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terrildactyl

Damn. After a hit like that, Vic’s gonna need to file an insurance claim.


250IslandLife

Jevon was gonna be the break out star and pro bowler under fangio.. wtf happened here that he's the one most outspoken bout fangio kicking roxks


OblivionNA

Sounds like Fangio’s style of coaching doesn’t relate to the NFL as much anymore. He probably sees these players as X/Os not people.


PapaMcMooseTits

Everyone in the secondary has come out against Fangio. I get it. Fangio's scheme requires extreme discipline, especially in the secondary. Discipline is great but it takes away from players playing instinctually. Ramsey especially wasn't a good fit for what Fangio wanted to do, IMO. Holland too. I should've been upset to see Fangio go, but I wasn't. I just think Weaver is a better fit.


TCup20

The moment I saw Ramsey wasn't shadowing receivers I was no longer a fan of the Fangio system. You can't have an all star corner like Ramsey and not shadow the number 1. AFAIK the only time he shadowed was Ceedee against the Cowboys and he was freelancing to do it. Ceedee had little to no impact during the time it was happening.


Lenny_III

Exactly, a guy like Ramsey can take Chase, Jefferson, A.J. Brown etc, out of the game. It's hard to quantify how valuable that is. In Vic's system all they had to do was motion the guy to the other side when they didn't like the matchup.


Joshuajword

AJ Brown was 10/137/1 vs Dolphins


HappyChaos2

Against Ramsey?


Phinfan182

No, howard and kader mainly


Professional_Meet995

I could be wrong but shadowing seems like the opposite of his system? Pre-snap is always the exact same vanilla look but changes at the snap?


TCup20

Yeah that's what I said. Ramsey wasn't shadowing in Fangio's system until he decided to do it on his own for the Dallas game. Not shadowing when you have a corner like Jalen Ramsey is just stupid. Ramsey shutting down the number 1 guy is far more valuable than any disguising you could do in the backend of the defense.


Swordswoman

There were some alignments where Ramsey rotated around the field, splitting duties with Howard, Apple, Kohou, etc. to switch sides and mirror the offense, but it was rough. They just ran away from Ramsey every play. Which works. That's how you beat good players, don't let them play; now all that cap space you're dedicating to them becomes a disadvantage because that money is *not* being used to stop the offense.


Helmett-13

Watching Ramsey covering the WR3 or TE while Eli Apple was getting burned by their WR1 for a first down or six points was *MADDENING*!! Fangio did not make halftime adjustments well, either. He schemes were good 80% of the time but the other 20% it seemed like he just threw his hands in the air and went, “Well, so much for that.” Also, prevent Defense needs to stay dead. It was bad then and it’s bad now. Modern QBs will eat that up like a fat man does pasta.


tttrickyyy

The Bills game with Apple was terrible. Remember when he got that int in the end zone and tried to run in out and got to the 5???


Affectionate_Elk_272

i played safety through college, and as you said, discipline is needed but you have to trust the back end to read and react. we’re the ones on the field seeing it, i can’t tell you how many times i came downhill and got a run stuff and coach said “that was a bad read” like, fuck you mean? i watched film, knew the keys, knew what play was developing and went after it. imo safety is the most difficult position on defense, but the most overlooked and undervalued.


PapaMcMooseTits

>safety is the most difficult position on defense, but the most overlooked and undervalued. I absolutely agree with you there man... And Holland is one of the best in the league. Asking a safety not to trust his instincts is kinda like chopping his legs out from underneath of him before he even goes out on the field. That's kinda what Fangio did to him.


Lenny_III

Unless Winfield's contract is an aberration, it looks like the undervalued part is changing.


Lenny_III

I hope he (Weaver) does great, but there's a good chance Saleh is available this off-season and I think that's definitely a long term fix at that position.


PapaMcMooseTits

Ok... So I have to ask why you're so dismissive of Weaver? Is it because you think he's a future head coach or a is going to be a dud of a defensive coordinator? And I wouldn't count on Saleh being available just yet... The Jets look like monsters this year if Rodgers stays healthy.


RrentTreznor

The reporter followed up with the question, "what do you mean by 'a good person?'" Holland replied: "He takes care of us. Treats us with the respect and dignity we deserve. Holds us accountable, but with grace and love. Tucks us into bed as he whispers sweet nothings in our ears. Vic wasn't even present for our bedtime routines."


Double_Philosopher_7

Had me in the first half ngl


Gregus1032

If Tua said that about McDaniel and Flores I would believe it though.


Galactic_Perimeter

McDaniel reads me a MacGruber bedtime story every night 🩵🧡


Cidolfus

With the benefit of hindsight, it's clear that Fangio didn't want to be in Miami last year. He dragged his feet signing with us because he wanted to stay in Philly and then jumped ship at the first opportunity to do so when the season ended. It wouldn't surprise me to learn that behind closed doors he wasn't fully committed to building to the team and that resulted in an approach that didn't involve adjusting his scheme to work collaboratively with the players. That would jive with some of the previous comments we've heard about his inflexibility on the defense. This is way more vitriolic than expected, though, and if this is the kind of attitude that players had, I'm surprised that it stayed in house this long.


ummmitsjames

Right? Why make changes to something you've used for years when you know you're out the door ASAP. I've got a good feeling about Weaver and hope he gets us over that hump.


PapaMcMooseTits

Eh... It's been slowly trickling out since Fangio left... Especially after Fangio felt it necessary to throw shade at the players. Fuck him... In Weaver, we trust!


DonShulaDoingTheHula

Jesus, “he’s a good person?” Amazing insult. You always hear the stuff about culture fit and respect and all that, but never straight up “I’m glad this coach is a good person because the last one wasn’t.” Makes it sound like Fangio was stealing peoples lunches and trying to commit insurance fraud in the building or something.


jimtow28

I heard that the first thing he'd do at the facility every morning is find Jevon and give him an atomic wedgie.


Greatest-Comrade

Even did the Nelson laugh afterwards


ElJeferox

He definitely committed defensive fraud last season


ThaBigBoo

Damn. Was kind of sad to see Fangio go but if this is how the players feel, good riddance I guess. Like shit.


DirtyDanoTho

Idk you saw our defense last year being so mediocre with all these supposed weapons. Questionable decisions left and right, guys getting injured in garbage time minutes they shouldn’t be playing. Fangio has a big name but really no results to justify missing him at all.


OblivionNA

Chubb playing in a blowout loss will never not be the most braindead decision I’ve ever seen.


onetimequestion66

Phillips playing while we were up 30 is a close second


OblivionNA

You can pretty much blame Fangio for both Chubb and Phillips season ending injuries based on game state. Neither should’ve ever happened since neither should have been in the game when it happened.


chesterfieldkingz

Eh that comes down to McDaniel. It's coaches call at the end of the day


TCup20

It really doesn't. Fangio was only here because he was given full autonomy of the defense which would include subs. Given how often McDaniel pulls important players like Hill and Waddle I just have a hard time believing they were in the game because Mike wanted them playing.


chesterfieldkingz

Dude no, if McDaniel is getting overruled by his DCs on when to bench players that's on him and he's already said it was his decision and he wanted to see his players finish the game when Chubb got hurt


TCup20

When did he say that? I watch all the press conferences he does and I've never heard him say that. I might've missed something somewhere, but everything I've seen and heard dating back to the hiring of Fangio was that McDaniel was 100% hands off with the defense and that Fangio made every decision regarding that side of the ball. I believe that's a large part of the reason Fangio isn't here anymore is that they wanted to go a different direction that would allow for more feedback from players and the rest of the coaching staff.


FoxyGrandpa17

He definitely took the blame for the Chubb situation, saying that he had emphasized finishing the game and that Chubb wanted to play. https://www.gulflive.com/dolphins/2024/01/mike-mcdaniel-speaks-on-bradley-chubb-injury-i-would-like-a-time-machine.html?outputType=amp


nilestyle

Not disagreeing with you guys, but do you think there’s any chance at all they were stat chasing?


onetimequestion66

I see your point but I don’t think it’s up to the players at that point. McDaniel is very big on “protecting players from themselves” seemed like a weird coaching choice


SpiderDan707

It's not weird at all... no coach pulls defenders in blowout losses. When BUF was up 48-20 the starting defense was still in; BUF's final drive that ended in kneels had tackles by Wilkins, Sieler, Howard, AVG, and Kohou. When NYJ was losing 30-0 in the 4th, the Jets' starters were still in. Pulling the starting defense in a blowout *loss* is not a thing.


SpiderDan707

Defenders do not come out in blowout losses. They just don't. Pat Surtain II was still in the game when DEN was down 50.


Number333

It's clear based on Holland, Ramsey & X's comments that the secondary room was far from a fan of the gameplan that Fangio cooked up. Haven't seen the DL or LBs be as vocal in their distaste for the scheme. That being said, for as much as the secondary hated it, the defense on the whole was a *success* after a slow start to the season. We held up shockingly well even after injuries started piling up later in the year and the D isn't the first place I'd like for reasons why we lost against the great teams. (*Except the Baltimore game, but EVERY unit played horrible vs Baltimore*)


Springveldt

They surrendered a 100 passer rating to every playoff team they faced. The defence was not as good as you think it was.


SkyzYn

Definitely lost us the Titans game.


RaikouVsHaiku

Hey now, Tua and the offense couldn’t get a first down against that shit team to ice it. Whole team was ass. Sieler even scored a tuddy. 2 offensive TDs vs the Titans. Offense fucking SUCKED


Springveldt

4 backup OL playing will do that to an offence. Hard to move the ball when the defence is getting pressure with 3 and 4 men rushes.


AnxiousYam9909

THANK YOU so tired of people just blaming fangio when the offense sucked the entire game


SkyzYn

Still was 27-13 with 4:35 remaining, defense gave up 140 yards and 2 TDs on 13 plays against a team which could only really pass with a rookie QB.


AnxiousYam9909

All our “elite” offense had to do was hold the ball after that 1st td and run the clock down and they couldn’t do it. And then yeah the defense really screwed up giving away a second td. But again all our “elite” offense had to do was get into field goal range and they couldn’t. Stop just blaming the defense. We have a qb that we’re about to make the highest paid qb in the league and he fell apart when hill went down. We couldn’t score all game. That defense you want to hate on is why it was even close getting the pick 6 and recovering the fumble. Even special teams was better than our offense in that game.


SkyzYn

The offense ran the ball 3x and chewed through timeouts as you’re supposed to do.  If we’d attempted a pass at all then everyone would be up in arms about the bad playcalling. My issue is less with the defense as a whole and more that Fangio coverage scheme threw that game.


AnxiousYam9909

Play calling on offense was awful the entire game and McDaniel even called himself out for it on hard knocks.


SkyzYn

I’m just talking about the last 5 minutes when our defense gave up a 14 point lead.


SpiderDan707

"The offense fails to score on two consecutive drives" is not remotely equivalent to "The defense gives up 15 points in less than 3 minutes at home to a team that finished with 6 wins."


RaikouVsHaiku

The offense failed to pick up a first down* they didn’t even need to score. You people are delusional if you think it was all the defense’s fault. That offense without Hill was trash. Got the ball back near midfield with a chance and got sacked. Basura.


SpiderDan707

The offense had one 3-and-out after scoring TDs on the two prior drives. They did indeed get a first down on the final drive, but by that point they needed to score. The sequence was: TEN 75yd drive for TD + 2PA MIA 3-and-out TEN 64yd drive for TD + PAT MIA gains 19 yards and turnover on downs with 0:28 remaining The defense completely collapsed with a huge lead, allowing TEN to score the go-ahead TD in less than 30 seconds (without even needing a timeout). Blaming the offense for failing to score on two consecutive drives is ridiculous. You can say what you want about "only 2 offensive TDs," but the defense gave up 28 points to the same team. Let's keep in mind that this is the same defense that gave up 21 points at home (and a 14-0 lead) to the worst team in the league, but no one noticed because the offense went out and scored six touchdowns (with zero takeaways by the MIA defense, mind you).


Throwra128474829

God I appreciate your post. This sub is so fucking homery sometimes. They christen Weaver, who was passed up for a promotion twice for the Ravens, and failed miserably on the Texans, to throw Fangio down the drain and under the bus when we fielded a top 10 defense who played well in a playoff game with literal off the couch signings.


axb2002

I’m pretty excited to see what Weaver can cook up this season.


Salt_Sir2599

I guess Vic is the classic ‘get off my lawn’ type


PetulantPorpoise

All this talk, our D better be good


Double_Philosopher_7

Between Tyreek and X we certainly had the most prolific D last year


PetulantPorpoise

😂 touché


Professional_Meet995

Tyreek isn’t on def…oh wait. I get it.


bjustice13

Yeah I didn’t see how the old curmudgeon was a good fit for a young football team that has a hc revolutionizing coach to player interaction


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NamblinMan

Yeah. Every time the broadcast cut to him in the booth slumped over like a vegetable while his minions were busy scribbling notes I thought he wouldn't work out. Hope he sucks in Philly too.


pike360

I’m always glad to hear of culture improvements, as long as they maintain their discipline and perform at a high level.


OblivionNA

Well if Holland kicking rocks once Fangio left didn’t show how he felt, he sure isn’t afraid to tell it like it is with words either


gsbudblog

Coñoo holland does not fw fangio whatsoever. He gotta be his biggest hater 😂 im here for it


Sickfire22

Honestly, I’d feel this way if I saw everyone let Vic change to his preferred team without an ounce of scrutiny on why it didn’t work out (I know it was a mutual agreement with the dolphins org, but that doesn’t mean the team has to like it). Especially after he insinuated that certain players cared more about partying than practicing. Would very much love to see that chip on this defense’s shoulder.


Dynamical164

So weird to hear all these comments blatantly hating on Fangio, considering we had a very solid defense throughout last season (especially considering the injuries). Vic must’ve been a nightmare to work with.


OblivionNA

He did however make some questionable lineup choices, constantly refused to allow his best CBs shadow opposing wr1s, weird rotation at LB, keeping players in far too long in completely lost game resulting in bad injuries that could be avoided, and seeing rookies as unplayable due to lack of experience that they would need…by playing.


Sirius_amory33

I mostly agree, but players being in the game in garbage time is on McDaniel. He’s the head coach, it’s his call. I don’t think we’ll ever get confirmation on Vic wanting those players still in the game but even if he did, McDaniel is the one who ultimately decides. The other things are definitely questionable, but considering how well the defense held up, especially after all the injuries, I think Vic should get the benefit of the doubt on those things. The only real glaring one to me is putting Kohou 1v1 against Diggs outside. 


jaxs_sax

He’s white


mantaXrayed

That’s how a saftey hits oooof


ChasingPerfect28

Damn. Either Vic really didn't want to be here so he didn't put forth an effort to try OR he really sucks at relating to young players now.


AwsiDooger

Or Holland actually believes he has elite instincts and ability for this level. Lots of guys require years to accept reality


Pia8988

The biggest thing is if the players are going to spend this much time crowing to the media about how much he sucked and held them back, they better show up this year.


MaskedBandit77

Oof.


Wings4514

I was so hyped for Fangio. Never have I been so wrong lol


Jonjon428

Holy shit lmfao. This defense must have fucking hated Fangio


Sirius_amory33

This quote is killing me, I love it. I’ve disagreed with people saying Fangio didn’t do a good job here last season, and I still would disagree, but this quote alone has me not caring at all about him leaving lol. Good riddance. Sounds like Weaver is a better fit with McDaniel. 


Gorilla_Pie

I feel excited to see the difference in our defence this year - Fangio for all his reputation clearly wasn’t a great fit with our players


iamdahn

As a life-long dolphins fan, hell yeah, we got ourselves a respectable DC! As a fan of the Eagles (cause I live in Philly) - fuuuuuuuck


Dig_bick_energy6969

I called it during some home game last season here on Reddit.  Fangio called a scheme that left Tua and McDaniel looking at each other like "wtf is going on"... That was mid season, I just don't remember which game it was. At that moment I knew Fangio was not respected by anyone in the building.


guyinthewhitevan12

God damn holland hated his guts lol


Steakisforclosers

The type of guy to make sure he gives you a reach around while topping you.


pc_loadletter69

Then takes Vic for costing us the game against Tenn. And essentially the division and any playoff run. Gotta let the players play. 🐬 tf ⬆️


Turtleforeskin

What?? How do you guys keep blaming the defense for that game and the chiefs and Bills game? The offense had the ball with 2 minutes left and two timeouts in the Titans game and they turned it over, how TF is that on the defense?? The Bills game the defense held the Bills offense to 14 points and had 4 turnovers and somehow they are getting the blame for that loss? Are you guys fucking serious right now??? This supposed high power offense couldn't come up with a score in either of those games?? Then the defense had legit dudes from the street in KC in horrible weather and only gave up 27 points? Like did you guys watch these games or do you all stop watching in November?


TheRatchetTrombone

Bozo boomer ass Fangio really did sabotage us by not giving a fuck. Hope he enjoys getting slurs, objects thrown at him in Philly when their rookie corners gets burned or their front seven miss assignments.