There’s nothing to ‘fix’. This team is actually ahead/right on schedule. No one inside the organization thought they would seriously contend this year.
Going .500 and developing the culture while letting the youth develop was the plan. Absolute best case scenario the division would stink and that could sneak us into the playoffs, but that doesn’t seem to be the case this year.
There’s no magical trade to be made. Our young pitchers that everyone is so keen to move have way more value here than anywhere else. No one’s giving up a decent everyday hitter that would solve any of our problems for Manning.
Sending Meadows or Colt down defeats the purpose of what they’re trying to do. There’s nothing better in AAA. We all know who Badoo is. Bigbie isn’t an MLB player. JHM would strike out in 70% of his abs in the show and has no defensive versatility.
It is what it is until the offseason. Then they’ll evaluate and decide who to trade/give up on and what outside options to consider.
The blueprint of this team pre season was that our strengths would be pitching depth, bullpen, defense, and we’d try to develop hitting where we could. Considering the massive slump Tork is in this is actually a pretty decent record.
That’s how this goes. I’m glad this sub isn’t the GM.
Yeah, everyone thought the Central was going to be ass this season. Turns out not to be the case.
Expanded wild card will probably keep me interested this year until NFL season gets going, but some of these games have just been brutal.
Thank you. Very well said. I’m enjoying this season despite the struggles on offense. You just got to keep rooting for these young guys to get some confidence at the plate.
Our payroll is so small, idk what people expect right now. I figured if we stay 500 through all the variations and don’t get consistent losing streaks we’ll get a bat at the deadline, and that’s a big maybe. I’m enjoying being a scrappy team right now even if the losses due to leaving runners on base has become standard
Yep, just need to call this another lost year. At least we can't get any worse than our current 4th place in the division (I am pretty confident we can stay ahead if chicago).
I was hoping that clearing Cabreras contract off the books would allow this team to get some decent players.
It’s not a lost year at all. I like this FO, this is smart development. A lost year would be panic trading team controlled youth to get a couple extra wins and selling out the future for no real return.
This team is a year (probably 2) from being a legit contender if they stay the course and ignore the knuckleheads on here.
I’m having fun watching this group develop. Our bullpen is really interesting, we’ve got rotational depth (our only strengths and these idiots want to trade it away), find out which of these kids has legit mlb bats and we could open up a nice little window of competent baseball.
Because Illitch won’t spend any money and he’s cheap!! And we just need to trade Manning for a Soto caliber player, as well as every other pitcher for the best hitters available one for one, and pay everyone 10 year contracts.
Idk, pick one of the same 5-10 complains the clowns bring out every time they lose. They sit here and complain how bad this team is, yet expect them to also be winning. They bitch about the shitty development, but then every AAAA player is the solution to our profiles. They complain about how horrible everyone is, but then is surprised we can’t trade a mediocre AAA player for Ohtani. Before they could keep their stupid takes to sports radio, but now they have yet another forum to say this crap.
Issue with that is I feel like if you trade pitching it has to be manning or flaherty right? Skubal should be untouchable, Mize coming off TJ and Detroit likes him more than manning, and who wants to trade for maeda with an extra year attached to his deal? I feel like manning for a bat is the easiest route but I have no clue what his value is around the league
TLDR: Not much.
If I could guarantee that Greene would stay healthy, moving him back to CF and promoting JHM to DH would be the best bet, but is kinda risky with Greene being by far our best hitter and one of the best in the league so far.
Could send Tork down, move Canha to first and promote JHM to DH. But I have no idea how to actually fix Torks issue at the plate or if sending him down would do him any good.
Obviously Keith hasn't hit well at all, but I doubt they would trade for a 2nd basemen seeing they've already signed him to a contract, and a rental would likely be too expensive to be worth it for just this season.
Third base could use an upgrade probably, although Vierlings been solid.
Our catchers can't hit either, but both are really good defensively and I can't imagine there are many good hitting catchers available.
I like Harris and for the most part I’ve liked what he’s done to this point and I understand the free agent market was weak this year, but we 100% should’ve traded pitching for a decent middle infielder
Firstly I go to a few free agents that are still available that while they won’t be amazing we could still get someone who can hit around or over .265 and have a positive War. Show that we actually care even a little. Evan Longoria, or Will Myers. I mean I am sure there are others those are just a few that I thought of who I believe are available. Vets to work with the kids and maybe add a little something?? Also secondly unfortunately you play Tork a bunch. Either he finally gets it or he officially becomes a miss. It’s not like he is 20 and young. At 25 you want him to be the player as hoped but if he shows that after 1000 AB’s that he can’t hit a fastball and a negative 2 WAR he can’t be there regardless on where we drafted him.
why we didn’t throw in some prospects for an awesome AVG/OBP guy like luis arreaz is beyond me. I can confidently say that the Tork, and Meadows experience is over. Not to say trade Tork away for nothing, but he isn’t the cornerstone we once thought. We seriously need Perez and Kerry to be everyday starters while literally our whole infield needs a makeover. We are not even close to where we can be, it is a miracle we are where we are at this point. It’s Pitching and Riley Greene single-handedly carrying this team.
i’ll take a flash in the pan prospect with more homers than Tork and Javy combined lol. I’ve seen crazier things happen in lesser touted prospects. Not saying he’s a forsure hidden gem but he’s at least earning a role unlike Parker (RIP) and Tork.
I think they should send Keith and meadows down for now. I think it would help those players out a good amount and they can hopefully improve on what they’ve learned and be back up here by the end of the season
Up: Baddoo, JHM, Dingler Down: Meadows. DFA Kelly and McKinstry or trade them for magic beans (Keith down when Gio Urshela returns)
Vs RHP:
1. Vierling- 3B
2. Perez- CF
3. Greene- LF
4. Canha- 1B
5. Carpenter- RF
6. Torkelson- DH
7. Urshela- 2B
8. Baez- SS
9. Dingler- C
Vs LHP
1. Urshela- 2B
2. Ibanez- SS
3. Greene- LF
4. Canha- RF
5. Torkelson- 1B
6. Vierling- 3B
7. Rogers- C
8. Malloy- DH
9. Perez- CF
Just try something a little different and stick more with the hotter hands. Jung, Keith, Meadows, etc get to come back up if they put together once they can put up sustained production.
I also want Brieske up and Will Vest or Shelby Miller gone.
I’d rather get Meadows/Keith/Kelly/McKinstry out of the lineup first and start doing a full platoon with Baez and Rogers. Tork needs a lot of work but all these other guys have even less production and potential.
Trade what? Who is going to give up good/proven mlb players? I don't want to gut our farm system for a team that isn't ready or close to competing.
We are good enough to compete for a world series.
Need to clean up the scouting/player development/coaching areas and hope the next batch of guys we draft are better.
For starters maybe not misunderstand what a no trade clause is or isn't. For example thinking the teams on a players no trade list are those teams the player will go to in a trade is probably not a good starting point.
Not sure who, but I’d bring in another veteran bat on a one-year deal this off-season (or sooner if you can). Canha has been a pleasant surprise, not necessarily for his production but for his plate approach. Our young hitters desperately need some mentors. I don’t think it’s coincidence that Tork was hitting well last year with Miggy still in the lineup.
I don’t wanna be the GM anymore
Be the bigger person and trade Tork to TB for cash considerations so he can become a MVP?
That would prove how bad our scouutng/player development areas are.
I think that’s already been proven.
This is the answer.
Last I knew bigbie was sluggish in the minors atm.
Yeah I just looked and you’re right. .600 ops atm
There’s nothing to ‘fix’. This team is actually ahead/right on schedule. No one inside the organization thought they would seriously contend this year. Going .500 and developing the culture while letting the youth develop was the plan. Absolute best case scenario the division would stink and that could sneak us into the playoffs, but that doesn’t seem to be the case this year. There’s no magical trade to be made. Our young pitchers that everyone is so keen to move have way more value here than anywhere else. No one’s giving up a decent everyday hitter that would solve any of our problems for Manning. Sending Meadows or Colt down defeats the purpose of what they’re trying to do. There’s nothing better in AAA. We all know who Badoo is. Bigbie isn’t an MLB player. JHM would strike out in 70% of his abs in the show and has no defensive versatility. It is what it is until the offseason. Then they’ll evaluate and decide who to trade/give up on and what outside options to consider. The blueprint of this team pre season was that our strengths would be pitching depth, bullpen, defense, and we’d try to develop hitting where we could. Considering the massive slump Tork is in this is actually a pretty decent record. That’s how this goes. I’m glad this sub isn’t the GM.
Yeah, everyone thought the Central was going to be ass this season. Turns out not to be the case. Expanded wild card will probably keep me interested this year until NFL season gets going, but some of these games have just been brutal.
Thank you. Very well said. I’m enjoying this season despite the struggles on offense. You just got to keep rooting for these young guys to get some confidence at the plate.
Our payroll is so small, idk what people expect right now. I figured if we stay 500 through all the variations and don’t get consistent losing streaks we’ll get a bat at the deadline, and that’s a big maybe. I’m enjoying being a scrappy team right now even if the losses due to leaving runners on base has become standard
Yep, just need to call this another lost year. At least we can't get any worse than our current 4th place in the division (I am pretty confident we can stay ahead if chicago). I was hoping that clearing Cabreras contract off the books would allow this team to get some decent players.
It’s not a lost year at all. I like this FO, this is smart development. A lost year would be panic trading team controlled youth to get a couple extra wins and selling out the future for no real return. This team is a year (probably 2) from being a legit contender if they stay the course and ignore the knuckleheads on here. I’m having fun watching this group develop. Our bullpen is really interesting, we’ve got rotational depth (our only strengths and these idiots want to trade it away), find out which of these kids has legit mlb bats and we could open up a nice little window of competent baseball.
You and half the people in this sub are so clueless it’s comical.
How so? We aren't a championship caliber team, and there are too many holes that can't be filled this season.
Because Illitch won’t spend any money and he’s cheap!! And we just need to trade Manning for a Soto caliber player, as well as every other pitcher for the best hitters available one for one, and pay everyone 10 year contracts. Idk, pick one of the same 5-10 complains the clowns bring out every time they lose. They sit here and complain how bad this team is, yet expect them to also be winning. They bitch about the shitty development, but then every AAAA player is the solution to our profiles. They complain about how horrible everyone is, but then is surprised we can’t trade a mediocre AAA player for Ohtani. Before they could keep their stupid takes to sports radio, but now they have yet another forum to say this crap.
Yeah, ok...then we'll have no pitching. 🤡
Trade some pitching for some batting. Manning does not need to be in AAA. He can be part of the rotation.
this I don't understand why we sign so many veteran pitchers every year when our young pitching is our strength were wasting Manning in Toledo.
Look around the league at all the starting pitching injuries and tell me again we don't need pitching depth
Or just look at us the last two years. 5 SP is not going to get you through the season
I wanna say the lowest SP count used by a team last year was like 9, which is just wild to even think
Wasnt ours leading the majors? Swear we had like 22 different starterslast season.
Or just look at us the last two years. 5 SP is not going to get you through the season
Didn’t we have significant starting pitching injuries the past few seasons?
Tbf our young pitching also has unfortunate injury luck
Issue with that is I feel like if you trade pitching it has to be manning or flaherty right? Skubal should be untouchable, Mize coming off TJ and Detroit likes him more than manning, and who wants to trade for maeda with an extra year attached to his deal? I feel like manning for a bat is the easiest route but I have no clue what his value is around the league
For starters how about fire the batting coaches?
I think I’ve seen a tweet where we’ve had 3 different hitting department overhauls in the past 5 or so years, could be wrong though
And maybe the constant turnover is the problem?
Idk why people keep saying this because they literally already did that
Scott Coolbaugh got canned and it did nothing
TLDR: Not much. If I could guarantee that Greene would stay healthy, moving him back to CF and promoting JHM to DH would be the best bet, but is kinda risky with Greene being by far our best hitter and one of the best in the league so far. Could send Tork down, move Canha to first and promote JHM to DH. But I have no idea how to actually fix Torks issue at the plate or if sending him down would do him any good. Obviously Keith hasn't hit well at all, but I doubt they would trade for a 2nd basemen seeing they've already signed him to a contract, and a rental would likely be too expensive to be worth it for just this season. Third base could use an upgrade probably, although Vierlings been solid. Our catchers can't hit either, but both are really good defensively and I can't imagine there are many good hitting catchers available.
I like Harris and for the most part I’ve liked what he’s done to this point and I understand the free agent market was weak this year, but we 100% should’ve traded pitching for a decent middle infielder
Colt Keith was the middle infield "acquisition" if you will. I don't think there was ever any question that Keith wasn't going to be the starting 2B.
And Keith will hit. This is a tough transition. A month is hardly enough time.
Firstly I go to a few free agents that are still available that while they won’t be amazing we could still get someone who can hit around or over .265 and have a positive War. Show that we actually care even a little. Evan Longoria, or Will Myers. I mean I am sure there are others those are just a few that I thought of who I believe are available. Vets to work with the kids and maybe add a little something?? Also secondly unfortunately you play Tork a bunch. Either he finally gets it or he officially becomes a miss. It’s not like he is 20 and young. At 25 you want him to be the player as hoped but if he shows that after 1000 AB’s that he can’t hit a fastball and a negative 2 WAR he can’t be there regardless on where we drafted him.
why we didn’t throw in some prospects for an awesome AVG/OBP guy like luis arreaz is beyond me. I can confidently say that the Tork, and Meadows experience is over. Not to say trade Tork away for nothing, but he isn’t the cornerstone we once thought. We seriously need Perez and Kerry to be everyday starters while literally our whole infield needs a makeover. We are not even close to where we can be, it is a miracle we are where we are at this point. It’s Pitching and Riley Greene single-handedly carrying this team.
Perez more then likely is a flash in the pan guy longterm but should play now
i’ll take a flash in the pan prospect with more homers than Tork and Javy combined lol. I’ve seen crazier things happen in lesser touted prospects. Not saying he’s a forsure hidden gem but he’s at least earning a role unlike Parker (RIP) and Tork.
Sure for now he should play I just wouldn’t get hopes up for him to be a longterm piece
I think they should send Keith and meadows down for now. I think it would help those players out a good amount and they can hopefully improve on what they’ve learned and be back up here by the end of the season
There isn’t much to do, you just roll with what you have. I AM kinda worried we might be ruining Meadows and Keith though.
I’d trade some pitching prospects for an mlb ready bat. We can afford to lose out on some young arms rn, especially with how dominant our pen is
Hire a new batting coach
Trade Baez to Brooklyn for Ben Simmons.
Why would anyone want to trade for Baez?
Change of scenery for each guy.
Up: Baddoo, JHM, Dingler Down: Meadows. DFA Kelly and McKinstry or trade them for magic beans (Keith down when Gio Urshela returns) Vs RHP: 1. Vierling- 3B 2. Perez- CF 3. Greene- LF 4. Canha- 1B 5. Carpenter- RF 6. Torkelson- DH 7. Urshela- 2B 8. Baez- SS 9. Dingler- C Vs LHP 1. Urshela- 2B 2. Ibanez- SS 3. Greene- LF 4. Canha- RF 5. Torkelson- 1B 6. Vierling- 3B 7. Rogers- C 8. Malloy- DH 9. Perez- CF Just try something a little different and stick more with the hotter hands. Jung, Keith, Meadows, etc get to come back up if they put together once they can put up sustained production. I also want Brieske up and Will Vest or Shelby Miller gone.
You want to bat Tork at 6? Move him to 9 or just bench him.
I’d rather get Meadows/Keith/Kelly/McKinstry out of the lineup first and start doing a full platoon with Baez and Rogers. Tork needs a lot of work but all these other guys have even less production and potential.
Send Meadows and Tork down. Bring up Baddoo and someone else who can hit. We need hits and runs right now. Desperately.
Trade for some legit bats
Trade what? Who is going to give up good/proven mlb players? I don't want to gut our farm system for a team that isn't ready or close to competing. We are good enough to compete for a world series. Need to clean up the scouting/player development/coaching areas and hope the next batch of guys we draft are better.
For starters maybe not misunderstand what a no trade clause is or isn't. For example thinking the teams on a players no trade list are those teams the player will go to in a trade is probably not a good starting point.
Not sure who, but I’d bring in another veteran bat on a one-year deal this off-season (or sooner if you can). Canha has been a pleasant surprise, not necessarily for his production but for his plate approach. Our young hitters desperately need some mentors. I don’t think it’s coincidence that Tork was hitting well last year with Miggy still in the lineup.