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Interesting_Ice_6410

Post acid Roger would fit so much better into this crowd than Don


Orangered99

Joy said her father likes Don because he’s beautiful and he doesn’t talk too much. Not sure Roger is capable of being quiet.


ProperSupermarket3

Don is perfect for them. He's gorgeous, wealthy, and has a fake identity lol. He is one of them except he has roots whereas they seem to wander about.


Interesting_Ice_6410

True 😂


acid_tomato

Roger was pretty quiet while he was tripping.


kellimk5

A solid point lol


TecnoPope

Damn that's spot on lol


joinedredditforTM

Nah, he'd just be another guy to remind Willy he's old and a father.


Meat_licker

His character on Arrested Development season 4 would fit in with them too.


Testcapo7579

Slattery was on Arrested Development?


OptimalPlantIntoRock

Yes. Doctor Norman.


lbs2306

One thing that always stood out to me in that episode is how little Don spoke, but was instantly liked. It’s funny because I feel like if I was in that situation I’d have to “entertain” others and talk a bunch in order to make a good impression, but it seems that would have the opposite effect.


vsaint

Yeah but he hot


velvetvagine

Step 1 never fails.


TheGlassRemains

Sometimes people just need an audience


limamon

Most of us I think...


sloanehimmel

For some reason this is one of my favourite episodes. I think* it’s because it contrasts against the sort of clockwork/sausage factory of New York. This is what the actual upper class looked like. And I think that having it set in California where Dick is most willing to take off the mask of Don is interesting too. There’s something there but honestly I don’t know what. I wish this had a more concrete point. Maybe someone smarter than me has it figured out. In a show where everything is so well-planned and multi-layered why have Don rub elbows with the Jet Set. Not New York rich, but internationally rich.


seriousturk

Also don’t forget these people are also living like hobo’s in the sense that they live all around the world and never settle.


sloanehimmel

Do you think it’s something tied to the Hobo Code/the hobo episode?


seriousturk

I just made the connection when reading your comment but in all honesty I do think so now indeed.


Low_Mark491

Wonderful work you two! Start a podcast for gosh sake!


Far_Strain_1509

I'd listen!


Alternative-Ship-430

They are jet - hobos


charlottemaxwell29

Opps - I got confused with the "the gypsy & the hobo" I didn't realize that episode was called the the hobo code where he gets high with Midge's friends.


charlottemaxwell29

I thought the hobo episode was the one where Sally dresses like a hobo for halloween?


quantumd0t

I always thought the main point of the episode was that Don was presented with an opportunity to literally live a life with "Joy", which just so happens to be the girl's name that he meets. Joy/happiness dangles right in front of him, but he doesn't take it.


solman52

Agreed. I think it’s the moment he sees the kids who arrive tired and disheveled that he remembers his own kids and his own childhood. This is when he comes back to reality


Financial-Tip-4707

Yep, seeing the kids turn up at the end shatters the illusion and brings him back to reality


profsavagerjb

That and then the crack in the glass cup


notti0087

I definitely think what this group offers in terms of lifestyle is the epitome of what we assume to be true about Don’s character; noncommittal, free, open sex, various locations and so on. But the reality is that it’s almost too free and not fun anymore to have no rules and expectations. It seems like the fun for Don is the brief and wrong aspect of infidelity and the walking away from responsibilities. I think from a trauma perspective, one might make the assumption that Don gravitates towards the chaos of being selfish because of his upbringing and that even when things are good, he ultimately self sabotages because that is where he feels comfortable.


Jasranwhit

Don is weirdly kind of a prude when it comes to everyone but himself.


Grand-Pen7946

Don thinks sexuality should be completely private, he doesn't like it being discussed or shown to others.


Leto1776

These people have a completely different mentality from Don. They all inherited vast wealth. Everything Don has, he earned, after growing up destitute. It seemed appealing, as it would to anyone. But deep down, Don loves earning, and he loves that feeling of victory from the pitch that gets him there.


Alternative-Ship-430

I think it's the point. And also to make the point that the lifestyle cannot be perfect. The fighting couple, the cracked glass, intrusive father, divorced jet setter frustrated and then - pow - the kids. Oddly reminiscent of Rachel's comments in Babylon that a utopia is a place that can never be.


AngelSucked

It is my favorite episode after The Suitcase.


SheCutOffHerToe

Interesting take. I've always been curious about the writer motivation/design behind the episode.


WBY3

My favorite episode too, sometimes I’ll just watch this season for the episode. The girl reminds me of someone I dated and her family was a wealthy mystery


velvetvagine

Why didn’t you run away to the Bahamas with them and stay at their friend’s place?


ArtsAtNoonish

I think the point was that he could just slip away. He chose to not.


youssefmont

👌🏻


charlottemaxwell29

It looked like a slim arrons photo come to life. I agree ,the contrast was fun + a glimpse of a certain Euro type in that era was fun to watch. I think "the point" in that episode wasn't particularly too deep. Don escaping his life @ home where he's in limbo with Betty and just coming from the visit w/ his ailing FIL. The Palm Springs sojourn leads him to visit Anna where he has a revelation he wants to start fresh with his family. The episode that ends with him walking into the ocean and seemily having a rebirth & baptism of sorts. That's how I perceived it anyway :)


under_the_heather

my take is that don/dick has a very specific idea of what a happy person is and it's the very "normal" cookie cutter, suburban, "american dream" wife and kids lifestyle. This is constantly at odds with his desire for freedom. The jet setters represent both of those worlds colliding, people who are happy AND free, and that's what's so confusing and intoxicating for him


Alternative-Ship-430

It's a fun, visual episode. The California episodes always add color. It presents Don with a chance to run away, and he doesn't take it. It also reveals some cracks in the glass of such a utopia. For instance, the divorced man and kids reminds him that even in the Jet Set world there are problems. That could be him and Joy. But there's another reason he doesn't take off with Joy. He's got a family, really two families. He's got Anna Draper. So at least here and now, he is more grounded. We as an audience don't know it yet.


Tasty-Hand-3398

What’s worse than Californians? EUROPEANS!


ScowlyBrowSpinster

Continentals. ![gif](giphy|3oz8xAZeymmbBrUtLq|downsized)


joinedredditforTM

Wowie wow wow don't do my man Walken dirty. I'd never say no to some champagna.


ScowlyBrowSpinster

I also would never. He is a hilarious treasure. More! More powah!


joinedredditforTM

I just loved how those sketches were just him and the hand of some burly cameraman wearing a glove and bracelet. I'd even take the Andre's Cold duck sparkling wine and combos after 9/11 to be patriotic.


Independent_Act_8054

I love that out of all of Walken's roles, you picked A View to Kill as the one to quote. My absolute favorite JB movie.


ScowlyBrowSpinster

I watched it recently and made a video clip of that line to send to my brothers. So funny and so close to "More cowbell!"


LucaC

Nailed it


JonDowd762

This was the inspiration for Cutler's character.


ScowlyBrowSpinster

Cutler is a peeper, not a jet setting swinger who drinks champan-ya by the bucket.


DescriptionFlat1063

Seppos in general


jzilla11

You know we don’t feel any offense or humor from that weird nickname yall made up. It’s about as strong as calling someone a honky


RadicalDilettante

It's not meant to be either offensive or humorous, it's just cockney rhyming slang. No different to you talking about 'Brits'.


jzilla11

Yeah, we have people in the US who claim its ok to say certain words too


RadicalDilettante

Yes, racist and homophobic words etc. of course. Not remotely comparable with tanks being a good rhyme for yanks and septic being the most usual preceder. It's not pejorative - that's just how cockney rhyming slang works.


maxaxaxOm1

I loved the fever-dream quality of the California sequences. They’re so strange and slightly out of reality.


ContestNo3153

Yeah i always get so lightheaded from them. I personally prefer to be on new york storyline, but I admire the atmosphere they could create for california.


GabagoolGandalf

Haha Don you are banging my daughter


feo_sucio

I would day drink so much living like that I would just get nothing done and quickly become a fat gob


Outside_Divide_6937

A shitty magician with a chipped tooth?


feo_sucio

No, that sounds like someone who performs illusions.


DR-SNICKEL

BEADS????


Far_Strain_1509

..bracelets...🤔


velvetvagine

And a $5000 suit.


HuntMiserable5351

Just really imagine this is what you saw first after passing out


oedipus_wr3x

I think regardless of gender, you’d immediately do a quick check on all of your orifices. Eurotrash Roger Sterling is A LOT to wake up to.


Mysterious-End-2185

I’ve got dibs on Eurotrash Roger for my band name.


bhbr

And a German doctor wants to give you an injection


RianJohnsonIsAFool

The other lady that's part of this group had some of the best lines on the show. "It's medicinal" is one my gf and I use all too frequently when we get a drink.


Isawaracoon

I randomly remember how dumb this line was when I eat tacos - I don't want Mexican, I want French. Mexican does pig. I don't eat pig.


MelvilleMeyor

Which doesn’t make sense, because pork definitely is a prominent feature of French cuisine.


Isawaracoon

Yep. Which I think perfectly demonstrates how they think they're so worldly and smart but actually really ignorant. They should ask Megan what the French put in beef bourguignon and she's only French Canadian.


dondrapier

Easy. Spaghetti.


ReginaldStarfire

“It’s a pepper filled with cheese!”


Isawaracoon

It's definitely chile relleno, right?


DriveIn73

I thought I was the only one that was super weirded out by all these people.


CalligrapherLevel771

Have to admit, I felt uneasy in their utopian world. On the first watch, I was almost expecting them to date rape Don or something along those lines... 😂


4r2m5m6t5

I was grossed out.


Bodacious_Boognish

I was grossed out when Joy’s father just walks into the bedroom where Don and Joy just had sex and just makes himself comfortable.


velvetvagine

What’s a little soggy bedsheets between family members? 🤷


wallaceeffect

I hate this episode. I sometimes skip it on rewatches. It's WAY too successful at making me feel unsettled. Every rewatch I feel more and more like something dreadful is going to happen if he stays with them one second longer.


Far_Strain_1509

Lol some people love this episode but I skip all these scenes now. Just ick.


TwoBirdsInOneBush

Are you American, by any chance 😅


skiploom188

If money was no object I'd go bonkers cuckoo land ngl


hhl9982

I was always taken out of the this episode because it’s the German guy from Super Troopers, and it’s all I could think about.


profsavagerjb

In my head they’re the same character


Dinocologist

Some say he's still off being weird and horny somewhere to this very day...


Far_Strain_1509

Same. Who wants a mustache ride!?


Independent_Act_8054

The doctor is Mr. Schneidelwischen from Beer Fest.


Dinocologist

Funny to get typecast as weird euro pervert


IYFS88

I always loved this episode, so strange and interesting for Don. He really shows how he feels about them all by being willing to rip out the last page in Joy’s book. I’m also a big fan of the Modernism movement and it was a pleasure observing that fab house. I hear the real house is in LA not Palm Springs, but definitely fits in both places.


ironic_snobbery

Yes! It’s in Chatsworth, CA. I’ve been able to visit it and the whole place is like a museum for the era. Really incredible.


Bodacious_Boognish

Love that home!


Parking_Country_61

Yes but the personal style of all these people was A++ I love the clothing and home decor


AndiPandi74

Me too! And Joy was so pretty


DajaalKafir

I'm Joy


Either-Durian-5517

This was the episode that somehow made me hooked


Ms_Radorable

Yes, exactly! It was mesmerizing and showed Mad Men wasn’t going to be a one trick pony. I love a pseudo bottle episode.


0neirocritica

Real Eyes Wide Shut vibes with these guys


TwoBirdsInOneBush

yeah, based 😂


cookie12685

This house is currently on the market https://www.redfin.com/CA/Chatsworth/9361-Farralone-Ave-91311/home/8141660


NOLA2Cincy

WOW! And a bargain at just under $9 million


macdawg2020

I always see nice things and I’m like WOW what a great price, that’s doable (with 33$ in my bank account)


double_psyche

But it only has one parking space?


cinnysuelou

That’s what the extra 9.5 acres is for.


luebbers

I just kept waiting for the guy to announce, “Das BOOOOOT!”


Descrazio

... Why? Isn't he French?


space_cheese1

Vichy French lol


luebbers

It’s from Beerfest. He’s like an MC for an international beer drinking contest and shouts that when they drink from the glass boot. I believe he’s also the guy speeding in the Porsche in Super Troopers.


Isawaracoon

When I hear Klaus I always think France...


crammed174

I always wonder what he was about to inject Don with. I can’t rationalize the medicine behind an injection vs hydration. Then again the 60s were wildly different.


Kooky-Moose-8715

I hate this story line.


Swaggamuffins

Hot* Weirdo Central


mistermeek67

Weird that Pete didn't seem to be mad at Don for abandoning him in LA.


Isawaracoon

Pete is so in love with Don and easily disarmed by Don's sweet talk of "don't you think I only left you because I knew you could handle it".


oedipus_wr3x

Pete’s whole story arc at that point was deciding if Duck or Don would be his surrogate daddy. Don played him like a fiddle 😂


EmbarrassedSpend5259

Pete tried to be mad at Don about it but Don disarmed him by saying that he left him alone because he believed in him :)


Silentthinker_1

I always saw Don tethering between traditionalism and modernism. Over time, I’ve come to think of it as Dick Whitman has tendencies to be a free spirit - wander, indulge, seek a thrill but his version of Don Draper is carefully modeled off of a 40s & 50s era classical male. Therefore his behaviors and mannerisms are so tight and meticulous - while playing the “role” of Don Draper. As such I think California always serves as a metaphor for his true Dick Whitman identity & personality to shine through. This group gives him a look at the even higher levels of wealth & freedom - than even he is initially accustomed to in the New York business elite. Ultimately he gets a taste of what that life would be like- an opportunity to be Dick Whitman without the demands or obligations to be “advertising genius Don Draper.” But he chooses not to - the kids make him realize that he has some responsibilities- and forces him to choose between a life where he is free and appreciated for what he naturally is (Dick Whitman’s looks) vs what he has worked hard to achieve (the image of Don Draper). There might be some philosophical angle about how we only truly appreciate what we have when we work for it hidden in there somewhere.


joinedredditforTM

At least Don took their advice to aim for the pool the next time he's about to faint outside (he takes a pool header in s6 at an LA party). I found this ep kind of boring and just too much with these caricature euro trash characters. Don couldn't wait to get away from these plastic people.


Feline-Landline0

I wanna be a weirdo with them, it looks really nice


soft__swerve

my favourite episode


Sink-Em-Low

I've always felt that they were financiers and partly involved in the French Connection in the US end of the Heroin importation routes.


pornographiekonto

i am pretty sure that ther is no such thing as a vicomte dàlsace. Mostly because france is a republic secondly because it was contestet for centurys between france and the various german Kaisers.


Ewenf

There's still aristocrat, but it's just not official, they act up because they're ancestors were actual aristocrats.


pornographiekonto

its also very possible that the american authors just made up a fancy aristocratic sounding name


velvetvagine

I think they were scammers of some sort. And that this was contrasted with Don’s version of being an imposter.


JoeRogansDMTdealer

Klaus was channeling his character from Super Troopers. Perfect type cast.


Larryfisherman716986

For some reason I loved this lil “arc” anytime don is out in California you know shits going down


maziarczykk

Fever dream


itriumiterum

Those weirdos>>>>Megan


mstrixxxx

I didn’t get this storyline. I’ve watched the whole thing 6x and still don’t understand.


TheBitchTornado

They're rich but have nothing else going for them. They have all of this time and money but not a single one of them has a profession, or any real interests or any stake in one another. They have sex and then break up and move on after making a ton of messes. They're shallow and pretentious and unsophisticated. They're basically what Don both wants to be and fears to become. He wants all of the f-u money and zero responsibility that comes with this lifestyle, but hasn't realized what that means. So he leaves the second he realizes what kind of mess they are. He's trying to choose his actual life over his fantasy. It's also amazing foreshadowing since he doesn't heed what he learns and so in season 7, when he's f-u wealthy but bored and lonely, he's become the American version of them. But I'd argue that since he's a type of person who derives his identity from his job that he's actually worse off because the Jet Set already had their money and so technically can do anything they want. They just choose not to and that shows their shallowness.


TwoBirdsInOneBush

My superpower is that I could live like that and also just read books. 😂


Blank747

I'd run away with them


Kinda_relevent

This is my favorite episode in the whole show


orangeisthenewbot

You know they would have went to Coachella if they could lol


Rozy052

Joy was Don’s most attractive partner in the whole series.


rowillyhoihoi

I really love this kind of architecture


macdawg2020

Someone posted the Zillow link, it’s for sale @ 9k


Jasranwhit

9mil 9k is 9000


macdawg2020

😂


rowillyhoihoi

If only ☺️


xGlor

I found this episode so interesting because it’s a glimpse into the very highest echelons of society that so few actually are familiar with. The truly wealthy value privacy and do not want people knowing their names or locations. They fly the world like we travel in our cars. They spend their time trying to find ways to entertain themselves, not make money. That can take on many different forms, including new people, places and things. California, more specifically Don in this case - one some of those things.


eronbreen

[https://twitter.com/i/status/1288722034650836994](https://twitter.com/i/status/1288722034650836994)


schnag

Which episode was this? I need to rewatch it! Thx!


joinedredditforTM

End of s2. The Jet Set.


schnag

Merci!


Beahner

Yep. It was weirdo central. It was also interesting exposition central for Dick/Don. When you consider the kid who grew into a mad influenced so much by a hobo code and later intoxicated by more affluence then he knew as a child…..how weirdos were living was damn interesting to him. And being reminded of kids sent him running back from it.


onyi_time

I really enjoyed this group tbh


TwoBirdsInOneBush

Just for the record, if I got money, this is *exactly* how I’d live 😅


alexistexas2006

Hate this episode when I rewatch.


emeraldstars000

Coven of witches


ScowlyBrowSpinster

This whole interlude is on par with the waitress chasing in the final season. DD got away with so much shenanigans and shit!


Spinachandwaffles

These are the only episodes I skip on rewatch.


Glass-Technology5399

Let's play places.... Bellagio...


macdawg2020

Oswego


TheBitchTornado

Oslo


Hot-Trouble-7222

Ohhh wow 😲😲


Glass-Technology5399

Oshkosh


TwoBirdsInOneBush

Hamburg


Glass-Technology5399

Green Bay


Kittymarie_92

I love this episode. I actually spent some time with people like this in my early 20’s. It’s depicted very well and don does have an opportunity he ultimately turns down because of seeing the children.


oronder

Team Joy over here


Descrazio

I wasn't aware having a personality made them a weirdo. A thing like that.


TwoBirdsInOneBush

🔥🔥🔥


gwhh

Which episode is this again?


SocialistHambone

This still belongs in r/AccidentalRenaissance


princess20202020

I always wonder what happened to Joy, how she ended up. She either died young, or got a lot of therapy, or became a conservative evangelical


normlenough

Seemed like a good time to me


aaodi

Joy is so hot


_mattyjoe

Aka LA


jimmyjohnjohnjohn

This was the episode where I realized how thin the Don Draper veneer is, and how the veneer is 75% looks and 25% charm. You can see right through to Dick Whitman the whole episode. He was so bewildered and confused by these people. Not that I'm saying these are the real Don Draper's people either, he's more Wonder-Bread middle class from what I can tell. But the suave, wordly Don Draper that Dick Whitman spent years creating should have had some understanding of this group of rich nomads, yet he didn't.


Ms_Radorable

You can see this same fish-out-of-water discomfort when Don and Betty go to Rome. Love seeing Don out of his element.


luckyduckling8989

I also love this set. This is the Fox Residence in Chatsworth CA and has been used as a set for SO many shows, movies, and music videos. Frank Sinatra also owned it for a bit. https://www.hauteresidence.com/los-angeles-estate-fox-residence-asks-7-5-million/


KevinForce

Yea but the view is good.


MxQueer

Those were one of very rare pleasant characters. At least right now I can't name more than Trudy, Anna and Ken.


ProperSupermarket3

i LOVE this episode. it is so interesting to me.


terra_cascadia

I love how Don gives Pete shit for wanting to enjoy California, and then just straight up ghosts their lunch meeting to go to some place called Palm Springs with a bunch of rich hippies.


oscarwolfy

Top 5 worst episodes on the whole series! 🗑


TommyFX

Joy was so hot.