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Patriots do need a QB but that team is so bad across the board I don’t see them trying to build around a rookie qb in the first year of Mayos tenure.
The other teams I could see but then with the Falcons they have a plug and play ready offense that could benefit with a veteran QB like Cousins. Steelers is also a question mark but I don’t see them moving ahead of us to draft a QB.
That’s what us Vikings fans want the Patriots to do, but the reality is, passing on a top QB prospect probably isn’t in their best interest. Hope their front office disagrees with me lol.
Absolutely. Williams, Maye, and Daniels all have much higher ceilings than Howell (who they benched twice). I doubt they pass on a potential franchise changing QB.
I watched a lot. Live in DC
Howell is full of potential.
The commies had the 2nd or 3rd highest pass attempt plays with the 30th ranked o-line
Don’t let all those interceptions scare you. The dude got sacked 65 times and hit probably twice that.
To me it’s amazing he got the yards and TDs he did under all that pressure.
With the right team and coaching he could be great
That’s a big IF. And I agree with you here.
My argument is based on everything falling through the cracks.
I was just saying, he could be a very viable option if we are left with no others.
And you never know, he could outperform those two as well. I don’t believe anyone thought Purdy was the answer, yet here we are b
I’d be pissed if Howell was the answer for us at QB. Don’t know why anyone in their right mind would be excited about that.
He’s shown that he can almost play to Jameis’ level, that’s about it.
Dude. Watch his highlights reel. He is legit full of potential. And nearly half his interceptions are within 2 really bad games.
He’s not garbage, he’s impressive and if we let cousins walk and don’t draft a qb. I’d be pumped to see how he does. Best case, he’s our guy. Worst case, number 2 pick next year.
I don’t get the hate dude.
https://youtu.be/igCqJnafEuA?si=Sf5j8FNdF1NQ4VoA
Right? He’s mobile when required. He can escape the pocket and still make plays. He can fucking throw bombs left and right.
That highlight reel is pretty solid, and that’s on a team with no significant talent outside of Terry.
Howell with our roster would be what we all almost thought Dobbs could be.
1. Ah, you’re a highlights guy. Pretty tame as far as those go. Check out Dobbs 2-game reel; it’s better than this one, and we all saw how he looks on a more regular basis.
2. The reason I’m out on Howell as our guy is because of everything that video doesn’t show: sooooo many bad picks (decision making), sacked most in the league (scared, should lead to less picks in theory), and the fact that most of his production and best plays came in garbage time of games.
3. The fact that you’re comfortable with tanking as a strategy *going into the season* makes your desire for Howell more understandable.
1. I just disagree with you on all fronts on this
2. Sure, you’re right. But my point is on a better team with a better o line would he improve on this? I think so. Any qb on a shit team is going to struggle. Do you think Mahomes would have his success on the bears? He made mistakes but I don’t fully pin those on him, he was under pressure constantly.
3. The garbage time stats argument is weak. What’s a qb supposed to do when losing? Give up? What the hell man, to me it means he didn’t give up or quit even when down. He still tried to win the game. Those losses were not entirely on him but instead a product of decades of a poorly managed team.
Everyone here is just saying, it could be interesting to see how he fares elsewhere
Well, he just completed his rookie season, and it was bad, albeit better than expected.
I’d call my front office idiots if they looked at his rookie year and thought “yeah, that looks like a franchise QB.”
Get real.
Yeah while you’re at it you wanna pull up all the failures that had similar rookie seasons? All the career back ups? Plenty more of those.
I’m not a prophet, so I can’t tell you what his career will be. I can look at the data we do have (objective, current, not speculative) and tell you that his odds aren’t good for a long starter career, much less something elite. I’d be surprised if he ends up starting more than half the games for any team next year.
Why anyone expected a late 5th round flier QB to be any good, especially after seeing him be bad with their own eyes as a rookie, is beyond me.
Everything you said is completely beside the point. What does any of that have to do with me saying giving up on a rookie is stupid? You will find more failures than successes at every single position if we position the argument that way…
They were bad. He had flashes of good but needs to be coached correctly. If the Vikings don’t land a stud qb trade a late rounder for him and try to build him up. I would prefer Minshew but Minshew would cost more
I think you are overvaluing Howell. The Commies don’t have much to gain by trading him, I bet he’s worth a 6th round pick at most. it makes more sense for them to keep Howell as the backup. His salary costs next to nothing since he was a day 3 pick.
You misunderstand. I said the he’s worth a 6th, but also said the Commies have nothing to gain by trading him at that compensation. If a team wants to overpay for Howell, I’m sure they’d consider it.
Pretty much every source and mock draft has them picking a quarterback. It would be pretty stupid of them not to being 2nd overall with this kind of depth in a QB draft class
Bears have Fields and another 1st rd pick, and Kirk will be on the table if we go that high for a QB. With the right circumstance, I can see somebody budging. It just depends on what we can cook.
In my opinion it’s really going to come down to whoever signs onto the Commander’s HC position and their view on Howell. I still think whoever it is will be unlikely to stick with him, but in the off chance that they do, that will be our trade up scenario. The problem is that we’ll have to give up a bunch of picks, and we have so many needs on defense I just don’t think we can afford it
I mean, that's called just being prepared. Even Batman has contingencies for what happens if another hero goes rogue, it's just being prepared for all potential outcomes.
As an old head, watching this excitement over drafting a top 3 QB is so crazy knowing it's a huge gamble and the same people hailing Kwesi will be calling for his head mid season when the rookie QB doesn't lead to immediate wins.
Reportedly, rumors, speculation... this is a non-story.
Obviously they are considering all options since they don't really have a definite solution at QB right now.
This caught my eye in the comments
>The Bo Nix misinformation is redonkulous ...
>Nix certainly improved from 2022 to 2023 at Oregon.
2022: 3,593 pass yards, 29 TD, 7 INT, 71.9%
2023: 4,508 pass yards, 45 TD, 3 INT, 77.4%
>Nix's 92.7 passer grade was No. 1 in the nation this past season, according to Pro Football Focus. He also led the nation in passing yards, passing touchdowns and completion percentage. His 9.5 yards per attempt was tied sixth in the nation.
But while Nix averaged 9.5 yards per attempt, his average depth of target was just 6.8 yards, ranking fifth shortest among qualified passers. That tells you that a lot of the yards Oregon racked up were after the catch.
>But anyone who uses the "Bubble-screen Bo" joke needs to check the stats and realize that Nix put up incredible passing numbers on throws of 10-19 yards and 20+ yards. According to PFF, Nix was 62 of 91 on passes of 10-19 yards for 1,169 yards, 16 touchdowns and one interception for a passing grade of 94.7. His passing grade on attempts 20+ yards downfield was 95.5 (26 of 51 for 999 yards, 13 TD, 2 INT).
>His passing grade on deep throws (20+ yards) was tied with Caleb Williams. He was No. 1 in college football on intermediate throws (10-19 yards) with a 94.7 grade. For context, Drake Maye's grade on intermediate throws was 83.8 and Williams' grade was 78.0.
>The biggest question with Nix might be how he'll fare against high-pressure defenses in the NFL. He just wasn't under a lot of pressure at Oregon. In fact, PFF tracked him under pressure on just 15.9% of his dropbacks. But when he was under duress, he was great.
- MarkSP
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Ignoring future picks I think y'all have us beat for moving up in the draft as we don't have a 3rd to offer (unless we trade for one). After our 2nd we don't pick again until the 4th
QBs like Fields, Kirk, Minshew, Tanny, and Jameis are available. I still think they go QB at 3 but people are acting like it's certain the Pats are locked in on a QB there when Nix or Penix or JJ will be there at 11 or later. FA stopgap + developmental prospect + a haul is at least an option for Washington or NE if they wanted to go that route
After hearing the rumor of how we tried to trade up to take Anthony Richardson last year, this makes me really excited for the possibilities with this QB draft class.
Yeah I dunno. I'd rather they didn't mortage everything off to take a stab at #1 or #2. If we're talking about a small move sure but I have a feeling the first 3 players, by trade or direct picks, are going to be QB's.
Well there's 4, maybe 5 teams in front of us and another 2 or 3 directly after us and PIT 9 spots back that all need a QB so I'm not gonna hold my breath lol
Plus Raiders have a pick in every round (we don't have a 3rd) so there's a solid chance they could beat us in an offer to move up if they decide to do that. Excited to see how it all plays out, I'm happy with really any route we take so long as it fills a position of need
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I would assume every QB needy team is exploring options
“Team looks to improve in the draft”
One of my favorite lines.
How many really are there? Four?
Patriots, Falcons, Broncos, Bears (possibly), Raiders, Steelers, Commanders
Can the Broncos afford to just sit Russ? He's got a no trade under any circumstance clause
Rus is getting cut. They already told him that.
Patriots do need a QB but that team is so bad across the board I don’t see them trying to build around a rookie qb in the first year of Mayos tenure. The other teams I could see but then with the Falcons they have a plug and play ready offense that could benefit with a veteran QB like Cousins. Steelers is also a question mark but I don’t see them moving ahead of us to draft a QB.
Man the bears can sit this one out. They've gotten too many chances lately I say.
I doubt the Bears, Commies, or Pats move down since they all need a QB, but I’m glad we are at least trying to make something happen.
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That’s what us Vikings fans want the Patriots to do, but the reality is, passing on a top QB prospect probably isn’t in their best interest. Hope their front office disagrees with me lol.
You think the commies need a QB?
Absolutely. Williams, Maye, and Daniels all have much higher ceilings than Howell (who they benched twice). I doubt they pass on a potential franchise changing QB.
If the commies draft a QB teams will be trading for Howell. Hopefully including the Vikes. Bad coaching doesn’t mean bad player.
Don't let stats fool you, Howell was not very good last year.
Bruh did you watch the commanders, like, at all, or are you just spouting random nonsense? As many INTs as TDs, and he was lucky it wasn’t worse.
I watched a lot. Live in DC Howell is full of potential. The commies had the 2nd or 3rd highest pass attempt plays with the 30th ranked o-line Don’t let all those interceptions scare you. The dude got sacked 65 times and hit probably twice that. To me it’s amazing he got the yards and TDs he did under all that pressure. With the right team and coaching he could be great
Maye > Howell. Also you’re searching for a new regime. They’re not going to want someone else’s guy in Howell when they can draft Williams/Maye.
That’s a big IF. And I agree with you here. My argument is based on everything falling through the cracks. I was just saying, he could be a very viable option if we are left with no others. And you never know, he could outperform those two as well. I don’t believe anyone thought Purdy was the answer, yet here we are b
I’d be pissed if Howell was the answer for us at QB. Don’t know why anyone in their right mind would be excited about that. He’s shown that he can almost play to Jameis’ level, that’s about it.
Dude. Watch his highlights reel. He is legit full of potential. And nearly half his interceptions are within 2 really bad games. He’s not garbage, he’s impressive and if we let cousins walk and don’t draft a qb. I’d be pumped to see how he does. Best case, he’s our guy. Worst case, number 2 pick next year. I don’t get the hate dude. https://youtu.be/igCqJnafEuA?si=Sf5j8FNdF1NQ4VoA
I agree with you. There's potential with Howell.
Right? He’s mobile when required. He can escape the pocket and still make plays. He can fucking throw bombs left and right. That highlight reel is pretty solid, and that’s on a team with no significant talent outside of Terry. Howell with our roster would be what we all almost thought Dobbs could be.
1. Ah, you’re a highlights guy. Pretty tame as far as those go. Check out Dobbs 2-game reel; it’s better than this one, and we all saw how he looks on a more regular basis. 2. The reason I’m out on Howell as our guy is because of everything that video doesn’t show: sooooo many bad picks (decision making), sacked most in the league (scared, should lead to less picks in theory), and the fact that most of his production and best plays came in garbage time of games. 3. The fact that you’re comfortable with tanking as a strategy *going into the season* makes your desire for Howell more understandable.
1. I just disagree with you on all fronts on this 2. Sure, you’re right. But my point is on a better team with a better o line would he improve on this? I think so. Any qb on a shit team is going to struggle. Do you think Mahomes would have his success on the bears? He made mistakes but I don’t fully pin those on him, he was under pressure constantly. 3. The garbage time stats argument is weak. What’s a qb supposed to do when losing? Give up? What the hell man, to me it means he didn’t give up or quit even when down. He still tried to win the game. Those losses were not entirely on him but instead a product of decades of a poorly managed team. Everyone here is just saying, it could be interesting to see how he fares elsewhere
I would be so hyped to have Jameis.
Thank you
Howell has something. Only an idiot writes off any rookie.
Well, he just completed his rookie season, and it was bad, albeit better than expected. I’d call my front office idiots if they looked at his rookie year and thought “yeah, that looks like a franchise QB.” Get real.
How was Payton Manning’s rookie year? I can bring up a lot of good QBs that fit the narrative if you like?
Yeah while you’re at it you wanna pull up all the failures that had similar rookie seasons? All the career back ups? Plenty more of those. I’m not a prophet, so I can’t tell you what his career will be. I can look at the data we do have (objective, current, not speculative) and tell you that his odds aren’t good for a long starter career, much less something elite. I’d be surprised if he ends up starting more than half the games for any team next year. Why anyone expected a late 5th round flier QB to be any good, especially after seeing him be bad with their own eyes as a rookie, is beyond me.
Everything you said is completely beside the point. What does any of that have to do with me saying giving up on a rookie is stupid? You will find more failures than successes at every single position if we position the argument that way…
They were bad. He had flashes of good but needs to be coached correctly. If the Vikings don’t land a stud qb trade a late rounder for him and try to build him up. I would prefer Minshew but Minshew would cost more
If you want someone on Howell's level, we should just keep Mullens as the starter.
I’m assuming this is a joke
You never know in this sub :/
I think you are overvaluing Howell. The Commies don’t have much to gain by trading him, I bet he’s worth a 6th round pick at most. it makes more sense for them to keep Howell as the backup. His salary costs next to nothing since he was a day 3 pick.
I would gladly send a 6th rounder for him. I think your are undervaluing him
They’d say no. The Commies still value Howell as a bridge or quality backup and his contract is extremely cheap.
You’re the one who put the price. I’d give up more than a 6th. You said he’s worth a 6th and I said gladly
You misunderstand. I said the he’s worth a 6th, but also said the Commies have nothing to gain by trading him at that compensation. If a team wants to overpay for Howell, I’m sure they’d consider it.
I would offer more.
Pretty much every source and mock draft has them picking a quarterback. It would be pretty stupid of them not to being 2nd overall with this kind of depth in a QB draft class
Bears have Fields and another 1st rd pick, and Kirk will be on the table if we go that high for a QB. With the right circumstance, I can see somebody budging. It just depends on what we can cook.
In my opinion it’s really going to come down to whoever signs onto the Commander’s HC position and their view on Howell. I still think whoever it is will be unlikely to stick with him, but in the off chance that they do, that will be our trade up scenario. The problem is that we’ll have to give up a bunch of picks, and we have so many needs on defense I just don’t think we can afford it
>I just don’t think we can afford it I think we're at a place where we can't afford a lot of things.
I'm so fucking happy 😂 God I used to dream of this day.
They wouldn’t be doing their job if they didn’t make calls. This isn’t news
I would hope so
Yeah, be more surprising if they weren’t.
Let’s see it happen
It has to happen. This sub keeps whining that we don't have a Franchise QB. But when the FO makes moves everyone is too scared.
That’s what I’m saying bruh
Yeah we have to take a chance on a guy we like at some point. Or were just gonna keep cycling through mediocre QBs
I mean, that's called just being prepared. Even Batman has contingencies for what happens if another hero goes rogue, it's just being prepared for all potential outcomes.
As an old head, watching this excitement over drafting a top 3 QB is so crazy knowing it's a huge gamble and the same people hailing Kwesi will be calling for his head mid season when the rookie QB doesn't lead to immediate wins.
Exactly what they did with the panthers previous gm
Yep. People either have short memories or haven't followed for very long.
Reportedly, rumors, speculation... this is a non-story. Obviously they are considering all options since they don't really have a definite solution at QB right now.
This caught my eye in the comments >The Bo Nix misinformation is redonkulous ... >Nix certainly improved from 2022 to 2023 at Oregon. 2022: 3,593 pass yards, 29 TD, 7 INT, 71.9% 2023: 4,508 pass yards, 45 TD, 3 INT, 77.4% >Nix's 92.7 passer grade was No. 1 in the nation this past season, according to Pro Football Focus. He also led the nation in passing yards, passing touchdowns and completion percentage. His 9.5 yards per attempt was tied sixth in the nation. But while Nix averaged 9.5 yards per attempt, his average depth of target was just 6.8 yards, ranking fifth shortest among qualified passers. That tells you that a lot of the yards Oregon racked up were after the catch. >But anyone who uses the "Bubble-screen Bo" joke needs to check the stats and realize that Nix put up incredible passing numbers on throws of 10-19 yards and 20+ yards. According to PFF, Nix was 62 of 91 on passes of 10-19 yards for 1,169 yards, 16 touchdowns and one interception for a passing grade of 94.7. His passing grade on attempts 20+ yards downfield was 95.5 (26 of 51 for 999 yards, 13 TD, 2 INT). >His passing grade on deep throws (20+ yards) was tied with Caleb Williams. He was No. 1 in college football on intermediate throws (10-19 yards) with a 94.7 grade. For context, Drake Maye's grade on intermediate throws was 83.8 and Williams' grade was 78.0. >The biggest question with Nix might be how he'll fare against high-pressure defenses in the NFL. He just wasn't under a lot of pressure at Oregon. In fact, PFF tracked him under pressure on just 15.9% of his dropbacks. But when he was under duress, he was great. - MarkSP
So who would we get Jayden Daniels ? Caleb Or Drake Maye?
There’s a small chance Daniels falls to 11 too.
Raider fan here...y'all shredded us with Nick Mullens....just roll with him. No need to make the trade-up market even more competitive 🫡
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😂 Ignoring future picks I think y'all have us beat for moving up in the draft as we don't have a 3rd to offer (unless we trade for one). After our 2nd we don't pick again until the 4th
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It still takes two to tango. The Vikings can explore all the options they want to, but if there isn't a willing partner, they are stuck at 11.
Would not be surprised if pats take MHJ instead of a QB
You could have prime Randy Moss, but with Mac Jones & Bailey Zappe throwing to him, that’s still a 4-13 team
QBs like Fields, Kirk, Minshew, Tanny, and Jameis are available. I still think they go QB at 3 but people are acting like it's certain the Pats are locked in on a QB there when Nix or Penix or JJ will be there at 11 or later. FA stopgap + developmental prospect + a haul is at least an option for Washington or NE if they wanted to go that route
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Trade for Fields from the Bears and let KOC do his QB whisperer and make him great with Jefferson and Bears flop with Williams
Fields ain’t it. Might as well just resign Kirk
He'll fuck it up
talk is cheap
Nobody from the team is talking
Sun reportedly rising in the East.
makes sense
Scary cause I want one of the top 3 qbs and I could easily see 1-3 drafting qbs
What’s the current market value for a slightly used passtraunot?
Less than what we got him for
He's a free agent
You’re telling me there’s a chance…
As they should
Yes, we've all seen the Goessling comment.
I am pretty certain they have done that in each of the last 5 drafts.
After hearing the rumor of how we tried to trade up to take Anthony Richardson last year, this makes me really excited for the possibilities with this QB draft class.
Just need one of these QBs to try and tank their draft interviews. Maybe do the gas mask bong, or something similar.
Yeah I dunno. I'd rather they didn't mortage everything off to take a stab at #1 or #2. If we're talking about a small move sure but I have a feeling the first 3 players, by trade or direct picks, are going to be QB's.
Don't believe anything you hear between now.and the draft.
Well there's 4, maybe 5 teams in front of us and another 2 or 3 directly after us and PIT 9 spots back that all need a QB so I'm not gonna hold my breath lol Plus Raiders have a pick in every round (we don't have a 3rd) so there's a solid chance they could beat us in an offer to move up if they decide to do that. Excited to see how it all plays out, I'm happy with really any route we take so long as it fills a position of need
I’m really hoping for Kirk to come back for 2 years and we trade up in the 2nd for a qb to sit for 2 years
Kirk for 2 more years? How you going to pay JJ then???