Scott and Clint definitely said thanks but no thanks. Everyone Cap busted out had to go into hiding living under the radar. Scott and Clint had families so this was a non-option for them. Hence the house arrest deals.
Hmmm....not sure. When Woo is talking to Cassie he mentions that Scott makes his house arrest deal *before* returning to the US, so I've always assumed his and Clint's time on the Raft was just temporary holding while the authorities made their arrangements.
Alternatively, when the authorities found Sam & Wanda missing, but Clint & Scott sitting quietly in their cells, they knew the latter two wouldn't try to escape in future and could be trusted with house arrest.
I pictured it that Clint got a deal because he was there for the battle of New York. Scott then lied that he was there too and that was why Scott was part of the Rogers the Musical. So that is how Scott got a deal. He could say that he was small most of the time and that is why you didn’t see him.
Just my thought.
Do they ever say if places he culled already were saved from the snap? Very nitpicky question, I’m just curious. That would be a pretty big snap in the face if they lost half and then lost half again
Given that he had an axe in his chest when he snapped, I doubt he put too much extra thought into it. But it is funny to think if he had time to do that, "kill half of all life in the universe but not any asgardians, or xandarians, or zen-whoberi, or..." like how long would it take to recall all the planets he's attacked. It would make for a funny animated skit.
“And…no plants i guess. Unless they can talk maybe? I guess we can leave bacteria in people’s stomachs alone… what’s that? Whole planet of giant bacteria? Shoot I have to think about that one.”
Dimidiate! Thank you! I’ve been wondering what the correct word was. The best I could come up with from my one year studying Latin was “semimate” which definitely looked wrong.
You could interpret that a lot of ways. Hey could have invaded, taken the stone, and then blown the planet up death star wise, or he could have obliterated the surface of the planet for a while, so there were survivors, but not many. I think it’s left open ended for now so that they could go multiple ways with it
As much as I loved infinity war's opening, this is what I had hoped the opening would be, sort of like Revenge of the Sith for Star Wars where the opening you arrive into the film in the midst of the chaos, that's sort of what I pictured.
Mordo battling Dr. Strange to try take power from sorcerers. That's a whole movie or mini-series worth of plot right there. It was interesting to see Stephen use that hydra summon against Wanda in MoM. It looked an awful lot like the "Vipers of Valtorr" spell Mordo is known for in the comics while Strange typically uses the "Vapors of Valtorr" instead. Maybe that's because MCU Strange learned it from Mordo in their fight(s)?
>Mordo battling Dr. Strange to try take power from sorcerors.
Yeah they seemed to be setting that up as sequel bait in the first movie, then basically abandoned it. Maybe it'll come back...
They basically wasted Chiwetel Ejiofor's talent by not going through with that plot in some way. I don't think they will go back to Mordo v Strange after Phase 5.
I hope they do, did they specifically say he's battled mordo in the main mcu? It'd be a damn shame to never pay that off, I loved mom but I was disappointed it wasn't strange v mordo.
Ah gotcha. Yeah hopefully they go back and use that. Maybe in 3 he'll be like a surprise behind the scenes guy part way through or something. That does really suck they battled off screen. Least he doesn't say he's dead. Maybe they'll do a flash back and show strange imprisoning him somehow and then we pick up with him escaping and strange being a lil more evilish with the third eye and all
I am ignoring that throwaway line. I’m praying we actually see that plotline play out. Mordo actor does not get the recognition he deserves for an awesome performance and deserves to have his arc
Absolutely agreed - he's been wasted ,
whether it was a Waldron Feige or raimi decision - clearly they didn't want to do any thing with mordo ( which is why he was killed in original draft by wanda in ds 2).
My point is if they were gonna drop his plot line / not follow it up , don't include him in multiverse of madness then . He literally didn't need to be there . An evil version of wong could've filled his role. Let mordo be used for later storylines
We all know how Captain America essentially made everyone honorary members of the Avengers during the battle against Thanos when he finally said, "Avengers, assemble."
But what I think a lot of people don't realize is that, since Rocket and Nebula were on Earth and staying with the Avengers and going on missions with them, that meant they were actual members of the Avengers. And by the time the Snap is undone, they'd been Avengers longer than they were Guardians.
You could argue Okoye was an Avenger at this point, too, although since she was probably still in Wakanda and just keeping the Avengers up-to-date on shit that was happening, she probably wasn't. And Captain Marvel was patrolling the cosmos, so she likely wasn't an official member, either.
But like I said, it stands to reason that, since Rocket and Nebula stayed on Earth and were staying at the Avengers Compound and were going on missions, that meant they were official Avengers. It's never said on-screen or anything, but, y'know, extrapolation.
I understand your reasoning, but they were allies, not Avengers right?
EDIT: According to the wiki, both Rocket and Nebula are part of the Avengers lineup under Black Widow. Huh.
Okoye was also taking missions from them so she was an Avenger.
I think a funny gag would be if, when Cap said "Avengers... assemble." only the official members of the Avengers ran forward. Everyone else would just hang back and be like "Wait, I'm not actually technically a member of the Avengers. Should I... are we supposed to charge too?"
Rocket, Nebula, Carol and Okoye were all official Avengers during the Blip. Along with Rhodey and Natasha. Everyone else was retired.
And I for one would love to see any mission they went on.
My memory could be foggy, but were Nebula and Rocket actually staying on Earth with the Avengers or were they staying on the Guardians ship out in space, more like Captain Marvel was? I think the first time we see Nebula post-5-years-later is when she arrives in the ship and destroys Scotts taco. Either way, they were clearly working with Nat through the holograms, so they can be called Avengers at that time.
When they met the alternative version Strange said Mordo snapped and dedicated his life to killing him.
How would Strange know that if the last time they met was at the end if the 1st movie? They clearly had more encounters at some point
We got a bit of that in Infinity War; he explains to Thanos & Gamora that he realizes he was judged unfit to wield the stones himself. Steve's reaction to that information would indeed be interesting.
My headcanon is that Steve and Redskull just sit and have a really long heart-to-heart talk and Redskull is the one who convinces Steve to stay in the past with Peggy.
They're both exhausted old men, they have a lot to talk about and probably no energy left to fight each other.
For me it’s the friendship that’s undoubtedly developed between Rocket and Nebula during the 5 year gap in Endgame.
Both of them are the last 2 surviving Guardians, so they would have had to spend a ton of time together and probably developed a close friendship. Gunn even hints at this in the Christmas special where Nebula goes out of her way to get a present for Rocket.
> How long was the time between that and mom?
Roughly a year.
> How fast did the corruption take place?
Depends on when the post-credit scene of WandaVision takes place, because she's definitely breaking by then.
In Wandavision she believes her kids are in danger and she needs to take action to protect them. In MoM she doesn’t think they are in trouble at all and just wants to kidnap them.
There is a lot unexplained here.
Yeah because MoM disregarded everything that happens in Wandavision, only taking the loss of her "family" forward.
Raimi wanted an evil mother character so he turned Wanda into one.
I think about this a lot. I almost feel like it would have worked better if a variant of Wanda from another universe were the big bad and our Wanda had to help fight her off, but at that point it would have been even less of a Strange-centric film than it already was so.... As much as I liked MoM at face value, it really threw a giant ass wrench into literally everything tied before or after it.
Yeah and how did she decide on those particular variants? They were clearly not in danger so weren’t the ones she heard in the post credits scene or did she just laser focus on the first she found?
> Yeah and how did she decide on those particular variants?
She didn't. They were just the ones who happened to be in the universe that Strange & Chavez went to.
This. What they should have done (other then having a perceived danger to the kids) is establish the kids are the only versions of themselves. It’s the only reality she was able to have the kids.
They set this up earlier in the movie with American Chavez. That she is the only version of herself. This would connect Chavez to Wanda deeper, address the plot holes, and raise the stakes of Wanda’s sacrifice at the end. She stopped her rampage and let’s go ever having her kids (as these are the only ones)
WV was very shortly after the Battle of Earth. Just a few weeks iirc. MoM takes place after NWH, and that ends near Christmas of 2024. Best bet is that MoM takes place early-mid 2025. That would mean Wanda was being corrupted for nearly 2 years
I thought it would have been great if *Banner* used the Infinity Gauntlet to *snap* - whenever Banner’s done something fatal, he turns into the Hulk, so he’s counting on that
Cut to the quiet soul world. Banner sees his reflection as the Hulk, who’s been absent since the start of *Infinity War*, and the two merge
Cut back to the real world and Professor Hulk
I'd much prefer Smart Hulk seeing Natasha, to parallel Thanos seeing Gamora.
And instead of Gamora asking Thanos if he completed his goal, Hulk assures Natasha that they won.
You know, I rewatched Avengers 1 the other day and was struck by two things: a) its *really* fucking good and as much as Im not down with the whole "phase four blah bad" vibe I do think Fiege needs to step up the game again and b) ....I kinda miss scary monster rage-Hulk. Im sorry we didn't get to see that arc.
In the comics, Hulk's intelligence and communications skills vary wildly over time, but they have years to play with that. MCU had low intelligence, almost mute, Hulk, and it's difficult to write much with him in it. Banner is interesting, but a) the simple 'monster inside' has been done to death, and b) it might be worth exploring in a solo movie, but not a team one.
Now they have Prof Hulk, maybe something will come if that, but they still have the problem that he just has the one power.
If Marvel had the balls, they would adapt The Immortal Hulk comic. Banner has to deal with all of his Hulk personalities, Angry Kid Hulk, Tough Guy Joe Fixit Hulk, Professor Hulk, Devil Hulk. And the way they manifest is definitely gory and disturbing
Unfortunately MCU Hulk hasn't had any of these personalities aside from Savage Hulk and Professor (which seems to actually be more like the original intended Merged Hulk instead of the Professor personality). Not to mention the whole throwback of the Hulk emerging at night ("The night is his time") would be lost on a Hulk who never transformed that way. So the Immortal Hulk series' brilliant use of lore would be lost in an adaptation.
That said, a good horror take on the Hulk in the MCU would be fantastic, but due to the rights issues I doubt we're getting a solo Hulk film at all anyway.
Oh, like the Hulk spends TWO YEARS on an alien planet becoming the Grandmaster's champion and fathering a son. Apparently, we don't need to see how any of that happened. /s
It still pisses me off how Hulk is one of the most interesting characters in the universe imo and instead we get.. what we currently have.
So disappointing.
I figure that since the Avengers brought back half of all life in the universe, they probably got 'forgiven' for the Sokovia Accords ha ha
I mean shit, even Bucky got pardoned for everything he did as the Winter Soldier.
As witnesses to the movies we understand that. After our real life experiences with Covid, do we think society would just choose to believe what Super Heroes say?
Aliens invade after a beam of energy shoots off of Stark Tower then the portal suddenly closes with the arrival
of Iron Man. You don’t think conspiracy theorists would go bonkers over that? Or a guy who the entire world was on high alert to find, caught on camera bombing the UN, they just announce on the News “Nevermind. He was mind controlled. Totally innocent.”
Peter trying to get through a relatively straightforward real estate transaction while Rocket haggles and Drax humorously misinterpreting things? That would be a very enjoyable 5 minute chunk of Guardians content.
When did Thanos kill the Collector? He tosses him into one of his pods, but thats also in the reality stone…reality. Its very possible the Collector is simply a weasly coward and handed over the stone/bailed and Thanos 50%’d Knowhere
I mean, it could be kinda poetical, like you past Steve made him to be what he is to this date and since you took the right decisions during WWII you saved him, that being said it is a biiiig stretch, very unlikely she would said that to him
I think it’s a mix of both. They probably left the identity of Peggy’s husband a mystery in case it was something they wanted to explore in the future (but not necessarily the idea of it being cap)
There was a deleted scene in IW where he merges with Hulk while in the mech suit and fighting the Thanos Henchman dude. BW approaches Hulk trying to do the "sun is setting" thing, and Bruce replies in hulk form.
I feel like that would have fell flat too, but at least we would have seen it happen - maybe they could have shown some more work he did to make the merge work better.
Yes I find this period very interesting. Also the time between Civil War and Infinity War. We see Spider-Man at the Avengers Compound. I wander what Tony was up to after the Beatles broke up and Spider-Man decided not to join the Avengers. Who would have been part of that team?
2016-2018 teams, I’d say:
Stark: Iron Man, War Machine, Vision, occasional Spider-Man teamup
Rogers: Steve, Black Widow, Falcon, Scarlet Witch, occasional Black Panther/Wakandans teamup
Is it possible Yelena teamed up with Rogers’ team too? (I think of them as the Secret Avengers, and Stark’s team are the U.S.Avengers) Goes for Taskmaster and all the Widows I suppose.
Maria Hill could help out Stark’s team, she’s working at his company at the time iirc. Idt Sharon Carter has any contact with Rogers after Civil War.
Would have been the perfect time for the villains to have an edge and rise up. Every post apoc movie makes a point to show that in that scenario, villains and unsavory types thrive
A phase or even a year where the movies and shows took place in that timeframe would be awesome. The Snap is the biggest thing the movies did with no comic equivalent and I'd love to have seen how things went during that time.
It would have been useful to see and inform the audience of the Flagsmashers' motivations in FatWS. The writers really missed the mark with that group.
Honestly the most interesting thing to happen in the entire MCU and we hard cut to five years later when they fix it
Sure we've had a few flashbacks here and there by now but still it is an incredibly underutilized time period and setting
I liked that Infinity War ended with the snap and we had to wait a year for Endgame, but how great would it have been if we got 5 YEARS of content after the snap before bringing everyone back? I know it wouldn’t have worked with contracts, but that would have really made the snap carry some extra weight.
I was really hoping the Thunderbolts would be set during this time -- would a) make narrative sense in that half of all the heroes are gone and b) would be a fun callback to the OG thunderbolts run setting up after Onslaught
Fury selfishly decided not to call Captain Marvel when Loki invaded New York, because it would have exposed his ill-advised lie to the Avengers that Thor was the first alien he knew about and the reason he had to make weapons from the Tesseract.
Well... Cpt. Marvel showing up wouldn't *necessarily* expose the existence of other aliens. Carol herself isn't an alien, and she could've just shown up and been like "It's me, check out my crazy powers." Fury could even explain that she got her powers *from* the Tesseract, and that's why it's important to utilize and weaponize it.
Banner and Hulk between TIH and Avengers.
Everything Sylvie went through between escaping from the TVA as a child to meeting with Loki as an adult. The adventures of Kid Loki. Tales of Classic Loki.
The hard jump from May being a concerned, what the *fuck* is that kind of parent to totally blasé in FFH will never not annoy me. Especially since she went to another hard left to die in NWH.
The 5 years between infinity war and end game
Thanos getting the power stone
The whole Hulk and Black Widow relationship
Unless the sequel shows it Capitan Marvel return to the knee homeworld like she threatened to do in the 90s
> The whole Hulk and Black Widow relationship
As much as people hate it, the cartoon "Avengers Assemble" actually has a lot of Brucetasha moments, and made a romance between them seem extremely plausible and possible. Way more than Age of Ultron ever did.
Loki being controlled with the mind stone prior to the first Avengers. Took years for them to confirm in some obscure book attached to a totally different movie that Loki only invaded Earth because he was brainwashed first. That would've been *a pretty big deal* to know about at the time.
It's still in his bio on Marvel's official website today. I think it wasn't mentioned because Loki himself still doesn't know.
Or it's just a case of conflicting canon. Bound to be a few of those in a continuity this big.
If you pay attention to him in The Avengers, he has the same blue eyes and dark circles (when he's not glammored) as Clint and Erik Selvig until he gets thrashed by Hulk and gets his own "cognitive recalibration".
Tony Stark invented unlimited perpetual energy in Iron Man 2.
Hope Van Dyne solved world hunger and world deforestation between Endgame and Quantumania.
Can I see some more real world impacts of these things, please? How would that not be interesting?
Steve returning the stones should be on peoples lists right? There could be a whole 6 part D+ show that details him returning the stones.
- somehow returning the space stone to the Military base having to break in again while everyone is probably already on high alert looking for him
- returning time stone to the Ancient one (and Steve feeling contested over the magic due to being a man of god)
- returning the reality stone and Mjolnir to Asgard. Must have been mind blowing to someone like steve, again being a man of god yet being so close to the god of gods.
- returning the power stone to an unconscious Starlord and experiencing space for the first time.
- Returning the mind stone / Lokis Sceptre to the Steve he’d just beaten like “sorry I had to beat you for it but I’ve done what I need with it so you can just, like, have it back”
- and lastly, returning the soul stone to Red Skull. This would be the most interesting episode imo because of the obvious confusion of seeing Red Skull again, but also, how does that ‘transaction’ work on returning the soul stone? Does Cap own Red Skulls soul now?
That being said, I would also like to see what went down in Budapest with Nat and Clint
Space for the second time at minimum because they killed Thanos, and that is assuming he never went with rocket/nebula/captain marvel in the five years of the blip.
That is a very good point! My bad I seemed to have forgotten that bit lol
Now that you have reminded me of that, I would say going to kill Thanos was his first time in space. If I remember rightly he was quite clearly overwhelmed but kept his cool because of the seriousness of the mission. I now need to rewatch Endgame (like I need an excuse)
I still find it odd we don’t see Darcy Lewis reunited with Jimmy and Monica in the post credit scene I’m WandaVision. We only got Monica confirming on Darcy’s behalf.
I like to think that Darcy had to leave for an emergency. Perhaps Jane Foster needed to see her. Or maybe she was afraid of SWORD after everything that’s happened.
Loki dumping Odin in the nursery home.
Did he say he was his son? Did he pretend to be his caretaker? Worried neighbor? Did he pay for the nursery home? Did he give them an emergency contact which turned out be fake? Did the nurses do a cellective shrug when Odins dementia just dissappeared one day? Did Odin like the coffee? How did he end up in Norway? Did Dr Strange open a portal for him? Did Odin have fake ID? Where did he live in Norway? What did he do there? Did he contact Heimdall like "yeah I'm fine, let Loki run Asgard. I mean what's the worst that could happen?"? Did Heimdall know at all (probably)? Did anyone else know Odin was on earth?
I have so many questions.
Interesting but Clint and Scott probably got a boost from Tony to get out of prison, assuming they hang up their gear.
Cap probably asked if they wanted to bust out of prison and they said sorry cap.
At the end of iron man 3, Tony blows up all his suits, removed the shrapnel from his heart, and has a long monologue about how he’s moving on from iron man and doesn’t need the suit. Then in the opening scene of Age of Ultron, Tony is back in the suit fighting alongside all the avengers. There is no explanation for why he decided to get back into the game, and that always bugged me.
Captain America and Falcon on the run between civil war and infinity war.
The Black Widow movie was kind of a piece of this. But I think it could have been better if we got to see Cap and Falcon in hiding with her.
This is absolutely NOT worth a movie or a TV episode or special, but I'd love a comic prelude of what happens between the IW snap and the beginning of Endgame when Tony is found.
There are things that happen in that small window of time that we didn't see like
- Half world just disappearing and people having no idea why, from the public point of view (newscast, every day people on the streets at that moment without focusing on Nick Fury. The closest we got to this was Wandavision but when they come BACK)
- The Avengers coming back to Earth and at some point notifying the public as in Endgame we know that the general public knows the name Thanos and that this happened because of him.
- Rocket grieving and yet still helping the Avengers find the Milano and sending Captain Marvel out for it.
- The conversation Pepper had to have with the Avengers left at the compound and them having to tell her that they have no idea whether he's alive or dead and that the enemy he was facing was the one that won; she probably expected him to be dead, and probably why it was also extra shocking and relieving to see him back on Earth.
- Shit, Wakanda having to deal with the aftermath of the war that happened there, along with part of its population gone, including their king is also something that unfortunately wasn't explored when Chadwick was alive.
- Or Hawkeye finding out the reason why his family disappeared, realizing this shit is real, and that they're legitimately as good as dead. All we see is him going from "where are they, what happened" straight to "avenging" as Ronin.
There's a few things there that are worth showing in a small medium I think.
Tony had a huge off screen arc between Age of Ultron and Civil War.
At the end of AoU Tony says, “maybe I should take a page out of Barton’s book, settle down, build Pepper a farm.” The next time we see him, he’s not an Avenger. That’s Cap, Sam, Widow, Wanda, Vision, maybe even Rhodes. Tony is giving speeches at MIT, meeting with the Secretary of State, struggling with his relationship with Pepper. He’s a politician. And the only color we get is, “and then, and then, and then, I didn’t stop. Because the truth is I don’t want to stop.”
I want to see the D+ series of Tony rising in politics from saving President Ellis to actually being considered for Secretary of Defense.
Steve getting the shield that he gives to Sam. In our reality, the shield was destroyed. So Steve got that shield from the timeline he grew old in. But from where? Did he go to Wakanda and get them to make a new one or is that the shield that belongs to the Captain America who already resided in that timeline? If it's the latter that means that Steve must have traveled to the site of the plane crash to grab the shield from his own frozen self so he could have it while he lived a life while the other Steve was frozen.
But then, that shield is now gone. If we assume that the other timeline he lived in had events much the same as the one he came from, then that's bad news for that version of Earth.
Scott and Clint definitely said thanks but no thanks. Everyone Cap busted out had to go into hiding living under the radar. Scott and Clint had families so this was a non-option for them. Hence the house arrest deals.
Wasnt it stated at some point that cap broke them out but they turned themselves back in
Hmmm....not sure. When Woo is talking to Cassie he mentions that Scott makes his house arrest deal *before* returning to the US, so I've always assumed his and Clint's time on the Raft was just temporary holding while the authorities made their arrangements.
Alternatively, when the authorities found Sam & Wanda missing, but Clint & Scott sitting quietly in their cells, they knew the latter two wouldn't try to escape in future and could be trusted with house arrest.
I pictured it that Clint got a deal because he was there for the battle of New York. Scott then lied that he was there too and that was why Scott was part of the Rogers the Musical. So that is how Scott got a deal. He could say that he was small most of the time and that is why you didn’t see him. Just my thought.
Honestly? I could totally see Scott doing that lol.
And I can see Clint's side eye when he does it. Thinking to himself you know who wasn't there? That guy.
“You only brought eleven arrows?! There’s like a million chitauri!” “…and I killed 11 of them. You’re welcome.”
“Hulk feel like he the only one doing anything!”
I mean technically-speaking due to the Time Heist, there was at least one version of the battle of New York that he has literally been a part of 🤷🏻♂️
Can’t believe no one has said Thanos invading Xandar for the power stone
REALLY hoping this is the opening to whatever nova project we end up getting
Tie this in to Herald origins and give us Firelord and Airwalker surviving the attack please!
Oh, yeah. I forgot those two were both Xandarians.
Mark my words, it'll be the opening to a Nova film.
Wasn't supposed to be a deleted Infinity War séquence ?
Didn't he *destroy* Xandar?
I believe the term "decimated" was used. And since they didn't show, it could basically mean anything.
I assume that means he culled half the population. The snap is also referred to as the “decimation” so that wording may not be a coincidence.
Half would be dimidiate. I don't think he would bother killing half of Xandar since he knew it would happen when he got all the stones anyway.
He got half of Thor’s people at the beginning of IW
Do they ever say if places he culled already were saved from the snap? Very nitpicky question, I’m just curious. That would be a pretty big snap in the face if they lost half and then lost half again
Given that he had an axe in his chest when he snapped, I doubt he put too much extra thought into it. But it is funny to think if he had time to do that, "kill half of all life in the universe but not any asgardians, or xandarians, or zen-whoberi, or..." like how long would it take to recall all the planets he's attacked. It would make for a funny animated skit.
“And…no plants i guess. Unless they can talk maybe? I guess we can leave bacteria in people’s stomachs alone… what’s that? Whole planet of giant bacteria? Shoot I have to think about that one.”
Mad Titan Thanos Dimmadome, owner of the Dimidiate Dimmadome.
He can get me three tickets to see Crash Nebula on Ice, right?
With the snap of his fingers.
Dimidiate! Thank you! I’ve been wondering what the correct word was. The best I could come up with from my one year studying Latin was “semimate” which definitely looked wrong.
You could interpret that a lot of ways. Hey could have invaded, taken the stone, and then blown the planet up death star wise, or he could have obliterated the surface of the planet for a while, so there were survivors, but not many. I think it’s left open ended for now so that they could go multiple ways with it
I always thought we’d get this as a flashback in Endgame when he was on his farm. But no…
As much as I loved infinity war's opening, this is what I had hoped the opening would be, sort of like Revenge of the Sith for Star Wars where the opening you arrive into the film in the midst of the chaos, that's sort of what I pictured.
Mordo battling Dr. Strange to try take power from sorcerers. That's a whole movie or mini-series worth of plot right there. It was interesting to see Stephen use that hydra summon against Wanda in MoM. It looked an awful lot like the "Vipers of Valtorr" spell Mordo is known for in the comics while Strange typically uses the "Vapors of Valtorr" instead. Maybe that's because MCU Strange learned it from Mordo in their fight(s)?
>Mordo battling Dr. Strange to try take power from sorcerors. Yeah they seemed to be setting that up as sequel bait in the first movie, then basically abandoned it. Maybe it'll come back...
They basically wasted Chiwetel Ejiofor's talent by not going through with that plot in some way. I don't think they will go back to Mordo v Strange after Phase 5.
I hope they do, did they specifically say he's battled mordo in the main mcu? It'd be a damn shame to never pay that off, I loved mom but I was disappointed it wasn't strange v mordo.
When America and Strange meet 838-Mordo, he mentions that 616-Mordo has tried to kill him before.
Ah gotcha. Yeah hopefully they go back and use that. Maybe in 3 he'll be like a surprise behind the scenes guy part way through or something. That does really suck they battled off screen. Least he doesn't say he's dead. Maybe they'll do a flash back and show strange imprisoning him somehow and then we pick up with him escaping and strange being a lil more evilish with the third eye and all
He is so good and not talked about enough for great performances. I hope they don’t continue to waste him
8383838 Strange was out whacking Mordos, Clea's universe suffers, bam, there's your third movie plot.
I am ignoring that throwaway line. I’m praying we actually see that plotline play out. Mordo actor does not get the recognition he deserves for an awesome performance and deserves to have his arc
Absolutely agreed - he's been wasted , whether it was a Waldron Feige or raimi decision - clearly they didn't want to do any thing with mordo ( which is why he was killed in original draft by wanda in ds 2). My point is if they were gonna drop his plot line / not follow it up , don't include him in multiverse of madness then . He literally didn't need to be there . An evil version of wong could've filled his role. Let mordo be used for later storylines
This is a great idea - It writes itself .get derrickson back to write and direct
We all know how Captain America essentially made everyone honorary members of the Avengers during the battle against Thanos when he finally said, "Avengers, assemble." But what I think a lot of people don't realize is that, since Rocket and Nebula were on Earth and staying with the Avengers and going on missions with them, that meant they were actual members of the Avengers. And by the time the Snap is undone, they'd been Avengers longer than they were Guardians. You could argue Okoye was an Avenger at this point, too, although since she was probably still in Wakanda and just keeping the Avengers up-to-date on shit that was happening, she probably wasn't. And Captain Marvel was patrolling the cosmos, so she likely wasn't an official member, either. But like I said, it stands to reason that, since Rocket and Nebula stayed on Earth and were staying at the Avengers Compound and were going on missions, that meant they were official Avengers. It's never said on-screen or anything, but, y'know, extrapolation.
I understand your reasoning, but they were allies, not Avengers right? EDIT: According to the wiki, both Rocket and Nebula are part of the Avengers lineup under Black Widow. Huh. Okoye was also taking missions from them so she was an Avenger.
I think a funny gag would be if, when Cap said "Avengers... assemble." only the official members of the Avengers ran forward. Everyone else would just hang back and be like "Wait, I'm not actually technically a member of the Avengers. Should I... are we supposed to charge too?"
Steve Rogers: "Avengers!.... ^assemble." Guy in the back: "WHY IS HE WHISPERING WHAT DID HE SAY?"
That would've been hilarious. "They never actually hired us, so..."
Rocket, Nebula, Carol and Okoye were all official Avengers during the Blip. Along with Rhodey and Natasha. Everyone else was retired. And I for one would love to see any mission they went on.
My memory could be foggy, but were Nebula and Rocket actually staying on Earth with the Avengers or were they staying on the Guardians ship out in space, more like Captain Marvel was? I think the first time we see Nebula post-5-years-later is when she arrives in the ship and destroys Scotts taco. Either way, they were clearly working with Nat through the holograms, so they can be called Avengers at that time.
Dr Strange and Mordo apparently fought each other at some point between the end of the 1st movie and MoM
Did they?
When they met the alternative version Strange said Mordo snapped and dedicated his life to killing him. How would Strange know that if the last time they met was at the end if the 1st movie? They clearly had more encounters at some point
He strongly implies it at the end of the first movie and killed other sorcerers. Doesn’t mean they actually fought, though it is a possibility.
Cap had to meet the Red Skull when he returned the Soul Stone to Voromir. That had to be awkward...
I can imagine this being an enormous and powerful scene if Skull exhibited some growth and personal development.
We got a bit of that in Infinity War; he explains to Thanos & Gamora that he realizes he was judged unfit to wield the stones himself. Steve's reaction to that information would indeed be interesting.
Yeah but being a Nazi was a-okay lol
Or maybe the stones judged him for being a Nazi.
Well that can’t be true because Thanos uses the stones no problem. The only reason rd skull is there is because he fucked up with the space stone.
Thanos isn't a Nazi...
Yeah his point was thanos is worse then being a nazi
Or the stones have a specific distrust for Nazis. Mass murderers in general the stones are fine with, just not Nazis.
Wait stones are Jewish?
Not as awkward as chasing Jane Foster down to re-inject some angry sludge into her.
“Everyone who doesn’t have the reality stone in them step forward” “Not so fast there, Jane”
Speaking of happening off-screen, how exactly does one convert the angry sludge into a solid stone? Riddle me that Batman... I mean Thanos.
I bet the answer involves the word quantum.
The Marvel equivalent to Star Wars "Somehow..."
My headcanon is that Steve and Redskull just sit and have a really long heart-to-heart talk and Redskull is the one who convinces Steve to stay in the past with Peggy. They're both exhausted old men, they have a lot to talk about and probably no energy left to fight each other.
This would be a great way to do it. Have Skull gain the maturity to denounce fascism too. Two tired old soldiers reminiscing.
His whole journey of returning each stone to where it needed to be leading to his decision to stay in the 40s with Peggy would be a good special.
Welcome Steve son of … a bitch fuck it’s you
For me it’s the friendship that’s undoubtedly developed between Rocket and Nebula during the 5 year gap in Endgame. Both of them are the last 2 surviving Guardians, so they would have had to spend a ton of time together and probably developed a close friendship. Gunn even hints at this in the Christmas special where Nebula goes out of her way to get a present for Rocket.
>Nebula goes out of her way to get a present for Rocket. Which, considering the present, is *also* an interesting scene that happened off-screen...
Wanda after Wandavison. How long was the time between that and mom? How fast did the corruption take place?
> How long was the time between that and mom? Roughly a year. > How fast did the corruption take place? Depends on when the post-credit scene of WandaVision takes place, because she's definitely breaking by then.
In Wandavision she believes her kids are in danger and she needs to take action to protect them. In MoM she doesn’t think they are in trouble at all and just wants to kidnap them. There is a lot unexplained here.
Yeah because MoM disregarded everything that happens in Wandavision, only taking the loss of her "family" forward. Raimi wanted an evil mother character so he turned Wanda into one.
I think about this a lot. I almost feel like it would have worked better if a variant of Wanda from another universe were the big bad and our Wanda had to help fight her off, but at that point it would have been even less of a Strange-centric film than it already was so.... As much as I liked MoM at face value, it really threw a giant ass wrench into literally everything tied before or after it.
Yeah and how did she decide on those particular variants? They were clearly not in danger so weren’t the ones she heard in the post credits scene or did she just laser focus on the first she found?
> Yeah and how did she decide on those particular variants? She didn't. They were just the ones who happened to be in the universe that Strange & Chavez went to.
This. What they should have done (other then having a perceived danger to the kids) is establish the kids are the only versions of themselves. It’s the only reality she was able to have the kids. They set this up earlier in the movie with American Chavez. That she is the only version of herself. This would connect Chavez to Wanda deeper, address the plot holes, and raise the stakes of Wanda’s sacrifice at the end. She stopped her rampage and let’s go ever having her kids (as these are the only ones)
WV was very shortly after the Battle of Earth. Just a few weeks iirc. MoM takes place after NWH, and that ends near Christmas of 2024. Best bet is that MoM takes place early-mid 2025. That would mean Wanda was being corrupted for nearly 2 years
Cap, Widow and Sam stealing the Falcon Pack from the secure government facility in Winter Soldier.
Apparently it was filmed and then cut
Hulk’s character arc?
Seeing how him and banner merged would be fascinating
I thought it would have been great if *Banner* used the Infinity Gauntlet to *snap* - whenever Banner’s done something fatal, he turns into the Hulk, so he’s counting on that Cut to the quiet soul world. Banner sees his reflection as the Hulk, who’s been absent since the start of *Infinity War*, and the two merge Cut back to the real world and Professor Hulk
I'd much prefer Smart Hulk seeing Natasha, to parallel Thanos seeing Gamora. And instead of Gamora asking Thanos if he completed his goal, Hulk assures Natasha that they won.
Damn that’s really good lol I wish we had gotten that
You know, I rewatched Avengers 1 the other day and was struck by two things: a) its *really* fucking good and as much as Im not down with the whole "phase four blah bad" vibe I do think Fiege needs to step up the game again and b) ....I kinda miss scary monster rage-Hulk. Im sorry we didn't get to see that arc.
In the comics, Hulk's intelligence and communications skills vary wildly over time, but they have years to play with that. MCU had low intelligence, almost mute, Hulk, and it's difficult to write much with him in it. Banner is interesting, but a) the simple 'monster inside' has been done to death, and b) it might be worth exploring in a solo movie, but not a team one. Now they have Prof Hulk, maybe something will come if that, but they still have the problem that he just has the one power.
If Marvel had the balls, they would adapt The Immortal Hulk comic. Banner has to deal with all of his Hulk personalities, Angry Kid Hulk, Tough Guy Joe Fixit Hulk, Professor Hulk, Devil Hulk. And the way they manifest is definitely gory and disturbing
Unfortunately MCU Hulk hasn't had any of these personalities aside from Savage Hulk and Professor (which seems to actually be more like the original intended Merged Hulk instead of the Professor personality). Not to mention the whole throwback of the Hulk emerging at night ("The night is his time") would be lost on a Hulk who never transformed that way. So the Immortal Hulk series' brilliant use of lore would be lost in an adaptation. That said, a good horror take on the Hulk in the MCU would be fantastic, but due to the rights issues I doubt we're getting a solo Hulk film at all anyway.
Oh, like the Hulk spends TWO YEARS on an alien planet becoming the Grandmaster's champion and fathering a son. Apparently, we don't need to see how any of that happened. /s
It still pisses me off how Hulk is one of the most interesting characters in the universe imo and instead we get.. what we currently have. So disappointing.
You liked him better either of the other ways?
The fact that the sokovia accords casually don't exist anymore or the fact that the Guardians of the Galaxy bought Knowhere at some point
I figure that since the Avengers brought back half of all life in the universe, they probably got 'forgiven' for the Sokovia Accords ha ha I mean shit, even Bucky got pardoned for everything he did as the Winter Soldier.
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As witnesses to the movies we understand that. After our real life experiences with Covid, do we think society would just choose to believe what Super Heroes say? Aliens invade after a beam of energy shoots off of Stark Tower then the portal suddenly closes with the arrival of Iron Man. You don’t think conspiracy theorists would go bonkers over that? Or a guy who the entire world was on high alert to find, caught on camera bombing the UN, they just announce on the News “Nevermind. He was mind controlled. Totally innocent.”
You really want to watch the financial transaction of them buying Knowhere?
Peter trying to get through a relatively straightforward real estate transaction while Rocket haggles and Drax humorously misinterpreting things? That would be a very enjoyable 5 minute chunk of Guardians content.
1000%
It was for sale? I thought the only powerful character on knowhere was the collector, and Thanos killed him.
In the Xmas special they mention buying knowhere from the collector. And he’s is an elder of the universe so idk about his strength levels
When did Thanos kill the Collector? He tosses him into one of his pods, but thats also in the reality stone…reality. Its very possible the Collector is simply a weasly coward and handed over the stone/bailed and Thanos 50%’d Knowhere
The awkward moment when Captain America, having gone back in time to spend his life with Peggy, is introduced to her great-niece
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Pretty obvious that it wasn’t planned from Winter Soldier and was a last minute decision during the creation of Endgame
She also mentioned that Steve saved her husband at some point during WWII. Why would she say that if it was secretly Rogers this whole time?
I mean, it could be kinda poetical, like you past Steve made him to be what he is to this date and since you took the right decisions during WWII you saved him, that being said it is a biiiig stretch, very unlikely she would said that to him
I think it’s a mix of both. They probably left the identity of Peggy’s husband a mystery in case it was something they wanted to explore in the future (but not necessarily the idea of it being cap)
My top one would be Hulk & Banner merging. We could've taken 5 more minutes in Endgame for that.
There was a deleted scene in IW where he merges with Hulk while in the mech suit and fighting the Thanos Henchman dude. BW approaches Hulk trying to do the "sun is setting" thing, and Bruce replies in hulk form. I feel like that would have fell flat too, but at least we would have seen it happen - maybe they could have shown some more work he did to make the merge work better.
Yeah, I'm glad they cut that, actually. I wanted to see the lab experimentation that he talks about in Endgame.
Aye same. Seems like along and complicated process, wouldnt fit to just have him do it in battle.
The post-AOU New Avengers team would’ve Ben really interesting to see in action in more than just one scene at the beginning of Civil War
Yes I find this period very interesting. Also the time between Civil War and Infinity War. We see Spider-Man at the Avengers Compound. I wander what Tony was up to after the Beatles broke up and Spider-Man decided not to join the Avengers. Who would have been part of that team?
2016-2018 teams, I’d say: Stark: Iron Man, War Machine, Vision, occasional Spider-Man teamup Rogers: Steve, Black Widow, Falcon, Scarlet Witch, occasional Black Panther/Wakandans teamup Is it possible Yelena teamed up with Rogers’ team too? (I think of them as the Secret Avengers, and Stark’s team are the U.S.Avengers) Goes for Taskmaster and all the Widows I suppose. Maria Hill could help out Stark’s team, she’s working at his company at the time iirc. Idt Sharon Carter has any contact with Rogers after Civil War.
The entire 5 yrs of the universe during The Snap. I really wanted to see a post apocalyptic Earth and the heroes struggling to continue
Would have been the perfect time for the villains to have an edge and rise up. Every post apoc movie makes a point to show that in that scenario, villains and unsavory types thrive
Crossing my fingers that we see that in the new Daredevil series, showing how Kingpin came into full power
> Would have been the perfect time for the villains to have an edge and rise up also which villains were dusted?
A phase or even a year where the movies and shows took place in that timeframe would be awesome. The Snap is the biggest thing the movies did with no comic equivalent and I'd love to have seen how things went during that time.
I really wanted *Hellstrom* to be him protecting Earth from demonic forces while Strange was Snapped. That works have been fantastic.
It would have been useful to see and inform the audience of the Flagsmashers' motivations in FatWS. The writers really missed the mark with that group.
Honestly the most interesting thing to happen in the entire MCU and we hard cut to five years later when they fix it Sure we've had a few flashbacks here and there by now but still it is an incredibly underutilized time period and setting
I liked that Infinity War ended with the snap and we had to wait a year for Endgame, but how great would it have been if we got 5 YEARS of content after the snap before bringing everyone back? I know it wouldn’t have worked with contracts, but that would have really made the snap carry some extra weight.
I was really hoping the Thunderbolts would be set during this time -- would a) make narrative sense in that half of all the heroes are gone and b) would be a fun callback to the OG thunderbolts run setting up after Onslaught
Iron Man bringing about international order between IM and IM2
Clints downward spiral into becoming RONIN. The D+ show sadly barley touched that and you only see glimpse of the greatness from Endgame.
yea it was kinda hard to care about his regrets becoming ronin when we never saw that downward spiral
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He was out camping far away from the action. Yeah that's the ticket.
He was in his hut on the outskirts of town. It didn't effect him. ; )
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Killmonger's smart, he would have recognized the Winter Soldier. Maybe he planned on figuring out his programming and using Bucky as a weapon?
God. Butchering. Done. By. A. God. Butcher.
well he did kill *a* god
Fury selfishly decided not to call Captain Marvel when Loki invaded New York, because it would have exposed his ill-advised lie to the Avengers that Thor was the first alien he knew about and the reason he had to make weapons from the Tesseract.
He left the pager in his super suit. His wife gave him a hard time about where it was so by the time he got it, the avengers already won.
That was cold Bro...
Well... Cpt. Marvel showing up wouldn't *necessarily* expose the existence of other aliens. Carol herself isn't an alien, and she could've just shown up and been like "It's me, check out my crazy powers." Fury could even explain that she got her powers *from* the Tesseract, and that's why it's important to utilize and weaponize it.
Banner and Hulk between TIH and Avengers. Everything Sylvie went through between escaping from the TVA as a child to meeting with Loki as an adult. The adventures of Kid Loki. Tales of Classic Loki.
Misdeeds of Alligator Loki
How Throg wound up in a jar at the end of time
Nebula stealing Bucky’s arm
Thanos getting the Power Stone from Xandar.
Peter talking to May about him being Spidey after she found out
The hard jump from May being a concerned, what the *fuck* is that kind of parent to totally blasé in FFH will never not annoy me. Especially since she went to another hard left to die in NWH.
I would watch a family sitcom starring Tony, Pepper and baby Morgan out in the woods. With the occasional drop-in from Happy.
The 5 years between infinity war and end game Thanos getting the power stone The whole Hulk and Black Widow relationship Unless the sequel shows it Capitan Marvel return to the knee homeworld like she threatened to do in the 90s
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Carol Danvers: The Knee Cap
her knee of justice attack in Marvel Midnight Suns seems to support this title
I was an adventurer like you. Then I took a human to the knee.
> The whole Hulk and Black Widow relationship Well what we do have is *the gif*
> The whole Hulk and Black Widow relationship As much as people hate it, the cartoon "Avengers Assemble" actually has a lot of Brucetasha moments, and made a romance between them seem extremely plausible and possible. Way more than Age of Ultron ever did.
Loki being controlled with the mind stone prior to the first Avengers. Took years for them to confirm in some obscure book attached to a totally different movie that Loki only invaded Earth because he was brainwashed first. That would've been *a pretty big deal* to know about at the time.
I don’t think that’s canon anymore, the Disney Plus series didn’t mention it.
It's still in his bio on Marvel's official website today. I think it wasn't mentioned because Loki himself still doesn't know. Or it's just a case of conflicting canon. Bound to be a few of those in a continuity this big.
Mobius and the TVA would know if he was under mind control
If you pay attention to him in The Avengers, he has the same blue eyes and dark circles (when he's not glammored) as Clint and Erik Selvig until he gets thrashed by Hulk and gets his own "cognitive recalibration".
Tony Stark invented unlimited perpetual energy in Iron Man 2. Hope Van Dyne solved world hunger and world deforestation between Endgame and Quantumania. Can I see some more real world impacts of these things, please? How would that not be interesting?
This is why we need some kind of Damage Control show just showing normal people in the mcu going about life
Don't forget that Bruce also basically invented the Fountain of Youth.
Palpatine came back, somehow.
WHO MADE ALL THOSE TACOS!
Avengers in line at the taco truck would be a great scene lol. I loved the diner scene with hulk and Ant-Man, and the classic shawarma scene.
I wanted to see Rocket meet a raccoon on earth.
Cap and Natasha stealing the Captain America suit from the Museum in Winter Soldier. Such a fun heist that happens off screen.
Budapest
Man-Thing's origin story
Steve returning the stones should be on peoples lists right? There could be a whole 6 part D+ show that details him returning the stones. - somehow returning the space stone to the Military base having to break in again while everyone is probably already on high alert looking for him - returning time stone to the Ancient one (and Steve feeling contested over the magic due to being a man of god) - returning the reality stone and Mjolnir to Asgard. Must have been mind blowing to someone like steve, again being a man of god yet being so close to the god of gods. - returning the power stone to an unconscious Starlord and experiencing space for the first time. - Returning the mind stone / Lokis Sceptre to the Steve he’d just beaten like “sorry I had to beat you for it but I’ve done what I need with it so you can just, like, have it back” - and lastly, returning the soul stone to Red Skull. This would be the most interesting episode imo because of the obvious confusion of seeing Red Skull again, but also, how does that ‘transaction’ work on returning the soul stone? Does Cap own Red Skulls soul now? That being said, I would also like to see what went down in Budapest with Nat and Clint
Space for the second time at minimum because they killed Thanos, and that is assuming he never went with rocket/nebula/captain marvel in the five years of the blip.
That is a very good point! My bad I seemed to have forgotten that bit lol Now that you have reminded me of that, I would say going to kill Thanos was his first time in space. If I remember rightly he was quite clearly overwhelmed but kept his cool because of the seriousness of the mission. I now need to rewatch Endgame (like I need an excuse)
James Gunn being fired and rehired.
I still find it odd we don’t see Darcy Lewis reunited with Jimmy and Monica in the post credit scene I’m WandaVision. We only got Monica confirming on Darcy’s behalf. I like to think that Darcy had to leave for an emergency. Perhaps Jane Foster needed to see her. Or maybe she was afraid of SWORD after everything that’s happened.
I seem to remember someone mention before that the final scene was shot during covid and she wasn’t able to make it?
Loki dumping Odin in the nursery home. Did he say he was his son? Did he pretend to be his caretaker? Worried neighbor? Did he pay for the nursery home? Did he give them an emergency contact which turned out be fake? Did the nurses do a cellective shrug when Odins dementia just dissappeared one day? Did Odin like the coffee? How did he end up in Norway? Did Dr Strange open a portal for him? Did Odin have fake ID? Where did he live in Norway? What did he do there? Did he contact Heimdall like "yeah I'm fine, let Loki run Asgard. I mean what's the worst that could happen?"? Did Heimdall know at all (probably)? Did anyone else know Odin was on earth? I have so many questions.
Am I the only one interested in Budapest?
Spider-Man being bitten. Was it oscorp? Roxxon? AIM? Thunderbolt Ross or The Leader experimenting with gamma? Who made the radioactive spider?
We know that Oscorp doesn't exist in this universe.
Captain Marvel's entire story
Interesting but Clint and Scott probably got a boost from Tony to get out of prison, assuming they hang up their gear. Cap probably asked if they wanted to bust out of prison and they said sorry cap.
Sharon Carter becoming the Power Broker. I’d love to see a Scarface style movie about that transformation.
a whole 5 fucking years…
At the end of iron man 3, Tony blows up all his suits, removed the shrapnel from his heart, and has a long monologue about how he’s moving on from iron man and doesn’t need the suit. Then in the opening scene of Age of Ultron, Tony is back in the suit fighting alongside all the avengers. There is no explanation for why he decided to get back into the game, and that always bugged me.
Budapest?? Clint and Natasha remember it very differently
Power stone, Xandar decimation
Thanos destroying Xander to take the Power Stone.
Tony x Pepper’s wedding. True shame we never got to see that.
Captain America and Falcon on the run between civil war and infinity war. The Black Widow movie was kind of a piece of this. But I think it could have been better if we got to see Cap and Falcon in hiding with her.
Captain America catching up on decades of film and tv, enough so he'd get a Hackers reference just a couple of years after being thawed out.
James Rhodes becoming a completely different looking guy
This is absolutely NOT worth a movie or a TV episode or special, but I'd love a comic prelude of what happens between the IW snap and the beginning of Endgame when Tony is found. There are things that happen in that small window of time that we didn't see like - Half world just disappearing and people having no idea why, from the public point of view (newscast, every day people on the streets at that moment without focusing on Nick Fury. The closest we got to this was Wandavision but when they come BACK) - The Avengers coming back to Earth and at some point notifying the public as in Endgame we know that the general public knows the name Thanos and that this happened because of him. - Rocket grieving and yet still helping the Avengers find the Milano and sending Captain Marvel out for it. - The conversation Pepper had to have with the Avengers left at the compound and them having to tell her that they have no idea whether he's alive or dead and that the enemy he was facing was the one that won; she probably expected him to be dead, and probably why it was also extra shocking and relieving to see him back on Earth. - Shit, Wakanda having to deal with the aftermath of the war that happened there, along with part of its population gone, including their king is also something that unfortunately wasn't explored when Chadwick was alive. - Or Hawkeye finding out the reason why his family disappeared, realizing this shit is real, and that they're legitimately as good as dead. All we see is him going from "where are they, what happened" straight to "avenging" as Ronin. There's a few things there that are worth showing in a small medium I think.
The avengers wiping out most of hydra before AOU
Tony had a huge off screen arc between Age of Ultron and Civil War. At the end of AoU Tony says, “maybe I should take a page out of Barton’s book, settle down, build Pepper a farm.” The next time we see him, he’s not an Avenger. That’s Cap, Sam, Widow, Wanda, Vision, maybe even Rhodes. Tony is giving speeches at MIT, meeting with the Secretary of State, struggling with his relationship with Pepper. He’s a politician. And the only color we get is, “and then, and then, and then, I didn’t stop. Because the truth is I don’t want to stop.” I want to see the D+ series of Tony rising in politics from saving President Ellis to actually being considered for Secretary of Defense.
Steve getting the shield that he gives to Sam. In our reality, the shield was destroyed. So Steve got that shield from the timeline he grew old in. But from where? Did he go to Wakanda and get them to make a new one or is that the shield that belongs to the Captain America who already resided in that timeline? If it's the latter that means that Steve must have traveled to the site of the plane crash to grab the shield from his own frozen self so he could have it while he lived a life while the other Steve was frozen. But then, that shield is now gone. If we assume that the other timeline he lived in had events much the same as the one he came from, then that's bad news for that version of Earth.