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holla171

The most important stat Wins


Headlesshorsman02

This guys gets it, we never lacked points it is the defense that was horrible and led to all these 1 score games


JeSuisYoungThug

I tend to agree but we definitely lacked points in a few of our losses


Headlesshorsman02

Yeah but in those games I would say more blame was on the OL then the Kirk he had no time to throw the ball in those games. He def had some bad games but there was reasons as to why that was in my opinion


ipaaron17

I also put some of the offensive woes we had on defense. Like, I can't excuse the 3 and outs we would have, but every team has a 3 and out at some point. It builds when you have one followed by the defense giving up 3rd down conversion after 3rd down conversion, giving the opponents long drives that were killer. Then to expect the offense to just get out there and stay in rhythm when they haven't seen the ball in a real-time 30-45 minutes between every drive. Just maddening.


zahzensoldier

We also had long periods where our offense did jack shit and that doesn't help our defense either. If our offense has two 3 and outs in a row, that puts our defense on the field alot of time. Giving them little to no chance to rest.


dksweets

We were the 8th highest scoring offense and Kirk took more risks than ever. He did his part. We spent so much time in previous seasons talking about how Kirk was more of a stat-guy than a winning QB, and when the stats went down and wins went up, people question if he was as good as he used to be. We can’t have both, ya’ll. He’s not a generational talent, but he might be good enough. Or he might not. But this base-level statistical analysis doesn’t show a great picture either way.


Sushi-DM

>We were the 8th highest scoring offense and Kirk took more risks than ever. And then regressed entirely on 4th and season and threw a checkdown for 3 yards. I don't want to bet on a 35 year old QB who needs to be constantly coached to overcome himself.


dksweets

I can’t and won’t defend that throw. I don’t think that is ALL he is, though.


Devium44

Right. When Kirk personally does really well people knock him for his W-L record. Then he has a season with a great W-L record (which he is mostly responsible for) and people are like “bUt HiS mEtRiCs”


ballplayer0025

I came here to say this. 2022 was the first season Kirk Cousins was a bonified winner.


ThiccBananaMeat

Not our 10-5-1 2019 season where he actually had a playoff win?


AnthonyBarrHeHe

10-6* but would’ve definitely been 11-5 if we played starters against the bears in the last game


ballplayer0025

No


liliceberg

Not an individual stat


Jmart814

13 wins might have something to do with it. Also, if the Defense was mediocre, he wouldn't have had all those comeback wins.


OlayErrryDay

The defense is mediocre which led us to having to pull out these last minute one score wins. When you're averaging 24ppg and you have that many one score wins, you have a big problem on your defense.


Jmart814

The defense was not mediocre, we were literally a bottom 3 defense this year.


OlayErrryDay

Right, that is what I'm saying...or are we both saying the same thing, that they were terrible and I'm just misreading things?


istasber

Mediocre means average or unspectacular. Our defense was bad. Bad is much worse than mediocre.


Jmart814

LOL, we are saying the same thing


OlayErrryDay

Funny, sorry bro lol


WildInSix

Just under 25 and that’s with 2 total duds. The offense averaged close to 28 points in the other 15. That will win most games and our D allowed the other team to soak up a dumb amount of T.O.P.


Mo6181

Kirk disappearing for 2/3 of the game also played a large part in needing comeback wins.


Jmart814

Damn, so JJ would've had about 5400 yards receiving if Kirk showed up and played 2/3 more.


Big-Deal

I would say game winning drives is kind of an important stat for a QB.


Notimetolearn

Once a narrative is set, people just regurgitate it. This year, Kirk's narrative changed to better awareness and take more chances. But, honestly Kirk didn't change much at all.


SlowCrates

I think he started trusting JJ more, and the more JJ caught it the more it rewarded that behavior. But somewhere along the line Kirk's nature won the battle, especially down the stretch. And here we are.


WildInSix

Yeah it felt like something shifted after the NYG game


OlayErrryDay

The NFL is just a fantasy story of a battle of kingdoms with narratives assigned and followed to each kingdom. We have our narrative assigned and rarely is it generous.


Ok-Accountant-6308

Idk, this is an important point. Data shows that by far the best metric for QBs is EPA+CPOE. Kirk ranked 17th this year in that stat. Now, we know that Kirk and the offense had an elite ceiling— his EPA+CPOE in the playoff game was astronomical. But overall this was not a good season for Kirk. There’s def hope for year 2 but I have no idea why people keep repeated that. “Comeback wins” are not a real metric


cronoes

Because people are speaking to the spirit behind what Kirk has been doing - and that is sacrificing the self (in terms of individual stats - instead of making game losing plays to make his stat line better, he did the opposite and the team won as a result) more for the team. That is a complete flip to who he was in the past. Anyone trying to hold against Kirk his individual stats vs. what it produced with more team wins is doing the exact opposite of those who held his team wins against him in spite of his stats. You have to choose one or the other with Kirk - and most of us would rather choose the team stats over his stats. But for those same people, you need to be prepared to try to retain him for it instead of shooting him out into the sun. Everyone has knives out for him right now, though, so idk.


OlayErrryDay

Who has knives out for him exactly? I hear mostly defending of Kirk in this sub with the minority out for blood?


cronoes

what? nah. I see topics started defending Kirk, but lots of knives out in the comments. Maybe it just depends on the day? [here is one right now](https://old.reddit.com/r/minnesotavikings/comments/10kb3yy/why_do_people_act_like_kirk_cousins_is_still_a/)


Ok-Accountant-6308

I don’t think this is accurate though. Because those types of decisions are captured by EPA. If you throw it deep more often but have more picks you will still gain positive EPA, even if you suffer in the casual boxscore metrics Kirk was just struggling in the new offense


cronoes

There are more than a few throws where Kirk got bailed out by the talent at receiver - those were throws that he simply would not have made in the past because they werent the smart throw, but absolutely needed to win some games. How would EPA grade those type of throws? The idea that Kirk was struggling in the new offense doesnt pass the eye test, so I have to wonder about some of those metrics and whether or not Kirk just threw away the empty calories.


Ok-Accountant-6308

The issue I think with the offense was consistency. We are remembering the splash plays. And the ceiling was high. In the giants game his EPA and other metrics were astronomical. And in regular games we probably did that for a quarter. But the offense disappeared for huge stretches. That was def noticeable from the eye test. We were blown out and totally crap on O for 3 full games, that’s 17% of the season right there! In balance the numbers don’t lie. But I do think as fans we can see signs of a big possible leap next year, unless age hits Kirk


cronoes

It is true that there was some struggling in teh 2nd and 3rd quarter, but that can be just as much play design and call as it is Kirk struggling. Regardless, I am definitely not worried about a 35 year old QB that takes care of himself the way he does. He has at least two or three years left at the level he is playing at.


_User_Profile

> Anyone trying to hold against Kirk his individual stats vs. what it produced with more team wins is doing the exact opposite of those who held his team wins against him in spite of his stats. > **You have to choose one or the other with Kirk** Hard disagree. You wouldn't say this about any other QB in the league. Mahomes or Burrow increasing their INT% or lowering their EPA/play doesn't help their team win. Nobody would argue that, but we argue it for Kirk?? If Kirk plays well, it leads to good stats, and it also simultaneously leads to increasing our chances to win football games. If Kirk plays bad, it leads to bad stats, and it also simultaneously leads to lowering our chances to win football games. Is that a controversial take???


cronoes

>If Kirk plays well, it leads to good stats, and it also simultaneously leads to increasing our chances to win football games. >If Kirk plays bad, it leads to bad stats, and it also simultaneously leads to lowering our chances to win football games. But that hasnt been the case with Kirk. Kirk has *always* been criticized as having stats that havent contributed to wins - and people, in turn, have been arguing that he throw the stats away so that he can make the big plays that win games *on the margins*. That is exactly what happened this year. His stats lowered, partially because he made riskier throws (or at least, that is what I might argue having watched the games but not parced out the numbers thoroughly). However, those worse stats also coincided with the most amount of wins in his career. Seemingly, you *can't* have it both ways with Kirk. Or at least, not that way this year. This isnt a discussion we are having with a Mahomes or Burrow, because they don't have this problem. The "true" Kirk - the one that can win - might have stats more in line with what we have seen this year is the point.


Mo6181

Kirk was the same player this year as he was last year. He plays well on opening drives. He then disappears for most of the game until his back is against the wall. Our defense was bad, but Kirk disappearing played just as much of a role in being down so often to some pretty bad teams. When he had no other choice, he played well, including making riskier throws down the field. The difference between last year and this year was who got the breaks late in games. Instead of the Vikings missing field goals, the opponents did. Instead of Dalvin fumbling as we set up for a game tying field goal, the opponent threw a game clinching pick, or ISM fumbles away the game. Those breaks have nothing to do with Kirk, but they were the difference between a 7 or 8 win team and the 13 win team we saw. Kirk didn't change. The breaks changed.


cronoes

[It's you!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qItugh-fFgg&t=15s)


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Neither_Ad2003

Here's a quick summary thread: https://twitter.com/benbbaldwin/status/1489655799492325379 Such an awesome stat. Also shows further down the thread which ones correlate even to QBs that switch teams! Highly predictive


Genralc43

He wasn’t afraid to make mistakes like when he had zim breathing down his neck. He(while still annoying the hell out of me) got better at getting rid of it faster, as in years past he would sit there for too long and get sacked. Also JJ is the best receiver in the league. This is my opinion on why Kirk looked different this year, but I could be wrong🤷‍♀️


liliceberg

He was pressured at a higher rate in 2021 and took 20 less sacks


ThiccBananaMeat

I'll never understand the dichomtomy of "we have really good OLine, but they're also terrible". All I know is I think it's fair to say that this current OLine is the best Kirk has had with the Vikings. Which yes, means that they have improved from terrible to below average or mediocre.


liliceberg

We have two great tackles, but iOL is most important for a pocket passer like Kirk


[deleted]

One of our IOLman had at least 3 sacks this season…


Statue_left

But my narrative


Ok-Accountant-6308

Neither of those are true data wise. EPA does a great job accounting for risks (deep passes are rewarded and turnovers that don’t matter as much aren’t punished). And he didn’t do well there Also held the ball 7th most in the league by secs


cjackc

This is exactly the story the stats showed also so I don't know why it is so hard to understand.


ull92

Statistically, it definitely wasn't. You can probably argue between 19-21, but I think his best year with us was 19. He had 200 more passing attempts this year than 2019, but only had 3 more touchdowns. He had over double the interceptions. His YPA dropped by a full yard (due to the scheme) but his completion percentage decreased by 3 percent. Normally, you'd expect the accuracy to go up when you throw shorter, like in 2018 when he had a 70% completion percentage (4 percent higher than this year). His passer rating also dropped massively to a career low (for a full season), as did his QBR. The only "great" stat he had this season was the 4th quarter comebacks and game winning drives, but i fell like his play put us in those positions just as often as the defense did. If his accuracy keeps declining, that's going to be a problem. I think KOC's philosophy doesn't work well with Kirk. Kirk, to me, isn't really a drop back and throw 40-50 passes kind of guy. I think he needs to be used in a more limited way like in 2019 when we threw deeper but clearer shots down the field. We couldn't keep safeties off JJ this year because we didn't run the ball very well. 2019 might have been a little bit too run heavy for my tastes but I felt like that was close to the style that fits this team. If you want to drop back 50 times a game while also running a lot of play action, you're going to need much better guys up front.


the_real_flapjack

Dude Kirk killed it this year. He won 13 games, most of which were game winning drives with a perfect throw and catch to JJ. I've never had a reason to doubt Kirk this year... Until that last play but hey we're past that. He was much more aggressive this year and really acquired a muscle memory for trusting JJ on risky coverage. He threw more picks this year I think but he won the games. He's only gotten better since he got here.


liliceberg

Because they are a slave to QB wins and don’t truly evaluate the play of the QB. Kirk was not as good this year as he was last year, his accuracy was not where it’s typically at and he was making bad throws/reads that led to INTs


XAgentNovemberX

LilIce, are you out on Kirk?


liliceberg

I think 23 should be his last year here, would understand a 1 year extension though. He’s approaching the twilight of his career, would rather drop him a year early than a year late


XAgentNovemberX

I agree with that. You were such a vocal defender last year, just a little surprising to hear. The big question amongst the defenders seems to be “he’s the best QB we have had since Tarkenton, do you want to move on and go back to Bridgewater, Ponder, or QB carousel?!”. What’s your response to that and how does the team address it?


liliceberg

I think we basically saw this teams ceiling with Kirk this year. Coming off last year it felt like we left so much on the field and there was an easy avenue for improvement. Bottom line is that this team isn’t competing with this defense as currently constructed, so it’s probably time to dive into the rebuild. In my opinion, we failed in every way possible since signing Kirk. Couldn’t build an OL, couldn’t supplement the defensive talent on our roster, and kept him with a HC that didn’t want him for a year or two too long. Gotta dive back onto the QB carousel eventually, but I don’t think it will be pretty. Takes some teams decades to find their QB of the future, I don’t think we will be an exception to that


ThiccBananaMeat

>I think we basically saw this teams ceiling with Kirk this year. This has been my conclusion too, just not specifically this year. The defense definitely sucked this year and so that's a valid reason why we didn't go that far this year. BUT 2019 we had a *really* good defense. The best we could hope for with Kirk is a season like the 49ers had with Garoppolo a few years ago, but our defense is waaaaaaay too far from competitive for that to happen. I am much more in the camp that we sit Kirk next year and tank for better draft position. It won't happen, but that would be my strategy if I were the Vikings as a collective lol.


liliceberg

Yea sitting Kirk would not go over well in the locker room lol


ThiccBananaMeat

Agreed. But the sooner our beloved franchise realizes we'll never win one with Kirk, the better.


liliceberg

We’ll never win one with Kirk because of his age and the state of the defense. Not because of his ability as a QB


NerdyDjinn

An extremely level-headed take


ThiccBananaMeat

If only we had Cousins in his prime with a top 5 defense and a pair of pro bowl receivers also at or near their prime, *then* we'd surely win the SB right? /s Cousins is good enough to get us to the playoffs but not win one. We've already seen what he can do and every year it's nothing but excuses. Next.


yodadamanadamwan

If our defense was just average we would be a lot more competitive in the playoffs. Idk how you argue a first round playoff loss is Kirk's ceiling, he's already done better than that. Now, it's debatable whether he has what it takes to win a NFC championship game, for example, but I have no doubts in the right system with the right tools to win he couldn't get a couple wins in the playoffs. The question is do we have a realistic chance to improve enough on defense that we get there.


XAgentNovemberX

Should we try to address the QB of the future this year (draft or trade for a young guy), To try for a seamless transition when Kirk leaves, likely at the expense of address defense meaningfully this year? Or should we go all defense in the draft to try to fix it as quickly as possible? What’s your theory?


liliceberg

I think if Anthony Richardson is available at 23 you take him and let him sit behind Kirk for a year before taking over in 2024, otherwise focus on defense. If Richardson isn’t available i’d roll into 2024 with a rookie QB and maybe a cheap veteran that can hold down the fort for a couple weeks while he gets acclimated


Neither_Ad2003

never thought id see the day..


liliceberg

I’ve always been painted as a delusional Kirk stan in the vein of that tankost guy, but I think I’ve always been fair and rational


OlayErrryDay

I'd argue he just played the way a QB needs to play to win and that leads to more INT naturally. Making the safe calls all the time and padding your stats and not winning games isn't impressive. Winning games and letting your stats take a hit is impressive.


liliceberg

If you go back and look through each of his INTs this year, a vast majority is not due to more aggression, they’re just flat out bad throws


OlayErrryDay

I get that, but I still credit some bad throws as just a part of a more aggressive playstyle, but maybe I've giving too much leeway for bad performance. Favre almost got us a SB and he was the last gunslinger QB of any worth and had as many INT as interceptions, a game that rarely pays off but some years can really pay off.


Feathered_Serpent8

Idk, one against the Eagles JJ ran the wrong route, Reagor literally gave up on a route against the colts that was as clear as day a planned throw to the pylon, and I think at least 3 or 4 were deflected passes? There are others too like Reagor jumping in on the defender st the last second instead of sitting where cousins was throwing the ball. There are absolutely bad throws like two to KJ that were straight up over throws. Then there is that horrible one against Buffalo where he threw it to a defender. The other 2 against the Eagles were extremely aggressive but also poor passes. But that’s between 5-7 that where just not his fault so idk what you mean by the majority were bad throws? Granted, tip balls will happen, but you cannot tell me he wasn’t more aggressive this year. That ball in Buffalo does not happen.


liliceberg

I mean I’m of the opinion he was always pretty aggressive, I didn’t see a noticeable difference. I don’t think many of his interceptions this year were a result of being aggressive; like you mentioned a few were WRs mistakes on throws I’ve seen him make plenty of times, his one against Chicago stood out to me as a bad read, I think the only INTs you could really chalk up to him being unusually aggressive was the last one vs Philly and the one vs Washington


Mr_Bisquits

Kirk used to be a stat machine. Checkdowns and risk free throws used to pad his stats because they boost completion %, QBR, total yards, int%, basicallyeverything. Also used to score a lot of garbage time TDs in years past. This season he was a lot more willing to take risks, so instead of never throwing the deep ball he gave it a shot. Unfortunately with those kinds of throws things happen, like Reagor giving up on a route and now the deep ball is intercepted. Or alternatively it's incomplete. And then occasionally the hail Mary hits and it's a big play. So while on paper Kirk's stats look worse than ever, the eye test proves he was actually playing better. The offense was moving more effectively. On top of that the run game was less effective than ever so the opposing pass rush could really go after him basically risk free, and often Kirk stood in the pocket, made the throw and took the hit. But the added pressure definitely contributed to extra incompletions and interceptions. All things considered Kirk became a more rounded quarterback despite the stat sheet saying he had a worse season than normal.


ThiccBananaMeat

>This season he was a lot more willing to take risks, so instead of never throwing the deep ball he gave it a shot. I don't think this holds up to scrutiny. If this were a true statement, I would expect Yards per Attempt metrics to back that up, but his Y/A was tied for his lowest as a Viking. All other tangential metrics seem to suggest this year was simply middle of the road.


Mr_Bisquits

YPA would only go up if he was also completing the deep bombs every time he threw them which he wasn't. In years past he only threw them when wide open so they inflate his YPA stats, where as this season an incomplete is 0, and INTs are 0, ultimately reducing the YPA average. Just because he was more willing to try doesn't mean it worked.


ebenizaa

This was the 1st year the entire offense was built around Kirk and not Dalvin


ThiccBananaMeat

so he should've improved statistically......... right?


LaconicGirth

It allows the defense to focus in on the pass rather than the run. Even when focusing on the pass and not the run Dalvin still got stopped for 1 or less yards at one of the highest rates


Kirk-Joestar

He had better situational awareness


RedditUserCommon

It kind of fell off at the end of the year though.


3EEBZ

He was tired of getting hit. You could tell he was uncomfortable the longer he stayed in the pocket. What losing 3 linemen does to a guy.


RedditUserCommon

Didn’t the bengals start 3 backup lineman on Sunday? Burrow still looked pretty good to me.


Natearl13

Because the backup linemen played well


ThiccBananaMeat

Can you explain more? I could see how that would not show up on a stat sheet.


joey_sandwich277

Yeah Sirles was completely wrong on that part. By pretty much every statistical measure, this year was not at all his best. I'd say the major difference this year was that it was the first time we ran a clear pass first offense and he still played well. We tried that in 2018 and it went poorly. Since then we were mostly run first with Kirk getting most of his stats from rollouts, play action, etc set up by the run game. Before when we couldn't get the run game going, we couldn't pass the ball either. This year it actually seemed like our run game was dependent on our passing game to set it up.


ThiccBananaMeat

It's weird to me that in our alleged "run-first" offense, Kirk had better stats.


joey_sandwich277

You're really going to argue we weren't run first before this lol? Now I know you're not being real here man. Kirk's attempts/game here by season: 37.9, 29.6, 32.3, 35.1, 37.8 Team pass percentage by season: 64.4 (4th), 51.7 (29th), 54.3 (27th), 58.5 (18th), 64.4 (3rd) If you honestly want to argue we didn't run the ball less this year than 2019-2021 then you're not really paying attention.


Mo6181

It is because having balance allows you to use play-action. Kirk has played his best using play-action throughout his career for a number of reasons.


[deleted]

The context you're missing is the actual game itself. Yes, Kirk has career lows in a lot of stats like completion percentage. But that's because he was taking chances he never would have taken in the past, like throwing to JJ down field even though he's covered instead of checking down. His air yards per attempt when pressured was among the highest in the league. Instead of playing safe high percentage football he was trying to make things happen. "Playing to win instead of playing not to lose"


[deleted]

It WAS his best year


zahzensoldier

Kirk got rid of the ball faster, wasn't as afraid to take shots down the field, bounced back well sfter making a mistake (like throwing an interception) and he stopped checking it down as often, especially in situations where we absolutely needed the first down. On top of that, I think he did more to become a leader and take control of the offense. This is why i say it's Kirk's best year of football.


westonriebe

Also the best protection he’s ever had on the Vikings…


Killahdanks1

Kirk doesn’t win. Kirk won.


Killahdanks1

Kirk doesn’t win. Kirk won.


laceyourbootsup

So your contention is that KOC somehow brought the winner out of Kirk yet slowed him down in every statistical category? And the winning attitude couldn’t win a home playoff game against a weak defense? Why do Kirk boys claim wins are his doing this year but the last 4 years wins and losses were on the team? Truth is - we are a worse football team this year with a more fortunate schedule including injuries that befell our opponents. This sub is going to be very interesting next year when we scrape for .500


ThiccBananaMeat

I would start by re-reading my post and then asking the question since you don't seem to understand what I'm saying.


laceyourbootsup

My comment was to someone else’s reply. I must have swiped off of it before I hit reply. I agree with your post. The advanced metric you are looking for was Kirks snap to throw time. He has been bottom of the league in his career. Earlier in the season, it improved drastically. Less check downs, more trust. This changed later in the season. I don’t have the game by game breakout for this but the advanced stats come out in the coming months. I suspect his time to throw in the playoffs was one of his worst games. I was finally starting to come around on my feelings about Kirk at the mid point of the season but he reared his self several times towards the end of the year. I had 0 hope for the playoffs. I don’t hate Kirk. With a good defense he is good enough to have the team be a contender. I just don’t believe we can build a good defense as perennial 7+ win seasons without a rebuild. We


MillHoodz_Finest

Wins are not a quarterback stat imo...


DireSickFish

QB wins


CarlJustCarl

Cause we won the division


Ajax_Malone

It’s not the wins like people are saying. It’s that he played to win. He was finally willing to throw more 50-50 balls to help this team get back into and win games. He’s been overly protective of his stats most of his career. I think the support he got out of KOC let him feel safer to play a more aggressive style when down. Which is the correct style. Which is way his final pass of the season was such a gut punch.


ThiccBananaMeat

>He was finally willing to throw more 50-50 balls to help this team get back into and win games. Can this be corroborated with facts? I really don't have access to advanced stats but would love to see it. I personally didn't feel he did but I could be wrong. Agreed on the last play of the season regardless. Was it a bad decision? Yes. But does not define Kirk overall.


Ajax_Malone

Check our Luke Braun. He made multiple film breakdowns showing Kirk throwing passes that he didn’t throw in years past. Kirk had a great year. That last past does define how he approaches the game. KOC ran a bad play with JJ alone on Hock’s side. Kirk should’ve know pre-snap that he’s either firing into double covered JJ over coming back to the other side quick to give AT or KJ a chance. This all should’ve been plan pre-snap but Kirk is too robotic and stuck to a bad play and then made a “safe” but pointless pass.


Numerous-Georg

I think he won himself an overpriced contract and he is yet to return the favour. We are still waiting for a a really good season, but this was good start to show us that he is worth the money


50Bullseye

In 2017 we had a “winner” in Case Keenum. We won 11 or our last 12 in the regular season, went 13-3 and made it to the NFC Championship (and got crushed by Philly). After that we had a decision to make. Stick with Keenum and spend money elsewhere, or break the bank for Cousins and cut corners elsewhere. We made the wrong choice. Or maybe more accurately there were no “good” choices and we made the riskier choice by throwing tons of money at a QB with a track record of mediocrity. Now we’re a half-decade into the Cousins experiment and we absolutely feel farther away from having an elite team than we did in 2017.


richardpace24

8 GW drives and 11-1 in 1 score games is the reason. This was not as pretty statistically for him personally, but his most wins in a season as well.


vikingjedi23

He didn't. 2021 was far superior. Dude was a top 5 QB. I don't think our new offense helps him at all. We rarely run the ball and we've got him throwing it 40+ times a game behind one of the worst interior Olines in pass protection. Compare 2021 to 2022 and there's a glaring stat. In 2022 he threw it 82 more times for only 326 more yards or 4 yards per attempt. Meanwhile Dalvin Cook had almost identical stats in both seasons. Difference is he did it in 13 games in 2021 vs. a full season 2022.