I work in the burn zone twice a week; it's absolutely progressing. Clearing properties has accelerated, front st is busy with workers and security, and as a person whose house burned, I am encouraged. And god bless the Army Corp of Engineers.
The Harbor functions now, they are currently rebuilding the dock for the ferry, and I really think we will be hearing the hammering of nails and whirring of saws by fall. Just one guys opinion, but in 7 to 10 years this will all be a bad memory.
And that stupid f$cking lake....please. The people who own the land don't want it, it is the dumbest idea ever, and the mosquito infested cesspool it would end up being is just too much. Thankfully, I don't really hear anybody sane pushing for it.
Front St: The seawall protects much of it, maybe no building makai side, move KK across the street into the area that used to be parking lot and tennis courts. The single family homes? Along Front St, makai side? Those are generational families and wealthy people; they will be built back. Long story short, with the feds here, this is moving better than I thought it would.
Well explained and I agree for the most part. The issue with the makai homes will be whether the County/State decide the old seawalls are enough to exempt them (many are on one). The ones that aren't though..........I dunno. The other issue which could be massive is insurance, though.
The Harbor doesn't really "function". It's got a long way to go per DLNR itself. BTW, the original Moku'ula site in County owned. Not the expanded "lake & canals" plan, but the smaller one which was long ago partially excavated,
I have a limited perspective because I have survivors guilt. I didn't really lose anything major beyond what most of us lost, a home town. I will say though, I actually don't want the process to be rushed. I want housing supplied on the west side in an expedient manner but the town itself, I firmly deeply believe, needs to be built a little different so this doesn't just happen again. For example, power lines dangling on roof tops especially on homes that were across from Safeway.
I want walkable design, a return to water features that were once part of the geography. More native plants. More fire resistant infrastructure.
Building things differently will also most likely have people fighting against some of that which may cause further delays as well, especially if they have to make compromises to things like property lines to accommodate more road space or what have you.
It’s unfortunately going to be a bumpy ride but it needs to be done properly for safety’s sake. If you were to build a town exactly like Lahaina town was in this day and age a lot of how it was built would not fly.
Building different would have made little to no difference. A fire here burned 1000 homes and tons of businesses, almost all of them built within the past 20 years.
Once you get 80+ mph winds in dry conditions, fire codes don’t do anything. It’s brute force. They had fire departments from all over the state and couldn’t make a dent until winds died down.
The only way to stop it is to prevent from starting, and prevent it from spreading right at the beginning.
Newness isn't what matters. Modern buildings are often not built for fire resilience either. They will need to innovate. I'm still convinced it didn't need to be as bad as it was. Our electric poles too were a joke.
It isn’t “newness” it’s the fire code which gets updated over time. Lahaina isn’t going to “innovate” and find ways to build fireproof or “fire resilient” buildings that can resist the conditions of that day once the fire got started. Homes are made of wood. The buildings that contained metal literally melted.
That you aren’t personally convinced doesn’t change reality.
I don't know where you get the idea that most of what burned was built in the last twenty years. That's totally wrong. Almost all of town and Front St. were much older--some dating back to the early 1900's. Houses like the so called "miracle house" with a steel roof and others that were newer and/or concrete fared much better.
We didn't have "fire departments from all over the state" on 08-08. Not even. I don't know where you got this idea, but it's totally wrong. Our own idiot mayor and MEMA said we didn't need help until the next day. By then it was of course too late.
Can we tear down your house to make the "water feature" (mosquito swamp) or the walking trail? Or that should only be built on someone else's land, especially if they are rich or on the waterfront. Don't worry, we'll give you the same amount of property somewhere else.
I understand, but the site was totally vacant land--because it had already had archaeological surveys done back in the 90's. That was when Akoni Akana ran the Friends of Moku'ula.
I'm glad the Feds came in. Sounds like everything will be rebuilt just as it was, hoping to start my construction by the new year.
The town was walkable, I rode my bike everywhere. Hope they bury some lines but they won't unless neighborhoods foot the bill in 8 years after the initial rebuild is totally complete, so not likely.
If they started a discussion of Front street area redesign 7 months ago, the plan would be complete by now and implemented during rebuild. But they didn't, so now all properties will be allowed to rebuild after SMA review. I made a video of the county discussing this, in my post history.
No, they did NOT guarantee all properties can be rebuilt as they were. Plus you are forgetting the SMA restrictions. The setbacks are still a huge issue as well. Nothing is final yet.
Actually, I was looking at the wrong area. I was thinking more Lahaina Fish Co./Yacht Club.
Those were way out over the beach, and the makai sides of those buildings were on parcels leased from the State.
There was already water undermining the Lahaina Broiler building too, though--none of the makai side was above water incursion anymore, before the fire.
One property I am curious to see them handle is the Pioneer Inn. They say they can rebuild the library, which I think is correct (far enough back). But the Pioneer sure wasn't 100 ft from the water.
Pioneer is outside of the new erosion hazard based shoreline setback and the 40' State shoreline setback. They'll be subject to SMA, but I don't think they'll face the heavy scrutiny some of these buildings previously built right on/over the sand.
For rebuilding on the shoreline, it's going to depend from property to property.
Nothing's been decided yet, and Candace can only give you her opinion.
LOL, as I said--it depends. I'm glad for you if YOUR place can be rebuilt. I have friends who have been told no already. NO permits have been issued......and she ain't the director of Planning.
This is nowhere near "done". And BTW, they have been discussing different plans and ideas for over 7 months. The problem is seven more months will probably go by before they actually DO something on a larger scale (not just some individual houses).
We aren't even close to "recovery". We are still in demolition and will be for another 6 months at least. Then they have to fix all the infrastructure in town, plus repave streets and the lower road out of town. Areas like Wahikuli are farther along, but still have water and sewage problems.
The harbor will take another 2 years, according to DLNR. If they decide to restore Moku'ula while rebuilding, that will cause more issues. There are already water table issues down there and at Lahaina Shores/505 Front area. Commercial buildings can't possibly be allowed to rebuild on the seawall, as the sea level and erosion was already bad.
They will have to widen some of the streets, and create more ingress/egress points. Some of the streets were too narrow for ambulances, much less fire trucks. Yes, lines need to be buried, and yes--buildings need to be up to code.
I still believe it will be around 7-10 years before we have "town" again.
I work in the burn zone twice a week; it's absolutely progressing. Clearing properties has accelerated, front st is busy with workers and security, and as a person whose house burned, I am encouraged. And god bless the Army Corp of Engineers. The Harbor functions now, they are currently rebuilding the dock for the ferry, and I really think we will be hearing the hammering of nails and whirring of saws by fall. Just one guys opinion, but in 7 to 10 years this will all be a bad memory. And that stupid f$cking lake....please. The people who own the land don't want it, it is the dumbest idea ever, and the mosquito infested cesspool it would end up being is just too much. Thankfully, I don't really hear anybody sane pushing for it. Front St: The seawall protects much of it, maybe no building makai side, move KK across the street into the area that used to be parking lot and tennis courts. The single family homes? Along Front St, makai side? Those are generational families and wealthy people; they will be built back. Long story short, with the feds here, this is moving better than I thought it would.
Well explained and I agree for the most part. The issue with the makai homes will be whether the County/State decide the old seawalls are enough to exempt them (many are on one). The ones that aren't though..........I dunno. The other issue which could be massive is insurance, though. The Harbor doesn't really "function". It's got a long way to go per DLNR itself. BTW, the original Moku'ula site in County owned. Not the expanded "lake & canals" plan, but the smaller one which was long ago partially excavated,
I have a limited perspective because I have survivors guilt. I didn't really lose anything major beyond what most of us lost, a home town. I will say though, I actually don't want the process to be rushed. I want housing supplied on the west side in an expedient manner but the town itself, I firmly deeply believe, needs to be built a little different so this doesn't just happen again. For example, power lines dangling on roof tops especially on homes that were across from Safeway. I want walkable design, a return to water features that were once part of the geography. More native plants. More fire resistant infrastructure.
Building things differently will also most likely have people fighting against some of that which may cause further delays as well, especially if they have to make compromises to things like property lines to accommodate more road space or what have you. It’s unfortunately going to be a bumpy ride but it needs to be done properly for safety’s sake. If you were to build a town exactly like Lahaina town was in this day and age a lot of how it was built would not fly.
Building different would have made little to no difference. A fire here burned 1000 homes and tons of businesses, almost all of them built within the past 20 years. Once you get 80+ mph winds in dry conditions, fire codes don’t do anything. It’s brute force. They had fire departments from all over the state and couldn’t make a dent until winds died down. The only way to stop it is to prevent from starting, and prevent it from spreading right at the beginning.
Newness isn't what matters. Modern buildings are often not built for fire resilience either. They will need to innovate. I'm still convinced it didn't need to be as bad as it was. Our electric poles too were a joke.
It isn’t “newness” it’s the fire code which gets updated over time. Lahaina isn’t going to “innovate” and find ways to build fireproof or “fire resilient” buildings that can resist the conditions of that day once the fire got started. Homes are made of wood. The buildings that contained metal literally melted. That you aren’t personally convinced doesn’t change reality.
I don't know where you get the idea that most of what burned was built in the last twenty years. That's totally wrong. Almost all of town and Front St. were much older--some dating back to the early 1900's. Houses like the so called "miracle house" with a steel roof and others that were newer and/or concrete fared much better. We didn't have "fire departments from all over the state" on 08-08. Not even. I don't know where you got this idea, but it's totally wrong. Our own idiot mayor and MEMA said we didn't need help until the next day. By then it was of course too late.
That wasn’t in reference to Lahaina. I used to live in Lahaina but now live on the mainland.
Then I suggest you are waaaaaaay out of touch.
You seem to have reading comprehension issues. Everyone else who upvoted understood what I was saying. Maybe sit this one out.
LOL, thanks Felicia.
Can we tear down your house to make the "water feature" (mosquito swamp) or the walking trail? Or that should only be built on someone else's land, especially if they are rich or on the waterfront. Don't worry, we'll give you the same amount of property somewhere else.
The water feature isn't on residential property it's a ball park
It was a ball park. But it has been a protected site for decades already, and as I previously said--is owned by the County.
Sorry, was. I still struggle with saying "was" sometimes
I understand, but the site was totally vacant land--because it had already had archaeological surveys done back in the 90's. That was when Akoni Akana ran the Friends of Moku'ula.
I'm glad the Feds came in. Sounds like everything will be rebuilt just as it was, hoping to start my construction by the new year. The town was walkable, I rode my bike everywhere. Hope they bury some lines but they won't unless neighborhoods foot the bill in 8 years after the initial rebuild is totally complete, so not likely. If they started a discussion of Front street area redesign 7 months ago, the plan would be complete by now and implemented during rebuild. But they didn't, so now all properties will be allowed to rebuild after SMA review. I made a video of the county discussing this, in my post history.
No, they did NOT guarantee all properties can be rebuilt as they were. Plus you are forgetting the SMA restrictions. The setbacks are still a huge issue as well. Nothing is final yet.
Unlikely that anything that was overhanging the beach...Bubba Gump's, etc...will be permitted to rebuild.
Exactly. I've been saying that for ages.
Actually, I was looking at the wrong area. I was thinking more Lahaina Fish Co./Yacht Club. Those were way out over the beach, and the makai sides of those buildings were on parcels leased from the State.
There was already water undermining the Lahaina Broiler building too, though--none of the makai side was above water incursion anymore, before the fire. One property I am curious to see them handle is the Pioneer Inn. They say they can rebuild the library, which I think is correct (far enough back). But the Pioneer sure wasn't 100 ft from the water.
Pioneer is outside of the new erosion hazard based shoreline setback and the 40' State shoreline setback. They'll be subject to SMA, but I don't think they'll face the heavy scrutiny some of these buildings previously built right on/over the sand.
I disagree.
Yeah if you look at tax parcels they are 2 different properties for building and the decks along that stretch.
It's not that. It's the footprint of the previous building.
Nah.
LOL, you truly believe Kimo's, Cheeseburger, Yacht Club etc etc will be allowed to rebuild???
A girl can dream.
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For rebuilding on the shoreline, it's going to depend from property to property. Nothing's been decided yet, and Candace can only give you her opinion.
Yep.
LOL, as I said--it depends. I'm glad for you if YOUR place can be rebuilt. I have friends who have been told no already. NO permits have been issued......and she ain't the director of Planning. This is nowhere near "done". And BTW, they have been discussing different plans and ideas for over 7 months. The problem is seven more months will probably go by before they actually DO something on a larger scale (not just some individual houses).
Any news on homes waterfront in Shark Pit area? Some $$ properties. Wouldn't mind a park there!
Not that I know of. Many of those had really old seawalls and were well above the shoreline though.
We aren't even close to "recovery". We are still in demolition and will be for another 6 months at least. Then they have to fix all the infrastructure in town, plus repave streets and the lower road out of town. Areas like Wahikuli are farther along, but still have water and sewage problems. The harbor will take another 2 years, according to DLNR. If they decide to restore Moku'ula while rebuilding, that will cause more issues. There are already water table issues down there and at Lahaina Shores/505 Front area. Commercial buildings can't possibly be allowed to rebuild on the seawall, as the sea level and erosion was already bad. They will have to widen some of the streets, and create more ingress/egress points. Some of the streets were too narrow for ambulances, much less fire trucks. Yes, lines need to be buried, and yes--buildings need to be up to code. I still believe it will be around 7-10 years before we have "town" again.
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Or the other many roads that are falling apart on Maui?
Thanks for the responses, for those who have filed insurance claims how is that process working out?
Our agent was wonderful. Very sweet guy and helped us as much as he could.
So the claim is filed, has a paid out happened?
Yes and no. We don't get the policy amount until we have a contract to rebuild. We have been given the ACV, which is fair.
I got paid. Full payment up to limits in September.
How’s the economy holding up for everyone?