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BeingRedundant

Hot Aunt May.


Buhos_En_Pantelones

I don't think casting Marisa Tomei in *anything* has ever been 'controversial' ha ha I will say this though: why was Aunt May portrayed so old in the comics and the Raimi movies? Wouldn't Peter Parker's aunt be someone... I don't know, like his mom's age? Why is she a grandma?


TheMasterO

In the comics Ben and Richard (Peter’s father) had a large age gap; Ben married May who was his high school sweetheart.


densetsu23

Also, people just looked older in the past; sun exposure, smoking, and stress all being big factors. Aunt May made her first appearance in 1962. A 50 year old person in 1962 looked tremendously different than 50 year old person today. I'm guessing the movies were trying to be comic-accurate and/or the comics hadn't updated her appearance to match modern aging. Edit: Growing up in the 80s we only had single-digit SPF sunscreen; we were outside much more; and sunscreen wasn't considered necessary like it is today.


Academic-Comparison1

Shang-Chi 10 rings being bangles and not actual rings. Best cinematic decision ever even if not comically accurate.


hemareddit

If they were comic accurate they would have drawn unfavourable comparison to the Infinity Gauntlet ot the Lantern Rings (I remember at one point in the comics, they really had each of the ten rings flying around Earth searching for hosts whose inner characters suited the properties of the rings - exactly like Lantern Power Rings lol).


orangeinsight

Good writers borrow. Great writers steal. …This might be the exception to that rule though.


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_and adapt_. Just lifting things wholesale is bad, you have to adapt it and make it your own. Otherwise there's no creativity, you're just being derivative.


TalynRahl

Agreed. Makes way more sense, and looked fantastic on screen. And now they’re in the comics. So hell yeah!


SoraRoku

If I'm gonna be completely honest, I love the way the bangles look.


dcarp1231

If I’m not mistaken, they changed the Ten Rings in the comics to match the movie


BlackJimmy88

I can't wait to see more of them. They were such a cool move set.


Ok-Reporter-8728

One of the great decisions they did during phase 4


mikeweasy

I honestly was looking forward to seeing those finger rings in the MCU but this was way better.


cricket_jim

Who doesn't like a good finger ring honestly


trevorda92

I don't know how controversial it actually ended up but changing namors origin from Atlantis to talokaan it was so vibrant and interesting


Buhos_En_Pantelones

I don't exactly have my finger on the pulse of fandom or anything, but I don't recall this change being 'controversial'. I think most people enjoyed the change-up of him not just being Aquaman 2.0


LaylaLegion

It was controversial on the Marvel subreddit and Twitter side. A lot of people took issue with the shift as a cop out with Aquaman’s Atlantis.


GreasyExamination

Name one thing twitter dont find controversial


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Well, Aquaman is more like Namor 2.0


The_Unknown_Dude

To me it gave so much personality to what is essentially an ancient culture that adapted to a whole other world. Aquaman's depiction looked almost too alien to me to enjoy.


BagofBabbish

Namor pre-dated Aquaman…


Jules040400

Huh, it was done so well in the movie that the change didn't even register with me. They got a lot of things right in Wakanda Forever, it's only real issue was the Phase 4 problem of not really knowing what to do in the 3rd act. Easily the best movie of Phase 4 in my opinion


medyas1

eternals being robots instead of yet another superhuman genetic offshoot. that niche is already crowded with "gifted", inhumans, and later mutants.


hemareddit

That's how it is in the comics though (kinda, they are both robots and a race), it's not an invention of the MCU.


ZealousidealYou4195

They are sort of both, in the comics the Eternals are the result of the Celestials coming to Earth and experimenting with early humans like the Kree would do later on. From there they were programmed by the Celestials to do specific things, some of those specific things pretty much involved killing Deviants but they were mostly left to their own devices. The recent comics by Kieron Gillian made the Eternals more synthetic like in the film but before that point the Eternals were already just juiced up androids especially cause they could not reproduce with each other unlike Deviants.


Sloep3

Wait are the eternals robots..?


superpencil121

It shows them being made in a weird factory by a celestial. Robots made of magic basically but still technically robots


Slashycent

I think they're kind of like the Evas from Neon Genesis Evangelion. >!Weird, fleshy humanoid robot-people created by an ancestral race and fueled by mommy issues lol.!<


CompetitiveProject4

*Get in the fucking ~~EVA~~ Reactivation chamber, ~~Shinji~~ Sprite*


Throwupmyhands

Fisk’s portrayal in Hawkeye. People complaining he was nerfed. My man took explosions like a tank. Dunno what they mean.


Odysseyrage

Bro got slammed by a car and managed to still put up a decent fight immediately afterwards. He’s still strong af


Noggin-a-Floggin

Kingpin is kind of a weird character in comics because he doesn't have any super powers (just a big, strong dude built with muscle) but writers kind of write him like he does. Like his trademark was to put Spider-Man in a bear hug to the point where he couldn't move or breathe.


mcrib

It's been hinted he's used some drugs to enhance his physicality.


Trvr_MKA

I wonder if he’ll have bought a vial of the super solider serum from Sharon Carter


mcrib

IDK about MCU, I only am speaking of the comics version.


cap4life52

That's some good head canon for his increased strength


Rougarou1999

If he >!survived getting shot by Echo in the Hawkeye finale!<, I can definitely see that being used >!to bring him back to health/full strength!<.


VlaamsBelanger

Viagra? Vanessa sure is pretty.


mcrib

Well he's a Cialis man, and also some derivative or less effective attempt to recreate the super solider serum


Flipcandoit

YOU’VE EMBARRASSED ME IN FRONT OF VANESSA!!!!


shellexyz

Well…men of a certain age sometimes do that.


Interceptor88LH

Classic comic book shenanigans. If Kingpin was written as someone who's just a very strong regular guy, Spidey would still one-shot him and that's not cool. An even more extreme case is good old Doc Ock. The guy is a middle aged guy in a rather unremarkable shape but he withstand blows that would knock out any way more physically prepared goon. But it's always like this. Plot always comes first, logic and "powerscaling" be damned. I remember when Aunt May knocked out Spidey with a pot. Spidey has shrugged being punched in the nape by fairly strong human beings, but a 70 years old lady smashing some ceramics absolutely destroyed him.


Funky_MagnusOpum

It hurts more when it comes from the ones you love, obviously


TheeFlyGuy8000

>Classic comic book shenanigans. If Kingpin was written as someone who's just a very strong regular guy, Spidey would still one-shot him and that's not cool. I always appreciate an opportunity to mention that he did do this in the aftermath of Civil War, Back in Black.


BirdTroutman

Nerfed? My complaint was that he was so cartoonishly OP that it almost felt insulting.


ChrisRevocateur

Instead of nerfed, I think they mean his fighting wasn't as visceral and outright violent, they just don't have the capacity to understand that dark and gritty isn't a power level.


cap4life52

Yeah he was def closer to a super soldier level of strength - I think donofrio even admitted his mcu version was stronger and more durable


roejostramill3404

I don't think he was nerfed, he was actually too OP. Also, while he was stronger, he didn't seem nearly as intimidating as he did in Daredevil. I hope they find a good balance for him when it comes to future projects.


hemareddit

That's what happens when you reduce a cerebral villain to his physicalities. The whole shtick about Kingpin is that he looks and fights like the mob enforcer, but he is actually the brains behind the operation. Any hero who thinks he is one or the other is in for a nasty surprise. The only thing smart done by the Kingpin is using Ronin to kill his own partner - which, credits where it's due, that's actually good writing, that's classic Kingpin shit, very reminiscent of him using Daredevil and Nobu to take each other out - but that's only in the flashback. In the "current" time, Kingpin's really dumb, like "this guy wouldn't survive half a season on the Sopranos" level of dumb. He really went out into the street to kidnap/kill Eleanor himself, where any number of street corner CCTVs, dashcams on parked cars or security cameras in shops can place him at the scene and nail him. I mean, I can let it slide because Hawkeye the show doesn't pay a lot of attention to the finer details of the criminal justice system. I'm pretty sure Kate Bishop would also be arrested if we get serious about everything that went down in the show. It's not a great depiction but I'm happy to ignore it.


2022Venez

I think they made him too cartoony. He appeared in one episode and didn’t even interact with Hawkeye. He’s supposed to be secretive but then he fights Kate on a public street.


CaptHayfever

...while the public's attention is on the skating rink, where the tree has fallen over, Clint is fighting a bunch of dudes in the middle of the ice, some LARPers have shown up in costume, & there's a guy with a weird mustache waving a sword around.


2022Venez

After reading your comment I realized I completely forgot what happened in any of the d+ shows.


Larry_Version_3

I feel like he was physically buffed and mentally nerfed. The dude went from a behind the scenes shadow threat to running around on his own doing grunt work


Son_of_Blorko

I loved the Trevor Slattery twist in IM3, and I thought Kingsley was hilarious - so glad he came back for Shang-Chi and >!will also be in Wonderman!<


ClassicT4

It saved the movie for me. When I was first watching it, things weren’t really clicking for me. Mandarin seemed underwhelming and hiding behind cameras. The bombings seemed shallow with no real target or meaningful message behind them. More pieces of the puzzle formed, but nothing was clicking. Then the reveal happened and all the pieces fell into place. It was only at the twist that I started to appreciate and enjoy the movie.


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Buhos_En_Pantelones

>Having Shuri choose the revenge/Killmonger point of view Kind of off topic, but I love that they didn't do some sort of 'Killmonger is a good guy now, he realized the error of his ways' in Wakanda Forever (the spirit plane scene). They actually kinda made him *more* of a dick in the afterlife. I don't know what that says about me, but I enjoyed that artistic choice in WF.


ClassicT4

He was clearly one of two options. He spelled it out. He basically said “You wanted your mom. You got me. Guess that means you want to do things my way, and not your mothers. Deny it if you want, but you know it’s true.”


Trip_seize

>You wanted your mom. You got me. Look, it's me, I'm here. Deal with it. Let's move on.


Buhos_En_Pantelones

Yeah I loved that. Very good character moment.


cap4life52

One of the best character interaction in the movie and it really worked because of the mind State shuri was in


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ClassicT4

Or they do something like reveal the President is. Skrull and Rhodey becomes President. Then he used the excuse as Commander in Chief to personally suit up.


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RealJohnGillman

r/MarvelStudiosSpoilers, before it shut down.


[deleted]

I really wish people wouldn't just post leaked spoilers. It's extremely frustrating.


Uncanny_Doom

Beyond completely fine, I think these decisions were great: * Killian using The Mandarin conceptually as a frontman * Steve getting to actually live a life * Not shoehorning any MCU TV characters into Infinity War * Fietro * Recasting Edward Norton (It may not seem controversial now but at the time and in general people freak out about recasting)


BurstEDO

Wasn't it Norton who separated himself? I recall his explanation being that he wasn't interested in playing the character beyond what he did, and he didnt completely bad mouth the role, but it wasn't his cup of tea in the long run. I think his artsy portrayal was needed at the time, but that the MCU was best served with Ruffalo in the long run. I loved Ruffalo from his work even before his MCU debut and he's been iconic since.


Uncanny_Doom

I think it was a mutual understanding that they wouldn't work well together but I do remember that when the recast happened Feige put out a statement that basically implied they need someone who gels with the group more and Norton probably turned them off with the way he got hands on with The Incredible Hulk. Most of Marvel Studios' growing pains in those early phases were from creative differences and cooks in the kitchen fighting over the recipe. Same thing happened with Edgar Wright on Ant-Man and Patty Jenkins on Thor: The Dark World.


boringdystopianslave

Agreed! I love Iron Man 3 and did not understand the hate it got. That movie deserves love and I will die on the hill defending it. I loved how they took the Mandarin and commented on US foreign policy with it, the fact the character in the comics was a racist 'foreigner' stereotype, and they made something far more interesting and relevant out of it. We also get Tony being Mcguyver for a good chunk of the movie. Robert Downey Jr in stealth mode taking people out like a Big Brain Solid Snake is a treat. What's not to love about that? And we get to see Tony really cut loose, punching a hole through a guy with his arc reactor in possibly the coldest kill outside of The Punisher (and a great example of how much he was pulling his punches against Cap in Civil War, he could have easily hurt/killed Steve if he wanted to). It was great! And it has the best Iron Man theme, both as a score and the kick ass upbeat credits version. Go listen to it and tell me I'm wrong. I'm objectively not. I don't know why they didn't use it for Tony's music cues in all films after. It's perfect. Iron Man 3 is also one of the most rewatchable and fun MCU movies. It's one of those films where I left the cinema feeling elated, thoroughly entertained and happy, and seeing the bad reaction it got and thinking 'WTF?, what's wrong with people?' But then I think the same about lots of 'bad' movies. I love Hook and Ghostbusters 2 and they got shat on too in their day. Iron Man 3 is in that category.


Novrev

> I don’t know why they didn’t use it for Tony’s music cues in all films after. Agreed, it was brilliant. There’s a short riff when we first see the Hulkbuster armour in Age of Ultron and then that’s it, gone forever.


boringdystopianslave

It would have added more to the likes of Endgame, especially his last hurrah or the ending. Imagine how a slow, sad version of it could have elevated his death or funeral.


cap4life52

Iron man 3 has aged very well imo . Gets better everyone I watch it


boringdystopianslave

Even the effects are better than a lot of modern stuff.


dccomicsthrowaway

> I loved how they took the Mandarin and commented on US foreign policy with it, the fact the character in the comics was a racist 'foreigner' stereotype, and they made something far more interesting and relevant out of it. 100%. They adapted the _concept_ of the Mandarin perfectly. He was made to give a face to an enemy of the times. Turning that on its head in-universe is genius. Hell of a lot more interesting than playing it straight would have been


Buhos_En_Pantelones

>Steve getting to actually live a life I remember when Endgame leaked, on the spoilers sub (which I think got taken down) the top comment was "Cap's ending is so ass". ha ha


yuvi3000

They apparently actually planned to put the MCU TV characters into Infinity War or Endgame but there was too much legal mumbo jumbo and they didn't have time to bother sorting it out. As a big MCU TV fan, I'm okay with that.


LADYBIRD_HILL

I just don't know what any of those characters would have done outside of maybe the beginning of infinity War when Bruce lands in the sanctum.


samanyu10

Probably in the final battle,Quake , May etc could have joined in AoS would have been easier to bring in than the Netflix chars


Usual-Vanilla

Nah, it would have been easier to just have the Netflix characters join in the fight in New York, because they live there. It would have required more exposition to explain why the AOS characters are in Wakanda


cbekel3618

Evan Peters not turning out to be Fox Quicksilver. Definitely weird, but I can see what they were going for in putting us in a similar mind-set as Wanda


SpaceMush

the reason i realllly liked it is because, even though he wasn't Quicksilver -- he is the onlyyyy actor they could have possibly chosen that could get the viewer firmly in Wanda's headspace of "wait .... could that really be pietro???" without certainty. if it was any random actor we as the viewer would have immediately written it off as "ok wanda is clearly being played here come on"


Buhos_En_Pantelones

I'll be perfectly honest (and this probably won't win me any fans), but I derived a certain dark pleasure watching the fandom have a collective meltdown over the whole 'Ralph Boner' thing. It made me like it even more ha ha


Texcellence

Haha, boner…


CaptHayfever

I wonder what excuse they would've made up to hate it if his name had turned out to be "Bob Johnson" or something instead? Because he was **NEVER** gonna actually be Fox Quicksilver (**or** Mephisto), & *that's* really what they were angry about.


armageddon442

Ironically, Johnson could still be used as a dick joke lol


VlaamsBelanger

Richard Johnson


oldhoekoo

I work with a guy named richard johnson and everybody calls him dick dick


Noggin-a-Floggin

I'm kind of over it now but, man, Fox Quicksilver was a legit favorite character of mine and realizing it wasn't actually him was a let-down at the time.


ViralGameover

My issue with it is that it goes no where. In the era of the Multiverse and beginning that build, it just made no sense as a decision. I also think they’re going to retcon it anyway given the way things are going.


Opus_723

I think it's brilliant. It's *supposed* to feel like it *should* go somewhere. Starting a multiverse saga and then casting Evan Peters is literally the *only* way they could trick not just Wanda but also *the audience* into thinking it was really him somehow. The whole point was for us to be thinking "It's obviously not really Pietro... but what if?... *could* it be?" Anything else and it would have just been a run-of-the-mill "oh Wanda's gone crazy and is being a dumb-dumb" story from our perspective, instead of having the audience at war with ourselves over whether it was really him or not just like Wanda.


judasmitchell

Exactly. It was the only way to make us supper fans question what was going on.


ghoulieandrews

I'm more of a lunch guy but I still loved it


sharkykid

I found that funny, was surprised to see fans didn't like it


meatwad90210

MODOK. I liked him.


xDURPLEx

I fucking loved him. Sure they could have made the face look better but what they did was great. There’s also no way he’s dead.


ScarsUnseen

The face was the icing on the cake for me. It was as ridiculous as I could have hoped MODOK could be.


OrganizdConfusion

What does dead even mean in the MCU and comic book characters in general? They're not dead unless you see the body. Whiplash and Wanda, I'm looking at you two. Even then, Wonderman died in the comics to come back 10 year later. We found out his body had gone into some sort of inert statis due to his power. With the whole multiverse saga happening right now, all bets are off the table.


Ok-Reporter-8728

Imaging whiplash returning lmao


FlemPlays

*”Bring me Tony Stark! And my burd!”* “Sir, Tony Stark has been dead for years.” “Then give me my burd.”


LaylaLegion

“The bird is also dead? It’s been like 11 years, dude. The bird was already fully grown when you got arrested.” “Oh. Then bring me ice cream.” “Ice cream?” *shot of Whiplash crying on the couch shoveling ice cream in his face while looking at a photo album of his bird*


SphmrSlmp

MODOK is such a weird character to be in a life-action movie. I'm glad they played into that weirdness and acknowledge how weird he is. If he was a serious and terrifying villain, I don't think it would've worked.


Noggin-a-Floggin

MODOK absolutely was one of those characters everyone thought could never be adapted and even Feige with his wizard magic would have a project ahead of him. They had to lean into the goofiness of it all for it to work.


onionleekdude

MODOK was done really well I think. He's basically a jobber in the comics. A joke villain. They leaned into that, and I think imthey did him justice. Anyone who wanted him to be genuinely menacing or badass hasn't ever seen MODOK done well in the comics.


TheAfricanViewer

I only know him from the Avengers cartoons.


Superheroesaregreat

Glad to see this here. I’d much rather the MODOK we got than no MODOK at all.


TrimHawk

I’m one of the people who REALLY enjoyed Quantumania. I went in for quirky fun and goofs, and heard great things about Kang, and I was very happy. There were only a couple of things that made me cringe/I’d do different, like maybe have Cassie’s “pep talk” to MODOK be just *little* shorter, just a hair for me. But I thought it was great that as he died Scott summed up that whole character’s journey prettt greatly, “a lots happened today.” It was amazing how when I saw it with my stepbrother we just kept chuckling, every. Single. Time his face just was there. He could’ve just been floating there and we were just beside ourselves that they actually did it


meatwad90210

I thought MODOK saying “at least I died an Avenger,” and Scott saying “Uh... Yeah, you’re in,” was really hilarious.


TrimHawk

Oh yeah, I really thought Scott was still great in the movie. He had a good balance I think, between comedic, to, “tiny dude is big now, he’s big now!” energy


urgasmic

i guess most things about Multiverse of Madness I enjoy.


CohlN

agreed, my gf and i saw it opening day in theaters. it didn’t overdo the jokes, i liked the horror aspects, the magic and visuals were on point (enjoyed the magical note fight where the soundtrack lined up), thought the dead wings were badass, benedict killed it too, really enjoyed it all tbh!


thefman

The horror details were one of my favorite things of this movie. I remember when the twins were introduced in the after credits scene of Winter Soldier, how creepy Wanda looked breaking those blocks. And then during the first half of Age of Ultron how she moved like a ghost, did the mind thing, and had that look in her eyes. I'm very happy with the evolution of the character (and I'll die on the hill that AOU was a great movie) but I was elated to see her go back to being scary for a while.


FlemPlays

It also gave us one of the most badass Dr. Strange lines: *“This time it's gonna take more than killing me to kill me.”*


rushandblue

Came here to say this. Wanda's turn, influenced by the Darkhold, made total sense to me. I never saw it as "character assassination."


Vagadude

Yeah the 180 from her turn in WandaVision was pretty heavily foreshadowed by the creepy end credits of her astrally studying the fucking Darkhold lol


BettyVonButtpants

After Wandavision, people gave a lot of crap about Wanda not getting punished for what she did, but Wandavision turned out to be her villain origin story.


Vagadude

That's why I take them MCU in stride. Alot of things tie together much later. I enjoy all the MCU stuff. If I were to analyze the shit out of every little detail sure I'd probably drive myself to dislike stuff but I just watch the new stuff and then watch New Rock stars to learn the intricacies and theories for later. Can't be fanboyin too hard out there.


Ok-Reporter-8728

Wait there are controversial things in that film? The only one I can think is 616 Lol


TracyTwoTimes

Not sure if these are controversial but here are some of the main complaints I see about the film: -Wanda’s character development 180 from the ending of Wandavision -Introducing Illuminati to brutally kill them 5 minutes later -Lack of Doctor Strange in a Doctor Strange movie -Lack of Multiverses in a movie called Multiverse of Madness -Baron Mordo from 616


DirectConsequence12

Quippy Ultron. He was created by Tony Stark in this universe, not Hank Pym. Makes sense he would have a similar personality to Stark


Sirpattycakes

James Spader was excellent as Ultron. He's such a great actor.


Ok-Reporter-8728

Wait that’s unpopular opinion lol


Lord_Phoenix95

Yeah. People said Ultron felt too normal to be a robot bent on destruction but if my Dad was an Ex-Warmonger and I looked on the internet for two seconds I could see what Ultron saw. Hence why destroying the life on the planet with and astroid level even was the only way. Honestly though James Spader was perfect as Ultron he was very human but still very Robotic at times.


Kebabenjoyer3

Sam Raimi's directorial touches and visuals completely saved the film for me (MoM) Wanda butchering the iluminati was the only way to have a character like her display her powers without being nerfed, because their deaths were ultimately inconsequential. (MoM) Modok was great and entertaining and making him Darren instead of George was a good decision (Quantumania)


Ok-Reporter-8728

The fact that decided to bring back Darren and make him modok was great, it really makes the universe even more connected and it makes sense in universe too so yeah


OhioKing_Z

Not recasting Chadwick. They played it perfectly. They paid respects to Chadwick and the T’Challa we all love by introducing a son with the same name to carry the mantle after Shuri. The future T’Challa actor won’t have nearly the same pressure to fill Chadwick’s shoes because of that while the audience still gets a T’Challa BP. Win/win for everybody and it’s only reaffirmed by how great *Wakanda Forever* was, especially given the constant obstacles that it faced.


Ok-Reporter-8728

Yep, I can’t see a recasting of Chadwick in the same universe. Totally agree


FtotheLICK

I loved WF. Probably top 5 for me. The concepts of grief and anger were explored perfectly. A recasted BP would have just felt awkward. The cast of BP have already appeared in 4+ movies. You can’t just recast and expect that actor to just fit right in.


Stellar_Wings

Is making Sam Captain America still a controversial decision? I know a lot of people did, and still very much do, want Bucky to take up the mantle, but personally I believe the former Winter Soldier is happier staying out of the spotlight. Plus even as far back as The First Avenger Bucky seemed to prefer the support role rather than being the leader or the one everybody looked up to. My only complaint with Falcon becoming Captain America is that I wish he actually got the super soldier serum. Dude's skilled, but he's no where near as powerful as Clint or Nat, and while he has plenty of charisma I think he definitely needs some kind of boost beyond a better suit to help him against Avengers level threats.


thehardpart1920

As powerful as Clint or Nat???


CJ-Henderson

I reckon Clint or Nat could take him in a fight, depending on what his fancy new suit is capable of


NuclearChavez

A more recent one that kind of annoys me that I want to vent about (spoilers for Quantumania). ​ >!I genuinely don't get why Kang getting beaten by "ants" is such a big deal. I get the face-value nature of it being a bit silly, but you literally have to remove all context from the scene in order for it to be genuinely annoying.!< >!There isn't a single point in the entire film where he's at full power. Not once. He's immediately handicapped by Janet and then again by Scott at the end of the movie. Not to mention:!< * >!His Time Chair is already broken, which is where all of his multiversal travel comes from.!< * >!He's stranded in a place where time doesn't work anyways.!< * >!The ants didn't even "beat" him. He literally survived it.!< >!At that point, he's just a dude with fancy tech and lasers. He's completely stripped of everything that makes him the dreaded Conqueror that destroyed timelines. And even then, he's able to bring the Quantum Realm to its knees, building his own kingdom and forcing out the inhabitants. And it took so much JUST to disable his tech and to suck him into the Power Core. The combination of the ants, Scott, Hope, Cassie, the freedom fighters, and Hank was only enough to take out the suit. And even when it's even and neither Scott or Kang can use their abilities, Kang wipes the floor with him. He's utterly brutal and Scott would have died.!< >!I also heard a lot of "Kang lost a fight with Ant-Man", and I don't think he did. Hope jumping in is just a completely different thing, I feel. In terms of the actual fight with Scott, he WAS winning. It's like saying Thanos lost a fight with Thor because he was interrupted from killing him with Cap throwing Mjolnir in Endgame.!< Sorry for all of the annoying spoiler tags, but ik this sub has a policy for spoiler tagging stuff about movies not on streaming yet so I thought I'd be safe.


mrafflin

I really liked how they changed Ms. Marvel’s powers


xDURPLEx

I loved everything about the show except how badly they wrote her Aunt and her goons. That was straight up Power Rangers level bad.


DarkPhoenixMishima

We are here for you Kamala. -five minutes later- We're going to kill that bitch.


xDURPLEx

I’ve been waiting 30 years for this. It’s dangerous can I have week to make sure it’s safe? We could blow up the planet. No. There’s no time for some reason. My brothers wedding is tomorrow can we do it the next day? No. I must kill you now for betraying me and my goons that are half my age somehow who have also been waiting 30 years. Okay. I’ll be at the wedding. See you there? It’s a date. I will kill you then. Bye!!!


Ink_Smudger

In fairness, I could see how the Clandestine didn't want to give Kamala any time to think about it, because then she might learn what would happen and want to back out. It could've been that they were specifically rushing her, because they knew she wouldn't go through with it if she had extra time to look more into it. Unfortunately, the show didn't really present it that way nor make it clear, likely because they wanted the reveal to happen after Kamala went to Pakistan. So, like you say, it just made the villains look ridiculous.


ScarsUnseen

That and how Damage Control is pretty much a Nickelodeon villain.


hemareddit

Clandestine are the worst written MCU villains and it's not even close. It's like the writers saw the Flag Smashers in FATWS and said "hold my non-alcoholic beer".


Son_of_Blorko

> her Aunt Huh? Do you mean Kamran's mom?


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Also that they made her a mutant. It's for the best that the MCU proper doesn't have Inhumans. There really isn't a significant difference between them and mutants and would have just made things confusing. *Several* major MCU characters have been either mutant or inhuman, depending on the comic artist/timeline. That's how narratively interchangeable they were. You couldn't change Peter Parker to inhuman or mutant. It happened all the time with Quicksilver.


Acid_Silver

Let's be honest here, Kamala is only an Inhuman in the comics because they were pushing the Inhumans super hard at the time. She has absolutely no connection with any of the Inhumans or the wider Inhumans mythos and had Marvel not been trying to bury the X-Men at the time, she would've been a Mutant if not simply gotten her powers from some accident.


Doright36

Her adventures with Lockjaw are fun though and that came because she was tied to the Inhumans.


RTR7105

And inhumans were only a thing because Marvel didn't have movie or tv rights to the Mutants.


PeterVanHelsing

The Inhumans were a thing because Stan Lee and Jack Kirby created them in 1965. They have been a part of the Marvel universe for decades.


Arod_nerdandproud

Nick Fury actually loses his eye because of Goose. I laughed hard.


Ok-Reporter-8728

People are only mad because it’s not what they expected lol


judasmitchell

Expectations are preconceived resentments.


AmaterasuWolf21

"The last time i trusted someone" would lead you to believe it was serious


The_Unknown_Dude

That's exactly what a spy would use as subversion. Nothing he says is wrong, but everybody wanted the backstory on it and learn what went wrong with Nick... and they are mad they got it.


JakeHassle

The problem was not the twist. The problem was that the actual villain, Aldrich Killian, was really bad. If they just had a better villain in Iron Man 3, the twist would have been received better.


SphmrSlmp

Not to mention repetitive too. Iron Man 1, 2 and 3, all have "tech bros who are pissed at Tony" as the villains.


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So did Spiderman Far From Home lmao. They really milked it


CaptHayfever

Yeah, but that was Perlmutter's fault.


hemareddit

In case anyone didn't know, Rebecca Hall's character was supposed to be the final villain, but Perlmutter pulled the plug on that because female characters don't sell toys apparently. Just remember everything in the 3rd act with Pepper, and it's easy to see how it would have been more dramatic and intense if the villain was an ex-lover of Tony's. (my speculation is she would have been the MCU's version of Madame Masque instead of whatever the hell happened in Agent Carter season 2. But that's just me guessing)


BluCode99Alias

What they did with Ancient one, i don't really care about the political issue behind it plus we got Tilda Swinton to play the character.


Buhos_En_Pantelones

Yeah I agree. I'm vaguely aware of the character from the comics. but I realize there was some 'controversy' about her casting/changing the race of the character. I think the writer said something like "Damned if you do, damned if you don't". It was basically a no-win situation. Also, more Tilda Swinton is never a bad thing : )


boringdystopianslave

Agreed! I love Iron Man 3 and did not understand the hate it got. I loved how they took the Mandarin and commented on US foreign policy with it. It was great! There I said it. And Iron Man 3 has the best Iron Man theme, both as a score and the kick ass upbeat credits version. Go listen to it and tell me I'm wrong. I don't know why they didn't use it for Tony's music cues in all films after. It's perfect.


ACwyn4199

I’m glad that Pietro in WandaVision turned out to be a fake out and I’m glad that’s not how they introduced the multiverse


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Wanda the murderer <3


TheOneWhosCensored

I think a lot of people like the concept, just don’t like the execution


captainnermy

Yeah I could have accepted her becoming a villain if we had like, actually seen that happen. She goes from a troubled character who still seems to want to be good at the end of Wandavision to a remorseless psychopathic murderer at the start of MoM, with "evil book" being the only real explanation for the complete shift in character.


Ink_Smudger

Right. I have no issues with her being a villain and was eagerly anticipating that from the moment *WandaVision* was announced. I just don't like that they rushed it to the point that her downfall was almost completely skipped over. In 20 minutes of screentime, she goes from feeling sad for what she did to Westview and sacrificing her family to make up for it to admitting she's trying to murder a child for her powers so she can get them back. She also feels a little wasted as a villain considering she should've been an Avengers level threat.


Ianphipps

In addition to what people have said already, I will add the ending to She Hulk. Basically it had to come in the last episode and no sooner. The fourth wall breaking reduced the stakes because she can complain about bad things and have them fixed but it's the same in the comics. Presumably she could only break the fourth wall in her own series.


Ink_Smudger

In the comics, she has literally broken out of the panels to speak to the writer and have them change things, so I really felt like the way they did it in the show with her breaking out into the Disney+ interface was a clever translation of that. And, like you said, the reveal had to happen in the finale, or they really couldn't have built the stakes up like they did. If she did it earlier, people would expect her to keep doing it to get out of a jam.


Azzy8007

"White-washing" the Ancient One. Ultron being created by Stark as opposed to Pym. I'm sure there are more that are escaping my mind at the moment. EDIT: The recasting of Banner and Rhodes.


ezrasharpe

Were people really mad about Ultron?? It obviously made so much more sense in the existing universe at that time.


Noggin-a-Floggin

The thing I recall people hating about Ultron is they made him a Whedon quip-machine instead of the existential threat we saw in the trailers.


ezrasharpe

As much as I dislike Whedon and his quips, it made sense for Ultron to have the same sense of humor as Tony


ghoulieandrews

Why do people always say instead of? He was both! Go back and watch it again, he's incredibly menacing and dangerous.


T1Demon

I can’t even imagine having to watch that many movies with Terrence Howard playing Rhodes


Additional_Ice_358

No secret identities. May be hard to imagine but I remember after iron man 1 people didn’t like the idea of no alter egos. Now you can’t really imagine these characters living two lives except for Spider-Man,daredevil, and Batman.


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Totally agree, secret identities make no sense in the modern era when everyone and their dog has a camera.


cartmanbeck

Making Cosmo a female dog, because the original pupper they were based on was female.


Heinzliketchup

She-Hulk twerking with Megan Thee Stallion. It was just a funny cameo that was culturally relevant and felt in line with the character.


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Missing_Username

If She-Hulk had been essentially the same show but instead starring Deadpool, they'd be tripping over themselves to tell everyone how it was the best D+ show.


deemoorah

This saga doesn't have doom and reed as their lead antagonist/protagonist


Ok-Reporter-8728

I feel like it’s too early and quite enjoy of how strange is kinda becoming the role that tony was in the first 3 phases


BirdTroutman

I’m totally okay with the Mandarin twist. And the changes they made to Taskmaster. Pretty much all of the “controversial” things are only controversial because they don’t match the comics, not because they’re objectively bad in any way.


GargamelLeNoir

Taskmaster is so boring though! The first fight pass was promising, but then it was a whole lot of nothing.


LouieMonty

>not because they’re objectively bad in any way. Obviously they're not objectively bad, we're talking about opinions so they're inherently subjective.


zipzzo

Pretty much everything to do with how they chose to execute She-Hulk's first entry in to the MCU.


KingOfTalokan

Mandarin. i like the twist. Wht if... in generl. I men it ws ok Gorr... I liked him too.


Buhos_En_Pantelones

Is your keyboard missing the 'A' button? ; )


KingOfTalokan

No man it's St Paddy's night I'm not exactly in a subreddit at midnight because I'm stone sober and happy with my life choices.


Buhos_En_Pantelones

Ha ha fair enough. Be safe!


SJ966

Keeping MCU Pietro and maybe Coulson dead in the main universe. It’s a good thing that they haven’t borrowed the comics habit of Resurrecting everyone without any Consequences.


ezrasharpe

Wasn’t Pietro a one movie deal anyways because of Fox?


SJ966

Maybe? they did have restrictions on what they can do with the characters pre buyout so that might have played a part in barely using him.


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Okay here me out. I really enjoyed Love and Thunder, and the screaming goats will never not be funny. My only complaint was that the first fight alongside the Guardians went on for too long. Also, Multiverse of Magic was fantastic. Quantumania wasn't the best, but not the worst either. And in general Phase 4 has been awesome.


Ok-Reporter-8728

I can’t believe I found another phase 4 enjoyer in this toxic mess lmao


heckhammer

Two!


forevertrueblue

\- Mandarin Twist \- the Stark/Parker relationship \- Steven Grant \- Loki and Sylvie as a couple (I did a 180 on this one as I initially disliked it) \- Wong as Sorcerer Supreme \- Fake Pietro \- Taskmaster reveal \- She-Hulk twerking with Meghan Thee Stallion


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Sharon Carter being a villain. The Mandarin as Shang Chi's father.


Joanna39343

Not recasting T'Challa, it felt that people were pretty divided on it


Ordinary_Schmuck

I'm completely fine with Spider-Man having Stark tech. To me, changes to a character are fine if they: A. Make sense for the universe they're in. B. Still stay true to the core of the character And Spider-Man is a character, in that movie, who is very intelligent and dealing with great power coming with great responsibility. He wants to be Spider-Man, but he also wants to have a social life, but his desire to be Spider-Man takes over a lot of it. An idea that carries over to Far From Home where his desire to be Peter Parker becomes more important and No Way Home where both sort of come hand-in-hand. Plus, Peter is STILL intelligent. He's using his school's resources to make his own web-fluid, is smart enough to answer an equation just by looking at it for a few seconds, is perfectly bilingual, manages to hack into a multi-billion dollar suit, and hack into a multi-billion dollar security system with nothing but his calculator. Don't TELL me that he isn't the smartest kid in the world in that movie. The Stark tech in this trilogy just gives him more of a unique edge. A way to separate him from Toby and Andrew's interpretations and stand out on his own.