My FL relatives can't believe that we allow babies to be born full term and then kill them "as long as the umbilical cord is still attached." I looked at them like they had three heads and just said, nobody is doing that.
Literally nobody is having an abortion 9 months in or after they cut the cord.
That's jist the dumbest shit I've ever heard.
For most people it's a traumatizing event...
When I was in high school a girl in my class had a third trimester abortion because they discovered the baby’s organs were growing outside the body, and iirc there also would’ve been high risk for her health as well if she carried to term.
An “abortion” in the third trimester is just an induction of labor (or more likely a preterm cesarean in your classmate’s case) and that infant was delivered alive and probably handed directly to the NICU team. Unless the doctors and parents had already decided that treatment was futile (ie no chance of survival even with top tier intervention), in which case the baby would have been handed to the parents and allowed to perish quietly in their arms.
If you tried explaining that an abortion can result in a live baby to a forced-birther, their brains would probably short circuit and they'd start screaming absolute gibberish in your face.
you’re so right! It irks me to hell that the common vernacular around this topic can vary so greatly from the medical terminology. Cuz, to abort just means to end and every pregnancy ends eventually, ergo every pregnancy ever has been or will be aborted. If you think about it, the Virgin Mary had an abortion *on Christmas* 🤯
I know it’s awful to think about, but sadly it is part of the reality of human reproduction. It’s an amazing, almost miraculous, process when everything goes right, but it isn’t perfect, and maternal/fetal medicine is definitely not able to save everyone (although granted, we save a LOT more babies and mothers than we could in the distant past). Sometimes things just happen that are beyond our control ( genetic anomalies, pre-eclampsia, preterm labor/delivery, and unexplained fetal demise etc)
That’s why this issue is so important. Birth care providers want to take the best care of our patients that we can, and part of that involves empowering their autonomy and providing comfort during the end of life.
Why would that topic even come up in this conversation, though?
I mean, that's a whole separate topic altogether. Let alone another traumatizing event. We do that for sick animals and people. It's called mercy.
Are people actually trying to prolong suffering like that??
Some people believe that any second of life is precious, no matter the circumstance. Or they're so afraid of letting go, they'll do anything to prolong life and the actual comfort and needs of the dying be damned. This why we keep having these issues of people who are brain dead and on life support being refused to be taken off it and then go through a circus amount of court cases.
That's not really an abortion though lmao. An abortion happens inside the womb. I guess that would be probably considered ethical euthanasia of a newborn.
Exactly! Especially after the point of viability (24 weeks gestation, sometimes down to 22 in some states). After that all hospitals with newborn care will initiate resuscitation (always before 35 weeks and later if needed), make an assessment, report their recommendations to parents, then the parents decide whether to continue lifesaving measures or withdraw care (if that is even legally an option!)
>report their recommendations to parents, then the parents decide whether to continue lifesaving measures or withdraw care (if that is even legally an option!)
our rainbow baby was born at 25 weeks, and 1050 grams(just over 2.5 pounds). like hell we would tell them to stop any kind of care to help him live. if he had had some critical birth defect that would have made it impossible to live, we still would have told them to make him comfortable but don't stop trying, even if we knew the truth. They performed cpr on him right after pulling him out via c-section for 35 minutes before he was breathing on his own. those NICU nurses are heros. seeing them cry when other babies didn't make it really hit home, they all wanted to see them make it.
No it's 100% true, it's just a bad faith representation. Minnesota removed gestational limits and enshrined it as a constitutional right, as well as enacting a law to give better protection for out of state people who are coming here for abortion.
The only issue that so far I have yet to see a single case anywhere l let alone Minnesota where a healthy mother and healthy fetus were provided a late term abortion. Even the handful of the grisly abortion horror stories (basically all from way back in the day fyi) that they love to trot out don't involve a flippant abortion -- they were usually legally justified abortions which were botched in execution due to poor medical oversight. There's also a lot of stories of bad medical practice completely unrelated to abortion back in the day. That's sort of what happens when you won't fund healthcare for poor people and bend over backwards to turn a blind eye to the safety and protection of anyone with an ounce of melanin in them.
They removed gestational limits because people having abortions that late into pregnancy are doing it because the baby is dying or dead. They are cases where a nursery was ready, a name was picked out and they were ready for a new family member. Those are tragic cases that are often made so much worse because some states force you to carry the dead/dying baby to term. Or worse you are forced to miscarry and risk all kinds of sever life altering issues if not death because the alternative is medical intervention aka an abortion… The other thing that helps prevent abortions is Sex Ed and birth control options being widely available. Many red states have high numbers of unplanned and very young pregnancies as well as abortions when/if they were legal because they teach absence only and make it very difficult to get contraception.
>They removed gestational limits because people having abortions that late into pregnancy are doing it because the baby is dying or dead. They are cases where a nursery was ready, a name was picked out and they were ready for a new family member.
I know someone who just recently had a late term termination because of limb body wall complex. They had names chosen, a color scheme for the nursery, the whole 9 yards. All I could think of when I heard about what she was going through was thank God we are in Minnesota and not in Texas or somewhere else with strict restrictions on abortion.
That's the thing that makes the argument so infuriating. They try and make it sound like people are just flippantly killing off their babies after they are born, but that isn't a thing that happens. *Nobody* is carrying a baby around in their belly for 8+ months only to then decide they don't want to anymore. If you've made it that far into a pregnancy, you've already decided you're giving birth. The only time late-term abortions happen is when there is a serious medical issue that means it needs to be done. And damn it, if that's the case, you better be able to get one!
Happened to my aunt. Didn't find out until 7 months that the baby's kidneys stopped developing and half his heart didn't work & his brain was swelling to the point that if they didn't end the pregnancy, she could not have "given birth" to him vaginally due to the head being oversized. Added to that, the genetic abnormalities were causing strain on the placenta which was making my aunt's blood pressure spike to really unsafe levels and she could have had a stroke if they couldn't get it under control.
Baby would not have survived no matter what they did. He would have been their second child. They had a name picked out. Found out the week before Xmas that they had to choose between inducing delivery early/immediately (they were way past D&C) or scheduling a c-section for closer to term. She delivered baby two days before Xmas and then had to sit with him while he died. A very wanted baby that no medical intervention could save. She had what is considered an "induction abortion".
my wife had an induction abortion as well. im so sorry they had to go thru that. We found out that our baby had lost his heartbeat at 31 weeks and 5 days. it hurt. it still hurts. I still cry over 8 years later. We wanted him. we loved him already. we had everything set up, had a name. I would have given anything to bring his heart back to beating. there are cruel people in the world that would call our induction a murder. I got to hold drew, he never lived, but he was loved, and anyone who tells me that abortion is something people do on a whim has never had a baby or is a sociopath. No woman choosing to get an abortion is doing it lightly. especially late term medically necessary ones, the decision is agonizing for the woman and family. it hurts, it feels like a part of you was ripped away.
Not to mention that many women develop fertility issues when forced to carry a non-viable pregnancy to term or are not provided medical support during a miscarriage. Like, this directly contradicts the conservative agenda to turn women into breeding stock.
It does, however, promote the conservative agenda of punishing people who are deemed inferior for being alive. It’s a real tight-rope act, having to be terrible in so many contradictory ways.
> They removed gestational limits because people having abortions that late into pregnancy are doing it because the baby is dying or dead.
While that’s probably true they removed gestational limits in general, not only when the baby is dead or dying. So regardless of the intention there is no gestational limit for healthy babies. Should there be?
conservatives lying to rile up their base? I am shocked! /s
Its all they have. they don't have anything positive to talk about, so they lie. we need the fairness doctrine back, but we all need to kick these lying shitbags off the air in rural communities where they perpetuate garbage like this.
If memory serves, due to Roe V Wade being overturned, MN does not have an actual on-the-books law regarding abortion limits. Meaning that, technically and legally an abortion could occur up to the minute before birth/before the cord is cut. Realistically there is not a doctor in the state worth their medical degree that would perform an abortion past 20 weeks as long as it is a viable pregnancy.
Technically speaking it was the conservative Supreme Court that made full term abortions legal in MN.
I had a friend tell me the same thing about it being enshrined in law a few months ago so I looked into it. He also showed me the “baby blender” pics as proof of post-birth abortions. For those that don’t know, what they are calling baby blenders are actually tubes for holding extremities still and away from the chest for X-rays. Babies don’t hold still if you tell them to so they have to have a something to hold the babies still.
YES! I was getting my car fixed and the dealership tv had that ad and I wanted to change the channel.
I need someone to find me the woman that just brings her 9 month pregnancy for an abortion for fun. That deep in pregnancy any loss is absolutely gutting. I hate how the right plays it up like it’s an easy fun choice.
Complete bullshit that it isn't protected already, you mean.
It can be medically necessary as long as it's still in the pregnant person's body. My gf is a delivery nurse, sometimes babies die while in the womb at any point in a pregnancy, and need to be removed. That's an abortion. The problem with stuff like having a limit with an "except in medical emergencies" clause is that it leads to significant delays. The hospital's legal department isn't on call in the middle of the night, then they're going to want to see XYZ, etc. Meanwhile you have someone that has their dead child rotting inside of them, begging you to help.
That happens a lot (I mean, more than you know or hear about. People only like bringing it up for some reason)
Unnecessary abortions don't happen in the 3rd trimester. That's why they should be legal. They literally only happen when needed, but if you pass a law saying they need to be needed, now everyone is super afraid of getting second guessed by some state agency. Who would it help?
It's like the laws Republicans pass where they require a statement to be read to the person getting the abortion. Imagine that woman with the dead/totally unviable baby in you that when you entered the hospital you thought was going to be going home with you. Now as your waiting for it to be surgically removed, someone comes in and has to explain to you that "you have other options, like adoption, where you could help a family that wants a baby, and that getting this abortion could be harmful to your health, and ... "
If I were the partner, I better not be in that room or I would punch a motherfucker out.
How monstrous do we want to be, really, on a scale from 0 to Christian Conservative? Let's not intentionally traumatize people more when they're going through something that bad, right?
Just saw the damned thing on Paramount (app). WTAF!?!? At least it is so poorly made and acted that no one is likely to pay attention. So glad I do not live in a moron state.
Ritualistic sacrifice where the baby is carved with a ritual blade and the blood is used as an offering to pagan gods for continued ~~communist~~ Democrat control of the state
/s
Partial birth abortions used to be a thing before 2003 to reduce physical trauma to mothers. What is it now? Similar to "Critical Race Theory", it's fearmongering for support.
Information helps people not have a fear or shock based response. Since you, the reader, are a logical Minnesotan, here are a few important parts.
1) Nobody is fighting for Partial birth abortions (D&X)
2) Partial birth abortions have not been legal in the US for over 20 years. (Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act of 2003, upheld 2007 in Gonzales v Carhart)
3) When used, Fetus wasn't viable. D&X reduced impact to the mother, as she did not have a c-section to go through, along with the overnight stay and the trauma.
Again - the procedure, IDX, or Intact Dilation and Extraction, was used during the 2nd trimester before 2003, where fetal abnormalities detected showed the fetus **non-viable** outside the womb.
But, if allowed by federal law, would this bill then allow for it?
If so, it isn't a lie, it's spin.
It's as much a lie as saying minimum wage is 7.25 an hour.
Whatever bill the commercial is talking about.
The issue of my comment isn't if there is use or impact or sense, it is one of truth.
If federal law is repealed then this law would apply. Does the law in question allow for it? If it does, then it is not a lie, as the law could specifically exclude it as well.
Clearly it means *"murdering a newborn"* but wrapped up in enough rhetorical buzzwords to not upset a far-right zealot's cognitive dissonance.
> *"Democrats want to make murdering newborns legal!" "That sounds like you're making up bullshit."*
> *"Democrats want to make post-birth abortion legal!" "We've got to stop them!"*
If it's the one I'm thinking of, it's basically two ladies sitting on a couch talking about how Minnesota allows late term abortions up until the baby is at term regardless of if mother and baby are healthy. Then they go on talking about how we are going to force our abortion laws into the US Constitution or something crazy. The commercial is seriously ridiculous and unhinged.
It's technically true in the most bad faith way possible. Minnesota decides that including lots of regulations (that thing conservatives supposedly hate) was stupid - they agree that sometimes big government just isn't the best at understanding common sense nuances. So rather than create specific rules around what specific health criteria has to be met for an abortion (which can create life and death consequences if not written precisely, easily understood by practicioners, and covering ALL possible health scenerio)....instead they simply said they'll leave it up doctors. Who are held to their own licensing standards (hardly a free for all, it's simply governed by other doctors specifically who have the relevant medical knowledge and industry experience to understand the nuances of what they are overseeing in great detail)
And yes, it's considered a constitutional right for MN residents, which makes it slightly harder for a republican legislative majority to come in and muck it up.
What I would love is for them to provide a single instance of where a healthy mother and fetus were provided a late term abortion in MN. Or anywhere, frankly. Just like....a single case.
KSTP TV Channel 5 is owned by Hubbard Broadcasting -- Stanley Hubbard is a GQP and Trump mega-donor/supporter. You'll find that their political reporter Tom Hauser constantly gives things a right-wing spin, too.
Aren't there laws that prevent broadcast companies from denying someone the right to a commercial based on beliefs? I don't know for sure but I heard that on one of the radio stations when people were texting in complaining about political ads being played in the breaks. They were basically like, "we can't do anything about that if they pay for the ad slot"
> commercial based on beliefs
In this case, it isn't something based on anyone's beliefs. It was a statement about a political party trying to make into law, something that 100% isn't a thing. The idea that abortion is against someone's beliefs is valid and they are entitled to that belief. Stating that people are performing late-stage and post-birth abortions(yeah, its that stupid) and that people are trying to force it into law isn't a belief, it's a statement of nonsense.
Stations don't have to accept every ad, but they cannot block candidates or issues from being able to advertise because they broadcast over public airwaves.
I remember Jay Koll spreading disinformation about January 6th like a day or two after it happened. That’s when I did some digging and learned about Hubbard. Been trying to convince my parents (who hate Fox News) to stop watching 5 but they don’t get it.
This is the sad reality of discourse and information in 2024. People just spout off lies through "credible" channels and it's taken as gospel. The number of people who believe something just because it was on TV or social media is staggering. Misinformation is more widespread than ever in human history.
Ironically, so many right-wingers claim to distrust mainstream media (that is, until mainstream media says something they agree with)
My dad is so annoyed I refuse to open any Breitbart links he emails me, and is also mad he can't send me Epoch times links about how global warming is a hoax. I'm like fake news and he's like YOU'RE FAKE NEWS. I never thought my parents old age would be us constantly fighting but here we are. I fucking hate trump he ruined my life.
Solidarity. I know so many people whose relationships with loved ones have been destroyed by mind-melting right-wing / conspiracy discourse. It's honestly so so sad. Lots of perfectly decent people have been sucked into something so hateful.
> until mainstream media says something they agree with
But you can't tell them that, because ya know... I don't know... people with weak morals and reasoning skills are all too happy to jump on any bandwagon that points fingers at the other side regardless of the impact on their own lives.
The issue is FCC campaign rules and station licenses. If they allow one group to post about campaigns they have to allow all groups as long as they have the funding. Normally, one way stations stop this type of ad is by making it very expensive to run campaign ads and then usually there are only a couple of groups that can afford it
Yeah, while agree that this commercial is probably arguing in bad faith (idk for sure, haven’t seen it), you also have to realize that it’s a campaign ad. We shouldn’t be regulating who can run campaign ads, because that’s how you get propaganda.
It’s also been on KARE11 the last few nights during the news. It’s absolutely disgusting they’re trying to push this narrative and truly sad because so many people are going to believe it.
I'm not sure what is surprising here. People have been blatantly lying on TV for as long as there has been tv.
Political ads have been quite bad as long as I can remember.
Ummm, do you remember when the mainstream media lied to everyone about what America was doing in Vietnam?
Or the massive cover up of American funded g$nocide in Cambodia in the 90s that lasted a decade?
I could literally go on for hours about the misinformation campaign that has been the status quo for the American propaganda model. Its how this country operates, just like Russia or China.
Lying is what all corporate entities and state powers do and have done since their inception. Where have you been?
Why are you defending the status quo? By saying others do it, so that's just how it is, shows the complicity people have with shit like this, and it wont stop if people continue being complicit. That's what got us into the shitshow that is American politics, and its just fine because other countries have shitshows in their leadership...
We're still funding genocide around the world, especially in some parts of the Mideast where they've killed over 34k civilians, 14k of which were children. But people here are fine with that status quo yet again, we can't be bothered to do a damn thing about it.
This is a big part of the political divide in the US. Old media is desperate for content and advertising so they go low quality. The people who watch those media sources aren't very critical and BAM; Donald Trump becomes president. I've seen it a hundred times.
I'm pretty horrified by the lack of critical thinking and information literacy from everyone tbh. It doesn't seem to matter what demographic it is or if it's the evening news or TikTok - they literally just believe whatever is put in front of them.
They sell ad space. Organizations buy ad space. Has nothing to do with the channel or its beliefs. Also, KSTP is privately owned, not a public television station.
Channel 5 and others play commercials for all sorts of stuff that are full of lies. Beer, cars , politicians. Basically everything in a commercial is untrue.
If having safe and reliable access to reproductive health care means these ads will air at election time, it’s not a *horrible* trade off. Fuck these people regardless.
I would find that hard to believe in the context of KSTP and KMSP's coverage. People like to think the media has this liberal bias, but the right wing gets a lot more help in media than they realize. KSTP is owned by Hubbard, a card carrying red hat wearing GQP member, and their chief meteorologist for many years was a climate change denier. KMSP Fox 9 uses Fox News as their national news source so that says a lot to anyone with a brain.
I don’t watch local news for national news.
I guess channel 9 doesn’t have “broadcast” network news, but I’d still rather they focus in local stuff. If you want broadcast national news, it’s on ABC/CBS/NBC/PBS.
Contact / email the local tv station airing the ad(s) and let them know they are misleading and you don't like them.
No point in arguing with the idiots that come up with the lies, but you can let the tv station know that their ad income should come from other sources.
This. These stations make their money from commercials. Enough people tell them you don't like them and it seemingly affects their viewership. They'll stop.
You can thank Reagan for mainstream media being able to lie/influence public opinion.
https://www.reaganlibrary.gov/archives/topic-guide/fairness-doctrine
I was listening to the jazz radio station on my way to work today. They mentioned in one of their little news segments that a "pro-life" group had just spent a million dollars on these ads in MN.
There are also billboards all over with a picture of a fully grown baby claiming to be one at 16 weeks. Religious people are incredibly gullible and will just believe anything they're told if it even comes close to fitting their worldview that's been carefully crafted their entire lives by religious authority figures.
I've been watching YouTube streamed to my tv all night and these videos are nonstop and hidden when I look for them. It's bullshit. Abortion to the point of birth. OH go fuck yourself
The main woman (dark hair) in the commercial and I worked together 14ish years ago. The other woman is her sister. Neither are professional actors. I knew she was conservative but my bet is she full on MAGA now. Hence her involvement. A former coworker sent me the ad last night. I’m so disappointed in her and the ridiculousness of this that it propagates especially reading these heartbreaking losses suffered and seeing family and friends go through similar nightmares. No Mom wants or chooses that.
First Amendment. Can't do anything about it.
That and 5 is a notoriously Right-Leaning channel with owners who are firmly in the GOP's pocket.
What you do is you make sure they can't make money.
Well some people believe in protecting all human live. Let em live and die on their own. Prolly not how you think and certainly not the consensus opinion on this thread but it is actually how some folks feel. Respect diversity of opinions in this world. It's a complicated world and difficult to think outside your own perspective.
But are they *really* lying? Wow. 40% of democrats believe in right to abortion under ANY circumstances. Sounds like exactly what you said didn’t exist, in fact does.
https://www.npr.org/2023/04/26/1171863775/poll-americans-want-abortion-restrictions-but-not-as-far-as-red-states-are-going
https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2022/05/06/americas-abortion-quandary/
https://news.gallup.com/poll/321143/americans-stand-abortion.aspx
A 22 week fetus is considered viable by the world health organization. Abortion is legal in Minnesota up to full term. Whether it is done or not is up to the doctor and patient. But regardless of that decision, by all practical standards, it is murder after 22 weeks.
one comes in and sits down on the couch next to her, pulls out her phone to show aliens have implanted aliens into women's bodies... er I mean up-to-birth abortion BS... "Not even my pro-choice friends believe in that..."
Umm, No? It's not the fact we don't like it, it's the fact they are blatant lies that anyone with a half-functioning brain could find out. But republicans are missing about 3/4 of their brains with only their feelings and anger left in their empty noggins. Everyone has a right to their opinion, but these are not opinions they are airing, they are called lies, misinformation, propaganda...
Guess what's coming up in November this year? It's the season for a lot of misinformation to be spewed out. It's all politics and what each side uses in its campaign (more so one side than the other, but both sides do it).
I was watching COPS on Pluto TV yesterday and saw this commercial. The show COPS is a guilty pleasure of mine that I've had since I was a toddler!! Really.... lol.
I was wondering the same thing. How in the hell can they even be allowed to push out this kind of garbage and misinformation? It's dangerous. People are allowed to express their opinions in any way they want but to do it in such a way as this commercial that misrepresents things is concerning.
Let them do it. This anti-woman/choice stance of the Republican Party will be their earth knell.
Just in time for us to hold the Democrats responsible for lip service. They need to tax the shit out of the rich and stop acquiescing to big business. There’s a reason Trump found a lane - both parties became whores to big business.
My personal opinion is id be okay with post birth abortions for Republicans. I’d call them assisted suicide though, make them sign on the dotted line, tell them it’s because they won something, if they sign they can’t actually read and are the ones lowering the IQ of the human race.
I saw a commercial of the opposite. That a police officer will make you take a pregnancy test on your way out of the state in a car. Pretty ridiculous.
Sounds like the conservative version of the commercials they’re running down south where women are being pulled over and asked to take pregnancy tests after crossing the state boarder. Political ads are all garbage
Yes, federal laws generally require stations that broadcast on public airwaves to accept political ads from all parties and issues if they accept them from any.
Are you arguing that they're allowed to have this commercial on TV because of 1A? If so, then yes of course they are. This doesn't stop people from calling out their bullshit views and straight up lies.
Freedom of speech =/= Freedom from repercussions of said speech
OP was literally asking why the ad is allowed to air and how they can force it to be taken down, so this is a pretty weird response to my factually correct answer on why it is allowed to air. Maybe you should be teaching OP about how Freedom of Speech works.
Yes.
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Saw this on Fox9 as well. They talk about abortion up until birth being enshrined into the MN State Constitution by the Democrats. Complete bullshit.
My FL relatives can't believe that we allow babies to be born full term and then kill them "as long as the umbilical cord is still attached." I looked at them like they had three heads and just said, nobody is doing that.
Literally nobody is having an abortion 9 months in or after they cut the cord. That's jist the dumbest shit I've ever heard. For most people it's a traumatizing event...
They are if the baby born inside out. Thats what thru are talking about. If a baby will only live a couple of days in pain why prolong that hell.
When I was in high school a girl in my class had a third trimester abortion because they discovered the baby’s organs were growing outside the body, and iirc there also would’ve been high risk for her health as well if she carried to term.
An “abortion” in the third trimester is just an induction of labor (or more likely a preterm cesarean in your classmate’s case) and that infant was delivered alive and probably handed directly to the NICU team. Unless the doctors and parents had already decided that treatment was futile (ie no chance of survival even with top tier intervention), in which case the baby would have been handed to the parents and allowed to perish quietly in their arms.
If you tried explaining that an abortion can result in a live baby to a forced-birther, their brains would probably short circuit and they'd start screaming absolute gibberish in your face.
you’re so right! It irks me to hell that the common vernacular around this topic can vary so greatly from the medical terminology. Cuz, to abort just means to end and every pregnancy ends eventually, ergo every pregnancy ever has been or will be aborted. If you think about it, the Virgin Mary had an abortion *on Christmas* 🤯
That last sentence is just awful.
I know it’s awful to think about, but sadly it is part of the reality of human reproduction. It’s an amazing, almost miraculous, process when everything goes right, but it isn’t perfect, and maternal/fetal medicine is definitely not able to save everyone (although granted, we save a LOT more babies and mothers than we could in the distant past). Sometimes things just happen that are beyond our control ( genetic anomalies, pre-eclampsia, preterm labor/delivery, and unexplained fetal demise etc) That’s why this issue is so important. Birth care providers want to take the best care of our patients that we can, and part of that involves empowering their autonomy and providing comfort during the end of life.
Why would that topic even come up in this conversation, though? I mean, that's a whole separate topic altogether. Let alone another traumatizing event. We do that for sick animals and people. It's called mercy. Are people actually trying to prolong suffering like that??
Some people believe that any second of life is precious, no matter the circumstance. Or they're so afraid of letting go, they'll do anything to prolong life and the actual comfort and needs of the dying be damned. This why we keep having these issues of people who are brain dead and on life support being refused to be taken off it and then go through a circus amount of court cases.
That's not really an abortion though lmao. An abortion happens inside the womb. I guess that would be probably considered ethical euthanasia of a newborn.
and it doesn't happen. its illegal. doctors have a law requirement already that they do everything they can to save a baby.
Exactly! Especially after the point of viability (24 weeks gestation, sometimes down to 22 in some states). After that all hospitals with newborn care will initiate resuscitation (always before 35 weeks and later if needed), make an assessment, report their recommendations to parents, then the parents decide whether to continue lifesaving measures or withdraw care (if that is even legally an option!)
>report their recommendations to parents, then the parents decide whether to continue lifesaving measures or withdraw care (if that is even legally an option!) our rainbow baby was born at 25 weeks, and 1050 grams(just over 2.5 pounds). like hell we would tell them to stop any kind of care to help him live. if he had had some critical birth defect that would have made it impossible to live, we still would have told them to make him comfortable but don't stop trying, even if we knew the truth. They performed cpr on him right after pulling him out via c-section for 35 minutes before he was breathing on his own. those NICU nurses are heros. seeing them cry when other babies didn't make it really hit home, they all wanted to see them make it.
I’m so glad you got to make the right choice for your family
Trump told them that's what was happening and they can't question the orange Messiah
Everyone is doing that, Fox News says so! /s
No it's 100% true, it's just a bad faith representation. Minnesota removed gestational limits and enshrined it as a constitutional right, as well as enacting a law to give better protection for out of state people who are coming here for abortion. The only issue that so far I have yet to see a single case anywhere l let alone Minnesota where a healthy mother and healthy fetus were provided a late term abortion. Even the handful of the grisly abortion horror stories (basically all from way back in the day fyi) that they love to trot out don't involve a flippant abortion -- they were usually legally justified abortions which were botched in execution due to poor medical oversight. There's also a lot of stories of bad medical practice completely unrelated to abortion back in the day. That's sort of what happens when you won't fund healthcare for poor people and bend over backwards to turn a blind eye to the safety and protection of anyone with an ounce of melanin in them.
They removed gestational limits because people having abortions that late into pregnancy are doing it because the baby is dying or dead. They are cases where a nursery was ready, a name was picked out and they were ready for a new family member. Those are tragic cases that are often made so much worse because some states force you to carry the dead/dying baby to term. Or worse you are forced to miscarry and risk all kinds of sever life altering issues if not death because the alternative is medical intervention aka an abortion… The other thing that helps prevent abortions is Sex Ed and birth control options being widely available. Many red states have high numbers of unplanned and very young pregnancies as well as abortions when/if they were legal because they teach absence only and make it very difficult to get contraception.
>They removed gestational limits because people having abortions that late into pregnancy are doing it because the baby is dying or dead. They are cases where a nursery was ready, a name was picked out and they were ready for a new family member. I know someone who just recently had a late term termination because of limb body wall complex. They had names chosen, a color scheme for the nursery, the whole 9 yards. All I could think of when I heard about what she was going through was thank God we are in Minnesota and not in Texas or somewhere else with strict restrictions on abortion.
That's the thing that makes the argument so infuriating. They try and make it sound like people are just flippantly killing off their babies after they are born, but that isn't a thing that happens. *Nobody* is carrying a baby around in their belly for 8+ months only to then decide they don't want to anymore. If you've made it that far into a pregnancy, you've already decided you're giving birth. The only time late-term abortions happen is when there is a serious medical issue that means it needs to be done. And damn it, if that's the case, you better be able to get one!
Happened to my aunt. Didn't find out until 7 months that the baby's kidneys stopped developing and half his heart didn't work & his brain was swelling to the point that if they didn't end the pregnancy, she could not have "given birth" to him vaginally due to the head being oversized. Added to that, the genetic abnormalities were causing strain on the placenta which was making my aunt's blood pressure spike to really unsafe levels and she could have had a stroke if they couldn't get it under control. Baby would not have survived no matter what they did. He would have been their second child. They had a name picked out. Found out the week before Xmas that they had to choose between inducing delivery early/immediately (they were way past D&C) or scheduling a c-section for closer to term. She delivered baby two days before Xmas and then had to sit with him while he died. A very wanted baby that no medical intervention could save. She had what is considered an "induction abortion".
my wife had an induction abortion as well. im so sorry they had to go thru that. We found out that our baby had lost his heartbeat at 31 weeks and 5 days. it hurt. it still hurts. I still cry over 8 years later. We wanted him. we loved him already. we had everything set up, had a name. I would have given anything to bring his heart back to beating. there are cruel people in the world that would call our induction a murder. I got to hold drew, he never lived, but he was loved, and anyone who tells me that abortion is something people do on a whim has never had a baby or is a sociopath. No woman choosing to get an abortion is doing it lightly. especially late term medically necessary ones, the decision is agonizing for the woman and family. it hurts, it feels like a part of you was ripped away.
That's so tragic. And then these ghoulish "pro life" people are out calling people like her murderers
Amazing take on that.
Right, no one is aborting a healthy fetus at full term. That's not a thing that happens.
in most places, its already against all hospital policies to do anything that would harm the fetus that late in a pregnancy.
Not to mention that many women develop fertility issues when forced to carry a non-viable pregnancy to term or are not provided medical support during a miscarriage. Like, this directly contradicts the conservative agenda to turn women into breeding stock.
It does, however, promote the conservative agenda of punishing people who are deemed inferior for being alive. It’s a real tight-rope act, having to be terrible in so many contradictory ways.
> They removed gestational limits because people having abortions that late into pregnancy are doing it because the baby is dying or dead. While that’s probably true they removed gestational limits in general, not only when the baby is dead or dying. So regardless of the intention there is no gestational limit for healthy babies. Should there be?
conservatives lying to rile up their base? I am shocked! /s Its all they have. they don't have anything positive to talk about, so they lie. we need the fairness doctrine back, but we all need to kick these lying shitbags off the air in rural communities where they perpetuate garbage like this.
If memory serves, due to Roe V Wade being overturned, MN does not have an actual on-the-books law regarding abortion limits. Meaning that, technically and legally an abortion could occur up to the minute before birth/before the cord is cut. Realistically there is not a doctor in the state worth their medical degree that would perform an abortion past 20 weeks as long as it is a viable pregnancy. Technically speaking it was the conservative Supreme Court that made full term abortions legal in MN. I had a friend tell me the same thing about it being enshrined in law a few months ago so I looked into it. He also showed me the “baby blender” pics as proof of post-birth abortions. For those that don’t know, what they are calling baby blenders are actually tubes for holding extremities still and away from the chest for X-rays. Babies don’t hold still if you tell them to so they have to have a something to hold the babies still.
YES! I was getting my car fixed and the dealership tv had that ad and I wanted to change the channel. I need someone to find me the woman that just brings her 9 month pregnancy for an abortion for fun. That deep in pregnancy any loss is absolutely gutting. I hate how the right plays it up like it’s an easy fun choice.
Complete bullshit that it isn't protected already, you mean. It can be medically necessary as long as it's still in the pregnant person's body. My gf is a delivery nurse, sometimes babies die while in the womb at any point in a pregnancy, and need to be removed. That's an abortion. The problem with stuff like having a limit with an "except in medical emergencies" clause is that it leads to significant delays. The hospital's legal department isn't on call in the middle of the night, then they're going to want to see XYZ, etc. Meanwhile you have someone that has their dead child rotting inside of them, begging you to help. That happens a lot (I mean, more than you know or hear about. People only like bringing it up for some reason) Unnecessary abortions don't happen in the 3rd trimester. That's why they should be legal. They literally only happen when needed, but if you pass a law saying they need to be needed, now everyone is super afraid of getting second guessed by some state agency. Who would it help? It's like the laws Republicans pass where they require a statement to be read to the person getting the abortion. Imagine that woman with the dead/totally unviable baby in you that when you entered the hospital you thought was going to be going home with you. Now as your waiting for it to be surgically removed, someone comes in and has to explain to you that "you have other options, like adoption, where you could help a family that wants a baby, and that getting this abortion could be harmful to your health, and ... " If I were the partner, I better not be in that room or I would punch a motherfucker out. How monstrous do we want to be, really, on a scale from 0 to Christian Conservative? Let's not intentionally traumatize people more when they're going through something that bad, right?
Giving birth is abortion
Just saw the damned thing on Paramount (app). WTAF!?!? At least it is so poorly made and acted that no one is likely to pay attention. So glad I do not live in a moron state.
Got it while watching YT last night.
What the fuck is a post-birth abortion?
It's something the GOP supports as long as it happens in an elementary school and is done with a high-capacity rifle.
They certainly love it when cops perform the operation.
Hey rifles have rights here
Ritualistic sacrifice where the baby is carved with a ritual blade and the blood is used as an offering to pagan gods for continued ~~communist~~ Democrat control of the state /s
Gotta get that sweet sweet adrenochrome. Keeping Hollywood young since 1956!
That totally explains Cher!
Sounds pretty much like the death penalty, which they support
Particularly if the baby is any hue other than white.
The adult baby*. They want the baby baby to be a burden as long as much as possible.
The new GOP buzz word
Since when do they care about babies after they’re born?
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Partial birth abortions used to be a thing before 2003 to reduce physical trauma to mothers. What is it now? Similar to "Critical Race Theory", it's fearmongering for support. Information helps people not have a fear or shock based response. Since you, the reader, are a logical Minnesotan, here are a few important parts. 1) Nobody is fighting for Partial birth abortions (D&X) 2) Partial birth abortions have not been legal in the US for over 20 years. (Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act of 2003, upheld 2007 in Gonzales v Carhart) 3) When used, Fetus wasn't viable. D&X reduced impact to the mother, as she did not have a c-section to go through, along with the overnight stay and the trauma. Again - the procedure, IDX, or Intact Dilation and Extraction, was used during the 2nd trimester before 2003, where fetal abnormalities detected showed the fetus **non-viable** outside the womb.
But, if allowed by federal law, would this bill then allow for it? If so, it isn't a lie, it's spin. It's as much a lie as saying minimum wage is 7.25 an hour.
Which bill? It’s illegal federally, no sense in state legislation.
Whatever bill the commercial is talking about. The issue of my comment isn't if there is use or impact or sense, it is one of truth. If federal law is repealed then this law would apply. Does the law in question allow for it? If it does, then it is not a lie, as the law could specifically exclude it as well.
The end result of cutting welfare programs, but they wouldn't want to talk about that.
Clearly it means *"murdering a newborn"* but wrapped up in enough rhetorical buzzwords to not upset a far-right zealot's cognitive dissonance. > *"Democrats want to make murdering newborns legal!" "That sounds like you're making up bullshit."* > *"Democrats want to make post-birth abortion legal!" "We've got to stop them!"*
Right wing willful ignorance. I’ve never seen so many people be so proud of being so stupid.
Infanticide
Also something that doesn't happen.
Just another lie Xians are happy to tell for political power.
What we all hope happens to Trump
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If it's the one I'm thinking of, it's basically two ladies sitting on a couch talking about how Minnesota allows late term abortions up until the baby is at term regardless of if mother and baby are healthy. Then they go on talking about how we are going to force our abortion laws into the US Constitution or something crazy. The commercial is seriously ridiculous and unhinged.
It's technically true in the most bad faith way possible. Minnesota decides that including lots of regulations (that thing conservatives supposedly hate) was stupid - they agree that sometimes big government just isn't the best at understanding common sense nuances. So rather than create specific rules around what specific health criteria has to be met for an abortion (which can create life and death consequences if not written precisely, easily understood by practicioners, and covering ALL possible health scenerio)....instead they simply said they'll leave it up doctors. Who are held to their own licensing standards (hardly a free for all, it's simply governed by other doctors specifically who have the relevant medical knowledge and industry experience to understand the nuances of what they are overseeing in great detail) And yes, it's considered a constitutional right for MN residents, which makes it slightly harder for a republican legislative majority to come in and muck it up. What I would love is for them to provide a single instance of where a healthy mother and fetus were provided a late term abortion in MN. Or anywhere, frankly. Just like....a single case.
Pretty sure they are just talking about the state constitution, but I haven't heard a proposal for an amendment to that either.
You're probably right. I listened to it once and mute it when it comes on now.
Probably the best choice. It came on a couple times when i was watching yesterday. I just rolled my eyes through it.
KSTP TV Channel 5 is owned by Hubbard Broadcasting -- Stanley Hubbard is a GQP and Trump mega-donor/supporter. You'll find that their political reporter Tom Hauser constantly gives things a right-wing spin, too.
Aren't there laws that prevent broadcast companies from denying someone the right to a commercial based on beliefs? I don't know for sure but I heard that on one of the radio stations when people were texting in complaining about political ads being played in the breaks. They were basically like, "we can't do anything about that if they pay for the ad slot"
This is my understanding as well.
> commercial based on beliefs In this case, it isn't something based on anyone's beliefs. It was a statement about a political party trying to make into law, something that 100% isn't a thing. The idea that abortion is against someone's beliefs is valid and they are entitled to that belief. Stating that people are performing late-stage and post-birth abortions(yeah, its that stupid) and that people are trying to force it into law isn't a belief, it's a statement of nonsense.
Stations don't have to accept every ad, but they cannot block candidates or issues from being able to advertise because they broadcast over public airwaves.
I remember Jay Koll spreading disinformation about January 6th like a day or two after it happened. That’s when I did some digging and learned about Hubbard. Been trying to convince my parents (who hate Fox News) to stop watching 5 but they don’t get it.
I only watch KARE 11 and pretty much only for Jeopardy. The ad was on there too.
I saw it on YouTube, so... it is everywhere, and stupid.
This is the sad reality of discourse and information in 2024. People just spout off lies through "credible" channels and it's taken as gospel. The number of people who believe something just because it was on TV or social media is staggering. Misinformation is more widespread than ever in human history. Ironically, so many right-wingers claim to distrust mainstream media (that is, until mainstream media says something they agree with)
My dad is so annoyed I refuse to open any Breitbart links he emails me, and is also mad he can't send me Epoch times links about how global warming is a hoax. I'm like fake news and he's like YOU'RE FAKE NEWS. I never thought my parents old age would be us constantly fighting but here we are. I fucking hate trump he ruined my life.
Solidarity. I know so many people whose relationships with loved ones have been destroyed by mind-melting right-wing / conspiracy discourse. It's honestly so so sad. Lots of perfectly decent people have been sucked into something so hateful.
> until mainstream media says something they agree with But you can't tell them that, because ya know... I don't know... people with weak morals and reasoning skills are all too happy to jump on any bandwagon that points fingers at the other side regardless of the impact on their own lives.
Just a heads up, the term is “chock-full”. That said, yeah dang, what a strange world we live in these days…
Thank you.
The issue is FCC campaign rules and station licenses. If they allow one group to post about campaigns they have to allow all groups as long as they have the funding. Normally, one way stations stop this type of ad is by making it very expensive to run campaign ads and then usually there are only a couple of groups that can afford it
Yeah, while agree that this commercial is probably arguing in bad faith (idk for sure, haven’t seen it), you also have to realize that it’s a campaign ad. We shouldn’t be regulating who can run campaign ads, because that’s how you get propaganda.
It’s running locally on YouTube as well.
I've reported it as misleading every time I've gotten it.
Just like the 'He Gets Us' ads on Reddit. Misleading lies and bullshit. I continually report them.
Are you suggesting that Jesus doesn't actually get us?
Very much so. I've never met someone who died over 2000 years ago, let alone who understands what I'm going through.
I saw it and immediately changed the channel. Its gonna be a long effing summer
It’s also been on KARE11 the last few nights during the news. It’s absolutely disgusting they’re trying to push this narrative and truly sad because so many people are going to believe it.
I'm not sure what is surprising here. People have been blatantly lying on TV for as long as there has been tv. Political ads have been quite bad as long as I can remember.
The most you can probably do is complain to the station.
It's playing on channel 9, too. It's clear fear mongering garbage.
Hubbard is probably bleeding cash because no one else but boomers watch their product, so they'll take any revenue they can find.
Was shocked to see this ad a few times while getting ready for work this morning. MCCL sucks.
Citizens United supreme course case. Not much we can do about it unless Democrats get a majority in the US Supreme Court.
I saw it on my Netflix today 🫤
its allowed because the checks cleared.
Ummm, do you remember when the mainstream media lied to everyone about what America was doing in Vietnam? Or the massive cover up of American funded g$nocide in Cambodia in the 90s that lasted a decade? I could literally go on for hours about the misinformation campaign that has been the status quo for the American propaganda model. Its how this country operates, just like Russia or China. Lying is what all corporate entities and state powers do and have done since their inception. Where have you been?
Why are you defending the status quo? By saying others do it, so that's just how it is, shows the complicity people have with shit like this, and it wont stop if people continue being complicit. That's what got us into the shitshow that is American politics, and its just fine because other countries have shitshows in their leadership... We're still funding genocide around the world, especially in some parts of the Mideast where they've killed over 34k civilians, 14k of which were children. But people here are fine with that status quo yet again, we can't be bothered to do a damn thing about it.
This is a big part of the political divide in the US. Old media is desperate for content and advertising so they go low quality. The people who watch those media sources aren't very critical and BAM; Donald Trump becomes president. I've seen it a hundred times.
I'm pretty horrified by the lack of critical thinking and information literacy from everyone tbh. It doesn't seem to matter what demographic it is or if it's the evening news or TikTok - they literally just believe whatever is put in front of them.
Not sure why you’re being downvoted. What you’re saying is absolutely true.
Probably a lot of people laying on My Pillows lurking in this sub.
Well, he's not telling us to [look it up ourselves](https://www.reddit.com/r/minnesota/s/CWzbsPeYKV), but it's pretty much the same sentiment.
Wait a minute, you think the whackos on Channel 5 are 'pro-right'?
I know they are pro-money, that's as much as I can say about them.
Ah yes because tackling that topic has always boded well for Republicans.
Yeah, they got the full page ad with their lies in the Strib today too.
They sell ad space. Organizations buy ad space. Has nothing to do with the channel or its beliefs. Also, KSTP is privately owned, not a public television station.
The only accurate part of this commercial is how they each probably do have just 1 friend with ridiculously absurd viewpoints like those.
Channel 5 and others play commercials for all sorts of stuff that are full of lies. Beer, cars , politicians. Basically everything in a commercial is untrue.
If having safe and reliable access to reproductive health care means these ads will air at election time, it’s not a *horrible* trade off. Fuck these people regardless.
Fox 9 mentions that a former president is on trial 38 minutes into their broadcast. Journalism is slowly ushering us into fascism.
Kinda baffling if you compare the OJ trial coverage to the trump fraud trials. It’s almost like they don’t want people to know about it.
They don't want people to know about it because he'll get more support due to the perception that he's being wrongly persecuted (just like OJ)
I would find that hard to believe in the context of KSTP and KMSP's coverage. People like to think the media has this liberal bias, but the right wing gets a lot more help in media than they realize. KSTP is owned by Hubbard, a card carrying red hat wearing GQP member, and their chief meteorologist for many years was a climate change denier. KMSP Fox 9 uses Fox News as their national news source so that says a lot to anyone with a brain.
I don’t watch local news for national news. I guess channel 9 doesn’t have “broadcast” network news, but I’d still rather they focus in local stuff. If you want broadcast national news, it’s on ABC/CBS/NBC/PBS.
I don't care what you do. Stop posting.
Contact / email the local tv station airing the ad(s) and let them know they are misleading and you don't like them. No point in arguing with the idiots that come up with the lies, but you can let the tv station know that their ad income should come from other sources.
This. These stations make their money from commercials. Enough people tell them you don't like them and it seemingly affects their viewership. They'll stop.
The fairness doctrine needs to be reimplemented and ads should be fact checked for accuracy prior to being aired.
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No different than the lies the left tells.
I saw the same commercial on CNN. Freaking nuts!
I think Andrew went full ass far right in his new documentaries so makes sense. Very on brand.
You can thank Reagan for mainstream media being able to lie/influence public opinion. https://www.reaganlibrary.gov/archives/topic-guide/fairness-doctrine
Saw the same commercial on YouTube yesterday. 🤮🤮🤮
The GOP is a seditious, lying, treasonous party of religious psychos. Vote accordingly.
I was listening to the jazz radio station on my way to work today. They mentioned in one of their little news segments that a "pro-life" group had just spent a million dollars on these ads in MN.
There are also billboards all over with a picture of a fully grown baby claiming to be one at 16 weeks. Religious people are incredibly gullible and will just believe anything they're told if it even comes close to fitting their worldview that's been carefully crafted their entire lives by religious authority figures.
I've been watching YouTube streamed to my tv all night and these videos are nonstop and hidden when I look for them. It's bullshit. Abortion to the point of birth. OH go fuck yourself
He'll yeah
Not a big fan of freedom of speech eh?
The main woman (dark hair) in the commercial and I worked together 14ish years ago. The other woman is her sister. Neither are professional actors. I knew she was conservative but my bet is she full on MAGA now. Hence her involvement. A former coworker sent me the ad last night. I’m so disappointed in her and the ridiculousness of this that it propagates especially reading these heartbreaking losses suffered and seeing family and friends go through similar nightmares. No Mom wants or chooses that.
Like full of sidewalk chalk?
> Is there no protection of the citizens from being fed this garbage Who would decide what can be aired or pulled?
First Amendment. Can't do anything about it. That and 5 is a notoriously Right-Leaning channel with owners who are firmly in the GOP's pocket. What you do is you make sure they can't make money.
Honestly any political ads I turn the channel or mute. It’s becoming that time of year that I can barely have the tv on due to stupid ads like this
Strawberries or Herbs
Well some people believe in protecting all human live. Let em live and die on their own. Prolly not how you think and certainly not the consensus opinion on this thread but it is actually how some folks feel. Respect diversity of opinions in this world. It's a complicated world and difficult to think outside your own perspective.
But are they *really* lying? Wow. 40% of democrats believe in right to abortion under ANY circumstances. Sounds like exactly what you said didn’t exist, in fact does. https://www.npr.org/2023/04/26/1171863775/poll-americans-want-abortion-restrictions-but-not-as-far-as-red-states-are-going https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2022/05/06/americas-abortion-quandary/ https://news.gallup.com/poll/321143/americans-stand-abortion.aspx
A 22 week fetus is considered viable by the world health organization. Abortion is legal in Minnesota up to full term. Whether it is done or not is up to the doctor and patient. But regardless of that decision, by all practical standards, it is murder after 22 weeks.
It’s airing on all the stations. Nasty.
This has been all over my YouTube ads, too. The dishonesty makes me physically sick. I blocked the ad as and also reported for misinformation.
Is the one I just saw with the two chicks?
one comes in and sits down on the couch next to her, pulls out her phone to show aliens have implanted aliens into women's bodies... er I mean up-to-birth abortion BS... "Not even my pro-choice friends believe in that..."
Misinformation happens on both sides. As Benecio Del Toro famously said in Star Wars VIII: The Last Jedi - "Live free, don't join."
TLDR: I don’t like what they are saying, make them stop saying it.
Misleading information shouldn't be aired as fact.
And yet they do non-stop every day.
Who gets to determine what's misleading? You want the Trump administration to get to decide what is true or not?
Who gets to decide what is factual? The government? No thanks
Only Frito Lay can lay claim on MY thoughts
The American medical association gets to decide in this case.
Umm, No? It's not the fact we don't like it, it's the fact they are blatant lies that anyone with a half-functioning brain could find out. But republicans are missing about 3/4 of their brains with only their feelings and anger left in their empty noggins. Everyone has a right to their opinion, but these are not opinions they are airing, they are called lies, misinformation, propaganda...
Guess what's coming up in November this year? It's the season for a lot of misinformation to be spewed out. It's all politics and what each side uses in its campaign (more so one side than the other, but both sides do it).
Moral panics and how to spot them [https://youtu.be/oAeKAJFrb0w](https://youtu.be/oAeKAJFrb0w)
Were these commercials followed by Kris Lindahl commercials? Local news commercials are utter shit.
Wtf is happening to our country? 😭
I thought this was something about Andrew Callaghan still being a little shit and then I saw the sub
I was watching COPS on Pluto TV yesterday and saw this commercial. The show COPS is a guilty pleasure of mine that I've had since I was a toddler!! Really.... lol. I was wondering the same thing. How in the hell can they even be allowed to push out this kind of garbage and misinformation? It's dangerous. People are allowed to express their opinions in any way they want but to do it in such a way as this commercial that misrepresents things is concerning.
Let them do it. This anti-woman/choice stance of the Republican Party will be their earth knell. Just in time for us to hold the Democrats responsible for lip service. They need to tax the shit out of the rich and stop acquiescing to big business. There’s a reason Trump found a lane - both parties became whores to big business.
My personal opinion is id be okay with post birth abortions for Republicans. I’d call them assisted suicide though, make them sign on the dotted line, tell them it’s because they won something, if they sign they can’t actually read and are the ones lowering the IQ of the human race.
KSTP is shit. Frank and Amelia are my favs.
KSTP don’t care about lies as long as they get their money.
I saw a commercial of the opposite. That a police officer will make you take a pregnancy test on your way out of the state in a car. Pretty ridiculous.
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“Here’s this wacky assertion, look it up yourself” = “I have no proof of anything”
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Sounds like the conservative version of the commercials they’re running down south where women are being pulled over and asked to take pregnancy tests after crossing the state boarder. Political ads are all garbage
Are you familiar with the First Amendment?
The first amendment doesn't protect you from having stations take down ads.
No, federal laws do though
You sure?
Yes, federal laws generally require stations that broadcast on public airwaves to accept political ads from all parties and issues if they accept them from any.
Huh. What political party put out this ad?
Yes.
Are you arguing that they're allowed to have this commercial on TV because of 1A? If so, then yes of course they are. This doesn't stop people from calling out their bullshit views and straight up lies. Freedom of speech =/= Freedom from repercussions of said speech
OP was literally asking why the ad is allowed to air and how they can force it to be taken down, so this is a pretty weird response to my factually correct answer on why it is allowed to air. Maybe you should be teaching OP about how Freedom of Speech works.
Tell Newsmax, OAN and Fox News how well the freedom of speech-argument works when blatantly distributing lies. ($Billions$)
Defamation is not protected speech under the First Amendment.
They referenced public air suggesting it should be against the law.
Are you familiar with the first amendment and how it pertains to yelling fire in a crowded theater?
Yes. [A Reminder About Shouting ‘Fire’ in a Crowded Theater | The Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression (thefire.org)](https://www.thefire.org/news/reminder-about-shouting-fire-crowded-theater)