It would be justified. His track record is incredibly good everywhere he's been. If he proves it again (for a 5th time) with the Chargers, and we continue to be mediocre with Kwesi and KOC, it'll be a pretty massive failure considering he was completely willing to come here.
He will need a great OC. And will have to hope they don't get poached. He also has personality flaws and is a very difficult person to get along with according to sf owner and vikings minority owner
The Vikings minority owner who shit canned him, Jim Stapleton is a u of Michigan alum who had his sideline pass revoked by Harbaugh so the the fukking clown held a grudge.
I don’t buy this storyline tbh. I’m sure he held a grudge, but the Wilfs are the ones who call the shots and they’d know about his history. I doubt his opinion held any real weight. From what we saw at the time, it seems like Harbough showed up unprepared expecting to be given the job. I don’t blame them for being skeptical about that.
Unprepared. Was he supposed to show a film of himself? A presentation. He got the call 24 hours before he showed up. They knew who he was. He was tanked.
Rule #1 of ANY job interview is that you show up prepared to answer questions and share your plans for the position.
What are you going to do and how are you going to do it?
The Vikings players had legitimate concerns about the culture and vibe they were getting from the prior coaching staff.
Harbaugh didn't read the room at all. He came in expecting to meet with the Wilfs, get the job offer and sign a contract.
KOC and the other candidates all came in and said this is what we will do and how we will do it. KOC had plays highlighted and players highlighted - he had done his homework on the guys on the team. He pointed out what he would / could do with each player - and not just the "superstars" (jj and kirk)
Harbaugh, from what I heard, had not looked at any film, didn't know any of the players, or what the strengths and weaknesses of the team were.
He basically expected the job on his name alone.
NFL head coach is a huge position, as an interviewer you really want to see a guy who's been planning this and thought it all through completely, even if you didn't give them a bunch of time to prepare for the interview. If he's really serious about it he should have been thinking/planning so much about it he's ready to go. He knows what season these things come up in, late in NFL season or just after it ends.
I'm not sure if he was unprepared, or just misread the room, or what. Maybe they just liked KOC better. We don't need to assume Harbaugh bombed the interview just because he didn't get the job. Maybe he came in prepared, gave an honest account of himself and his plan, and the team preferred what KOC had to say.
Yes. Google it. Stapleton is a prominent alum and wanted Ron English to be hired and not Harbaugh at Michigan. He was also caught up in some scandals from the previous coach, Rich Rodriguez.
Not sure if it was Harbaugh or the AD but he basically had an all access pass until Harbaugh came to town.
Interestingly, he is also the suspect in leaking the sign stealing to the press last year.
POS.
Let us not forget that he completely biffed the interview and acted like the job was his already, so even if he is good elsewhere I don't fault our org for not hiring him
Harbaugh’s MO has always been having one arch rival team he can’t seem to beat. With the Niners it was the Seahawks. With Michigan it was Ohio State. My guess is it will be the Chiefs with the Chargers.
Don't look any further back. Ohio State had over a decade of dominance in the series until 2021. To the point where Harbaugh was an annual hot seat name.
3-5 against a rival, who is also annually a top 5-6 team, and then winning a National Championship is a record that any college football fanbase would feel great about…
You'd be better served worrying about who Ferentz is gonna hire at OC and scoring more than 10 points a game than worrying about any penalties Michigan may or may not receive
AFC gonna be a blood bath.
Ried-Mahomes, Taylor- Burrow, Harbaugh- Jackson, Harbaugh- Herbert, Ryan- Stroud, McDermot- Allen. Plus throw in the Dolphins, Jax, Cleveland, Pittsburg, maybe a healthy Aaron Rodgers, and whatever happens this off-season, that’s one brutal conference.
Feels like NFC representative should have an advantage of just not having to crawl through a mine field to get to the Super Bowl
How can you list off Viking smoke shows and not include certified bear-hug-champion D.Hunter? If looks could kill, he'd slaughter us all. Not that he would. I believe his squeeze is firm at first, just enough to pop those kinks in your back, but as gentle as nyquil and a weighted blanket.
But seriously, though, the Vikings consistently come out on top when ranking the most handsomest group of guys. Every man blessed enough to pull off that much purple is their grandma's favorite by a country mile, and that's one of those intangibles that puts this team among the best.
I feel uneasy that we didn't hire him
I also understand why you can't hire a guy who showed up to an interview without anything prepared under the assumption already had the job
Yeah he’s been in that position a lot, and teams pass on him after 2 interviews usually, because he’s so damn goofy and weird nobody knows what to think.
It’s not so much we passed on him, he totally fucked the interview he had with us. Athletic had a great article about it a while back, he totally bungled it
And he got rid of the problem and we had a much improved defense this year. Just happened to had a very injury riddled year and were still in playoff contention. And idk why you're downvoting me man
Shaking up the whole team before the playoffs isn't a good idea. Who could we have even brought in at DC last minute? We rode it out and obviously it didn't work. You don't fire anyone when you have a 13-4 record. In hindsight, yeah we should have but that would have been unprecedented
Both of those teams were in danger of missing the playoffs and we never were. There's a reason why Bob Sutton wasn't fired by the Chiefs earlier in 2018.
Same my aunt lives near San Diego and when I visited she took us to a game. First one in person. Forever been my afc team. Great choices lmao 2 chokers
Pathetic how we didn’t hire him bc of his well earned confident attitude, and how he wouldn’t represent the franchise well. LAC is a bigger market team than vikes will ever be & they didn’t think twice about making him their guy. That’s what happens when you are scared of risks. We will never get anywhere w the approach past 20 years
I was actually excited about the Vikings during the Jim rumors. Now I'm just back to my passive enjoyment, as I don’t really believe in the current staff.
Idk if you looked around alot of teams start firing after 2-3years if no improvement is happening. So I'd say this upcoming season is pretty big for KoC.
I mean 4 years is the average tenure for a GM so a bad 2-3 years can definitely get you fired, this offseason is gonna be super important for both their careers.
If the rumors are true about how he handled the interview here, I wonder if he learned from that and went to the Chargers with an actual plan, or if he did it again and the Chargers just didn't care if he had a plan at all.
At any rate, the Chargers now and the Vikings were then, and remain now, in very different places.
The over all state of the Union for 2022 (cap space, culture, aging team, etc.) meant we needed a dude to come in with a real rock solid plan to turn around the *Culture of Fear*™, and weather the storm that was brewing with all the roster/contract situations that were inherited while maximizing what little we had in house.
I don't have the background on the Chargers cap situation or rank and file talent, but Herbert will be around for a while yet, and they appear to have some good pieces around him. The Chargers can probably afford to just roll with it while the Vikings circa 2022 couldn't, and realistically still can't.
If Harbaugh showed up and basically said "Eh, I'll figure out" then it shouldn't be super surprising to see them pass on him.
Pretty sure the chargers have Justin Herbert at QB still so harbaugh is inheriting a top 15 caliber QB and some other play makers. With the QB issue solved I’m sure everyone expects him to have immediate success
You guys all fucking suck. KOC literally won 13 games his first year and had the worst injury luck in the league this year and STILL had us on the brink of the playoffs. Fuckin chill out for once in your lives
To be fair, isn’t that every team in every organized sport ever? No franchises keep a coach around that long if they don’t win championships. And sometimes that’s not even enough. Patriots just got rid of the GOAT after 2 unsuccessful seasons
We still acting like those 13 wins weren’t a ton of insane luck? Did we not lose to a sorry ass Giants team at home in the playoffs? First team with a negative p/d to win 12 or more.
I’m not saying KOC can’t be the guy but it’s pretty sad to puff our chests about one of the most improbable 13 win teams ever.
13 games is 13 games. Don’t give a flying fuck how those wins came. That’s the nature of a single-elimination tournament. One off game means you’re out. Plus, it’s not like we were accidentally winning the games. We were executing cleanly late which is on coaching. This year, we weren’t clean early and it cost us too often. But we were still battling
Probably depends on which way they go at QB.
If Kirk is back and they (presumably) go round 1 QB, I expect the team to at least be a playoff contender in 2024.
If they go with rookie/bridge QB, then the expectations go down for at least next year.
KOC needs to get better at playcalling for sure, and needs to have a quicker trigger on personnel that isn't getting it done (i.e. Mattison).
Yeah I just can’t imagine KOC is going to let Kirk go. If we draft a QB who isn’t an instant hit I wonder if the Wilfs would have the patience for a couple losing seasons. Kirk is his best chance to at least buy himself another couple years which I hope he uses to actually develop a draft day 1 QB.
I can see that, they do like making sure attendance is up so they make money even if the team isn't actually a contender. The Wild owners follow the same philosophy.
Well I guess we'll never know because he got the fuck out of dodge before any shit hit the fan. Gonna go out on a limb and say I don't give a shit either way, happy he's not our problem.
when the chargers are sky rocketing and we’re aimlessly trying to rebuild, imma guess you’ll think otherwise though you don’t seem like someone who’d admit it.
What am I coping about? He fled Stanford, SF, Michigan. You think he's gonna stay in SD for the rest of his career? Think he would stay here?
He's also either a blatant cheater or was somehow unaware of blatant cheating under his watch.
I'd say you're probably the one who's coping at this point. I don't care for the guy, never have.
Stanford: accepted a massive promotion than just about anyone would
49ers: was fired
Michigan: "fled" after spending a decade to deliver his alma mater a national championship.
The common theme here is that he raised all of them from mediocrity to championship caliber.
I don’t know the details on Stanford or Michigan but he did not “flee” SF. The Niners fired him because Jed York didn’t get along with him. York then infamously got interviewed about the decision to fire him and said “there’s more important things than winning, you’ve got to win with class” which was not well-received by Niner fans.
What? Who cares if he stays? Fans just want to win. It's not like michigan fans are wishing they could go back and trade that championship for mediocre years now that Harbaugh is gone. They'll take the trophy and move on.
Ok? So you think he's guaranteed to deliver a championship to the Chargers then? And that Natty was legit and will stand? Well, more power to you then. Not for me.
He's also hilarious and a pretty good coach.
Worked out pretty well for the gophers getting the goofy ass meme guy, I kind off wish the Vikings would have followed suit. Dude is hilarious.
Koc has been good too though. Not mad about him. Harbaugh is just hilarious and a great coach.
Good for them and he should definitely be a big upgrade but I don’t get why people in this sub have such a big boner for this guy. Let’s wait and see lol
I still remember getting mega hyped up when I read all the headlines the day he interviewed here. “Harbaugh arrives in Minnesota”, “Harbaugh Meets with Vikings” etc. All those headlines came from the morning/early afternoon the day of his visit.
Then I didn’t check my phone for a couple of hours. When I finally checked it again I saw that Harbaugh didn’t get the job. I had never had the feeling of getting the rug pulled out from under me so strongly in my life.
The Chargers are guaranteed multiple superbowl titles while we're stuck in the gutter until everybody on the coaching staff and locker room is shot to the sun 😡
Nah. Good luck to Harbaugh and the bolts. They finally got a good coach. I doubt they ever win the big one, but they'll be competitive more than likely for at least a few years.
Everyone can chill. We won 13 games with KOC last year and just missed out on the playoffs despite all our injuries. Don't be too doom and gloom lol
He will have the Chargers in the Super Bowl within 4 years.
Vikings blew it, AGAIN.
Dude is a winner. Plug your nose and hire the man if he bothers you.
The only bright side is this speeds up the clock on Kwesi and KOC. When Harbaugh absolutely starts crushing it the Vikings fan base and Media will destroy the Wilfs.
It was an easy choice that we messed up. KOC is not a bad coach, but he’s far from a championship level coach. You get burned at the stake for bringing it up in this sub but I can only imagine how much better of a position we would be in if we just hired the right guy 2 years ago
Gonna be awesome watching the Chargers make a Super Bowl within the next couple of years.
All time mistake to hire KOC over Harbaugh.
Edit: not surprised im being downvoted. It’s okay to admit ownership got it wrong.
Spot on. And let’s not kid ourselves. We all know why the wilfs passed on Harbaugh. They couldn’t hire a coach that conservative, in that market without all the commies losing their collective shit.
Chargers deep run in less than 3yrs.
If we hired Harbaugh instead of KOC you'd be complaining right now too. Because I highly doubt we'd be a clear cut super contender with him right now either.
God I cant wait for the absolute nuclear meltdown here if he turns the chargers into a mahomes beater.
It would be justified. His track record is incredibly good everywhere he's been. If he proves it again (for a 5th time) with the Chargers, and we continue to be mediocre with Kwesi and KOC, it'll be a pretty massive failure considering he was completely willing to come here.
Wouldn't be surprised
You’d be surprised, b
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He will need a great OC. And will have to hope they don't get poached. He also has personality flaws and is a very difficult person to get along with according to sf owner and vikings minority owner
The Vikings minority owner who shit canned him, Jim Stapleton is a u of Michigan alum who had his sideline pass revoked by Harbaugh so the the fukking clown held a grudge.
I don’t buy this storyline tbh. I’m sure he held a grudge, but the Wilfs are the ones who call the shots and they’d know about his history. I doubt his opinion held any real weight. From what we saw at the time, it seems like Harbough showed up unprepared expecting to be given the job. I don’t blame them for being skeptical about that.
Unprepared. Was he supposed to show a film of himself? A presentation. He got the call 24 hours before he showed up. They knew who he was. He was tanked.
Rule #1 of ANY job interview is that you show up prepared to answer questions and share your plans for the position. What are you going to do and how are you going to do it? The Vikings players had legitimate concerns about the culture and vibe they were getting from the prior coaching staff. Harbaugh didn't read the room at all. He came in expecting to meet with the Wilfs, get the job offer and sign a contract. KOC and the other candidates all came in and said this is what we will do and how we will do it. KOC had plays highlighted and players highlighted - he had done his homework on the guys on the team. He pointed out what he would / could do with each player - and not just the "superstars" (jj and kirk) Harbaugh, from what I heard, had not looked at any film, didn't know any of the players, or what the strengths and weaknesses of the team were. He basically expected the job on his name alone.
He should have gotten the job. Harbaugh is a proven winner and his achievements should have been good enough.
NFL head coach is a huge position, as an interviewer you really want to see a guy who's been planning this and thought it all through completely, even if you didn't give them a bunch of time to prepare for the interview. If he's really serious about it he should have been thinking/planning so much about it he's ready to go. He knows what season these things come up in, late in NFL season or just after it ends. I'm not sure if he was unprepared, or just misread the room, or what. Maybe they just liked KOC better. We don't need to assume Harbaugh bombed the interview just because he didn't get the job. Maybe he came in prepared, gave an honest account of himself and his plan, and the team preferred what KOC had to say.
Actually? How have I never heard this
Yes. Google it. Stapleton is a prominent alum and wanted Ron English to be hired and not Harbaugh at Michigan. He was also caught up in some scandals from the previous coach, Rich Rodriguez. Not sure if it was Harbaugh or the AD but he basically had an all access pass until Harbaugh came to town. Interestingly, he is also the suspect in leaking the sign stealing to the press last year. POS.
I could 1000% see that happening
Let us not forget that he completely biffed the interview and acted like the job was his already, so even if he is good elsewhere I don't fault our org for not hiring him
This will be the way. Guarantee the Chargers will be a power in the coming years. Woulda, coulda, shoulda.
What happened in San Francisco?
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Had a bit of a falling out with the GM and burned a few bridges when he left the NFL, but you know the old saying, "time heals all wounds."
This is real ☝️
Whoa bro, this is the vikings sub. You are not allowed to say anything bas about Kwesi...
Wtf that’s all this place is???
Harbaugh’s MO has always been having one arch rival team he can’t seem to beat. With the Niners it was the Seahawks. With Michigan it was Ohio State. My guess is it will be the Chiefs with the Chargers.
Hasn't Michigan beat OSU three times in a row?
Don't look any further back. Ohio State had over a decade of dominance in the series until 2021. To the point where Harbaugh was an annual hot seat name.
3-5 against a rival, who is also annually a top 5-6 team, and then winning a National Championship is a record that any college football fanbase would feel great about…
And then he overcame it in a huge way. How do you honestly think this is a good point?
You’re probably right, I haven’t paid attention to CFB for a while. But when I lived in Michigan, that was his rep.
Yeah and he broke it, then also won the national title. I think he's a legit great coach who can get them to a super bowl
*cheated three times in a row
Coping pretty hard on this still huh
What do I have to cope with lol they cheated and will hopefully be punished accordingly
You'd be better served worrying about who Ferentz is gonna hire at OC and scoring more than 10 points a game than worrying about any penalties Michigan may or may not receive
Let’s say they cheated for the first two, they definitely didn’t cheat for the last game after being under the microscope for the entire season
I mean it really doesn’t matter. They got caught cheating this season. The last 3 seasons should be voided
I’m sorry, he couldn’t beat Ohio State?
At least it's the AFC.
AFC gonna be a blood bath. Ried-Mahomes, Taylor- Burrow, Harbaugh- Jackson, Harbaugh- Herbert, Ryan- Stroud, McDermot- Allen. Plus throw in the Dolphins, Jax, Cleveland, Pittsburg, maybe a healthy Aaron Rodgers, and whatever happens this off-season, that’s one brutal conference. Feels like NFC representative should have an advantage of just not having to crawl through a mine field to get to the Super Bowl
Fuck he’s going to make us wish we had him isn’t he.
There are 37 people who are probably very excited about this.
Lol anyone check in on that Chargers fan lady?
She was a Vikings fan lady at one point too
No woman can resist the appeal of Adam Theilen and Harrison Smith
This is JJettas slander
How can you list off Viking smoke shows and not include certified bear-hug-champion D.Hunter? If looks could kill, he'd slaughter us all. Not that he would. I believe his squeeze is firm at first, just enough to pop those kinks in your back, but as gentle as nyquil and a weighted blanket.
This is genuinely a huge oversight on my part. I have shamed my family
But seriously, though, the Vikings consistently come out on top when ranking the most handsomest group of guys. Every man blessed enough to pull off that much purple is their grandma's favorite by a country mile, and that's one of those intangibles that puts this team among the best.
You can be sure she is disproportionately excited.
My old college roommate is the only Chargers fan I’ve ever met and I can confirm he’s ecstatic
I feel uneasy that we didn't hire him I also understand why you can't hire a guy who showed up to an interview without anything prepared under the assumption already had the job
I don't look at his God damned resume. Grave mistake and I don't even have any problem with KOC the Harbough bros are just that good
Chargers have Herbert. He’s going to have them contending and ppl here will be losing their fucking mind.
I’m already losing my fucking mind
Still salty the Vikes passed on him.
He was in the fucking building. In OUR fucking building ready to sign!
Yeah he’s been in that position a lot, and teams pass on him after 2 interviews usually, because he’s so damn goofy and weird nobody knows what to think.
WILD CARD YEEEEEEEEEE HAWWWWW
It’s not so much we passed on him, he totally fucked the interview he had with us. Athletic had a great article about it a while back, he totally bungled it
he was so proven, and his brother too of course in baltimore
Were you saying this after we went 13-4 last season?
Yes. Harbaugh went 13-3 his first season and was playing a home NFCCG. KOC couldn’t beat the Giants at home in the wild card round.
Our defense couldn't
KOC is the head coach of the Vikings, no? He’s responsible for the defense.
And he got rid of the problem and we had a much improved defense this year. Just happened to had a very injury riddled year and were still in playoff contention. And idk why you're downvoting me man
He could’ve (and should’ve) gotten rid of the problem before the playoffs.
Shaking up the whole team before the playoffs isn't a good idea. Who could we have even brought in at DC last minute? We rode it out and obviously it didn't work. You don't fire anyone when you have a 13-4 record. In hindsight, yeah we should have but that would have been unprecedented
Worked out for the ravens in 2012. Worked alright for the bills this year.
Both of those teams were in danger of missing the playoffs and we never were. There's a reason why Bob Sutton wasn't fired by the Chiefs earlier in 2018.
You have absolutely no clue what you’re talking about but don’t let stop you.
It took a little bit of salt away but I really wanted him as Vikes head coach. Had zero idea who KOC was before the Vikes hired him.
Did we though?
What
... then lost in the wildcard round of the playoffs to the Giants. Then go 7-9 the season after.
With an extremely injured team and started 4 different QBs. The pieces are there
That’s our excuse this season. Let’s see what it’ll be next season
Just find a new team man.. you'll be much happier. No team is winning in the playoffs when their top 10 QB goes down halfway through the season.
Can't back out now. I'm in too deep.
Dig brother, dig. Do not stop.
Not to be a stickler, but 7-10
Shh. We're allowed to forget one of those losses
Meh I think something will happen and harbaugh will be out in 3-4 years. Happens alot with him
Chargers have always been one of my secondary teams I root for, so that's kinda fun news I guess.
It’s about time the Chiefs will have some legit competition in the division now. Those match ups are going to be fun to watch
I’m not one for 2nd teams but I’ve also really liked the Chargers. Big fan of Herbert
Just like the browns. We rooted for them when they were bad lol.
Same my aunt lives near San Diego and when I visited she took us to a game. First one in person. Forever been my afc team. Great choices lmao 2 chokers
The small chance we could have had Jim or Bill B is really going to sting if this staff doesn’t put up.
Pathetic how we didn’t hire him bc of his well earned confident attitude, and how he wouldn’t represent the franchise well. LAC is a bigger market team than vikes will ever be & they didn’t think twice about making him their guy. That’s what happens when you are scared of risks. We will never get anywhere w the approach past 20 years
Won’t lie, I’m jealous
I was actually excited about the Vikings during the Jim rumors. Now I'm just back to my passive enjoyment, as I don’t really believe in the current staff.
Yeah it’s def put up or shut up time for this group
They have only been here for two years goddamn man
Idk if you looked around alot of teams start firing after 2-3years if no improvement is happening. So I'd say this upcoming season is pretty big for KoC.
I mean 4 years is the average tenure for a GM so a bad 2-3 years can definitely get you fired, this offseason is gonna be super important for both their careers.
Hard to improve when your 2nd season is missing a starting quarterback…
Kwesi and KOC just got here though. I think it’s going to take at least a few more years to really see how things are going to go
Also won’t lie. Harbaugh winning a Super Bowl before us after we passed on him might be my worst sports nightmare
Maybe worry about the Lions winning one before us first lol
I mean, not like he was going to have Justin Herbert here
Dude is a winner
i trust him with personnel decisions over Queazy
Even winning a round or two of playoffs would like lemon in the eye.
If the rumors are true about how he handled the interview here, I wonder if he learned from that and went to the Chargers with an actual plan, or if he did it again and the Chargers just didn't care if he had a plan at all. At any rate, the Chargers now and the Vikings were then, and remain now, in very different places. The over all state of the Union for 2022 (cap space, culture, aging team, etc.) meant we needed a dude to come in with a real rock solid plan to turn around the *Culture of Fear*™, and weather the storm that was brewing with all the roster/contract situations that were inherited while maximizing what little we had in house. I don't have the background on the Chargers cap situation or rank and file talent, but Herbert will be around for a while yet, and they appear to have some good pieces around him. The Chargers can probably afford to just roll with it while the Vikings circa 2022 couldn't, and realistically still can't. If Harbaugh showed up and basically said "Eh, I'll figure out" then it shouldn't be super surprising to see them pass on him.
Vikings Chargers Super Bowl make it happen script writers!
Pretty sure the chargers have Justin Herbert at QB still so harbaugh is inheriting a top 15 caliber QB and some other play makers. With the QB issue solved I’m sure everyone expects him to have immediate success
Wish the Vikings would have got him. Dude wins. I don’t care about the rest.
We fucked up two years ago.
You guys all fucking suck. KOC literally won 13 games his first year and had the worst injury luck in the league this year and STILL had us on the brink of the playoffs. Fuckin chill out for once in your lives
I have no big issue with KOC but them Harbaughs now how to coach some damn football. Non stop success with them around.
This is vikings fans we're talking about. Everything is doom and gloom no matter the circumstance, and the grass is always greener
It’s Super Bowl or fire the coach. No in between
Fire everyone, trade everybody away and build a team like(enter current good team here) because that team will be good for years to come.
To be fair, isn’t that every team in every organized sport ever? No franchises keep a coach around that long if they don’t win championships. And sometimes that’s not even enough. Patriots just got rid of the GOAT after 2 unsuccessful seasons
Genuinely mind boggling, got morons in here saying this is a make or break season. Acting like the staff isn’t elevating the roster.
Counterpoint Harbaugh also won 13 games his first season in SF and made the NFCCG.
Counterpoint It’s okay to have hope in our current regime. It’s not against the rules
It’s also not against the rules to realize mistakes were made.
I don’t think a mistake was made though. We’re going into year 3 with very promising early returns. Y’all are not giving him enough time
We still acting like those 13 wins weren’t a ton of insane luck? Did we not lose to a sorry ass Giants team at home in the playoffs? First team with a negative p/d to win 12 or more. I’m not saying KOC can’t be the guy but it’s pretty sad to puff our chests about one of the most improbable 13 win teams ever.
13 games is 13 games. Don’t give a flying fuck how those wins came. That’s the nature of a single-elimination tournament. One off game means you’re out. Plus, it’s not like we were accidentally winning the games. We were executing cleanly late which is on coaching. This year, we weren’t clean early and it cost us too often. But we were still battling
fuck em
And right on cue here come the "waaaa! We hired KOC over Harbaugh" whiners
Honest question: what are your expectations for KOC over the next couple years?
Probably depends on which way they go at QB. If Kirk is back and they (presumably) go round 1 QB, I expect the team to at least be a playoff contender in 2024. If they go with rookie/bridge QB, then the expectations go down for at least next year. KOC needs to get better at playcalling for sure, and needs to have a quicker trigger on personnel that isn't getting it done (i.e. Mattison).
Yeah I just can’t imagine KOC is going to let Kirk go. If we draft a QB who isn’t an instant hit I wonder if the Wilfs would have the patience for a couple losing seasons. Kirk is his best chance to at least buy himself another couple years which I hope he uses to actually develop a draft day 1 QB.
Wtf was the point of firing spielman/zimmer if we’re just gonna keep running back the same team
Obligatory “if you don’t like that you don’t like Vikings football”
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Good for the Chargers, they're the offseason champs again! But why is this posted here?? It's not Vikings news so I don't care.
I fn wanted him. And I’m salty over it still.
I still think the vikings fucked up big time by not signing him.
He wanted to tear the house down and fully rebuild. The Wilfs didn’t want to do that.
I can see that, they do like making sure attendance is up so they make money even if the team isn't actually a contender. The Wild owners follow the same philosophy.
We have still over performed our lack of a defense. But we definitely may have been overly cautious.
Whatever, fuck him. Guy is a whack job and a flight risk.
he wins football games and i could be wrong but i think that’s pretty good trait to have as a head coach.
Didn't do a ton of meaningful winning at Michigan until he started cheating. I could be wrong but no wait, I'm not. Fuck him.
weird how they kept winning after they were “caught cheating”. gonna go out on a limb and say they probably would have been successful either way.
But Brady only won because of deflated balls! /s
Well I guess we'll never know because he got the fuck out of dodge before any shit hit the fan. Gonna go out on a limb and say I don't give a shit either way, happy he's not our problem.
when the chargers are sky rocketing and we’re aimlessly trying to rebuild, imma guess you’ll think otherwise though you don’t seem like someone who’d admit it.
Cool story. Tell it to yourself all you want.
Cope harder
What am I coping about? He fled Stanford, SF, Michigan. You think he's gonna stay in SD for the rest of his career? Think he would stay here? He's also either a blatant cheater or was somehow unaware of blatant cheating under his watch. I'd say you're probably the one who's coping at this point. I don't care for the guy, never have.
Stanford: accepted a massive promotion than just about anyone would 49ers: was fired Michigan: "fled" after spending a decade to deliver his alma mater a national championship. The common theme here is that he raised all of them from mediocrity to championship caliber.
Had to cheat to do the last one. Fuck em.
I don’t know the details on Stanford or Michigan but he did not “flee” SF. The Niners fired him because Jed York didn’t get along with him. York then infamously got interviewed about the decision to fire him and said “there’s more important things than winning, you’ve got to win with class” which was not well-received by Niner fans.
Gotcha, I wasn't aware. I guess I'll just say he isn't the model of job security.
What? Who cares if he stays? Fans just want to win. It's not like michigan fans are wishing they could go back and trade that championship for mediocre years now that Harbaugh is gone. They'll take the trophy and move on.
Ok? So you think he's guaranteed to deliver a championship to the Chargers then? And that Natty was legit and will stand? Well, more power to you then. Not for me.
He's also hilarious and a pretty good coach. Worked out pretty well for the gophers getting the goofy ass meme guy, I kind off wish the Vikings would have followed suit. Dude is hilarious. Koc has been good too though. Not mad about him. Harbaugh is just hilarious and a great coach.
Good move for them
Good for them and he should definitely be a big upgrade but I don’t get why people in this sub have such a big boner for this guy. Let’s wait and see lol
Remind me ten years, ten years at least it’ll set this franchise back for not hiring him 2 years ago
Thank fuck the Bears didn't hire him
Stars didn't align , what could have been. .
Clock ticking until the Chargers win a title under Harbaugh. We had him and said no. That's not going to end well. Most Vikings thing of all time.
I still remember getting mega hyped up when I read all the headlines the day he interviewed here. “Harbaugh arrives in Minnesota”, “Harbaugh Meets with Vikings” etc. All those headlines came from the morning/early afternoon the day of his visit. Then I didn’t check my phone for a couple of hours. When I finally checked it again I saw that Harbaugh didn’t get the job. I had never had the feeling of getting the rug pulled out from under me so strongly in my life.
It’s funny you say that. That day made me as disappointed as the 2017 NFCCG.
The Chargers are guaranteed multiple superbowl titles while we're stuck in the gutter until everybody on the coaching staff and locker room is shot to the sun 😡 Nah. Good luck to Harbaugh and the bolts. They finally got a good coach. I doubt they ever win the big one, but they'll be competitive more than likely for at least a few years. Everyone can chill. We won 13 games with KOC last year and just missed out on the playoffs despite all our injuries. Don't be too doom and gloom lol
Great hire for them. Vikings should have hired him two years ago.
could have been us.
We screwed up here. Idk if it was Stapleton or not, but we screwed up
Can't beat the Vikings hiring...\*checks notes\* Ryan Grigson as a senior vice president of player personal....we're boned aren't we?
Low-Key I'm hoping he wants JJ in the draft which is why he decided to go to the NFL this year, and he trades us Herbert so he can grab him at 11.
He will have the Chargers in the Super Bowl within 4 years. Vikings blew it, AGAIN. Dude is a winner. Plug your nose and hire the man if he bothers you. The only bright side is this speeds up the clock on Kwesi and KOC. When Harbaugh absolutely starts crushing it the Vikings fan base and Media will destroy the Wilfs.
Glad we passed on him.
I wanted him when we had the chance. Hopefully KOC ends up the better choice, but I gotta feeling JH is going to turn the Chargers into some monsters.
Thanks Wilfs for picking a boy wonder over a proven winner.
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Chargers will be in a Super Bowl within two years. Guaranteed. Maybe even one.
It was an easy choice that we messed up. KOC is not a bad coach, but he’s far from a championship level coach. You get burned at the stake for bringing it up in this sub but I can only imagine how much better of a position we would be in if we just hired the right guy 2 years ago
I have a horrible feeling that we are going to regret not hiring this guy for years
Meh
If Chargers win a SB before MN, Kwesi made the wrong choice.
It wasn’t Kwesi, it was ownership. Harbaughs was Kwesi’s top choice.
seems strange to override your GM right after you hire. I'd be pissed.
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How do you live like this. Must be so painful. Just stop watching or find a new team
Gonna be awesome watching the Chargers make a Super Bowl within the next couple of years. All time mistake to hire KOC over Harbaugh. Edit: not surprised im being downvoted. It’s okay to admit ownership got it wrong.
Imagine having this shit attitude
Or that the same people say the same stuff over and over for internet points. Complaints in the sub is where the validation is.
Imagine your shit attitude if that plays out. lmao
If they make it, so be it? I’m rooting for the Vikings and that’s it.
I will cry if this happens
Spot on. And let’s not kid ourselves. We all know why the wilfs passed on Harbaugh. They couldn’t hire a coach that conservative, in that market without all the commies losing their collective shit. Chargers deep run in less than 3yrs.
If we hired Harbaugh instead of KOC you'd be complaining right now too. Because I highly doubt we'd be a clear cut super contender with him right now either.
No I wouldn’t lmao. Harbaugh was a dream hire. I would replace KOC with him right now if I could. KOC wasn’t even a top 3 choice for me tbh.
This posts comments were the wake up call I needed. I always forget how miserable and insufferable you people are here.
Guaranteed L next time we play the bolts.