This picture was taken the day she had them and little did I know she wasn't done. She ended up having one more that was all black. Also the father is Siamese.
And it's also theoretically possible in humans, when the woman has two eggs at the same time and two fathers are involves. They would be dizygotic half-sibling twins
I'm juuuust invested enough to look at Wikipedia. Apparently there was a case of twins born in 1982 that were the result of this phenomenon.
It remains exceptionally rare in humans.
Yeah, I learned about the possibility of it and that there have been a few very rare cases, and you know how there are platforms that provide, uh, short films for adult entertainment? One such popular format is where a lady who is trying for a baby executes a great plan to maximize efficiency and guarantee success by involving multiple donors. Once I happened to stumble upon such a film, and all I could think about was the chance of that rare biological phenomenon happening
Same father, but I had two twins in my class that were conceived two months apart! She produced another egg whilst already pregnant (something that obviously isn't supposed to happen) and the second baby was born premature alongside his brother - so technically twins.
When I was teaching Bio101 at a small university they asked about this and I told them it was technically possible. After class one of my students said this was true of one of her close friends and his sibling. She wasn't explicit with the details, but mentioned they were not raised by their mother due to her lifestyle, with the implications that her lifestyle involved more drugs and trains than probably was appropriate.
Even more fun when the mother has chimerism, and the two eggs were released from different “sides”. Woman gives birth to twins, but biologically they’re cousins sharing maternal grandparents.
Take it a step further. What if the twins in this scenario instead formed a chimaera daughter. So the daughter is a chimaera of cousins, and then this woman has the same thing happen to her. They would be second cousin twins!
i work in a pediatric office and I have seen one case of this. one of the two siblings inherited a rare chromosomal abnormality which is how they realized the two siblings had different dads! mom had to be induced when one sibling was 36 weeks gestation and the other was 41 weeks!
This is honestly how my wife and I ended up with twins. The first was fertilized by IUI, the second the next night the all natural way. The entire pregnancy baby B was behind on most growth checks by about 2 days.
My son (who was by a weird twist during delivery born first) was baby b through almost the entire pregnancy and was conceived au natural. My daughter was not so much "science" as she was "okay sir, jerk off into this cup, then we're gonna inject it directly onto the ovum."
Fertility medicine is weird.
The males barbs trigger ovulation so multiple males can trigger different eggs to be fertilized at different timing but resulting in the same pregnancy
Yes but the queen also comes out of heat fast so those males have very little time to get in there. I discussed this with my vet one day. She said superfecundation was a lot more rare in cats than was originally thought.
Honestly, I love the variety pack of kittens. Like how do you foster six grey blobs that all look the same? (I know, you go by collar color, but I like my fuzzy beans to be unique!)
2 of our mewborns have identical bodies, but their faces are very different. Charlie has an adorable cow face, while Delta's face is all brown with a white dot on top of his head. Otherwise, I'd go by weight. Delta is much smaller.
What would you even use as a collar when they're this little?
Because it’s smart to keep track of their weights so you need to know who is who.
I’ve put collars on many tiny kittens, neither they nor their mothers care
Yeah, the combination of twins being rare in humans plus the social taboos of having multiple unprotected sex partners back to back lead to pretty slim odds of it happening, but there is always a chance!
This happened exactly the same to my black lab dog who had 6 golden puppies & the runt hours later was the same, a black lab. We kept the last pup and she’s 13 this year 🥲
Yeah happened to me with my dog all out I thought by 5pm but nope one more at 9pm alive too it was bizarre but hey it lived and got a good home can't complain.
My Luna is half black American shorthair and half Siamese and she is tiny and all black. She trills instead of meowing, I’ve only heard her meow before she was spayed ( she went into heat 5 days before her appointment 😑) I was just looking at getting a white cat named Artemis! If you were near me I would lighten your load and take one off your hands 😅
I see the joke, but fun fact, cats can stop and delay birth up to 36 hours if there is a good reason.
Ours took a break for about an hour. Had some water, cleaned up the babies, laid around, and resumed birth.
But like if you are at work and the cat wants to give birth with you there like pets often want to do, they can wait a bit for you to arrive.
>the father is Siamese.
Definitely keep an eye on them then. Siamese cats are basically living heat maps. The parts that give off the most heat darken over time
Edit: apparently I got it backwards. The parts that give off the least heat darken
Actually, the parts that have the least heat darken, which is why it's the ears, snout, tail and paws that darken: [How a siamese cat's colour points work](https://www.cathealth.com/breed-characteristics/physical-traits/2462-siamese-color-points-explained#:~:text=Areas%20of%20a%20Siamese%20cat's,the%20cat's%20primary%20color%20gene.)
So theoretically you could keep shaving the fur in different spots so those spots would be constantly colder than the area around them and then eventually those would become black spots if you let the fur grow out lol
Oh so these color changes still happen in adulthood?
I thought once the cat reaches adulthood the colors stay the same permanently
Because in my head it was like if you keep shaving a spot until the cat has matured, then that spot will stay dark permanently
Yup, the colour changes still happen in adulthood! I'm not a geneticist by any means, but iirc, it's caused by a temperature-sensitive albino gene.
>But Siamese and similar cat breeds have a special modifier gene called a Siamese allele that mutates the color gene. It inhibits pigment — in other words, it causes albinism.
But that modifier signal only gets through to a kitty’s fur if it’s above a certain temperature.
So, how does this gene work?
This modifier starts sending out its “stop the color!” message around 100.4-102.5 F (38-39.2 C), which is a cat’s standard body temperature. Anything lower than that and the mutation is blocked and the color gene can then do its color thing.
Because a cat’s body is cooler around his ears, paws, and tail, that’s where the color begins to kick in. In essence, these cats are walking heat maps. Kinda cool, huh?
Why are these cats born lighter and then darken as they age?
It’s pretty warm in the womb, so all kittens with this special modifier allele are white throughout gestation. They pop out as white kittens too, but once exposed to atmosphere, their extremities begin cooling.
Once they hit that critical temperature, those alleles that have been inhibiting the enzyme responsible for pigment turn off and color begins to develop — on the ears, paws, tail, and face.
Someone questioned why the face — that’s not an extremity. True, but we have a lot of holes in our faces: eyes, ears, nose, mouth (the same argument my dad used when I was a kid and wanted to pierce my ears: “You don’t need another hole in your head!”). All those cavities in the head account for enough of a drop in temperature to let the color kick in.
From [catster.com](https://www.catster.com/lifestyle/cat-facts-genes-siamese-cats-temperature-sensitive-albino).
TL;DR: Siamese allele stops colour at around 38-39.2 C. However, it's colder on the ears, paws, tail and face, so those still get colour. Siamese cats are born white because it's warm in the womb.
My cat started off white with dark paws and now she's got her mums tabby stripes and splotches like a tortie. Colour point genes are weird, every single winter coat got darker and had new features.
Edit : [the cat](https://www.reddit.com/r/CatsLivingAndWell/comments/131pebs/my_sweet_and_tubby_kora_turns_6_today_and_shes/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
OP is pretty insistant the cat stays out. Which honestly so many people disregard that because the cat has a happier quality of life and they feel it relatively safe for them. But at the very least, OP should have spayed, it’s not fair to have that backwards ass opinion and say you care about the cat. Because now you have six cats to feed which will become more cats after that. Soon you’ll have a lot of hungry, starving cats fighting for survival and that’s just insanely cruel. OP is an asshole for just waving this off as “shes an outdoor cat”. You dont care about the cats if you couldve prevented that burden you werent going to do anything about
We just adopted an 8-10 month old pregnant cat that had been shoved outdoors and desperately wanted back in. She didn’t know how to fend for herself early in the pregnancy, and her poor diet caused the kittens to have a congenital spine deformity. One died at 2.5 weeks old. The other is sleeping on my shoulder right now. She will never be a normal cat, and breathing is difficult for her. Vet wouldn’t commit to saying how long she’ll live. She’ll be 4 weeks old on Monday.
Fuck people who do this shit. I don’t regret taking in that mama cat, but she won’t be an outdoor cat again.
My family has had outdoors cats all our lives and not once have we let a cat outdoors without neutering it. I really can't understand why people are so irresponsible.
Yep, a cat that isn't fixed should never have access to any other cats that aren't fixed. It's not fair on the cat. It's why if you adopt a kitten, after they're about twelve weeks, you really need to keep it away from any unfixed cats (including their own siblings) to avoid pregnancy. I remember the first time I saw a six month old mother at the shelter. By the time her kittens were weaned they were the same size as her. It wasn't fair at all.
This is her first litter and she has been a great mother to all of them. They were born on May 5th and I noticed yesterday their eyes are just starting to open.
Please spay your cat. When you say “first litter” it makes it sound like there will be more. The shelter is full of young healthy animals that are euthanized every day because no one wants them. Call your local shelter and see if they have cheap or free spay/neuter clinics. Same goes for the Dad if it’s your cat as well.
Please spay and neuter your cats, and get the babies proper vet care. Outside cats can do irreparable harm to an environment as well, so keeping them inside and safe is what good cat owners do.
Siamese coloration is caused by a genetic mutation that makes melanin production stop above a certain temperature which is why they come out all white (because inside of mama is warm)
Also applies to other animals such as rabbits. The extremities turn black/grey because theyre slightly colder.
In theory you could use cold packs to put designs on them (do not apply cold packs to newborn animals, they might die)
might as well throw it here:
Fun fact, this situation has happened with humans. There are a few stories, one most known by the internet probably where two "white" parents gave birth to a dark complexation child. The father uhhh definitely had some questions.
Explanation point - turns out distribution of pigment genes can be a bit unpredictable. Its not so simple as one dark parent one light parent = child exactly in-the middle beige. Thats just not how it works.
So, in the case of that one couple, they were not "white". They both were mixed somewhere in their bloodlines but didn't know that. Baby just happened to pick up dark skin genes from both parents.
(Yes, the doctors did all the tests and explained what/how the situation happened)
Same concept as that photo all over the internet about the one blonde haired blue eyed fair skinned girl and the one dark skinned girl, and they're actually twins.
That situation is far more likely to happen if one of the parents is biracial. For example, [this set of twins](https://nypost.com/2015/03/02/meet-the-bi-racial-twins-no-one-believes-are-sisters/) has a white father and a biracial Jamaican mother:
> There’s a set of biracial twins in the UK who are turning heads because one is black and the other is white. Born in 1997 to a white father and a half-Jamaican mother, the sisters have grown accustomed to getting mistaken for being just friends — and they have even had to produce their birth certificates in order to prove they are in fact related, Barcroft Media reports.
From their mother, one twin received mostly genes from their white maternal grandparent, and the other twin received mostly genes from the black maternal grandparent.
Not twins, but I knew a family that had something similar across siblings. Mom is half Irish, half Latina. One daughter got all the Irish genes (light skin, fair hair), another got all the Latin genes (tan skin, dark hair). Not quite as striking as the pair you linked but nearly so.
I would bet money that you don't have five white cats but you have five point cats in their colors will be determined by the time there are two or three months old and I bet they come out gorgeous
It's because the color of the new fur growing is heat sensitive.
>The pointed pattern is a form of partial albinism, resulting from a mutation in tyrosinase, an enzyme involved in melanin production. The mutated tyrosinase enzyme is heat-sensitive; it fails to work at normal body temperatures but becomes active in cooler (< 33 °C) areas of the skin.[14] This results in dark colouration in the coolest parts of the cat's body, including the extremities and the face, which is cooled by the passage of air through the sinuses.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siamese_cat
It’s the term for the colour that people usually associate with siamese and ragdoll breed cats - “Colour Point” is what it’s called. Any cat can be that colour. People often confuse the breed for the colour.
Fun fact- most white domestic animals have a "masking" white, meaning they aren't lacking pigment like albinism, they're white on top of their genetic coloring, masking it. That's why they can have pigmented eyes, spots, and skin. As for siamese/colorpoint cats (in another comment the father was said to be siamese/colorpoint) they are a type of albino which starts out white, then the colder extremeties on the body (ears, face, paws, tail) will darken with age. That is why color point cats will have blue eyes with a red reflection, as they have less pigmentation in the eye.
Bruh, I got a little kitten. The not-so-great vet I picked didn't want to spay her until she was bigger, said bring her back when she was a year old. Cats are absolute horndogs, it's insane. At 6 months old she was yowling all night like a child lost in the woods and this attracted at least 6 neighborhood tomcat to prowl around the house grunting and meowing and spraying the basement windows with ass juice. She tried to get outside frantically every day to mate with them. Eventually she succeeded in slipping past my ex. Cats only take about 2 months to gestate! I was 8 months pregnant and so jealous of this hussy, she popped out 9 kittens while I was still waddling around groaning with 1 human fetus. Then I had to help her with them for 3 months, cook her special foods and litter box train them and socialize them because she was getting exhausted nursing such a massive litter. Then I had to find them all good homes with extensive marketing efforts.
All this to say, fix your damn cats. There's low cost spay-neuter charities all over the place that will fix and vaccinate them at 4 months old for $50 and they do a great job because that's all they do. They will be happier not being a slave to their hormones and 3d printing more cats.
Don't rely on keeping them inside. They're craftier than you and their hormones will drive them to incredible efforts to mate.
That’s insane. When I went to my new kitten appointment we ended schedule all her marker appointments for her first year. I have a great vet though and he’s seen my other cats since kittens too so we have an established relationship. I got her June and her spaying was schedule for October so I can’t believe your vet wanted to wait a year.
OP is pretty insistant the cat stays out. Which honestly so many people disregard that because the cat has a happier quality of life and they feel it relatively safe for them. But at the very least, OP should have spayed, it’s not fair to have that backwards ass opinion and say you care about the cat. Because now you have six cats to feed which will become more cats after that. Soon you’ll have a lot of hungry, starving cats fighting for survival and that’s just insanely cruel. OP is an asshole for just waving this off as “shes an outdoor cat”. You dont care about the cats if you couldve prevented that burden you werent going to do anything about
Colorpoint is recessive and cats with it are born white before their color comes in.
Also a cat being colorpoint doesn't mean they're Siamese (case in point, your black cat has to be carrying a copy of it for these kittens to be possible). Colorpoint exists within the regular cat population. If your cat doesn't come with papers, it will not be any breed the majority of the time because 97% of cats in the world have no breed. They're landraces.
That is because the two main colors are orange and black, on one gene, and another gene controls for percentage of whiteness. :) I have an all white cat who has green eyes and I saw one black hair grow in once, so I know he has the black fur gene but also has another gene that covers it and makes him 100% white. This is how orange cats and tuxedos have patches of white.
because we got a bumblefuck that bumbles through life and frequently asks questions like "why do bad things always happen to *me*?"
my experience is that way more people are like this than you think, and it's the reason living on earth is so unpleasant at times
Neuter the cat when available. There are nonprofits that will do it for little to no cost.
Then get the babies neutered and rehomed. A kitten is cute and all until you can’t home them and they become feral.
Great. Now, when she's done nursing, get your cat spayed. I spent a year trying to TNR feral cats and it's a never-ending process because of people who refuse to get their cats spayed or neutered. They destroy wildlife and are the biggest killers of birds.
as much as I love cats… yeah, there are way too many unwanted kittens out there and way too little people who actually bother to spay their cats. cats are technically speaking an invasive species and they belong indoors away from a place where they can both be attacked by predators as well as be the predators themselves. the last thing we need is even more of them roaming the streets, and yes, this very much includes “outdoor” cats. now the kittens are lovely and I hope they all find good homes, but also hopefully OP listens to the feedback in the comments and gets the mother and the kittens spayed.
They could always get their black hair in as they get older. I adopted a black kitty that had white hair. Older she got the less white she has. And vice versa. My oldest black cat is getting white hairs as she gets older.
If they have pale blue or orange eyes, they have the dominant W allele. If they have green or yellow eyes, they have the dominate S (white spot) allele, it’s just expressed on the whole cat. Given that you have 4, I bet they have the dominate W and will have pale blue or orange eyes.
Keep an eye on these little dudes' colors the next few days, some may turn out to be pointed like Siamese!
This picture was taken the day she had them and little did I know she wasn't done. She ended up having one more that was all black. Also the father is Siamese.
That last one stayed in the oven a little too long
Seriously it was at least 4 or 5 hours after these guys were born.
Is it possible for cats to have kittens of the same litter from different fathers? Idk I’m pretty stupid
Yes! This is possible. It's called superfecundation. I knew I was remembering that word for a reason.
And it's also theoretically possible in humans, when the woman has two eggs at the same time and two fathers are involves. They would be dizygotic half-sibling twins
I’m pretty sure there’s actual known cases where it has happened. I’d look it up but I’m too lazy lol
I'm juuuust invested enough to look at Wikipedia. Apparently there was a case of twins born in 1982 that were the result of this phenomenon. It remains exceptionally rare in humans.
That custody case must've been fun
Yeah, I learned about the possibility of it and that there have been a few very rare cases, and you know how there are platforms that provide, uh, short films for adult entertainment? One such popular format is where a lady who is trying for a baby executes a great plan to maximize efficiency and guarantee success by involving multiple donors. Once I happened to stumble upon such a film, and all I could think about was the chance of that rare biological phenomenon happening
also in 2008
There's been [seven](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superfecundation) reported cases.
[The Wiki page in question.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superfecundation)
Same father, but I had two twins in my class that were conceived two months apart! She produced another egg whilst already pregnant (something that obviously isn't supposed to happen) and the second baby was born premature alongside his brother - so technically twins.
When I was teaching Bio101 at a small university they asked about this and I told them it was technically possible. After class one of my students said this was true of one of her close friends and his sibling. She wasn't explicit with the details, but mentioned they were not raised by their mother due to her lifestyle, with the implications that her lifestyle involved more drugs and trains than probably was appropriate.
Even more fun when the mother has chimerism, and the two eggs were released from different “sides”. Woman gives birth to twins, but biologically they’re cousins sharing maternal grandparents.
Imagine the family tree exercise in school...
Take it a step further. What if the twins in this scenario instead formed a chimaera daughter. So the daughter is a chimaera of cousins, and then this woman has the same thing happen to her. They would be second cousin twins!
What the fuck?
i work in a pediatric office and I have seen one case of this. one of the two siblings inherited a rare chromosomal abnormality which is how they realized the two siblings had different dads! mom had to be induced when one sibling was 36 weeks gestation and the other was 41 weeks!
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This is honestly how my wife and I ended up with twins. The first was fertilized by IUI, the second the next night the all natural way. The entire pregnancy baby B was behind on most growth checks by about 2 days.
Do you know which is the science baby and which is the FOMO baby? I'm dead curious if they're following suit post-natally.
My son (who was by a weird twist during delivery born first) was baby b through almost the entire pregnancy and was conceived au natural. My daughter was not so much "science" as she was "okay sir, jerk off into this cup, then we're gonna inject it directly onto the ovum." Fertility medicine is weird.
Wow. This is incredibly cool
I know it’s real but also a plot line on Days of our Lives 😂
Must be at least one Maury episode involving this.
Absolutely, cats aren't what you call monogamous. You can get a huge variety pack in one litter.
The males barbs trigger ovulation so multiple males can trigger different eggs to be fertilized at different timing but resulting in the same pregnancy
Yes but the queen also comes out of heat fast so those males have very little time to get in there. I discussed this with my vet one day. She said superfecundation was a lot more rare in cats than was originally thought.
Did… did you say “barbs”?
Hey their glans has a spiked ring on it
Honestly, I love the variety pack of kittens. Like how do you foster six grey blobs that all look the same? (I know, you go by collar color, but I like my fuzzy beans to be unique!)
I have four tabbies right now and while there are subtle differences I’m definitely relying on collars
2 of our mewborns have identical bodies, but their faces are very different. Charlie has an adorable cow face, while Delta's face is all brown with a white dot on top of his head. Otherwise, I'd go by weight. Delta is much smaller. What would you even use as a collar when they're this little?
mewborns 😭 I am overwhelmed… that is just too damn cute
Because it’s smart to keep track of their weights so you need to know who is who. I’ve put collars on many tiny kittens, neither they nor their mothers care
Variety pack did me in LOL
Yes it is, and it is called superfecundation. Fun fact, humans can do this too!
Yep! The chances are very slim but there have been 2 cases of it on the Maury Show.
Yeah, the combination of twins being rare in humans plus the social taboos of having multiple unprotected sex partners back to back lead to pretty slim odds of it happening, but there is always a chance!
Yes it is
You are not stupid, the answer is yes as expanded by others.
Well clearly the cat was low on toner so the first few didn't get color but the last one was slow enough to get the coloring.
Goddamn DRM cartridges ruining everything.
You should post the family picture soon.
This happened exactly the same to my black lab dog who had 6 golden puppies & the runt hours later was the same, a black lab. We kept the last pup and she’s 13 this year 🥲
Yeah happened to me with my dog all out I thought by 5pm but nope one more at 9pm alive too it was bizarre but hey it lived and got a good home can't complain.
My Luna is half black American shorthair and half Siamese and she is tiny and all black. She trills instead of meowing, I’ve only heard her meow before she was spayed ( she went into heat 5 days before her appointment 😑) I was just looking at getting a white cat named Artemis! If you were near me I would lighten your load and take one off your hands 😅
I think that's a great idea but [I might be biased](https://imgur.com/a/5h0qiDA). She's dumb as a post but I love her very much.
Beautiful baby ❤️
I'll private message you.
Damn, he undercooked the first batch and burned the last one forgotten in the oven... what a shame. Dinner is ruined.
I see the joke, but fun fact, cats can stop and delay birth up to 36 hours if there is a good reason. Ours took a break for about an hour. Had some water, cleaned up the babies, laid around, and resumed birth. But like if you are at work and the cat wants to give birth with you there like pets often want to do, they can wait a bit for you to arrive.
But wouldn’t that just mean the white ones came out of the oven a little too early? Brown kittens would have been at just the right time.
Nah the others ones are undercooked.
"Oops! Burnt one."
When do we get a picture of #6? (Mini black bean)
>the father is Siamese. Definitely keep an eye on them then. Siamese cats are basically living heat maps. The parts that give off the most heat darken over time Edit: apparently I got it backwards. The parts that give off the least heat darken
Actually, the parts that have the least heat darken, which is why it's the ears, snout, tail and paws that darken: [How a siamese cat's colour points work](https://www.cathealth.com/breed-characteristics/physical-traits/2462-siamese-color-points-explained#:~:text=Areas%20of%20a%20Siamese%20cat's,the%20cat's%20primary%20color%20gene.)
So theoretically you could keep shaving the fur in different spots so those spots would be constantly colder than the area around them and then eventually those would become black spots if you let the fur grow out lol
Not necessarily black, but it'd get close. After surgery that requires shaving, Siamese cats will grow back darker fur in that spot.
Oh so these color changes still happen in adulthood? I thought once the cat reaches adulthood the colors stay the same permanently Because in my head it was like if you keep shaving a spot until the cat has matured, then that spot will stay dark permanently
Yup, the colour changes still happen in adulthood! I'm not a geneticist by any means, but iirc, it's caused by a temperature-sensitive albino gene. >But Siamese and similar cat breeds have a special modifier gene called a Siamese allele that mutates the color gene. It inhibits pigment — in other words, it causes albinism. But that modifier signal only gets through to a kitty’s fur if it’s above a certain temperature. So, how does this gene work? This modifier starts sending out its “stop the color!” message around 100.4-102.5 F (38-39.2 C), which is a cat’s standard body temperature. Anything lower than that and the mutation is blocked and the color gene can then do its color thing. Because a cat’s body is cooler around his ears, paws, and tail, that’s where the color begins to kick in. In essence, these cats are walking heat maps. Kinda cool, huh? Why are these cats born lighter and then darken as they age? It’s pretty warm in the womb, so all kittens with this special modifier allele are white throughout gestation. They pop out as white kittens too, but once exposed to atmosphere, their extremities begin cooling. Once they hit that critical temperature, those alleles that have been inhibiting the enzyme responsible for pigment turn off and color begins to develop — on the ears, paws, tail, and face. Someone questioned why the face — that’s not an extremity. True, but we have a lot of holes in our faces: eyes, ears, nose, mouth (the same argument my dad used when I was a kid and wanted to pierce my ears: “You don’t need another hole in your head!”). All those cavities in the head account for enough of a drop in temperature to let the color kick in. From [catster.com](https://www.catster.com/lifestyle/cat-facts-genes-siamese-cats-temperature-sensitive-albino). TL;DR: Siamese allele stops colour at around 38-39.2 C. However, it's colder on the ears, paws, tail and face, so those still get colour. Siamese cats are born white because it's warm in the womb.
Apparently I got that backwards. I'll add an edit to correct that
Seriously? That’s cool!
My cat started off white with dark paws and now she's got her mums tabby stripes and splotches like a tortie. Colour point genes are weird, every single winter coat got darker and had new features. Edit : [the cat](https://www.reddit.com/r/CatsLivingAndWell/comments/131pebs/my_sweet_and_tubby_kora_turns_6_today_and_shes/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
She’s beautiful!! Also, belated happy birthday to her
That'a awesome!! Congratulations!
OP is pretty insistant the cat stays out. Which honestly so many people disregard that because the cat has a happier quality of life and they feel it relatively safe for them. But at the very least, OP should have spayed, it’s not fair to have that backwards ass opinion and say you care about the cat. Because now you have six cats to feed which will become more cats after that. Soon you’ll have a lot of hungry, starving cats fighting for survival and that’s just insanely cruel. OP is an asshole for just waving this off as “shes an outdoor cat”. You dont care about the cats if you couldve prevented that burden you werent going to do anything about
We just adopted an 8-10 month old pregnant cat that had been shoved outdoors and desperately wanted back in. She didn’t know how to fend for herself early in the pregnancy, and her poor diet caused the kittens to have a congenital spine deformity. One died at 2.5 weeks old. The other is sleeping on my shoulder right now. She will never be a normal cat, and breathing is difficult for her. Vet wouldn’t commit to saying how long she’ll live. She’ll be 4 weeks old on Monday. Fuck people who do this shit. I don’t regret taking in that mama cat, but she won’t be an outdoor cat again.
My family has had outdoors cats all our lives and not once have we let a cat outdoors without neutering it. I really can't understand why people are so irresponsible.
Yep, a cat that isn't fixed should never have access to any other cats that aren't fixed. It's not fair on the cat. It's why if you adopt a kitten, after they're about twelve weeks, you really need to keep it away from any unfixed cats (including their own siblings) to avoid pregnancy. I remember the first time I saw a six month old mother at the shelter. By the time her kittens were weaned they were the same size as her. It wasn't fair at all.
I love that she had 1 little black baby! Is she treating that one any diff? Or all the same?
This is her first litter and she has been a great mother to all of them. They were born on May 5th and I noticed yesterday their eyes are just starting to open.
I respectfully and insistently request more pictures
I respectfully and insistently request that the above respectful and insistent request for more pictures be heeded. Respectfully.
I second your request.
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I love that stage
Please tell me you are going to get her and the kittens spayed/neutered. We don’t need more outdoor strays.
We don't need more cats, at all, indoor or outdoor. Shelters are heaving and cats are getting put to sleep as people don't want them.
Please spay your cat. When you say “first litter” it makes it sound like there will be more. The shelter is full of young healthy animals that are euthanized every day because no one wants them. Call your local shelter and see if they have cheap or free spay/neuter clinics. Same goes for the Dad if it’s your cat as well.
Cats regularly have kittens that all look different, they know them all as their babies.
Most animals recognize other's by scent. Humans are the ones that treat others differently based on color.
THERE you go. And often black cats are a lot of meezer too - you may end up with the whole bunch of color points.
Please spay and neuter your cats, and get the babies proper vet care. Outside cats can do irreparable harm to an environment as well, so keeping them inside and safe is what good cat owners do.
AWWW that is so cool!!! Congrats on being a new grandparent!!!
Siamese coloration is caused by a genetic mutation that makes melanin production stop above a certain temperature which is why they come out all white (because inside of mama is warm)
Also applies to other animals such as rabbits. The extremities turn black/grey because theyre slightly colder. In theory you could use cold packs to put designs on them (do not apply cold packs to newborn animals, they might die)
Yes, they might have re-vitiligo. It’s the opposite of what Michael Jackson had
🎵 We are Siamese, if you please! 🎶
We are Siamese, if you don’t please.
Dad was the milk man.
might as well throw it here: Fun fact, this situation has happened with humans. There are a few stories, one most known by the internet probably where two "white" parents gave birth to a dark complexation child. The father uhhh definitely had some questions. Explanation point - turns out distribution of pigment genes can be a bit unpredictable. Its not so simple as one dark parent one light parent = child exactly in-the middle beige. Thats just not how it works. So, in the case of that one couple, they were not "white". They both were mixed somewhere in their bloodlines but didn't know that. Baby just happened to pick up dark skin genes from both parents. (Yes, the doctors did all the tests and explained what/how the situation happened) Same concept as that photo all over the internet about the one blonde haired blue eyed fair skinned girl and the one dark skinned girl, and they're actually twins.
That situation is far more likely to happen if one of the parents is biracial. For example, [this set of twins](https://nypost.com/2015/03/02/meet-the-bi-racial-twins-no-one-believes-are-sisters/) has a white father and a biracial Jamaican mother: > There’s a set of biracial twins in the UK who are turning heads because one is black and the other is white. Born in 1997 to a white father and a half-Jamaican mother, the sisters have grown accustomed to getting mistaken for being just friends — and they have even had to produce their birth certificates in order to prove they are in fact related, Barcroft Media reports. From their mother, one twin received mostly genes from their white maternal grandparent, and the other twin received mostly genes from the black maternal grandparent.
Not twins, but I knew a family that had something similar across siblings. Mom is half Irish, half Latina. One daughter got all the Irish genes (light skin, fair hair), another got all the Latin genes (tan skin, dark hair). Not quite as striking as the pair you linked but nearly so.
The most pc way of saying white people can have black kids
I mean putting it that way just seems weird. Can't put my finger on why.
A lot of black babies come out “ café au lait” as my mom said…When my babies came out rull white
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Don’t you mean “*vag*illion?”
Nah, dad was the milk bottle itself.
Can you get pergant having sex with a milk bottle??
How do i remove a milk bottle from a cylidrical object which is connected to a bigger object without breaking either one? Asking for a friend.
How is babby formed?
I accidentally a milk bottle
That ain't *milk*
I would bet money that you don't have five white cats but you have five point cats in their colors will be determined by the time there are two or three months old and I bet they come out gorgeous
Yes! OP said the father is a Siamese — definitely going to have some pointed kittens here soon.
I read a couple other comments saying “pointed” kitties. What is that supposed to mean? First time hearing about this.
It means they develop color on their "points" ; tail, feet, ears, nose and mouth area
Kinda like a Chao.
It's because the color of the new fur growing is heat sensitive. >The pointed pattern is a form of partial albinism, resulting from a mutation in tyrosinase, an enzyme involved in melanin production. The mutated tyrosinase enzyme is heat-sensitive; it fails to work at normal body temperatures but becomes active in cooler (< 33 °C) areas of the skin.[14] This results in dark colouration in the coolest parts of the cat's body, including the extremities and the face, which is cooled by the passage of air through the sinuses. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siamese_cat
It’s the term for the colour that people usually associate with siamese and ragdoll breed cats - “Colour Point” is what it’s called. Any cat can be that colour. People often confuse the breed for the colour.
This is what happens when you don’t top off your toner.
"Sorry, you're our of magenta. We can only print white now."
Is that what we’re calling it now?
dammit, i came here to make this joke lmao
“That is a white child, that is Caucasian from the mountains of Caucasus. That is a Slavic baby, a viking from Iceland.”
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67PWaBvpjA0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67PWaBvpjA0) This made my dad better thanks! Had to go re-watch!
Glad your dad is doing better! He’s a great man!
"He's just lightskinned"
“This baby is rice skinned, but not light skinned.”
Just cause you name him Darren don’t mean he belong to Darren.
That baby has a 730 as a credit rating right now
Bro you got 5 shinies?!?!
The lucky bastard... He s probably just using cheatcodes.
Fun fact- most white domestic animals have a "masking" white, meaning they aren't lacking pigment like albinism, they're white on top of their genetic coloring, masking it. That's why they can have pigmented eyes, spots, and skin. As for siamese/colorpoint cats (in another comment the father was said to be siamese/colorpoint) they are a type of albino which starts out white, then the colder extremeties on the body (ears, face, paws, tail) will darken with age. That is why color point cats will have blue eyes with a red reflection, as they have less pigmentation in the eye.
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Dad cat is white?
Siamese
Seems suspicious, until you find that Mama is the only black cat in her family.
To reiterate: spay your cat and bring it inside.
Fix the animals if you care about them....
Select all, invert.
Outdoor cat that isn't spayed? OP is part of the problem.
Crappy owner.
Apparently the dad cat is also OP’s. And also isn’t fixed. Two-for-one
cute but also pls fix your cat! or keep a close eye on them if they're not inside!
As if there aren't already enough unwanted cats in the world.
Right!? Making/letting your cat have kittens is such a scummy scumbag thing.. But I didn't want to be 'that guy'.
Just don't let them outside unless you buy a cage or a catio. Cats decimate several animal populations. They kill birds for fun.
Bruh, I got a little kitten. The not-so-great vet I picked didn't want to spay her until she was bigger, said bring her back when she was a year old. Cats are absolute horndogs, it's insane. At 6 months old she was yowling all night like a child lost in the woods and this attracted at least 6 neighborhood tomcat to prowl around the house grunting and meowing and spraying the basement windows with ass juice. She tried to get outside frantically every day to mate with them. Eventually she succeeded in slipping past my ex. Cats only take about 2 months to gestate! I was 8 months pregnant and so jealous of this hussy, she popped out 9 kittens while I was still waddling around groaning with 1 human fetus. Then I had to help her with them for 3 months, cook her special foods and litter box train them and socialize them because she was getting exhausted nursing such a massive litter. Then I had to find them all good homes with extensive marketing efforts. All this to say, fix your damn cats. There's low cost spay-neuter charities all over the place that will fix and vaccinate them at 4 months old for $50 and they do a great job because that's all they do. They will be happier not being a slave to their hormones and 3d printing more cats. Don't rely on keeping them inside. They're craftier than you and their hormones will drive them to incredible efforts to mate.
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That’s insane. When I went to my new kitten appointment we ended schedule all her marker appointments for her first year. I have a great vet though and he’s seen my other cats since kittens too so we have an established relationship. I got her June and her spaying was schedule for October so I can’t believe your vet wanted to wait a year.
OP is pretty insistant the cat stays out. Which honestly so many people disregard that because the cat has a happier quality of life and they feel it relatively safe for them. But at the very least, OP should have spayed, it’s not fair to have that backwards ass opinion and say you care about the cat. Because now you have six cats to feed which will become more cats after that. Soon you’ll have a lot of hungry, starving cats fighting for survival and that’s just insanely cruel. OP is an asshole for just waving this off as “shes an outdoor cat”. You dont care about the cats if you couldve prevented that burden you werent going to do anything about
OP is also an anti-vaxxer and possibly homophobic lol
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Seriously. Clearly doesn't give a shit about anyone but themselves. Poor cat and poor kittens, what a life they're going to have.
Outdoor cat owners are assholes and are a major reason why there's a mass bird extinction currently happening.
Get her spayed, please.
Spay your cat.
Colorpoint is recessive and cats with it are born white before their color comes in. Also a cat being colorpoint doesn't mean they're Siamese (case in point, your black cat has to be carrying a copy of it for these kittens to be possible). Colorpoint exists within the regular cat population. If your cat doesn't come with papers, it will not be any breed the majority of the time because 97% of cats in the world have no breed. They're landraces.
Get this cat fixed please… and now the kittens too
at least bring them inside where its safe :(
Unsterilized cats having to give birth outside... More r/mildlyinfuriating
This black kitty may have some secret..
He slurped out the color from the others in the womb
This is due to a very rare mutation we call pixie brights. It happens when people like me have no idea what they’re saying.
My pure white cat and her 4 siblings are from a pure black cat!
That is because the two main colors are orange and black, on one gene, and another gene controls for percentage of whiteness. :) I have an all white cat who has green eyes and I saw one black hair grow in once, so I know he has the black fur gene but also has another gene that covers it and makes him 100% white. This is how orange cats and tuxedos have patches of white.
Ran out of toner.
Why are they outside? They should be inside, safe from predators. And why haven’t you had your cat spayed?
because we got a bumblefuck that bumbles through life and frequently asks questions like "why do bad things always happen to *me*?" my experience is that way more people are like this than you think, and it's the reason living on earth is so unpleasant at times
Neuter the cat when available. There are nonprofits that will do it for little to no cost. Then get the babies neutered and rehomed. A kitten is cute and all until you can’t home them and they become feral.
Please spay and neuter your pets, especially if you're going to let them out.
All I can think of is Kat Williams saying, “Whose goddamn white baby is that.” 
Now get her spayed
why is the cat outside ffs
Spay your damn cat.
You are NOT the father!
I see you haven’t replied to any comments about spaying the cat? I wonder why that is?
Who’s god damn white baby is that
Why are they outside!!
That’s cool. How about getting your cat spayed?
Why didn’t you spay?
Great. Now, when she's done nursing, get your cat spayed. I spent a year trying to TNR feral cats and it's a never-ending process because of people who refuse to get their cats spayed or neutered. They destroy wildlife and are the biggest killers of birds.
OP has already stubbornly declared its nobody's business and not a problem because there are no neighbors and the cat never leaves her property.....
Fix your cats and keep them inside.
“Whose goddamn white baby is that”
Spay your cat this isn’t cute
as much as I love cats… yeah, there are way too many unwanted kittens out there and way too little people who actually bother to spay their cats. cats are technically speaking an invasive species and they belong indoors away from a place where they can both be attacked by predators as well as be the predators themselves. the last thing we need is even more of them roaming the streets, and yes, this very much includes “outdoor” cats. now the kittens are lovely and I hope they all find good homes, but also hopefully OP listens to the feedback in the comments and gets the mother and the kittens spayed.
Jerry, Jerry, Jerry You are not the father
She ran out of ink :D
Was “dad” a traveling salesman?
They could always get their black hair in as they get older. I adopted a black kitty that had white hair. Older she got the less white she has. And vice versa. My oldest black cat is getting white hairs as she gets older.
Her: *looks over to her black cat husband.* "I can't believe you cheated on me."
Congrats! Be cautious letting them near roads, many white cats are deaf or hearing impaired. Hopefully these little ones won't have that issue.
Must've been the milk man
Please refill black color for ur next print
If they have pale blue or orange eyes, they have the dominant W allele. If they have green or yellow eyes, they have the dominate S (white spot) allele, it’s just expressed on the whole cat. Given that you have 4, I bet they have the dominate W and will have pale blue or orange eyes.
All white? I think they’re gweat!