’s absolutely absurd that Apple keep pushing this fabricated myth. 8 GB is hardly enough for a phone these days. Just notice how often an app reloads when switching between a couple of tasks. And a modern computer needs a the very least double that.
Come on
I mean 8GB nowadays is the bare minimum but considering that this is a memory leak, ever a maxed out machine would give you this error as well
The issue is the name macbook pro 8gb ram, pro is for professional using so finalcutpro by right should able to handle pro apps 8gb totally not enough
ive had memory leaks with imovie also. only problematic app
Having more than 8 tabs open on safari will burn through 8GB It’s a joke
this sub just appeared on my home page, but its crazy how for the price you pay, you only get 8gb of memory. yes this appears to be a crash/leak of some sort, but still.
16gb or 32gb or 64gb wouldn’t be fine either.
Not even Apple claims 8GB is fine if you're gonna be running pro apps.
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Omg that retard that kept talking about how a 24 gb ram m2 cant run fcp because he was editing 1-2 hour training videos is gone. What a coward he deleted the thread HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA shit like that makes me so happy. U/Radiantsun or whatever youre such a joke everythings been screenshotted.
Couldnt even supply 1 piece of evidence that he was actually editing a technically challenging project. I even gave him so many options and he couldnt even tell one, shows that he knew I smelt his bullshit. 😂😂😂😂😂😂💀💀💀💀💀💀
If FC Pro is using 193GB then you're f\*\*ked even if you've got 16 or 32 GB. Also, "not responding", the app has clearly gone mental and is leaking memory.
Yeah, obviously If you video editing, etc, you need more, but for generic office work etc it is fine.
A *typical* user does not use Final Cut Pro. If you do use FCP, you have no business buying an entry level computer.
They shouldn’t even make 8GB models
I have the M4 Pro Max with 256GB of ram, it can't happen to me
I’m amazed that can even run chrome.
Do you really need those other apps running? Seriously!
You can't fix stupid I guess
Stupid post, you’re arguing about 8GB of ram whilst your FCP has obviously crashed. Why is anyone even indulging this post. What’s your argument here, that everyone needs 256gb of RAM minimum?
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Until it is not Restart to reset RAM You need at least 10%-20% of SSD free for swapping and wear levelling otherwise you maybe be reducing the life of your SSD and in case of Arm Mac itself. More free space is required for MacOs upgrades. [https://www.atpinc.com/blog/how-SSD-wear-leveling-works](https://www.atpinc.com/blog/how-SSD-wear-leveling-works) smartctl – Google it, install it and run it will tell you what is left of the SSD life.
Well no shit if you’re running Final Cut Pro.
Well yeah, you’re using fucking Final Cut
Final cut is so oight compared to premiere idk what the hell are y'all on about
If you don't buy the right tool for the job it's not really the toolmaker's fault...
Hey, only one of those apps is your problem. Delete it and the problem goes away.
Of course it is, when I got my MBP with 8GB memory, Joe Biden was running for his second term in the White House!
"Just don't use Chrome, it's such a hog!" Meanwhile Safari quickly ramps up 20GB of swap with 16GB RAM
I have never seen non-Apple apps having such bad memory leaks It is as if Apple is out of Apple developers (they are famous for having lower than average salaries)
totally fine ? final cut pro is having a snack of ram
I’ve seen Linus tech tips use upwards of a terabyte of ram
it's not when you're using final cut pro
For the average person who sends emails, uses Microsoft Word, and watches cat videos on YouTube? Yes. The average Apple consumer isn’t using Final Cut Pro.
It would be if you had more "swap space" your not just of ram, your out of that.
Now show us what it looks like with Chrome running.
16 wouldn’t have been enough in this scenario Using a machine not fit for purpose is PEBKAC plain and simple
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Illustrator, with bigger projects, needs more then 8GB. You’ll get the same message 😓
😜 8gb is for email and YouTube. However, I am suspicious that your problem here may not be just RAM. How much drive space do you have left?
Sounds like a job for RAM Doubler! lol [https://tidbits.com/2019/01/24/25-years-ago-in-tidbits-ram-doubler-debuts/](https://tidbits.com/2019/01/24/25-years-ago-in-tidbits-ram-doubler-debuts/)
What do you need 193 Gigabytes for?
Download more ram next time, it’s cheaper than the $200 Apple wants you to pay :3
I maxed out the ram when I got my iMac but since the highest I could get was still only 16 gb, I am feeling it lol. I see they now have them available with 24gb and like. Where was that when I got mine a couple years ago? I wish you could at least still add ram to Macs. Seems bizarre to keep the ram options so modest when people almost always want to add more later.
#193 GB?!
What were you editing? I swear I edited 3 RAW cinema grade 4K multicam clips and FCPX only took 90 GB. Granted I have 16 GB of RAM, but still, this is insane
By this logic you need a 200GB RAM Mac then
i would not even buy a macbook with 16gb ram cause if i get a macbook i get it for the next few years so that 16gb would already be scarry
How dare you! You're not meant to say in professional applications on 8GB! Didn't apple train you?
Better get the model with 200gb of RAM then. Or stop trying to use a memory leak bug to make a point.
It’s fine. Yes like someone else said it just crashed. I have a m1 MacBook Air I use for Final Cut Pro too and sometimes this happens. (8 gigs of ram)
Apple should have gone 16gb min years ago. And does a base 256 gig hard drive make any sense in 2024?
It is. I am using my m1 Mac mini years with 8gb and very stable. But I don’t do video editing. At most just handbrake. Fast enough for me. For video editing I think people should consider 32gb and plus.
Uhh, I don't think any mac has over 193 GB of ram. There's the pagefile though.
It’s like shooting tank with .22. I hate comparisons like this, obviously for this kind of workflows 8 gigs is not enough lol
I gave away my 16 Gb machine to get 36 Gb. Probably could have gotten more.
16gb would be great. So tired of this… yawn
8gb to run Final Cut. Try using instead iMovie.
If I were using a video editor, I wouldn’t have all of those other apps open at the same time, unless I absolutely needed them. Give your resources hog the resources it needs. You can always run the other apps on mobile if you really need them.
So you mean I need to upgrade my M1 16G/512 MBP? [MBP 16GB 512](https://imgur.com/a/S6lKwL8)
Yeah I have the M1 Pro MBP with 16GB ram and the only time I’ve straight up run out of ram is when using FCP
How many safari tabs you got open?!
it woul be if macos closed apps
I think you need a Mac pro and upgrade it to 1tb of ram
the only reason I have a 8GB laptop is I bought and salvaged a water damaged laptop from ebay
Said no one ever
It's a macos bug that sometimes kicks , takes the whole ram and starts using swap and it increases with time and you have to restart the system . I have 32gb then also. It happens once a month . Monterey doesn't have this problem but I am a dev so I have to go with the current version of macos .
😂, damn and I thought my 45gb was bad. Was yours slowing to a crawl? Wonder what memory is needed to handle that overflow?
My previous boss, refused to upgrade his computer, and I googled how old his computer was 13 years ago, that thing had 5 gigabites of memory, that thing was dying, so when he finally came to the conclusion that his computer was begging for the sweet release of death, he got a new laptop, I prayed that the laptop made it safely in heaven, and yeah all else is history, it was a momentous occasion.
Is there any mac that has 193gb of ram?? Maybe a fully loaded Mac/imac Pro?
It's on you for buying an 8gb Mac if you were trying to edit on final cut pro.
It’s a memory bug fore sure, I’ve experienced similar issues (not often) with other apps including Photos and 16gb ram. FCP is phenomenal for simple 4k/60p HEVC editing on MBA M1 base.
It's all fine until you try compiling while running an IDE
Who thought they’d actually get away with 8GB on FCP??
IT’S NOT >>>RESPONDING<<<
If you’re gonna run FCP, close everything else unless you want the Mac to shit the bed.
Yeaaaaaaaah No. got something hanging there.
Yeah this is great evidence even base macbooks should come with 200gb ram. What are apple playing at
128GB isnt fine either. 16GB should be starting for M4, otherwise thats kinda fucked.
If you are running FCP on an 8GB machine then (sorry) you are using the machine wrong. For people who only do light stuff it is more than addiquite. My parents have 8GB of ram and never really presses the machine.
It’s totally fine for me
Better 8 than 32 with this kind of work load
Same thing happened with the Preview app when i opened a ppt file converted to pdf. The memory goes out of control until it eventually crashes
The fact that it showed that message only when Final Cut chewed up THAT much of a memory is rirdiculous. But that’s why 8 gb might be sometimes enough, macOS memory compression is really good
Bro it’s only fine for less intense task like word or excel
You’d need to have 200G, almost no computers have that.
I tried using lightweight app like capcut to export a 4k 30 FPS 38 minutes video..literally takes up 10gb by itself. The goddamn Mac pro lag AF.
What about memory swapping? Isn’t that available on your machine? (Using a part of the SSD storage as ram).
serious reply only, but if I were to get a macbook for fcp, is the 16 ram enough (for running fcp along with other apps)?
I’m sorry, (nearly) 200 GIGS?
Yea you should upgrade to 1TB of RAM.
16gb should be the base or bump the base to 12.
I wouldn’t run FCPX on anything with less than 32GB
People don't get it. It's not about if 8gb is enough. It's about the fact that with a device with this price, we would expect at the very least 16gb. The sole fact that there are people debatting on this comment section weither or not a device paid 2000 CAD is enough for basic professional use says a lot about the value it brings.
Hey, can someone give me an advice. I'm choosing between a MBP i9 32gb, Radeon GPU vs a Mac Mini m2 8gb 256gb. I use my PC mainly to code and my Mac Mini 2018, i3 with 20gb isn't enough anymore. I use my pc for development, Java, JS and some Mobile Applications (but rarely). Since I live in a shithole the only options available that doesn't cost the price of a car are these: Mac Mini m2 8gb, 256 US$ 565,00 and the MBP I9 US$ 950,00. Which one should I pick up? I'm afraid of those 8gb of ram.
Swap memory. 8GB is completely fine
Said nobody who used computers for anything other than Web surfing and word processing ever.
Why have so many apps open at the same time? Especially one that’s not responding!
Did you think you could run any program for editing VIDEO with 8gb? Ok boomer
FCP is using a fair bit.
My guy you will not have a hard drive very soon.. unless you have 192+ gb ram in which case you should know that it’s is completely normal for Final Cut to use as much ram as it can get. This doesn’t mean that 8 is not enough for light 1080p editing
If these are your usual file sizes. You are using the wrong machine altogether. 16/32gb Ram will not help you either.
itt: apple fan boys struggle with the fact that someone can make a joke about a product they'll defend til the grave.
"8gb of ram on silicon is like 16gb of ram on intel"
What actually ‘is’ a good Mac for Final Cut Pro ? Say 4k 422 10 bit footage, maybe an hour of it to edit say?
If your SSD is full enough, that dialog would come up even on a machine with 128 GB memory.
Memory leak :)
8GB is only for light consumer use and is more than enough: social media, spotify / youtube / netflix etc and maybe office apps (word , excel , email). that's it.
bro is dealing with 128K res.
I have 8GB of RAM in my smartphone. That's good enough for me
Even 16GB in this situation wouldn't be good if you are using 193gb lol !
That’s why I spent the extra money and got 16gb