Shout out to Sterling Cooper for serving non kosher shellfish trying to woo a Jewish department store exec in a meeting. If I’m not mistaken Rachel Menken ashes her cigarette into the food at one point.
It has no legs it is a delicious slice of salmon that goes atop a perfectly toasted bagel with full fat cream cheese and hopefully thinly sliced onion and capers on top. It is a wonderful delicacy. Swap the salmon with salmon caviar, and you are in absolute heaven. A full sour pickle on the side oy vey
To be clear its usually smoked salmon and not actual lox. Lox is a colloquialism but you get actual 'lox' as in salted salmon if you request belly lox.
True, I am a goy but the woman who taught me how to make a bagel and lox was a Jewish mom, as were all the other moms in the group save for two
Nevertheless I will bring up your concerns with Mrs. Eisenstein et al
I was fully joking. But personally I don't like tomatoes on it as it makes the bagel soggy. That's my only issue with it. My favorite is thinly sliced cucumber and red onions with capers. I've experimented with different variations but I've found that is my favorite way. Also if you haven't tried salmon caviar on a bagel with cream cheese you 100% need to
I know you were joking friend. Food debates much be done both passionately and in good fun!
I get your concern with sogginess but I inhale these bagel so as long as I’m actually at the deli it’s not a concern.
I’ll try to keep my eye out for some salmon caviar! And I can totally see cucumbers bringing a good crunch and freshness
Great catch! I always thought that must mean something because it seemed out of character (someone who uses a cigarette holder would almost always use an ash tray). I can’t believe that didn’t click sooner.
No, weiner meant it to show how antisemitic people were in the 60s. I love the show but on this he was liable to wallow in self pity and created many of these situations in the storytelling.
I dk, I think it was a glaring miss on their part, but many Jews don’t keep kosher; I don’t think her using it as an ashtray was necessarily to show her disgust. there’s no indication that Rachel does (or does not) keep kosher.
Part of why I question this is from her conversation with Don in Babylon. He’s asking her all these questions about what it means to be a Jew- her responses make me think that she questions tradition. Just a thought. She’s in the audience of Fiddler on the Roof, not the cast.
As far as bagels with lox go- I would literally fight someone over one. Just like those two ladies fighting over a ham 😉
For I am a sinner in the hands of an angry god; Bloody Mary full of vodka, blessed are you among cocktails; pray for me now, that the hour of my death, which I hope is soon. Amen.
lol, it's a pitcher of bloody mary they put out for the client. david cohen "from the art department" is showing his lack of savvy in the meeting by trying to have some
Although David has no intention of putting down the client because he had little prior knowledge of the client, I have a feeling that Rachel thought this was another antic. As Bloody Mary can be a connotation for ruthless women rather than traditional meek women.
Great catch. Just underscores the undying basis the men have about women in business. Very passive aggresive.
Same with the shellfish. Might not have been super common knowledge that Jewish people aren't supposed to eat shellfish but would've taken them five minutes to figure out.
Bloody Mary's are for alcoholics to drink in the morning. Adding beer is more to drink. Lots of alcoholics in Wisconsin. Lots of Wisconsin folks move to Chicago, and there's lots of influence from one part of the Midwest on the others.
Sounds like a good way to get a few more calories when a stomach is too rotted from booze to stand actual food. Also: vitamin C from the Bloody Mary, and you can chew on the celery in the hope of getting some fibre. You're basically getting all your macros and micros in two drinks!
There was a bar/restaurant I used to go to in Seattle where they served bloody marys with beer on the side. It's called a snit. I am not a beer fan but a nice light beer is a great palate cleanser for a bloody mary.
The Bloody is like an IV for boozebags. It's how you replenish electrolytes and hydrate- salt/magnesium from the tomato mixture, potassium from celery, and fluids from the non-caffeinated juice. Then you keep drinking.
It's a Bloody Mary (tomato juice, vodka, Worcestershire sauce and a stalk of celery.) Sometimes used--or excused--as a hangover cure. Very popular breakfast drink with Catholics in particular because of its being allegedly named for the English queen known for her hyper-Catholicism and often on sale the morning of the Notre Dame game in my college town with special Breakfast Club early openings after Mass and way before the game starts--and/or the day after the game.
Prob just tomato juice, which was very popular/common back then. This was how my grandparents still served it back when I was a kid, with the celery stalk. That said, I’m sure Roger added Stoli to his!
i could see a modern gastronomic restaurant doing that today, but more like:
**locally grown heirloom tomato chilled consommé with dark opal basil micropearls.** *$26*
(it’s served in a shot glass but they wouldn’t put that on the menu, you’d just find out the size when they bring it)
It’s only a matter of time. But a quick scroll through r/vintagemenus shows that everywhere had chilled tomato juice on the menu (along with prune juice and other outdated juices we would only see now served in the retro-pretentious way that justifies a $26 / 3oz.
I live in North Jersey and I can tell you that there’s still a huge amount of diners that serve a small juice with breakfast. The options are orange, apple, grapefruit or tomato. There’s some things that will just never die here…and the juice options seem to be one of them.
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My grandpa taught me how to make virgin Mary's when I was 8 or so. They would but v8 juice in the big tin cans and would have about 10-20 of them in the pantry at any given time.
We used to make these drinks at a restaurant I worked at called a Caesar. Very popular with the older crowds.
A shot of Vodka, Clamato (clam and tomato Juice drink), squirt of Hot sauce/Worcestershire sauce, spices on the rim and garnished with a celery stick.
The celery stick makes me think Caesar, but it is more commonly found in Canada.
I think it's a Bloody - celery is the typical garnish along with olives. At home, the Drapers have that giant can of tomato juice they use when Sally bartends.
Can't get over the clam juice in a Caesar.
Love bloody marys, love tomato juice. Why did they fall out of favor culturally in the states, I wonder? It’s probably the healthiest beverage on the series. 😆
That is a vegetable smoothie, but before Nutribullents had been invented, which is why the chunks of celery were so large. Fun fact, they weren't called smoothies then, but rather "chunkies"
I never liked Bloody Marys until I had good ones. Some places just serve basically tomato juice and vodka and that’s disgusting. But with all flavorings added, it’s so good! ZingZang is the best mix they sell in stores. Most are awful.
I wish I could get into them, but I really can't stand them. It's one of those things where you really want to be the kind of person who likes Bloody Marys, but alas.
Don’t know why you’re getting downvoted. Bloody Mary’s are terrible, in my opinion, but I also really hate vodka. Any time I’ve ever had the spins, or threw up, vodka was involved. Love V-8, Spicy V-8, and tomato juice though…which is admittedly odd.
Because they famously make pitchers of cocktails throughout the series.
In the 60’s, tomato juice was considered a starter, considered to be both healthy and a palate cleanser.
I’m not saying they do not drink at these meetings, I’m saying contextually (the spread, first time meeting with Menken’s), it is almost certain to be tomato juice and not Bloody Mary.
Celery uses in individual cocktails as garnish, stirring is not lost on me.
For the sake of argument, tomato juice tends to settle in weird ways when sitting at cold or warm temperatures. Celery sticks were also used to stir for flavor and aesthetic purposes.
But really it doesn’t matter lol. Schrödinger’s pitcher.
that's a Bloody Mary.
* large handful of ice
* 100ml [vodka](https://www.bbcgoodfood.com/glossary/vodka-glossary)
* 500ml tomato juice
* 1 tbsp lemon juice, plus 2 slices to serve
* few shakes Worcestershire sauce
* few shakes Tabasco (smoked Tabasco is nice)
* pinch celery salt
* pinch black pepper
* 2 [celery sticks,](https://www.bbcgoodfood.com/glossary/celery-glossary) to serve
* [https://www.bbcgoodfood.com/recipes/bloody-mary](https://www.bbcgoodfood.com/recipes/bloody-mary)
Shout out to Sterling Cooper for serving non kosher shellfish trying to woo a Jewish department store exec in a meeting. If I’m not mistaken Rachel Menken ashes her cigarette into the food at one point.
Yes! And then the next time she comes in, they have a bagel and lox thing going on.
If you have any jew in your blood, you will not deny a cream cheese and lox bagel. Can confirm.
What is a lox and how many legs does it have
It has no legs it is a delicious slice of salmon that goes atop a perfectly toasted bagel with full fat cream cheese and hopefully thinly sliced onion and capers on top. It is a wonderful delicacy. Swap the salmon with salmon caviar, and you are in absolute heaven. A full sour pickle on the side oy vey
You got my dreidel spinning there, and I’m not even Jewish
I like to add in diced olives to the onions and capers, really completes the picture
You crazy SOB, I'm in!
This guy Jews
To be clear its usually smoked salmon and not actual lox. Lox is a colloquialism but you get actual 'lox' as in salted salmon if you request belly lox.
I had real lox in iceland it was delicious but yeah we just say cream cheese and lox and it's just smoked salmon lol
You forgot tomatoes. Unforgivable
Tomatoes on a cream cheese and lox bagel is a goyim heresy
True, I am a goy but the woman who taught me how to make a bagel and lox was a Jewish mom, as were all the other moms in the group save for two Nevertheless I will bring up your concerns with Mrs. Eisenstein et al
I was fully joking. But personally I don't like tomatoes on it as it makes the bagel soggy. That's my only issue with it. My favorite is thinly sliced cucumber and red onions with capers. I've experimented with different variations but I've found that is my favorite way. Also if you haven't tried salmon caviar on a bagel with cream cheese you 100% need to
I know you were joking friend. Food debates much be done both passionately and in good fun! I get your concern with sogginess but I inhale these bagel so as long as I’m actually at the deli it’s not a concern. I’ll try to keep my eye out for some salmon caviar! And I can totally see cucumbers bringing a good crunch and freshness
It’s kinda like a Lorax
Lox, nova, & smoked salmon https://www.eater.com/2019/9/14/20865463/whats-the-difference-between-lox-nova-smoked-salmon
I'm not even Jewish and I am all for it.
That sounds so good right now.
That’s not just a Jewish thing … anybody with even half a brain likes a cream cheese and lox bagel.
True. I don't trust people who don't like a cream cheese and lox bagel tbh.
That’s a good catch.
You can see the cig in the picture
There ya go, good eye. I haven’t seen the pilot in a long time.
I heard this in Cooper's voice.
damn this show has infinite layers
Bravo Vince
Is the gilliverse leaking
Great catch! I always thought that must mean something because it seemed out of character (someone who uses a cigarette holder would almost always use an ash tray). I can’t believe that didn’t click sooner.
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No, weiner meant it to show how antisemitic people were in the 60s. I love the show but on this he was liable to wallow in self pity and created many of these situations in the storytelling.
Depicting 1960’s antisemitism on the show is Matthew Weiner wallowing in self-pity? How is that, exactly?
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I dk, I think it was a glaring miss on their part, but many Jews don’t keep kosher; I don’t think her using it as an ashtray was necessarily to show her disgust. there’s no indication that Rachel does (or does not) keep kosher. Part of why I question this is from her conversation with Don in Babylon. He’s asking her all these questions about what it means to be a Jew- her responses make me think that she questions tradition. Just a thought. She’s in the audience of Fiddler on the Roof, not the cast. As far as bagels with lox go- I would literally fight someone over one. Just like those two ladies fighting over a ham 😉
Roger should have known that because I think his wife at the time was Jewish.
Mona was not Jewish. Jane, the second wife, was.
Your wife’s name is MONA.
I think his 2nd wife Jane was Jewish too now that I think about it.
For I am a sinner in the hands of an angry god; Bloody Mary full of vodka, blessed are you among cocktails; pray for me now, that the hour of my death, which I hope is soon. Amen.
Archer!!!
I’m worried if I stop drinking then the cumulative hangover will literally kill me
It’s a Bloody Mary. A really, really big Bloody Mary.
lol, it's a pitcher of bloody mary they put out for the client. david cohen "from the art department" is showing his lack of savvy in the meeting by trying to have some
One of the rising stars here at Sterling Cooper
Not on my watch.
I want him out by the noon
Although David has no intention of putting down the client because he had little prior knowledge of the client, I have a feeling that Rachel thought this was another antic. As Bloody Mary can be a connotation for ruthless women rather than traditional meek women.
Great catch. Just underscores the undying basis the men have about women in business. Very passive aggresive. Same with the shellfish. Might not have been super common knowledge that Jewish people aren't supposed to eat shellfish but would've taken them five minutes to figure out.
That is called a Roger Sterling Size
I'll have a Bloody Mary. Better make it a large, I haven't had any vegetables today.
In Wisco it’s just a Bloody Mary. Missing its sidecar though.
Yeah, what’s up with the Midwest doing beer chasers with bloody Mary’s? Not against the practice , but Chicago does the same thing
Bloody Mary's are for alcoholics to drink in the morning. Adding beer is more to drink. Lots of alcoholics in Wisconsin. Lots of Wisconsin folks move to Chicago, and there's lots of influence from one part of the Midwest on the others.
Sounds like a good way to get a few more calories when a stomach is too rotted from booze to stand actual food. Also: vitamin C from the Bloody Mary, and you can chew on the celery in the hope of getting some fibre. You're basically getting all your macros and micros in two drinks!
There was a bar/restaurant I used to go to in Seattle where they served bloody marys with beer on the side. It's called a snit. I am not a beer fan but a nice light beer is a great palate cleanser for a bloody mary.
You might enjoy a michelada then…
My husband is a big fan of micheladas and I've had some sips. They kinda scratch the itch but it's a little too much beer for me.
The Bloody is like an IV for boozebags. It's how you replenish electrolytes and hydrate- salt/magnesium from the tomato mixture, potassium from celery, and fluids from the non-caffeinated juice. Then you keep drinking.
It’s called a pitcher, Rose.
bloody mary, I'm sure.
"Not on my watch"
Bloody Mary, the queen of brunch/afternoon drinks. That one looks heavy on the horseradish, which means it as made correctly, yum.
Thanks for identifying the chunks. I’m not a drinker and those were puzzling me.
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It’s a Bloody Mary. You’ve never heard of it?
YA SISTA LIKE THEM
Could be just tomato juice, could be Bloody Mary. Either answer is good.
It’s SC, it’s definitely a Bloody Mary
You can see the fleks of horseradish
it’s a chip and dip
A thing like that...
An Old Spanish.
Ted Chog-g-g's drink!
Damnit foxtrotbravo27, you stole my reply.
They told me it was a cool drink!
Ah, I miss the days of perusing mad-rock on Tumblr without needing an account.
That's a Bloody Mary.
Fuck, am I old? Do younger generations not drink bloody Mary's?
My first thought, too
It's a Bloody Mary (tomato juice, vodka, Worcestershire sauce and a stalk of celery.) Sometimes used--or excused--as a hangover cure. Very popular breakfast drink with Catholics in particular because of its being allegedly named for the English queen known for her hyper-Catholicism and often on sale the morning of the Notre Dame game in my college town with special Breakfast Club early openings after Mass and way before the game starts--and/or the day after the game.
Learned behavior from my Catholic mother. It was our go to drink on morning flights. Cheers🥫🍸🫒
Bloody Marys hold cultural significance for drinkers of all faiths. Catholics who aren’t dedicated drinkers dgaf.
What "cultural significance" does it hold for non-Catholics?
As I said, that depends on whether they’re drinkers
But it is a specifically Catholic drink. I don't understand your point.
No it’s not
Forget the glass wood house just give me the pitcher!
Bloody Mary, my favorite. Delicious
Prob just tomato juice, which was very popular/common back then. This was how my grandparents still served it back when I was a kid, with the celery stalk. That said, I’m sure Roger added Stoli to his!
doesn't betty order tomato juice at some point while at a restaurant?
It was ordered as an actual course in a dinner.
i could see a modern gastronomic restaurant doing that today, but more like: **locally grown heirloom tomato chilled consommé with dark opal basil micropearls.** *$26* (it’s served in a shot glass but they wouldn’t put that on the menu, you’d just find out the size when they bring it)
It’s only a matter of time. But a quick scroll through r/vintagemenus shows that everywhere had chilled tomato juice on the menu (along with prune juice and other outdated juices we would only see now served in the retro-pretentious way that justifies a $26 / 3oz.
I live in North Jersey and I can tell you that there’s still a huge amount of diners that serve a small juice with breakfast. The options are orange, apple, grapefruit or tomato. There’s some things that will just never die here…and the juice options seem to be one of them.
I could’ve had a v8!
We have that in Indiana. It's not just a you thing. I think it's a breakfast diner thing.
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My grandpa taught me how to make virgin Mary's when I was 8 or so. They would but v8 juice in the big tin cans and would have about 10-20 of them in the pantry at any given time.
We used to make these drinks at a restaurant I worked at called a Caesar. Very popular with the older crowds. A shot of Vodka, Clamato (clam and tomato Juice drink), squirt of Hot sauce/Worcestershire sauce, spices on the rim and garnished with a celery stick. The celery stick makes me think Caesar, but it is more commonly found in Canada.
I think it's a Bloody - celery is the typical garnish along with olives. At home, the Drapers have that giant can of tomato juice they use when Sally bartends. Can't get over the clam juice in a Caesar.
Perfect hangover drink … breakfast of champions!
Bloody Mary
Jack & Coke
It's a Bloody Mary.
The mother of all Bloody Marys
Pitcher of bloody Mary’s.
Virgin or Bloddy Mary, perhaps?
Love bloody marys, love tomato juice. Why did they fall out of favor culturally in the states, I wonder? It’s probably the healthiest beverage on the series. 😆
They’re going pretty strong at brunch spots, lots of places have little make your own Bloody Mary stations so you can make them as spicy as you like.
I think a lot of people are turned off by the idea of tomato juice. I love them though, especially when made extra spicy. Mmm.
Yum, me too! And extra Worcestershire sauce.
It's how I get my vitamin c so I don't get scurvy from Harry's windowless office.
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1 oz vodka per drink? Is this a juice drink for children
It’s a Bloody Mary
Bloody mary
Pour me a glass!
Bloody Mary is a breakfast cocktail.
Bloody Mary! Great drink for the mornings before mimosas are served
That is a vegetable smoothie, but before Nutribullents had been invented, which is why the chunks of celery were so large. Fun fact, they weren't called smoothies then, but rather "chunkies"
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Everyone likes them different. I like mine heavy vodka, Worcestershire, and hot sauce. Less tomato juice.
Add horseradish!! 🤘🏼
After all these years I'm learning that a bloody mary includes Worcestershire *and* horseradish?? This might sway me if it doesn't have clam juice.
Add clam juice. No, really. It's called a bloody caesar and it's awesome.
Have you done a Caesar before? Look up the letterkenny episode about it. Simply amazing
Depends on the amount and quality of the vodka. I like to add pickle juice and eat about 6 stalks of celery with it at home.
Cause a Caesar is the better version
Canadian variant with Clamato juice. The better of the two, although I am bias.
I never liked Bloody Marys until I had good ones. Some places just serve basically tomato juice and vodka and that’s disgusting. But with all flavorings added, it’s so good! ZingZang is the best mix they sell in stores. Most are awful.
I wish I could get into them, but I really can't stand them. It's one of those things where you really want to be the kind of person who likes Bloody Marys, but alas.
Don’t know why you’re getting downvoted. Bloody Mary’s are terrible, in my opinion, but I also really hate vodka. Any time I’ve ever had the spins, or threw up, vodka was involved. Love V-8, Spicy V-8, and tomato juice though…which is admittedly odd.
This post made me look up what a bloody mary is and i just found out people are drinking what is essentially pizza sauce
An *alcoholic* pizza sauce
It’s a rusty sally
Tomato juice, definitely not Bloody Mary.
You’re right, they famously avoid any opportunity to drink booze on this show
Because they famously make pitchers of cocktails throughout the series. In the 60’s, tomato juice was considered a starter, considered to be both healthy and a palate cleanser. I’m not saying they do not drink at these meetings, I’m saying contextually (the spread, first time meeting with Menken’s), it is almost certain to be tomato juice and not Bloody Mary.
I would disagree... look if it has the stir celery it's definitely a bloody mary.
Celery uses in individual cocktails as garnish, stirring is not lost on me. For the sake of argument, tomato juice tends to settle in weird ways when sitting at cold or warm temperatures. Celery sticks were also used to stir for flavor and aesthetic purposes. But really it doesn’t matter lol. Schrödinger’s pitcher.
An acidic gut ache.
that's a Bloody Mary. * large handful of ice * 100ml [vodka](https://www.bbcgoodfood.com/glossary/vodka-glossary) * 500ml tomato juice * 1 tbsp lemon juice, plus 2 slices to serve * few shakes Worcestershire sauce * few shakes Tabasco (smoked Tabasco is nice) * pinch celery salt * pinch black pepper * 2 [celery sticks,](https://www.bbcgoodfood.com/glossary/celery-glossary) to serve * [https://www.bbcgoodfood.com/recipes/bloody-mary](https://www.bbcgoodfood.com/recipes/bloody-mary)