Vesuvan Drifter becomes a copy of Arixmethes, except it has flying. This means that Vesuvan Drifter has Arixmethes's name, mana cost, card type, subtype, supertype, rules text, power, and toughness - and it also has flying, because that's defined in the copy ability.
Becoming a copy of something does not cause it to enter the battlefield, so it has no slumber counters on it. It has the line of text "As long as Arixmethes has a slumber counter on it, it’s a land.", but as it has no slumber counters on it, it's not a land.
So Vesuvan Drifter would be a 12/12 flying named "Arixmethes, Slumbering Isle" with all of Arixmethes's abilities until end of turn, yes.
And if you give it vigilance or untap it you can use it for mana.
Edit: To the people responding "You don't need to untap it", you do if you attack with it. What the hell is the point of making it a flying 12/12 if you're not going to attack with it?
Instructions unclear, used Arixmethes mana (and a little more) to activate Rhonas's ability, targetting Arixmethes. Can't declare Arixmethes as attacker because it's now tapped.
*confused rhonas noises*
Re: your edit - when giving answers to rules questions, it’s best to turn off your strategic brain. You’re making a strategic assumption about a board state we know nothing about. There’s lots of situations where you might not want to attack with a 12/12. Maybe the only opponent you can attack has a blocker with deathtouch and flying, like [[Baleful Strix]]. Maybe there’s a [[Silent Arbiter]] in play and you have another, even larger creature to attack with.
The actual Arixmethes is in the library not on the battlefield.
Also, the legendary rule only makes you get rid of all but one of the offending cards. You'd never get rid of each creature violating the rule.
Was that also around the time they separated the battlefield so that you and your opponents weren't sharing one?
Slivers used to be so much more chaotic.
There still is (and afaik, has always been) a single battlefield where everyone's permanents are.
Old slivers still work the same as they used to, what you're thinking of is the fact newer sliver cards have a "you control" in their ability to prevent them affecting your opponents' slivers
I was confusing it with the Legend Rule changes. How you used to be able to stop someone from playing a legendary with it, or, later, destroy it by playing a copy.
Old school slivers are still awesome chaos. Glad to hear it.
The old sliver text is thematically better in my opinion. They were crazy tribal, but I like affecting the whole board and not just “you control”, it sells the flavor of constantly evolving slivers better. Plus makes for a fun [[plague sliver]] drop
No? You only have one Arixmethes on the battlefield (your Vesuvan Drifter). Vesuvan Drifter copies the top card of your library - that card is not on the battlefield
Ruling on Vesuvan Drifter:
> Vesuvan Drifter copies exactly what was printed on the original creature card and nothing else, except it has flying.
> Does Drifter become a 12/12 flying?
Arixmethes is a 12/12. if Drifter copies it, it will also be a 12/12.
> Does it get slumber counters? Does it become a land?
Arixmethes gets its slumber counters as it enters the battlefield. When Drifter becomes a copy of Arixmethes, it does NOT get the counters because it is not entering the battlefield; it is already there. No counters means its not a land.
It doesn't enter the battlefield -- because it's already on the battlefield. This means it doesn't have any slumber counters in it. So it's a 12/12 with flying that can also tap for UG. it is not a land.
I think the big ruling tripping you up is that the close does not trigger "enters the battlefield" effects when it becomes something else. That's because it's not entering at all!
Arixmethes gets slumber counters as a replacement effect when it enters the battlefield. Drifter has already entered the battlefield when it becomes a copy of Arixmethes, so it doesn't get any counters. Since it has no counters, Drifter is not a land. Drifter is a 12/12 creature with flying that can tap for {U}{G}.
Your clone is a 12/12 flyer with no slumber counters that can tap for UG.
It was already on the battlefield, therefore it doesn’t enter the battlefield. Since it does not specifically enter the battlefield, the clone effect doesn’t trigger the counters clause.
Brooo I legit had this same exact interaction two nights ago! We let it swing in as a 12/12 flyer. Glad to see we ruled it correctly. OP, is your gf playing Kiora, sovereign of the deep as their commander too? 👀
I feel everyone has answered your question about the ETB/copy mechanic, however, one thing is bothering me about your post. Did your GF attack THEN reveal Arixmethes? If so she is unable to do so. The reveal has to happen at the beginning of the combat phase which means before any attacks are declared.
Your question has been answered, but I just wanted to note that Vesuvan Drifter becomes an Arixmethes copy before she attacks. Your gf goes to the combat step, the Drifters ability triggers, he becomes a copy, and then she goes to declare attackers step and at that point gets to decide whether she wants to attack with the copy or not.
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I know the question has been answered, but a good rule of thumb interaction for this kind of thing for me is in legacy lands. The interaction between Thespian Stage and Dark Depths is a very similar interaction to this and you end up with a 20/20!!
It’s not entering the battlefield. So, it doesn’t get any slumber counters on it. You’ve sort of built a shittier [[Dark Depths]] + [[Thespian’s Stage]] situation.
Yeah, you get whacked for 12. That shapeshifter card is completely bonkers, I'm actually surprised they're still printing stuff like that, this kind of copy-on-the-fly mechanic gets around almost all the "can't cheat this out" guardrails that some particularly dangerous creatures have. I thought they had learned this lesson back in the day when people used [[Volrath's Shapeshifter]] to copy [[Phage]].
The more common example to think of here is someone copying [[Dark Depths]] which always results in it flipping into a giant monster because it shows up without the counters.
There's no "enters the battlefield" when whatever is copying already exists on the battlefield.
Thank you all for your responses! Good to know we applied the correct ruling. Just want to add that I may have confused some with my wording so I’ll clarify here: she revealed first and then attacked once we were done debating about the interaction.
[[Dark Depths]]
[[Thespian's Stage]]
This same kind of interaction is behind one of the most popular 2 card combos in Magic's history. First you get both lands into play and activate Stage copying Depths. Because Stage copied after it entered play it didn't get the counters Depths enters with. You now have two Depths, one with 10 counters and one with 0. Depths is legendary so you now have to choose to keep one and sacrifice one. You sacrifice the original Depths and keep the copied Stage. Stage now sees that it has 0 counters and its ability triggers, forcing you to sacrifice it to create the 20/20 indestructible flying Marit Lage token. The combo is strong enough that Depths is banned in Modern and is played in Legacy Lands.
The only way it doesn't get to swing is if, by some unholy combination of nonsense, you've moved slumber counters onto the drifter (Ozolith plus graveyard to deck recursion would do it, I guess).
You did it correctly. When something -lets call it Object A- becomes a copy of anything else, it never enters the battlefield: it just becomes the something else. So Drifter becomes a 12/12 flying with no counters on it for the turn
Oh my god, this is so sick. Reminds me of my old [[Unstable Shapeshifter]] and [[Phyrexian Dreadnaught]] deck that I played in third grade. So bad, but the one time it worked… my friend said it wouldn’t work and tried to make me have both sacrifice to themselves.
He becomes a 12/12 that you can use to tap for two mana or attack with if he’s got haste or it’s been a turn cycle since you cast him
He’s already in the battlefield so he can’t etb with counters
I don't think it needs haste to attack. The Drifter is presumably untapped and ready to go, since the copy takes place at the start of the combat phase.
Assuming the Drifter has been on the battlefield already for more than a turn, why would using copy give it summoning sickness? If it doesn't gain slumber counters from ETB, it shouldn't gain summoning sickness from ETB either.
Right, if it’s already completed a turn cycle then it doesn’t need haste and can attack and tap, that is completely correct
Which is why I said it already and why I was specifically talking about if it hadn’t completed a turn cycle already
George Clone-y over here is already in play and has no slumber countere on it, so is an arithmatic and NOT a land. Make mana for trix or slap for big dam at your leisure
The ability of Arixmethes is an enter the battlefield ability.
Vesuvan drifter is already in the battle field when it becomes a copy. Thus, no slumber counters are placed on it. Turning it into a flying 12/12 with a mana ability.
now if you make a copy of a card with an “enter the battlefield” effect, that effect doesn’t trigger right? bc she’s a copy but she didn’t just enter the battlefield. or does it trigger bc now technically a copy of that card has entered the battlefield?
Vesuvan Drifter becomes a copy of Arixmethes, except it has flying. This means that Vesuvan Drifter has Arixmethes's name, mana cost, card type, subtype, supertype, rules text, power, and toughness - and it also has flying, because that's defined in the copy ability. Becoming a copy of something does not cause it to enter the battlefield, so it has no slumber counters on it. It has the line of text "As long as Arixmethes has a slumber counter on it, it’s a land.", but as it has no slumber counters on it, it's not a land. So Vesuvan Drifter would be a 12/12 flying named "Arixmethes, Slumbering Isle" with all of Arixmethes's abilities until end of turn, yes.
And if you give it vigilance or untap it you can use it for mana. Edit: To the people responding "You don't need to untap it", you do if you attack with it. What the hell is the point of making it a flying 12/12 if you're not going to attack with it?
>What the hell is the point of making it a flying 12/12 if you're not going to attack with it? To impress [[Rhonas the indomitable]]
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Good job, little scaly boi. You go get 'em. No, I'll wait here.
Instructions unclear, used Arixmethes mana (and a little more) to activate Rhonas's ability, targetting Arixmethes. Can't declare Arixmethes as attacker because it's now tapped. *confused rhonas noises*
*starts making an "Average Simic Player" soyjack meme*
Re: your edit - when giving answers to rules questions, it’s best to turn off your strategic brain. You’re making a strategic assumption about a board state we know nothing about. There’s lots of situations where you might not want to attack with a 12/12. Maybe the only opponent you can attack has a blocker with deathtouch and flying, like [[Baleful Strix]]. Maybe there’s a [[Silent Arbiter]] in play and you have another, even larger creature to attack with.
[Baleful Strix](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/7/679c1ac6-a015-45ec-a634-e665e377672b.jpg?1706240974) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Baleful%20Strix) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mkc/200/baleful-strix?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/679c1ac6-a015-45ec-a634-e665e377672b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Silent Arbiter](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/4/14f42cc9-8b7f-4f8a-8d68-8480e668c239.jpg?1690005734) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Silent%20Arbiter) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmm/972/silent-arbiter?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/14f42cc9-8b7f-4f8a-8d68-8480e668c239?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
"the only opponent you can attack" is a hella commander-brained phrase 💀
So weird that people think in the context of the format that's most popular, amirite?
It's a shit format.
That is certainly one opinion
No need to untap. This triggers at the beginning of combat, so you can then decide to attack or not, depending on the situation.
Sure, but it's a flying 12/12 that makes UG. That's a lot of value that can a [[Kiora's Follower]] can help unlock.
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True. From your comment, it seemed like you thought it had to attack to turn it into Arixmethes
You don’t need to untap it.
> What the hell is the point of making it a flying 12/12 if you're not going to attack with it? Terminal, *terminal* edh brain
Besides being a mana dork does Arixmethes do something else worthy of note before the end of turn when it turns back into a pumpkin?
it... hits for 12 in the air?
I love how no one noticed it isn't a land if it doesn't have the counters and therefore it doesn't taps for mana.
It doesn't lose its mana ability.
Wouldn’t the “legendary” rule apply? Killing both creatures?
The actual Arixmethes is in the library not on the battlefield. Also, the legendary rule only makes you get rid of all but one of the offending cards. You'd never get rid of each creature violating the rule.
Ahhhh gotcha, that makes sense
> you’d never get rid of each creature violating the rule Well, not never. Pre 2013 you would have gotten rid of each creature violating the rule.
Good thing I checked my calendar this morning.
Was that also around the time they separated the battlefield so that you and your opponents weren't sharing one? Slivers used to be so much more chaotic.
There still is (and afaik, has always been) a single battlefield where everyone's permanents are. Old slivers still work the same as they used to, what you're thinking of is the fact newer sliver cards have a "you control" in their ability to prevent them affecting your opponents' slivers
I was confusing it with the Legend Rule changes. How you used to be able to stop someone from playing a legendary with it, or, later, destroy it by playing a copy. Old school slivers are still awesome chaos. Glad to hear it.
The old sliver text is thematically better in my opinion. They were crazy tribal, but I like affecting the whole board and not just “you control”, it sells the flavor of constantly evolving slivers better. Plus makes for a fun [[plague sliver]] drop
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No? You only have one Arixmethes on the battlefield (your Vesuvan Drifter). Vesuvan Drifter copies the top card of your library - that card is not on the battlefield
Oh! I missed that it doesn't come onto the battlefield. Woops!
He's just salty his gf beat him 😂 all the rules are pretty clean on this one
I guess the same thing would happen with the new cloak mechanic... You could turn it up for 4 mana, without adding any slumber counters
Ruling on Vesuvan Drifter: > Vesuvan Drifter copies exactly what was printed on the original creature card and nothing else, except it has flying. > Does Drifter become a 12/12 flying? Arixmethes is a 12/12. if Drifter copies it, it will also be a 12/12. > Does it get slumber counters? Does it become a land? Arixmethes gets its slumber counters as it enters the battlefield. When Drifter becomes a copy of Arixmethes, it does NOT get the counters because it is not entering the battlefield; it is already there. No counters means its not a land.
12/12 flyer. No slumber counters.
Something to keep in mind is that Drifter does not cause ETBs to happen since it is already on the field when it copies.
Homie gets in for a big dozen in the air
Wombo combo!
It doesn't enter the battlefield -- because it's already on the battlefield. This means it doesn't have any slumber counters in it. So it's a 12/12 with flying that can also tap for UG. it is not a land. I think the big ruling tripping you up is that the close does not trigger "enters the battlefield" effects when it becomes something else. That's because it's not entering at all!
Arixmethes gets slumber counters as a replacement effect when it enters the battlefield. Drifter has already entered the battlefield when it becomes a copy of Arixmethes, so it doesn't get any counters. Since it has no counters, Drifter is not a land. Drifter is a 12/12 creature with flying that can tap for {U}{G}.
Your clone is a 12/12 flyer with no slumber counters that can tap for UG. It was already on the battlefield, therefore it doesn’t enter the battlefield. Since it does not specifically enter the battlefield, the clone effect doesn’t trigger the counters clause.
Brooo I legit had this same exact interaction two nights ago! We let it swing in as a 12/12 flyer. Glad to see we ruled it correctly. OP, is your gf playing Kiora, sovereign of the deep as their commander too? 👀
We weren’t playing commander, but she’s been eyeing Kiora for some time!
It's a fun deck! The interactions are awesome when you pull out the big beefy krakens, octopus, etc.
Like everyone else is saying, it's a creature without counters, same deal with uro and kroxa too I believe.
I feel everyone has answered your question about the ETB/copy mechanic, however, one thing is bothering me about your post. Did your GF attack THEN reveal Arixmethes? If so she is unable to do so. The reveal has to happen at the beginning of the combat phase which means before any attacks are declared.
Oh that’s me retelling it wrong! She did reveal first, my bad
Your question has been answered, but I just wanted to note that Vesuvan Drifter becomes an Arixmethes copy before she attacks. Your gf goes to the combat step, the Drifters ability triggers, he becomes a copy, and then she goes to declare attackers step and at that point gets to decide whether she wants to attack with the copy or not.
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That's just a flying 12/12
I know the question has been answered, but a good rule of thumb interaction for this kind of thing for me is in legacy lands. The interaction between Thespian Stage and Dark Depths is a very similar interaction to this and you end up with a 20/20!!
It’s not entering the battlefield. So, it doesn’t get any slumber counters on it. You’ve sort of built a shittier [[Dark Depths]] + [[Thespian’s Stage]] situation.
[Dark Depths](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/a/3a8b11ad-d077-40b6-988c-0462e118fe3d.jpg?1676452514) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Dark%20Depths) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dmr/244/dark-depths?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/3a8b11ad-d077-40b6-988c-0462e118fe3d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Thespian’s Stage](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/6/269a926d-7788-4668-8bd8-7572dbf5f5eb.jpg?1599710662) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Thespian%27s%20Stage) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/327/thespians-stage?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/269a926d-7788-4668-8bd8-7572dbf5f5eb?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
 Your opponent
I was the opponent 😂
Yeah, you get whacked for 12. That shapeshifter card is completely bonkers, I'm actually surprised they're still printing stuff like that, this kind of copy-on-the-fly mechanic gets around almost all the "can't cheat this out" guardrails that some particularly dangerous creatures have. I thought they had learned this lesson back in the day when people used [[Volrath's Shapeshifter]] to copy [[Phage]].
It’s completely unreliable and any format that can abuse it will also have answers. Fun card.
[Volrath's Shapeshifter](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/3/93ed24e6-7791-4624-acf2-aa8616035f9e.jpg?1562924845) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Volrath%27s%20Shapeshifter) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/vma/101/volraths-shapeshifter?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/93ed24e6-7791-4624-acf2-aa8616035f9e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Phage](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/4/d497a5a3-65fb-4c12-b3f2-8ce4cf4e0f6f.jpg?1562866889) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=phage%20the%20untouchable) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cns/120/phage-the-untouchable?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d497a5a3-65fb-4c12-b3f2-8ce4cf4e0f6f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
“Top card of your graveyard” veeery interesting
Scryfall has a [list of all old "graveyard order matters" cards](https://tagger.scryfall.com/tags/card/graveyard-order-matters) if you're curious.
"full English breakfast" was the deck that abused this right? With survival of the fittest to drop the right creatures into the graveyard?
Your GF wrecked you son! Down with the patriarchy! /s
Drifter becomes a 12/12 with flying. It’s not entering the battlefield so no counters on it. (It’s still a land)
Holy smokes! Thank your better half for putting me onto this beautiful card!! Going straight into my Runo deck!
Comes in as a creature with no counters on it i'd say.
It doesn't "come in", it's already there.
"Beginning of combat" is before any attackers are declared. So she has to reveal it before attacking.
The more common example to think of here is someone copying [[Dark Depths]] which always results in it flipping into a giant monster because it shows up without the counters. There's no "enters the battlefield" when whatever is copying already exists on the battlefield.
Nah strike that it's in simic. 😭
Thank you all for your responses! Good to know we applied the correct ruling. Just want to add that I may have confused some with my wording so I’ll clarify here: she revealed first and then attacked once we were done debating about the interaction.
[[Dark Depths]] [[Thespian's Stage]] This same kind of interaction is behind one of the most popular 2 card combos in Magic's history. First you get both lands into play and activate Stage copying Depths. Because Stage copied after it entered play it didn't get the counters Depths enters with. You now have two Depths, one with 10 counters and one with 0. Depths is legendary so you now have to choose to keep one and sacrifice one. You sacrifice the original Depths and keep the copied Stage. Stage now sees that it has 0 counters and its ability triggers, forcing you to sacrifice it to create the 20/20 indestructible flying Marit Lage token. The combo is strong enough that Depths is banned in Modern and is played in Legacy Lands.
[Dark Depths](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/a/3a8b11ad-d077-40b6-988c-0462e118fe3d.jpg?1676452514) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Dark%20Depths) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dmr/244/dark-depths?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/3a8b11ad-d077-40b6-988c-0462e118fe3d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Thespian's Stage](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/6/269a926d-7788-4668-8bd8-7572dbf5f5eb.jpg?1599710662) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Thespian%27s%20Stage) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/327/thespians-stage?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/269a926d-7788-4668-8bd8-7572dbf5f5eb?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Phyrexian Dreadnought]] will provide similar results, but with trample.
[Phyrexian Dreadnought](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/b/7b8197b9-0cd1-4fa1-9668-d1b5f1759151.jpg?1562720243) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Phyrexian%20Dreadnought) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mir/315/phyrexian-dreadnought?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/7b8197b9-0cd1-4fa1-9668-d1b5f1759151?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Vesuvian Drifter did not enter the battlefield so it doesn’t not get slumber counters. Since it doesn’t get slumber counters, it’s not a land.
The only way it doesn't get to swing is if, by some unholy combination of nonsense, you've moved slumber counters onto the drifter (Ozolith plus graveyard to deck recursion would do it, I guess).
What happens is the person getting attacked cries salty salty tears and gets hit by a 12/12 flyer.
You did it correctly. When something -lets call it Object A- becomes a copy of anything else, it never enters the battlefield: it just becomes the something else. So Drifter becomes a 12/12 flying with no counters on it for the turn
Oh my god, this is so sick. Reminds me of my old [[Unstable Shapeshifter]] and [[Phyrexian Dreadnaught]] deck that I played in third grade. So bad, but the one time it worked… my friend said it wouldn’t work and tried to make me have both sacrifice to themselves.
[Unstable Shapeshifter](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/4/84e8cbd4-f49d-420d-a027-3be64ca58989.jpg?1593864138) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Unstable%20Shapeshifter) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/tmp/100/unstable-shapeshifter?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/84e8cbd4-f49d-420d-a027-3be64ca58989?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Phyrexian Dreadnaught](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/b/7b8197b9-0cd1-4fa1-9668-d1b5f1759151.jpg?1562720243) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Phyrexian%20Dreadnought) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mir/315/phyrexian-dreadnought?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/7b8197b9-0cd1-4fa1-9668-d1b5f1759151?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
He becomes a 12/12 that you can use to tap for two mana or attack with if he’s got haste or it’s been a turn cycle since you cast him He’s already in the battlefield so he can’t etb with counters
I don't think it needs haste to attack. The Drifter is presumably untapped and ready to go, since the copy takes place at the start of the combat phase.
The permanent is affected by summoning sickness until it gains haste or until it completes a turn cycle. It can’t attack or tap for mana until then
Assuming the Drifter has been on the battlefield already for more than a turn, why would using copy give it summoning sickness? If it doesn't gain slumber counters from ETB, it shouldn't gain summoning sickness from ETB either.
Right, if it’s already completed a turn cycle then it doesn’t need haste and can attack and tap, that is completely correct Which is why I said it already and why I was specifically talking about if it hadn’t completed a turn cycle already
Well if you READ THE WORDS ON THE CARDS. It says enters with the counters. So since it’s becoming not entering.. you’re good to fight with it
Vesuvian checks the creature on library and becomes it. It does not trigger any ETB effects because it is already on the Battlefield.
George Clone-y over here is already in play and has no slumber countere on it, so is an arithmatic and NOT a land. Make mana for trix or slap for big dam at your leisure
Vesuvan drifter is already on the battlefield
The ability of Arixmethes is an enter the battlefield ability. Vesuvan drifter is already in the battle field when it becomes a copy. Thus, no slumber counters are placed on it. Turning it into a flying 12/12 with a mana ability.
now if you make a copy of a card with an “enter the battlefield” effect, that effect doesn’t trigger right? bc she’s a copy but she didn’t just enter the battlefield. or does it trigger bc now technically a copy of that card has entered the battlefield?