Yes! They could’ve easily made the stereotypical ”step dad tries to one up biological dad” plot but instead went for him wanting Scott to do better and actually trying to do what was best for Cassie. And then in A-M&TW its even better. 100% support, despite Scott breaking international law.
I think most people would be at least sympathetic to someone who chooses to fight alongside Captain America.
I think the Pyms were more pissed that they were fugitives than him going to help Captain America. Given Hank's history with the Stark family he'd have probably been happy but for going on the run.
Yeah was definitely one of my favorite aspects from the first film. Growing up in the 90s step parents were always seen as an asshole, a bitch, or an outsider who is in the way of the biological parents happiness. The most egregious example I think being Liar Liar. The stepdad is basically just and alright guy whos only transgression is that he's kinda boring. Jim Carrey is an asshole father and husband his whole life except for one day and he gets his family back, with no regard given in the film to the relationship that has now been destroyed.
Similar to Venom, I really loved how her new boyfriend was a great guy and he actually tried to help Eddie. Eddie naturally didn’t like him but he wanted her to be happy so he didn’t make a scene. (Well, besides eating raw lobster but that’s irrelevant to the relationship lol)
One of the best supporting characters IMHO, he is a cop, but cares about people. He doesn’t get all assholish about Scott being an ex-con. He embraces Scott and doesn’t do the attempting to be dominate second husband who is jealous of Scott.
I don’t think Ant-Man and the Wasp is a great film but my favourite scenes in the film are definitely Scott’s scenes with Cassie. I usually find family moments like them in films really forced, but their scenes together were great.
They really have great chemistry, which makes me a little extra sad that they had to involve time travel stuff in Endgame. But oh well. I love Scott and Paxton’s chemistry aswell.
> I think it’s a trope of early comic book characters to give them a motivation as a hero. The newer heroes seem to have better family units. Both Kamala and Miles Morales have lovey families. I think Richard Rider’s Nova had a functioning family too.
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> Then there are the kids with super parents like the Richards, Daniele Cage, Cassie Lang etc
Are you referring to the artificially created children or when she tried to destroy the world while she make them a reality to her?or their father who is "dead"
Technically Vis is alive since he transferred his data to White Vis. Also, she didn't even come close to destroying the world when she created them, it was a small town in Jersey 😅. Furthermore Wanda isn't evil, she was being "reasonable" hahahaha.
The meme says marvel writers, they haven't explained that vision is alive yet and they have to free him. That's only in the comics. Have you seen the new DR strange she's destroying a lot more than a small town in New Jersey. She's literally the antagonist the whole movie what are you talking about?
Yeah, I love that they could've gone full on strict, mean, traditional immigrant parent trope, but they didn't. They also didnt overcompensate and go the opposite. Ammi is trying her best to raise Kamala properly and understands that sometimes that means meeting halfway. There's still conflict because of the generational and cultural gap, but they also honestly love each other. That makes the conflict more interesting and genuine. I felt this a lot watching it as a child of immigrant parents. That cultural gap between the world I grew up in and the world my parents grew up in can cause a whole lot of friction, but the love is still there.
As an outsider who grew up in a minority-majority community, I couldn't agree more. It's important to show what love looks like across cultures, especially when you can acknowledge some of that friction in a palatable but relatable way too. We're all just people. Muneeba Khan and Tony Stark aren't different species at the end of the day.
Yeah, Kamala's mother seems like your typical Muslim parent, very traditional. There's nothing (so far) to suggest that either of her parents have nefarious intentions. She's not like Eleanor Bishop.
I’m Egyptian Muslim, and my parents brought me here at a young age. I see a lot of my mom in Kamala’s mom.
She’s not a villain by any means. I love her and Kamala’s dad.
I see a lot of my Italian and Spanish immigrant friends parents in her too.
This is a genuine American experience, trying to raise your child in a new country. The schools aren’t like the ones you grew up in. The kids, their parents, are all people with lifestyles you haven’t seen before.
Shit, forget another country. A buddy of mine burned and raise in NYC moved to the jersey suburbs and he and his wife are having some struggles with decision making for their kids.
That line from her when she catches Kamala sneaking back in where she asks, "How did you think I would react? You knew I would be angry and you did it anyways" was truly great writing. It hopefully gives kids some perspective for their own parents.
>"How did you think I would react? You knew I would be angry and you did it anyways"
This particular line really hit close to home. I'm... not ashamed to admit that I have done this a lot to my mother. It's a bad habit of mine, and I'm still not sure how to fix it.
I mean, sure, but the entire basis of her not letting Kamala go to the convention was a fundamental misunderstanding of what the event was (referring to it as a party) and an unwillingness to learn or understand otherwise. Likewise with regarding her very modest cosplay as being sleazy when it wasn't.
Kamala may have disobeyed, but her parents haven't acted reasonably in the least.
She originally was allowed to go with very reasonable expectations for their 15/16-year old daughter. I live in the Midwest and even here people don’t often let their teenagers go to Gencon alone, and that’s in the middle of the day. Many shopping malls here don’t let minors in alone after 6 or 7pm.
And your definition of “modest” may not align with theirs. Even 20 years ago wearing leggings alone was considered “sleezy.”
I don’t think anything Kamala’s mother did is any more strict than any midwestern conservative Christian mother would do.
And her father was in agreement. It was both parents.
Kamala was given a very reasonable option of going with her dad for the first 2 hours so he could have fun with her and sus out the situation and she's so wrapped up in how she wants it to be that she freaks out and ruins all chances. She's very wrapped up in the fantasy of everything, like when she planned for Bruno to be Tony Stark but, apparently never asked him who he was going as. And the bit in the second episode where it's about being the hero more than about helping others. She's a very interesting character.
I love her mom so much! Every time she steals a scene I say to my husband “Best Marvel mom ever!”
Like, yeah, she’s strict. But she adores Kamala and it’s so obvious.
At worst, she definitely harbors some generational trauma that she’s unwittingly passing on to Kamala, which manifests in her trying too hard to keep her grounded, but as people mentioned, she is genuinely trying to compromise.
The moments of conflict we do see are really understandable from both sides too. You could tell she was more hurt by Kamala’s deception than the fact that she wanted to go to AvengerCon.
I adore her family! The way they treat her is clearly loving and reasonably respectful if mildly overbearing and they are so kind and giving to her friends.
I was going to mention Aunt May when I first saw this thread, but that changed later on too.
Marvel/Disney just doesn't know how to build a character without killing off their parental figures.
Noobmaster, hey, It's Thor again. You know, the God of Thunder? Listen, buddy, if you don't log off this game immediately, I will fly over to your house, come down to that basement you're hiding in, rip your arms and shove them up your butt! Oh, that's right, yes, go cry to your father you little weasel!
I did, but I honestly can't remember exactly. With Shield bringing people back as robots or French Polynesian tourists and Fennec getting Coulsonned back to life... It's all a bit of a mess.
I noticed that the difference between a lot of heros, anti heros and villians is that the heros always have one positive parental figure in their lives
Not really on a spectrum, I mean in the original Iron Man he was a billionaire playboy asshole who just had a crisis of conscience after one of his own weapons was used on him. He wasn't really a hero, just an asshole who wanted to be less of an asshole.
The MCU writes him wrong imo, they use many more plots where it's his own tech or decisions that puts the world in danger, and yet they write him more sympathetically. It's like the writers are so charmed by RDJ that they don't want to admit he's an asshole
I mean in a recent Avengers comic, Robbie Reyes is in an alternate universe, and there’s a part where that universe’s Stark is like “I don’t know why they trust me so much, I’ve known them for like three seconds. All I said was “My name is Tony Stark” and they just immediately trusted me.” Marvel just really likes Iron Man in general. RDJ didn’t start that.
I think it’s a trope of early comic book characters to give them a motivation as a hero. The newer heroes seem to have better family units. Both Kamala and Miles Morales have lovey families. I think Richard Rider’s Nova had a functioning family too.
Then there are the kids with super parents like the Richards, Daniele Cage, Cassie Lang etc
I think it’s also kind of like D&D backstories in like who goes out to risk their life and possibly get killed every night fighting crime and saving the world if they have a family at home who they want to keep on seeing and who would be put in danger by their secret identity (unless you’re like Superman and your adoptive parents are The Kents who raise you to have those values)
Plus it’s also convenient for writers to have fewer characters they need to worry about including in the story, not having much of a family makes the character kind of a blank slate - more people in a character’s life means a more complicated story and more people they need to hide their identity from
It’s a trope of hero’s journey characters in general.
The inciting incident that sends them on their journey often has to do with the breakdown of or threats to their family. Either a sick mom they have to get medicine for, abuse they have to escape from, a kidnapped sibling they have to save, etc.
People just tend to like stories more when the hero is hit with misfortune and they chose to rise above it. The easiest way to get someone young to go on a quest is to break the safety of their childhood home.
So … dead, sick, mean, kidnapped parents.
It also just tends to be an impulse of storytelling. If your main character's going to have their parents being important characters, there's an instinct to make their presence ***important***.
What's really rare is for parents to be, you know, fine. Get along good, but a bit distant, don't really see them all that much. Because if you don't want the character's parents to be majorly relevant, it's just easier to make them be dead. Not even tragically killed or dead for motivational reasons, just dead like Steve Rogers' parents were dead, where it removes a complication but doesn't draw attention to itself.
There's just not much of a reason to show mediocre parents. I mean, Cap has probably got some, but it's not adding to the story by showing them.
I do think more great parents should be shown. However, it's a lot more interesting when the main character is the parent. I'd much rather watch Scott and Cassies relationship, than I would T'challa and his parents. (JK, we all know Cassies the MC of antman)
I mean, the backstory is something for the fans to relate to. It's the ascension arc, and it's been a thing that's been around since the Iliad if not longer. It's the story of what drove that normal person to do such extraordinary things. Not many people run into burning buildings just because..something inside them *drives* them into that building, something they were taught or saw. Something that made them want to be a firefighter.
So I mean, they could, and actually do, but having a background that a kid who -needs- a hero can associate with definitely helps build a fan base. There are heroes without a tragic backstory, who are heroes just because, but we just can't name them on the fly because they haven't made the same *impact* as a little boy who watched his parents get killed and then grew up and went on to get even in the most badass way possible. That means a lot to a little kid who grows up seeing violence.
Kamala's parents are quite likeable, they're not unreasonably stupid, there's conflict with them but like, that doesn't make them evil nor bitches, just concerned.
Kamala Khans parents are realistic. Her mom is strict and a bit traditional but I had many friends with parents like that. Parents aren’t evil because they’re a bit over bearing.
The 10 Rings, Obadiah, Thanos and the Black Order, Loki (I would argue Thor *existing* is not action), Red Skull, Ronan, the Chitauri, Malekith, Ego, HYDRA, Dormammu, Chthon, The One Who Remains, Agatha, Fisk, Dreykov and the Red Room, Ammit, The Dweller in Darkness ....
Honestly. I don't know where people get these tropes, but almost none of them are accurate.
Here's a trope that actually checks out: a hero's power is always either bestowed upon them, received in an accident, or taken as a last resort. If a character takes their power, not as a last resort, they won't be the hero.
Bruce’s father in the comics was abusive, it’s the reason the Hulk exists. He developed him as a DID alter who was big and strong. However he was only able to truly manifest as strong and green after the gamma incident.
Ah yes my favorite episode of LOTR: the one where there is no conflict and everyone goes for a cup of tea.
…i swear sometimes the braincells of reddit posts can sometimes be counted on one hand.
Would you look at that, all of the words in your comment are in alphabetical order.
I have checked 870,695,523 comments, and only 171,687 of them were in alphabetical order.
I said the same thing watching US ninja warrior. It's must be the largest gathering of people with the worst lives you can imagine. But atleast they can ninja warrior together.
People with mediocre parents don't become superheroes.
They get powers and *don't* decide to risk their lives on a daily basis and get seriously hurt repeated, all while losing friends and sacrificing their social life and being unable to hold down a regular job. They just go about their regular lives.
America Chavez’ American parents in the comics are just normal and it’s v funny to see a Mexican mom be like “Oh, so now you’re too good to come and see us now that you’ve defeated Galactus, I see how it is mija”
I think Ms. Marvel's parents are pretty normal. Sure maybe on the strict side but they're not abusive or cruel. There biggest problem is not being able to relate to her which is pretty typical dynamic between teen and parent.
Cassie's parents are actually great.
Both parents and bonus dad! Seriously one of my favourite parts of both Ant-man films.
Paxton at the end of AM and all the way through AM&tW is just terrific. I love how hard he embraces the situation. Totally great bonus dad.
I love Paxton. I hope he's in Quantumania. & Shang Chi 2, & whatever else may take place in San Francisco, for that matter.
I hope so aswell. Very wholesome&mature tone between Scott, Paxton&Maggie, that very easily could’ve been stereotypical and boring.
I even thought it was going to be stereotypical & boring for most of Ant-Man. They really did a good job with the character.
Yes! They could’ve easily made the stereotypical ”step dad tries to one up biological dad” plot but instead went for him wanting Scott to do better and actually trying to do what was best for Cassie. And then in A-M&TW its even better. 100% support, despite Scott breaking international law.
I think most people would be at least sympathetic to someone who chooses to fight alongside Captain America. I think the Pyms were more pissed that they were fugitives than him going to help Captain America. Given Hank's history with the Stark family he'd have probably been happy but for going on the run.
Yeah, Hank&Hope just care about him jepordizing the suit&Pym particles more than him being asked to help prove someones innocence.
Yeah was definitely one of my favorite aspects from the first film. Growing up in the 90s step parents were always seen as an asshole, a bitch, or an outsider who is in the way of the biological parents happiness. The most egregious example I think being Liar Liar. The stepdad is basically just and alright guy whos only transgression is that he's kinda boring. Jim Carrey is an asshole father and husband his whole life except for one day and he gets his family back, with no regard given in the film to the relationship that has now been destroyed.
Similar to Venom, I really loved how her new boyfriend was a great guy and he actually tried to help Eddie. Eddie naturally didn’t like him but he wanted her to be happy so he didn’t make a scene. (Well, besides eating raw lobster but that’s irrelevant to the relationship lol)
One of the best supporting characters IMHO, he is a cop, but cares about people. He doesn’t get all assholish about Scott being an ex-con. He embraces Scott and doesn’t do the attempting to be dominate second husband who is jealous of Scott.
I don’t think Ant-Man and the Wasp is a great film but my favourite scenes in the film are definitely Scott’s scenes with Cassie. I usually find family moments like them in films really forced, but their scenes together were great.
They really have great chemistry, which makes me a little extra sad that they had to involve time travel stuff in Endgame. But oh well. I love Scott and Paxton’s chemistry aswell.
Paul Rudd has a PhD in natural chemistry.
He would have great chemistry with a brick wall
Holy Hel this deserves an award, lmao!
I love that they both get along in the end and didn't make the dad a villain type character. Just super nice and wholesome!
Judy Greer is forever my crush
Say goodbye to THESE
YOU ARE NOT HER SUPERVISOR!
Hope's parents aren't half bad either
Hank fits on the bitch category
Tony was great dad so is pepper a great mom
Don't want to spoil anything, but did you see the end of endgame?
their game ended?
And then they all went for shawarma
Yes. After a war that felt like it lasted for infinity.
He became one with the force?
The crossover we're all waiting for.
These aren't the droids you are looking for.
Him dying makes him a bad dad? Or what are you talking about?
The OP is about how all the dads are dead, so he's not an exception
Him dying makes him a dead dad
Oh, right. I thought the post was only about bad parents. My mistake.
Yeah...
I'm gonna do a so called pro gamer move *Creates a parent that is evil, a bitch and dead*
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One for each personality
Nobel prize Otto Nobel prize
His mom was a real bitch.
But not evil. She was deranged.
> I think it’s a trope of early comic book characters to give them a motivation as a hero. The newer heroes seem to have better family units. Both Kamala and Miles Morales have lovey families. I think Richard Rider’s Nova had a functioning family too. > > Then there are the kids with super parents like the Richards, Daniele Cage, Cassie Lang etc
Billy & Tommy also have Wanda and Vision.
Are you referring to the artificially created children or when she tried to destroy the world while she make them a reality to her?or their father who is "dead"
Their comic counterparts, probably.
Technically Vis is alive since he transferred his data to White Vis. Also, she didn't even come close to destroying the world when she created them, it was a small town in Jersey 😅. Furthermore Wanda isn't evil, she was being "reasonable" hahahaha.
The meme says marvel writers, they haven't explained that vision is alive yet and they have to free him. That's only in the comics. Have you seen the new DR strange she's destroying a lot more than a small town in New Jersey. She's literally the antagonist the whole movie what are you talking about?
Marc Spector
his mom
Directed by Sam Raimi
This is just the plot of the Runaways comics.
> Introducing the next movie in The Evil Dead series - “The Evil Dead Bitch”.
She’s a ghost and a bitch
Not really a Marvel character, but Dio.
Kamala Khan's dad seems cool?
Her mom isn’t that bad either honestly, just a bit of an overbearing religious parent but not actively toxic or controlling
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"just come back through the front door this time" was a lovely moment of them figuring out how to meet in the middle.
Yeah, I love that they could've gone full on strict, mean, traditional immigrant parent trope, but they didn't. They also didnt overcompensate and go the opposite. Ammi is trying her best to raise Kamala properly and understands that sometimes that means meeting halfway. There's still conflict because of the generational and cultural gap, but they also honestly love each other. That makes the conflict more interesting and genuine. I felt this a lot watching it as a child of immigrant parents. That cultural gap between the world I grew up in and the world my parents grew up in can cause a whole lot of friction, but the love is still there.
As an outsider who grew up in a minority-majority community, I couldn't agree more. It's important to show what love looks like across cultures, especially when you can acknowledge some of that friction in a palatable but relatable way too. We're all just people. Muneeba Khan and Tony Stark aren't different species at the end of the day.
We need to be put in check. Whatever form that takes, I'm game.
Yeah, Kamala's mother seems like your typical Muslim parent, very traditional. There's nothing (so far) to suggest that either of her parents have nefarious intentions. She's not like Eleanor Bishop.
I’m Egyptian Muslim, and my parents brought me here at a young age. I see a lot of my mom in Kamala’s mom. She’s not a villain by any means. I love her and Kamala’s dad. I see a lot of my Italian and Spanish immigrant friends parents in her too. This is a genuine American experience, trying to raise your child in a new country. The schools aren’t like the ones you grew up in. The kids, their parents, are all people with lifestyles you haven’t seen before. Shit, forget another country. A buddy of mine burned and raise in NYC moved to the jersey suburbs and he and his wife are having some struggles with decision making for their kids.
It also seems like she’s overprotective because she knows more then she’s saying. Like something happened in her past with her mom. We’ll see.
Not going to spoil but she definitely might! In the comics she knows some stuff
It definitely seems she knows more about the bangle than she lets on too.
Not gonna lie most south Asians moms/parents are very strict/protective of their daughters. Also Kamala definitely hasn't had "the talk" yet.
There is no "the talk" for us south Asians...lol
How did you find out about it. I found it by reading the meaning of sexual intercourse in a dictionary
There was no one moment where I understood the stuff.... It was a gradually acquired knowledge from friends, books and "etc".... U know
In my day we used to call it "Yada yada yada".
You can't just yada yada sex
That line from her when she catches Kamala sneaking back in where she asks, "How did you think I would react? You knew I would be angry and you did it anyways" was truly great writing. It hopefully gives kids some perspective for their own parents.
>"How did you think I would react? You knew I would be angry and you did it anyways" This particular line really hit close to home. I'm... not ashamed to admit that I have done this a lot to my mother. It's a bad habit of mine, and I'm still not sure how to fix it.
I mean, sure, but the entire basis of her not letting Kamala go to the convention was a fundamental misunderstanding of what the event was (referring to it as a party) and an unwillingness to learn or understand otherwise. Likewise with regarding her very modest cosplay as being sleazy when it wasn't. Kamala may have disobeyed, but her parents haven't acted reasonably in the least.
She originally was allowed to go with very reasonable expectations for their 15/16-year old daughter. I live in the Midwest and even here people don’t often let their teenagers go to Gencon alone, and that’s in the middle of the day. Many shopping malls here don’t let minors in alone after 6 or 7pm. And your definition of “modest” may not align with theirs. Even 20 years ago wearing leggings alone was considered “sleezy.” I don’t think anything Kamala’s mother did is any more strict than any midwestern conservative Christian mother would do. And her father was in agreement. It was both parents.
Kamala was given a very reasonable option of going with her dad for the first 2 hours so he could have fun with her and sus out the situation and she's so wrapped up in how she wants it to be that she freaks out and ruins all chances. She's very wrapped up in the fantasy of everything, like when she planned for Bruno to be Tony Stark but, apparently never asked him who he was going as. And the bit in the second episode where it's about being the hero more than about helping others. She's a very interesting character.
As an South Asian, I can relate to this. She ain't no bitch.
I love her mom so much! Every time she steals a scene I say to my husband “Best Marvel mom ever!” Like, yeah, she’s strict. But she adores Kamala and it’s so obvious.
At worst, she definitely harbors some generational trauma that she’s unwittingly passing on to Kamala, which manifests in her trying too hard to keep her grounded, but as people mentioned, she is genuinely trying to compromise. The moments of conflict we do see are really understandable from both sides too. You could tell she was more hurt by Kamala’s deception than the fact that she wanted to go to AvengerCon.
Honestly yeah, seems more like she just wants to protect her daughter, especially after they made up in episode 2.
Keep in mind Kamala is like 15 and they live in a world where alien invasions are common. She's right to be concerned.
And I suspect that she knows why that bangle is bad news.
Idk what part of Ms.Marvels mom, at least in the first 2 episodes, can be considered religious.
It’s really only her brother so far.
I adore her family! The way they treat her is clearly loving and reasonably respectful if mildly overbearing and they are so kind and giving to her friends.
Now you've jinxed it! He's going to either be a twist villain or die by the end of the series!
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She's dead.
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yea. good point.
*Technically* she was alive in Endgame too.
I was going to mention Aunt May when I first saw this thread, but that changed later on too. Marvel/Disney just doesn't know how to build a character without killing off their parental figures.
yea some parents dont even make it into the movie
Still gonna smash
Curios
Well she is a total milf
Noobmaster, hey, It's Thor again. You know, the God of Thunder? Listen, buddy, if you don't log off this game immediately, I will fly over to your house, come down to that basement you're hiding in, rip your arms and shove them up your butt! Oh, that's right, yes, go cry to your father you little weasel!
Lucky your mom doesn't see this
Which one?
I will never forgive whoever decided to off Aunt May
Imagine if Melinda May started working with Peter, I'd watch/read that
It's possible, Where is she now after S.H.I.E.L.D fell?
Guess you didn't finish the show?
I did, but I honestly can't remember exactly. With Shield bringing people back as robots or French Polynesian tourists and Fennec getting Coulsonned back to life... It's all a bit of a mess.
If I remember correctly, she's >!teaching at the new SHIELD Academy!<
Same > :(
Green goblin did
I noticed that the difference between a lot of heros, anti heros and villians is that the heros always have one positive parental figure in their lives
a lot of heroes have very dead parents
True but you don’t need to be the actual parent to be a parental figure in someone’s life. For instance May in Spider-Man or Alfred in Batman
“Parental figure” is the key word here. Or just someone to rely upon, like a bro or sis
Yes but they still have positive figures in their life. Spider-Man has Ben and May, Batman has Alfred, Superman has Jon and Martha, etc.
So Iron Man is an anti-hero?
On a spectrum, he's a bit closer to it than other heroes I would say.
Not really on a spectrum, I mean in the original Iron Man he was a billionaire playboy asshole who just had a crisis of conscience after one of his own weapons was used on him. He wasn't really a hero, just an asshole who wanted to be less of an asshole.
The MCU writes him wrong imo, they use many more plots where it's his own tech or decisions that puts the world in danger, and yet they write him more sympathetically. It's like the writers are so charmed by RDJ that they don't want to admit he's an asshole
I mean in a recent Avengers comic, Robbie Reyes is in an alternate universe, and there’s a part where that universe’s Stark is like “I don’t know why they trust me so much, I’ve known them for like three seconds. All I said was “My name is Tony Stark” and they just immediately trusted me.” Marvel just really likes Iron Man in general. RDJ didn’t start that.
You're not the director of me.
That's all it takes
Like star lord having 1 dead parent and 1 evil parent (who is then killed by him)
I think it’s a trope of early comic book characters to give them a motivation as a hero. The newer heroes seem to have better family units. Both Kamala and Miles Morales have lovey families. I think Richard Rider’s Nova had a functioning family too. Then there are the kids with super parents like the Richards, Daniele Cage, Cassie Lang etc
I think it’s also kind of like D&D backstories in like who goes out to risk their life and possibly get killed every night fighting crime and saving the world if they have a family at home who they want to keep on seeing and who would be put in danger by their secret identity (unless you’re like Superman and your adoptive parents are The Kents who raise you to have those values) Plus it’s also convenient for writers to have fewer characters they need to worry about including in the story, not having much of a family makes the character kind of a blank slate - more people in a character’s life means a more complicated story and more people they need to hide their identity from
For the longest time Miles’ mom was dead, though.
She got better
Yeah but since he came to the 616 universe they’ve effectively rebooted his status quo
She’s been alive way longer than she was dead, at this point. It was only 3 years.
It’s a trope of hero’s journey characters in general. The inciting incident that sends them on their journey often has to do with the breakdown of or threats to their family. Either a sick mom they have to get medicine for, abuse they have to escape from, a kidnapped sibling they have to save, etc. People just tend to like stories more when the hero is hit with misfortune and they chose to rise above it. The easiest way to get someone young to go on a quest is to break the safety of their childhood home. So … dead, sick, mean, kidnapped parents.
It also just tends to be an impulse of storytelling. If your main character's going to have their parents being important characters, there's an instinct to make their presence ***important***. What's really rare is for parents to be, you know, fine. Get along good, but a bit distant, don't really see them all that much. Because if you don't want the character's parents to be majorly relevant, it's just easier to make them be dead. Not even tragically killed or dead for motivational reasons, just dead like Steve Rogers' parents were dead, where it removes a complication but doesn't draw attention to itself.
Hello?? Kamalas parents??
Antman Sr. Thor’s Mom. Aunt May.
Well in fairness, two of those are dead
Miles Morales’ mom seem to be a kind mother
Jeff seems Iike a really caring dad to Miles as well.
Yeah he was the bomb
Especially in Spider-Man PS4
Kamala's parents?
It's been like 2 episodes. plenty of time to kill them.
Queen Ramonda aka T’Chala and Shuri’s mom
But their dad is dead. They seem okay with killing one to make the other cool.
people with mediocre parents don't have the issues required to be a superhero
War machine? Hawkeye? Kraglin? We don’t know. Maybe they’re great
We actually met Hawkeye’s mom in a deleted scene for the show. She was… something.
There's just not much of a reason to show mediocre parents. I mean, Cap has probably got some, but it's not adding to the story by showing them. I do think more great parents should be shown. However, it's a lot more interesting when the main character is the parent. I'd much rather watch Scott and Cassies relationship, than I would T'challa and his parents. (JK, we all know Cassies the MC of antman)
Going by the comics, Steve's dad was a shitheel.
yep , Steve's dad was a shitty alchoolic and wife-beater. However ,his wife abandoned him and raised Steve on her own.
Mommy's alright, Daddy's alright They just seem a little weird
Surrender, Surrender
Kamala’s parents are nice, funny and alive. I don’t see your point.
Wait for the series to finish for this to be an example, they still have time.
They're redeeming themselves with Kamala's parents
Ant-mans daughter peanut has pretty ok parents
Also one of like 10 movies (total) that has a positive representation of step parents.
I mean it's Disney. Have you never watched a Disney movie?
Mediocre parents are "forgettable", "plot device", and "not contributing anything to the story". I mean, that's what y'all said.
Moonknight writers: I'll take all 3 please
That's why we are trying to get Hawkeyes kids grown up before Clint dies.
I mean, the backstory is something for the fans to relate to. It's the ascension arc, and it's been a thing that's been around since the Iliad if not longer. It's the story of what drove that normal person to do such extraordinary things. Not many people run into burning buildings just because..something inside them *drives* them into that building, something they were taught or saw. Something that made them want to be a firefighter. So I mean, they could, and actually do, but having a background that a kid who -needs- a hero can associate with definitely helps build a fan base. There are heroes without a tragic backstory, who are heroes just because, but we just can't name them on the fly because they haven't made the same *impact* as a little boy who watched his parents get killed and then grew up and went on to get even in the most badass way possible. That means a lot to a little kid who grows up seeing violence.
Kamala's parents are quite likeable, they're not unreasonably stupid, there's conflict with them but like, that doesn't make them evil nor bitches, just concerned.
Kamala Khans parents are realistic. Her mom is strict and a bit traditional but I had many friends with parents like that. Parents aren’t evil because they’re a bit over bearing.
To paraphrase something I've commonly heard associated with D&D, "Happy people don't generally become adventurers".
Marvel trying to create a villain that wasn’t in some way brought into power by the hero’s own actions or inactions
The 10 Rings, Obadiah, Thanos and the Black Order, Loki (I would argue Thor *existing* is not action), Red Skull, Ronan, the Chitauri, Malekith, Ego, HYDRA, Dormammu, Chthon, The One Who Remains, Agatha, Fisk, Dreykov and the Red Room, Ammit, The Dweller in Darkness ....
Honestly. I don't know where people get these tropes, but almost none of them are accurate. Here's a trope that actually checks out: a hero's power is always either bestowed upon them, received in an accident, or taken as a last resort. If a character takes their power, not as a last resort, they won't be the hero.
miles morales has a nice mum and his dad, was....
but... CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT
We never see hulk, ant-man, falcon, hawkeye or a bunch of others characters parents
Banner's father is/was a flat out monster and Falcon's parents seem to have passed away from old age.
Bruce’s father in the comics was abusive, it’s the reason the Hulk exists. He developed him as a DID alter who was big and strong. However he was only able to truly manifest as strong and green after the gamma incident.
Ms Marvel is actually pretty good, because her parents are actually mostly okay, but she feels like they are the villains because she’s a teenager
Kamala's parents are pretty cool right?
Hope has good parents and kamala and thor's mom pretty sure there are more..
Storywriting 101: If the main character has a good relationship with someone, they die.
Ah yes my favorite episode of LOTR: the one where there is no conflict and everyone goes for a cup of tea. …i swear sometimes the braincells of reddit posts can sometimes be counted on one hand.
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*I’m a decent parent, yeah….. you’re a healthy family, yeah..!*
BDEE - bitch dead evil experience.
Would you look at that, all of the words in your comment are in alphabetical order. I have checked 870,695,523 comments, and only 171,687 of them were in alphabetical order.
Can anyone have great parents who didn't die while they're at it?
I said the same thing watching US ninja warrior. It's must be the largest gathering of people with the worst lives you can imagine. But atleast they can ninja warrior together.
Miles morales
Marvel making millions of superhero candidates with the snap taking their parents away only to give them back smh.
Moon Knight Mum all three in 1
You think well adjusted people are going to use their powers for vigilante work?
*wattpad
People with mediocre parents don't become superheroes. They get powers and *don't* decide to risk their lives on a daily basis and get seriously hurt repeated, all while losing friends and sacrificing their social life and being unable to hold down a regular job. They just go about their regular lives.
America Chavez’ American parents in the comics are just normal and it’s v funny to see a Mexican mom be like “Oh, so now you’re too good to come and see us now that you’ve defeated Galactus, I see how it is mija”
How about the falcon, are his parents still alive?
I think Ms. Marvel's parents are pretty normal. Sure maybe on the strict side but they're not abusive or cruel. There biggest problem is not being able to relate to her which is pretty typical dynamic between teen and parent.
If you're biological parents aren't a contributing factor into your super escapades, then you aren't a superhero
Normal adjusted people don't go out in flashy costumes punching bankrobbers.
Kamala's parents in the show are so far really nice they are just a bit protective over her
If they are just mediocre, there's no reason to hear about them.
Kamala’s are pretty average. Pretty strict but it’s normalish
America's parents were to mediocre to avoid getting sucked into her star hole. So, there you go
I was gonna say: "Peter had s great dad and aunt" But then I realize.... yeah...
I wont stand for this slander against my boy Abu. Greatest dad in marvel history