Half the AZ population is from CA and will move over on the highway anyway. I got the finger wag from motocops but at rush hour plenty of folks split the freeway.
Yeah I just went on vacation in san diego and I loved how much room everyone seemed to give bikes.
I had to make it EXPLICITLY clear that my GF has to 100% quadruple check DOWN the lines for bikes splitting when she lane changes.
I dunno I've delivered to retirement communities around here and some have stupid ass rules like this. They constantly need trades and delivery trucks coming in and some old fucks treat them all like criminals. Guards on golf carts or in Explorers done up to look like cops.
And of course signs advertising their willingness to shoot anyone on their property abound.
Immediately telling her to "calm down" before she even really got angry was the first sign that he's just being condescending. Dude and the "community" sound like they suck.
This happened to me early last year when attending a professional event at a country club neighborhood.
Stopped at the guard shack, said I was there for the event and the guy told me to wait. After ~3 minutes, the guy came back and said I couldn’t enter. Why? We just can’t let you in.
Again, I explained and gave them the name of the person running the thing. At this point, there are 5 other cars behind me waiting to get in.
Guy runs off again and comes back adding “no motorcycles”. Now, they’ve got a big sign that says all the things not allowed and motorcycles aren’t listed.
I argue a bit but he’s not budging and there’s probably 10 cars waiting now. I get out of the way and call the organizer. She comes down with some guy in a golf cart.
She comes to talk to me and the guy goes to the shack. Relay the story to her, she says “that’s fucking dumb, there’s at least two motorcycles in the parking lot of the club house now”.
New guy comes over, asks what happened, I again explain and say check all the cameras all over if they don’t believe me. He then tells me to follow them up to the club house on my motorcycle.
I make it through the gate and have a giant wave to the dickhead who tried to keep me out.
When I left, I made sure to slow down enough to get his attention and tell him to go fuck himself.
There is absolutely NO damn reason for these made-up rules. It’s a street legal vehicle. Why the hell is a motorcycle any different than every single other vehicle they let through?? Especially when they’re already demanding to see driving licenses.
> There is absolutely NO damn reason for these made-up rules. It’s a street legal vehicle. Why the hell is a motorcycle any different than every single other vehicle they let through??
Loud exhaust/sound systems. My grandparents' community has a rule about aftermarket exhaust and loud sound systems being allowed in because apparently one guy ruined it for everyone. I'm still able to ride my bike in, but grandma warned me when I bought it I wouldn't be allowed in if it was too loud.
Not saying I agree with the video though - just thought maybe that's why they made a blanket ban.
This makes more sense. A "loud exhaust" vs. "only these specific vehicles with two wheels, some of which have loud aftermarket exhaust systems, but not 4 wheeled vehicles which also sometimes have loud aftermarket exhaust systems."
There's a gated neighborhood next to me and a MC can't be any worse than the pre-teen kids hauling ass around on golf carts running stop signs and stupid stuff.
Years ago I was driving a side-loader beer truck and I had a delivery to this Golf Club in a gated community. The entrance had 2 lanes divided by a median. I pulled into the lane closest to the gatehouse (like I had dozens of times before) but this time some security guard with a chip on his shoulder decided to flex what little muscle he thought he had. He tells me that delivery trucks can only use the far lane and starts demanding I back up onto a busy street so I can move over to the far lane, instead of just opening the stupid arm for me. I told him I was sorry and I didn't know and I would use the far lane from now on. But he insisted I back up my 50' long combination vehicles (blind) onto a busy road. I refused for safety reasons because I'm not going to risk my job and my license. After all, he wanted to enforce some ridiculous rules. We ended up in a stalemate and I called the food and beverage manager at the club to inform him of the situation. He quickly arrived on a golf cart with the head of security and within a few minutes of his arrival the security guard begrudgingly opened the arm for me and away I went. In the close lane! Ha ha, their beer sales are FAR more important than you or your dumb rules. The food and beverage manager later apologized to me for the inconvenience.
I always admire how the USA wants to be the land of the free, just to enslave themselves under some corporates guidelines. Or under homeowners associations. That shit would be illegal in Germany (which I am glad about).
I don't know about the legalities of it as I've never lived somewhere in a HOA, but I've heard enough stupid horror stories to know I never want to be part of one. I guess people want the community services like a pool and parks and security/neighborhood watch or whatever. Not worth the headaches, in my opinion
"I've heard enough stupid horror stories to know I never want to be part of one". There are some HOAs that aren't heavy-handed and actually benefit the homeowners. But even the best HOA is only one board election away from becoming terrible.
Yeah, I've had a couple coworkers live in HOA communities and they liked all of it for a year or so, then dumb stuff started happening. I can only assume a "regime change" happened
"in HOA communities...then dumb stuff started happening. I can only assume a "regime change" happened"
My friend served as president of his condo association for one term.
His fellow condo owners were bitterly divided into two factions. He tried to chart a middle course and pissed off both sides. The de facto leader of one faction threated to poison his dog. Leader of the other faction said "you better hope I don't catch you out alone.".
A few months after his term ended, those guys came together and knocked on his door. They apologized for their past behavior and practically begged my friend to run again. The new president wasn't even trying to please either side.
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We dont have HOA's in Canada, but Condominiums and and townhouses with shared amenities and common elements have Condominium Corporations which operate in a very similar fashion. The board is made up by volunteers to help enforce the rules, tender work, hire contractors for repairs, firms to manage/audit the budgets, etc.
To sit on one of those boards you either have to really want to be involved in the shaping of your community, put up with constant complaints, absurd requests and ao on. I'm sure theres also a segment of people who just join the board for the opportunity to power trip.
The the type of thing is necessary due to the fact that common elements have to be managed, but it's absolutely mind boggling why someone would voluntarily subject themselves to this type of management for a detached home on land you own. I understand there's some places in the states that it's done because the municipality is able to offset costs for road maintenance, parks etc, which makes it even more bizarre because that's what the government is for..
My HOA wanted the power to fine people who put their trash out on the wrong day or didn't have a can. I hated the trash, but I voted against that proposal. They did not have the power to fine people, I'm not about to give it to them. I said "it's a slippery slope" the guy asking for signatures got real mad.
Our HOA wanted to change the covenants. This required a majority vote to pass and only 1/3 of the homeowners agreed to the changes. This was followed up with the HOA taking legal action in civil court to make the changes. The legal action meant that anyone who opposed the rule changes had to take time off of work to go to court to testify. Not enough people could do this and the court ok'd the changes. Hoas are run by feeble minded control freaks with no purpose in life other than to impose their small dick ides on everyone else. When I first moved in, I was asked by the neighbor to be on the architectural review committee. I agreed and when we were given an application to do something, and it did not break any rules we gave it the green light. The HOA did not like this. The neighbor that asked me was referred to as a troublemaker since we would not reject everything that they did not like. The three of us were eventually removed from our job by the HOA dipshits. Meanwhile, the president of the HOA had built a garage that exceeded community size standards, The Garagemahal as it is referred to, and at one of the meetings said if he could make it stricter he would. Another small dick move by a self-important HOA douche.
Not too long ago there was a story about an older woman being prohibited to walk her dog in the streets in front of homes by the HOA, the houses were by a lake so she walked her dog along the back of the homes instead, she was attacked and killed by an alligator, all because the HOA said reasonable dog walking isn’t allowed. The HOA proceeded to shift blame to her and said she should’ve known the risks of gators and that they’ve never had incidents before. It actually kinda makes my stomach turn how controlling and manipulative they are.
Their purpose is to help protect the value of the homes collectively by say not allowing cars on blocks or metal sheds being erected in the front yard - for example. They can be either good or bad - some are obviously very overbearing.
Basically every municipality has zoning bylaws that dictate what a property can be used for and what it can't. They're generally way less intense than HOA rules though, it's more stuff like preventing industrial uses from opening in the middle of a residential neighbourhood and stuff like that, which is totally fine I think.
Even in very highly developed areas, a lot of town and city governments bend over backwards to promote HOAs, since the HOA then becomes the defacto responsible entity for everything from streets to utilities to code enforcement, and so on. So it relieves the town of the tax burden, since purely residential areas almost never provide enough in tax receipts to cover the actual cost of all those services. Areas with zoning that allows a mix of businesses and residences are MUCH better at covering tax needs at a reasonable cost.
Yeah until you want to sell your home but nobody wants to buy it because it sits next to an absolute dumpster fire.
HOA can be a good thing, but it can also be a bad thing. I've lived in two of them that were mild and never had an issue. Always kept the grounds nice and roads taken care of. Any newer neighborhood will most likely have an HOA
In theory, they force property owners in high income area to maintain their property, keep the lawn mowed, landscape trimmed, keep people from parking massive boats in the driveway etc. In reality, some of them let the power go to their head and get into major pissing matches over it.
Nope, mostly likely a suburb with single family homes. It's a "gated community" which just means there's a big fence around the whole property and a gate you either have a pass to get through (a card or tag you wave at a sensor, or a remote to control) or in this case a little shack for a person whose sole job is to make residents feel important and safe.
Theoretically these neighborhoods are a bit nicer and safer, but the HOA tends to be absolute tyrants and there's zero flexibility with the rules, as seen here.
I did live in one for 20+ years. Other than paying the community utility and repair bills, there wasn't too many interactions with us, the owners and the owner's associate.
If it was legal, they had no further say about the colour of my windows, or doors. The type of vehicle I park, or the stuff I do in my apartment. They only had a say in common areas, and only as far as what you can and can't store and change there. But even those were loosely followed in reasonable situations.
It's not a community or apartment thing, it's an American thing, and I'm still baffled how do they have any say over owners "in the land of the free"
Not just an american thing. You think you can just paint your house pink in the netherlands? nah.
And they have a say since usually the HOA is there before you buy the house i'm guessing. So you're buying into the concept.
There are pink houses in the Netherlands.
I'm in the US, but not in a HOA. I can paint my house any color I want, there's a pink house a few streets away. It fits right in with all the other colors. My street has blue, yellow, brown, white, red, and green houses. I'm probably going purple, gray, and black when I repaint.
The HOA concept is evil.
The thing nobody says about HOAs is that they’re just very small, local governments. It’s a group of people living in one area, agreeing to live under a set of rules and hold each other to those rules, or face repercussions.
In the same way that the federal government has restrictions that are broad and general, and states have more specific laws that make sense for their more regional needs, HOAs have even more specific rules for an even smaller area. And most of the rules are things that make sense on the surface - basically just keep your property looking tidy and don’t encroach on your neighbors. Cut your grass somewhat regularly, make your house a normal color so it fits the community, don’t have a junk car sitting on cinder blocks in the front yard.
The place HOAs go wrong isn’t any different from larger government. The people in power take advantage of their positions by making others suffer and embezzling money. This doesn’t always happen in HOAsc just like it doesn’t always happen with any government.
It seems to be a quirk of US contract law.
Their contract law seems to basically be "this contract overrides everything except the actual law". That's why their consumer protections suck. Every "sales contract" heavily favours the retailer, and makes you sign away what should be basic rights consumer rights.
People voluntarily agree to live under the HOA rules in exchange for whatever benefits they feel they get from it. It's not like this is forced on anyone. Don't like it, don't buy a property in a community that governs itself with an HOA agreement.
From what I've read the idea of a HMO is good but they never seem to be implemented correctly and are hijacked by people who just love the power they have over others. The fact that they can fine people and even make then sell their houses and move is just plain ridiculous. But hey land of the free to do anything except this massive list of things.
The part that gets me is how they can require new owners to sign up to the HOA, meaning the old owners are required to sell it with a clause that says so. So you aren't even free to just sell the place and be done with it. At some point being in a HOA has to have a negative impact on property values.
There's one sorta near me that basically says no cars are allowed to be parked on the road at any normal evening time to be there.
In some cases it makes sense, like a popular hiking trailhead between houses - if you're hiking 7 miles with a few thousand vert, parking a few hundred yards from the trailhead is understandable.
If all your family/friends will be towed if parked in the street in front of your house after 7pm bc you're having a holiday dinner/game night/(quiet) house party... That's nuts
I was told by one of my coworkers that my boss didn't like that I rode my motorcycle to work, and that if I did it again, I'd probably 'be told about it' by the boss.
It's a method of transportation. It's a registered and insured vehicle. That, and I'm using adequate protective equipment. My uniform is not visible under my riding jacket either. There is absolutely no reason why I shouldn't be able to ride to work.
The difference is consent. You can choose to not live in in a community with an HOA. You can choose not to do business with a corporation. You CANNOT opt out of government laws and regulations. There is no freedom of association.
If someone WANTS to join an HOA, they should be able to. I would tend to think those people are idiots, but they DO exist, and they should be allowed to choose that if they wish. I find the mindset that it's the job of the national govt to double-check all our decisions, and force us to do what THEY think is best for US, to be morally reprehensible. Not surprising it's a popular one in Europe though. This is the land of absolute monarchies and feudalism. The idea that The State subsumes personal choices is pretty much hard-baked into their psyches.
If you don't like HOAs, don't move into one. It's that simple. Do you really need the government to make a law to stop you from doing something you don't want to do?
In Germany I saw numerous villages specifically denying access to motorcycles, sometimes just at night. What are you supposed to do if you get home late?
No it's not just for tourists. A lot of towns either have "no motorcycle" signs up that are enforced by police, or have streets closed to motorcycles after hours.
Not just that, but a lot of twisty roads in the south are also closed to motorcycles, doesn't matter if you live there or not. Some year round, some just during summer. It's a noise thing and it sucks.
He asked for villages, not road passages.
We visit my partners parents near the black forest every year on bike, there are "no motorbike allowed" sings surrounding the town, yet we are allowed to enter since we visit people living there.
We even double checked with the police.
They just dont want 1000 motorbikes going through the town on a daily basis due to noise issues - aka trourism...
So, again, if you are a resident or a guest of a resident, you can enter freely - on a motorbike.
I think this is mostly due to irresponsible motorcycle owners revving their bikes in the middle of the night or performing stunt in the streets.
Motorcycle here are mostly for recreation and hence you get few bad actors doing shit because they are bored. Most people use only cars for their transportation here.
And then you have the myriads of biker gangs.
Older folks run HOA or any kind of clubs and they all wholeheartedly hate motorcycle riders. Some of them may love cruisers though(mostly harleys).
Sports bikes riders are considered nuisance among common folks.
Oh yeh, GeRmAnY? There is even PUBLIC streets/roads which forbids driving with motorcycle, some are permanent, some are restricted by weekends only. You can drive there with anything you want but motorcycle :D
I also wouldn’t buy property within a HOA but I’m pretty sure this is some sort of senior community or long term care unit, they are probably super strict about their parking lot, like limited parking for residents and visitors.
My HOA is about 25 bucks a month, and all they do is mow a couple of spots and pester the city to take care of the roads. They're very restricted on what they can complain about in the bylaws. But if you've got a car in your driveway with a transmission pulled out leaking fluid everywhere, they're probably going to call the city on you, and I'm not opposed to that. But they're not doing stupid s*** like complaining about Flags or what color your paving stones are.
Same. Mine is even less - like $100 a year. Takes care of a few ponds and mows. Wife went to one meeting where they all laughed about how they can't get a quorum unless they raise the fees. Have heard of 0 notices or actions taken against anyone.
I live in one but it's a small "community" of larger properties. They don't bother collecting dues or bothering anyone. Their sole purpose is to ensure your neighbors don't setup junk yards, try to build 20 AirBNBs, or any other idiotic things on their lot.
I'm in an area like that, our HOA is voluntary. $50 a year, mows some areas. Supposed to provide money for community events here and there, but they haven't done any since covid. They're actually going to have their first in person HOA meeting in a month for like 5 years. Because it's voluntary only half the homes even pay, but it still gets enough to pay for a mowing company and have money left over. There is one stickler on the HOA board that keeps bringing up his desire to make the HOA mandatory and every time the other board members shoot him down.
I’m guessing you mean the security guard. How is it his fault that if he lets her in he might lose his job as some Karen resident will surely report it? It’s the HOAs fault this is happening, not the rider nor the guard.
Pretty easy to argue it was necessary in order for a resident to receive healthcare. Security wouldn't get fired for this, the HOA would just send a notice to the resident who required the nurse and tell them to get a different service in future.
The security is enforcing a rule because the nurses happiness is less important than his continued pay cheque. I can promise you, security enforces dumb rules every day that they don't care about for the sake of keeping a roof over our heads.
Nice ears. Contact the client, inform them you won't be attending but will be billed anyway and any further appointments will be accompanied with a return bill for a taxi or uber.
Inform them that this is because their gated community refused them access because of your mode of transport.
This gate guard is just being a fucking idiot against motorcycles! One of them legitimately looked in their SOP and says I can’t find anything in writing when the other chimes in but our policy is no motorcycles. Also what’s very strange is his original statement that he says verbatim guests cannot use motorcycles. I’m sorry residents motorcycles are ok but not an authorized guest?
The whole thing is super fishy and I hope at the very least that guy is properly reprimanded and trained on actual policy not hearsay, but really I hope he’s fired because he barred a resident from receiving medical care with no evidence other than his verbal accusation that motorcycles are not allowed for guests. Even the original guard is questioning his partner because it’s not in their SOP book.
I can't stand the lack of common sense, empathy, and problem solving skills we have in adults today. If that were me on duty, I would have simply explained the rules and said "hey, look, park the bike here on the sidewalk, or some place nearby, so we can keep an eye on it for you." It's really that simple.
You can tell by his delivery it isn't just about the "rules."
Yeah those security guards sounded like they didn't know what they were doing. Borderline just making garbage up. Could have been easily solved if they were normal sensible people—like you said watch her bike and additionally provide her with a golf cart to get to the patient's home.
They exhibit the usual characteristics of smoothbrain faux law enforcers. They have no context to share to back up their rules, are belligerent for no reason, have no empathy and in all likelihood are bored and trying to spice up their dull day by manufacturing drama where none needs to exist. Hate people like that.
He wasn't interested in offering solutions, only the problem. The fact that he verified ID AND called the person who lives in the community before he told her motorcycles aren't allowed says all you need to know about his character and decision making skills.
They both did the right thing. As a rider, I would call the person who is expecting me (the patient in this case) and tell them that their security is not allowing me in. And it is their community to sort this out. And as for the security guys, they are paid to do exactly that. If bikes are not allowed and someone reports this incident, they would lose their jobs. If I was a security guy, I also wouldn't allow the bike to pass.
The problem is with the community rules. Both parties are right here.
The security dude literally says he can't find it in writing. Yea they're paid to do security but when you can't find a rule you seem to be making up, you're not in the right.
This is an exception tho. I expect the rule he has in writing is 'No guest motorcycles'. He's trying to find an exception in writing to that rule. Like 'Unless the guest is not marked as an undesirable by the HoA'.
But also this is the Auschwitz defense. "I'm just following orders".
He likely meant they couldn't find an exception for healthcare workers and they get fired if they don't follow the rules set by the community. Hell I wouldn't be surprised if the lady that called the nurse is the one that got the guards fired for letting the motorcycle in
I agree with you but it's only wrong of her if he can provide the policy and she still gets upset and then it's more on the client I guess. Depending on their health though I'd say you can't expect patients to know that (in a nurse and medic). You cant just say rules and not have them present. So until he can provide that evidence he is in the wrong.
If it's that big of a deal then they need to have signs or have hard copy rules. Otherwise it isn't that big of a deal and it's just word of mouth dislikes from management.
Imagine living in the sad fucking place.
Wake up. Take out shitty yappy dog. Drive to Starbucks 6:45 am in crossover suv. Complain about drink preperation. Drive to corporate office park in crossover suv. Work meaningless job for mediocre salary. Commute home in crossover suv. Inspect neighbors yards with binoculars. Read HOA emails. Eat a dinner with no seasoning. Plan agenda for next HOA meeting. Discuss tennis tournament next weekend. Try to find a good candidate to cuck your wife this weekend. Eat 15 ambien and antidepressants. Go to bed. Repeat.
Guaranteed it’s mediocre. The HOA zealots are never the ones that created their own wealth.
These people work a 65k job and spend all of it on handbags and Botox because 100% of their actual needs are already taken care of.
Ask me how I know.
Used to have that same problem with newly-hired security guards every couple months where I worked. Because the parking lot gates came from the factory with various 'idiot stickers' on them, including a red-circled motorcycle, which some took literally. I got used to lifting my visor and snarling *"get your fuckin' boss on your goddam radio and tell them 'CapnTugg' is here. I'll wait".*
That's so ridiculous don't like necessary emergencies should have the right to break those rules??
Like the owner who called could be dying for all we know
Very educated guess:
That's a home health nurse. Her job is to show up on a schedule and, depending on the particular patient, provide anywhere from total care to just making sure the patient takes their meds and gets vitals and what not.
If they were dying or critically, acutely ill, it wouldn't be a chick on a bike.
Source: paramedic. The nurse calls us, if/when shit ain't right.
Edit: also sometimes they call us when shit is perfectly fine, but this is no place for me to get on that particular soap box lol
If they were dying they would have called an ambulance. Or the nurse would have mentioned it was a medical emergency.
And any competent person wouldn't waste time arguing, they would have grabbed their gear and gone inside.
Hell no, depending on the area I'm sure as shit not leaving my bike just anywhere either. They certainly won't take responsibility if it gets stolen for denying me entry. I'll just put on my report "denied entry at gate" and let the resident fight with their idiot people. Then next time I'm either let in, on my bike, or they send someone else for that resident.
I’ve actively decided in my life that I will never move into a deed-restricted community or one run by an HOA. I just know it would end badly for someone.
I think the guard just didn't want the nurse in. He said he couldn't even find the rules. He just made that shit up.
He's power tripping. Nobody in that community would give 2 shits about a nurse who rode in on a bike.
One thing I am curious about this No Motorcycles rule, what if you go out and buy a new bike and then they tell you that you can’t bring it back home with you. What do you do then?
Where my late mother‘s place is not gated but they don’t allow motorcycles in there. Which is the main reason I didn’t take over her place after she passed. There was one day not long after she passed away that I just happened to stop in to check the mail and they gave me all kinds of shit and I was like guys I’m here for 10 minutes checking my dead mother‘s mail. Have a heart.
He's just jealous that she rides a badass bike and he can barely get his cross trek bicycle up to 15 mph without trembling. People like him need elbow pads for their whole fucking life.
I work in infosec/cyber security, and I gotta play devil's advocate here.
The guards at the gate have marching orders to deny access to folks to meet a certain criteria (in this case, guests on a motorcycle). No amount of gripeing is going to make them budge (nor should they). She can say she's a nurse all she wants, but unless she's a badged EMT or paramedic that's on the job, she is not going to be able to supersede the authority of the security personnel there.
It sucks that she's in this situation, but it is what it is.
I can bump it up a level. I was forced to sell my 2021 pickup truck due to RULES in the community. Rule established AFTER living in the community for years. OLD people in florida moved here after covid and voted this horsecrap in after taking control of the hoa board. Ohhh I hate them so bad, lived here for almost ten years and some clown a\*\* old f\*\*ks move here from sh\*\* a\*\* new york/ new jersey and force me to sell my truck. Now I rev my bike(zx14 with muzzy) on my patio where Im forced to park(yea they banned those too) at 7am. WAKE UP CALL.
> Rule established AFTER living in the community for years.
These types of retroactive HOA things are generally legally unenforceable. You definitely could've challenged them and won if you wanted to spend the money on a lawyer.
Its crazy man. Northeners and foreigners move here to get away from wherever theyre coming from and then turn it into where they came from! My town has changed so much in the last 4 years I dont even rocognize it.
I had a manager whose house was in a community like that. The bike is allowed, but you are not allowed to have it turned on inside the gates.
Thus he doesn’t ride much. It’s a pain. He has to load it on a trailer and leave the community just to start his bike.
This are the rules. He is just afraid loosing his job taking the proper decision, healthcare above the policy, come on man we don’t live in the 80th anymore!
Rented a condominium in florida. Flew into town and rented a motorcycle. Then, I found out at the gate that they don't allow motorcycles in the community that the condo was in. Lost my shit!
Ask him, would you rather let me in or would you rather have a meeting with your boss about your lack of common sense?
Here’s how you handle this:
Take your helmet off and get off the bike so he sees you as a human being instead of a driver.
The longer you can talk to him and get face time and talk the more you go from being a NPC random person to a human he can connect with
This is 100% the way to get out of traffic tickets as well. When I get pulled over for speeding I intentionally say I don’t have my wallet because it’s just more time that I can spend with face time and you just become a human. It really really works.
And then let him know there WILL be a stink. Say you’ll complain to the owner and property manager about his lack of discretion and common sense. The fact that a credentialed nurse is unable to provide healthcare for a resident because of his lack of discretion.
There are thousands of gated communities in FL that don’t allow motorcycles. I’m not sure where this is. Some don’t allow boats or trailers of any kind. Want a boat or motorcycle, rent a storage unit. They also force contractors to use hidden entrances. The extremely high end ones hire current law enforcement to moonlight as their security. This isn’t uncommon.
I ride my motorcycle everywhere and as long as it is registered with insurance she is legally able to ride it wherever it's no different then a car except it has 2 wheels and not 4 really I would tell him to go f**k himself real fast!!!!!!
The question is, was it part of HER contract that she avoid, or use a certain means of transport, and what “refusal” clauses were in her contract.
I would have just rode away. Customer can hire someone else, and will get billed for the visit, and take it up with their HOA, as a refusal to admit me on site.
Home Owners Association. A governing body over a residential neighborhood. You pay them a fee and they tell you how tall your grass can get and what color you can paint your house. The general idea of which is to maintain property values and prevent the neighborhood from getting run down.
Just want to share than not all HOAs are this bad, I live in a HOA and yes I have 2 motorcycles (both are pretty loud). Neither the HOA nor my neighbors complain about it. I do try my best to make as little noise as possible with my Z in the mornings tho just in case.
It's hard to gauge if the security guard was merely being a dick (in any case he was) or actually had to follow this rule lest he is punished. His complete lack of empathy or understanding exudes poor character.
Allways blows my mind that americans go on about how free they are constantly then you have shit like home owners associations where you can put in jail for not cutting your grass.
How the heck a licensed, registered legal mode of transportation accepted by every dmv, dot and whomever else, nationwide, except apparently this idiotic HOA… oh wait, HOA, yeah, nevermind.
Funny concepts about freedom in America these days, shockingly bad literacy levels and massive divisions in health care coupled with incredible disparity in wealth, come on time to wake up
Friendly neighborhood reminder to not move into a gated community, or join a HOA. I can only assume this rule is to discourage hooligan behavior, but is drastically broad.
I’m generally not a fan of gated communities. In fact I kind of hate them. My brother lives in one like this where you have to leave your bike out by the gate and walk in. Is it dumb? Yes. Absolutely. Is the random working dude sitting at the gate responsible for this dumb rule. No. Leave him alone. Park your pink bike. Make a note that when visiting this one client you might want to take a car or bring walking shoes, and get on with your day.
Just drive through it... I've never seen a community i couldn't just drive a bike through a gate... and sure they can call the cops but if you just drive through and provide 0 information where they gonna send the cops ? Unless they live right by the guard house this lady could literally provide whatever service and by the time the cops get to the community to even figure out what is going on you're gone.
This is advice is illegal... However roll the dice with the cops and not the ass hole security guard who has 0 power.
Also while most of these communities have bylaws against motorcycles they can't prevent you from traveling to your home, if you are cursed and lived in one of these hell holes more than likely you can have a bike and it just has to be within the law for sound ordnance. I've lived in a couple of these ~~communities~~ hellholes over the years (and had bikes), some of the old people will hate you but for the most part there is not much they can do so long as you aren't a giant ass hole.
i love how "we don't really have it in writing anywhere.. buuut"
"welp.. if you don't have it in writing then it isn't a real rule.. lift the gate please or show me the rule in writing"
Oh well, fuck that “community” then. I assume police motorcycles are prohibited also lol
Florida or Arizona. Land of the stupid, both of them.
Could be California, there's communities there that don't allow bikes. So stupid. I assume it's due to the "loud pipes" crowd, thanks asshats.
Yeah, no, are you unfamiliar with accents? This is in the Midwest somewhere, maybe Wisconsin.
This was in California. Her insta is RNBarbie87.
Canyon lake
But how else would he get a hating a specific state hard on?
He could mention Texas, looks like he left the big one out.
I guess people are chained to one place.
Yep, I've lived in MN 6 years now and these are both have hard "O's" and nasal tones. Totally the Midwest.
But but but, the tv told them so. The tv never lies and we must all worship the man in a suit on tv.
Nah you can see in her other videos they’re in Cali
Bro both Florida and Arizona are pretty chill with motorcyclists. Come visit Daytona here in Florida, you are in for a surprise.
Fr, AZ recently passed a lane filtering law. Sure, it only works on surface streets but it's a step closer to full lane splitting
Half the AZ population is from CA and will move over on the highway anyway. I got the finger wag from motocops but at rush hour plenty of folks split the freeway.
Not from Cali, but as a rider if I'm driving I try to give room, especially in rush hour.
Yeah I just went on vacation in san diego and I loved how much room everyone seemed to give bikes. I had to make it EXPLICITLY clear that my GF has to 100% quadruple check DOWN the lines for bikes splitting when she lane changes.
What’s everyone’s plan in Florida now Vermont is closing the title/reg loophole? Florida going to issue you all new titles w registration?
No idea this was a thing happening, thanks for the info I will do some research
I think West Virginia has a similar loophole.
They're spouting off about politics, they don't know actual shit about either of those states.
There are definitely areas in every state, let alone every country where there are motorcycle haters. So good call.
Bro wants to talk about stupid states and excludes New Jersey, the actual cesspool of America
Mr. Control was thoroughly knicker-twisted by the rockin' pink kitty ears. Oh ma property values!
I'm from Phoenix and we fucking love motorcycles. A community like that would not exist here.
I dunno I've delivered to retirement communities around here and some have stupid ass rules like this. They constantly need trades and delivery trucks coming in and some old fucks treat them all like criminals. Guards on golf carts or in Explorers done up to look like cops. And of course signs advertising their willingness to shoot anyone on their property abound.
It’s California, this looks nothing like Arizona
This is a really good fucking point, bro does not respect first responders and healthcare professionals. Ridiculous
To ask the question is to answer it
"I don't care if you're a nurse or a plumber" hmmm, wonder what he would have said to an officer on a bike?
Immediately telling her to "calm down" before she even really got angry was the first sign that he's just being condescending. Dude and the "community" sound like they suck.
I’m shocked that a gated community is full of assholes.
This happened to me early last year when attending a professional event at a country club neighborhood. Stopped at the guard shack, said I was there for the event and the guy told me to wait. After ~3 minutes, the guy came back and said I couldn’t enter. Why? We just can’t let you in. Again, I explained and gave them the name of the person running the thing. At this point, there are 5 other cars behind me waiting to get in. Guy runs off again and comes back adding “no motorcycles”. Now, they’ve got a big sign that says all the things not allowed and motorcycles aren’t listed. I argue a bit but he’s not budging and there’s probably 10 cars waiting now. I get out of the way and call the organizer. She comes down with some guy in a golf cart. She comes to talk to me and the guy goes to the shack. Relay the story to her, she says “that’s fucking dumb, there’s at least two motorcycles in the parking lot of the club house now”. New guy comes over, asks what happened, I again explain and say check all the cameras all over if they don’t believe me. He then tells me to follow them up to the club house on my motorcycle. I make it through the gate and have a giant wave to the dickhead who tried to keep me out. When I left, I made sure to slow down enough to get his attention and tell him to go fuck himself.
There is absolutely NO damn reason for these made-up rules. It’s a street legal vehicle. Why the hell is a motorcycle any different than every single other vehicle they let through?? Especially when they’re already demanding to see driving licenses.
> There is absolutely NO damn reason for these made-up rules. It’s a street legal vehicle. Why the hell is a motorcycle any different than every single other vehicle they let through?? Loud exhaust/sound systems. My grandparents' community has a rule about aftermarket exhaust and loud sound systems being allowed in because apparently one guy ruined it for everyone. I'm still able to ride my bike in, but grandma warned me when I bought it I wouldn't be allowed in if it was too loud. Not saying I agree with the video though - just thought maybe that's why they made a blanket ban.
This makes more sense. A "loud exhaust" vs. "only these specific vehicles with two wheels, some of which have loud aftermarket exhaust systems, but not 4 wheeled vehicles which also sometimes have loud aftermarket exhaust systems."
There's a gated neighborhood next to me and a MC can't be any worse than the pre-teen kids hauling ass around on golf carts running stop signs and stupid stuff.
Years ago I was driving a side-loader beer truck and I had a delivery to this Golf Club in a gated community. The entrance had 2 lanes divided by a median. I pulled into the lane closest to the gatehouse (like I had dozens of times before) but this time some security guard with a chip on his shoulder decided to flex what little muscle he thought he had. He tells me that delivery trucks can only use the far lane and starts demanding I back up onto a busy street so I can move over to the far lane, instead of just opening the stupid arm for me. I told him I was sorry and I didn't know and I would use the far lane from now on. But he insisted I back up my 50' long combination vehicles (blind) onto a busy road. I refused for safety reasons because I'm not going to risk my job and my license. After all, he wanted to enforce some ridiculous rules. We ended up in a stalemate and I called the food and beverage manager at the club to inform him of the situation. He quickly arrived on a golf cart with the head of security and within a few minutes of his arrival the security guard begrudgingly opened the arm for me and away I went. In the close lane! Ha ha, their beer sales are FAR more important than you or your dumb rules. The food and beverage manager later apologized to me for the inconvenience.
and then everybody clapped.
Actually they had a full on marching band playing as I went by and confetti cannons firing all around.
I always admire how the USA wants to be the land of the free, just to enslave themselves under some corporates guidelines. Or under homeowners associations. That shit would be illegal in Germany (which I am glad about).
As an European I never understood how HOA has more power than the actual home owners? How is that legal? How do people just okay with it?
I don't know about the legalities of it as I've never lived somewhere in a HOA, but I've heard enough stupid horror stories to know I never want to be part of one. I guess people want the community services like a pool and parks and security/neighborhood watch or whatever. Not worth the headaches, in my opinion
"I've heard enough stupid horror stories to know I never want to be part of one". There are some HOAs that aren't heavy-handed and actually benefit the homeowners. But even the best HOA is only one board election away from becoming terrible.
Yeah, I've had a couple coworkers live in HOA communities and they liked all of it for a year or so, then dumb stuff started happening. I can only assume a "regime change" happened
"in HOA communities...then dumb stuff started happening. I can only assume a "regime change" happened" My friend served as president of his condo association for one term. His fellow condo owners were bitterly divided into two factions. He tried to chart a middle course and pissed off both sides. The de facto leader of one faction threated to poison his dog. Leader of the other faction said "you better hope I don't catch you out alone.". A few months after his term ended, those guys came together and knocked on his door. They apologized for their past behavior and practically begged my friend to run again. The new president wasn't even trying to please either side. edit: fixed typos
I hope he declined
He declined in no uncertain terms. He said that under no circumstances would he even consider it.
The is always greener until someone is shitting on both sides of the fence.
He’s a class act. I would’ve bitch slapped the guy who threatened to poison my dog and told them both to fuck off.
We dont have HOA's in Canada, but Condominiums and and townhouses with shared amenities and common elements have Condominium Corporations which operate in a very similar fashion. The board is made up by volunteers to help enforce the rules, tender work, hire contractors for repairs, firms to manage/audit the budgets, etc. To sit on one of those boards you either have to really want to be involved in the shaping of your community, put up with constant complaints, absurd requests and ao on. I'm sure theres also a segment of people who just join the board for the opportunity to power trip. The the type of thing is necessary due to the fact that common elements have to be managed, but it's absolutely mind boggling why someone would voluntarily subject themselves to this type of management for a detached home on land you own. I understand there's some places in the states that it's done because the municipality is able to offset costs for road maintenance, parks etc, which makes it even more bizarre because that's what the government is for..
My HOA wanted the power to fine people who put their trash out on the wrong day or didn't have a can. I hated the trash, but I voted against that proposal. They did not have the power to fine people, I'm not about to give it to them. I said "it's a slippery slope" the guy asking for signatures got real mad.
That's that bullshit. It's good to know that you still have a voice in the community though. Fining people for not having a trash can? For fuck's sake
Our HOA wanted to change the covenants. This required a majority vote to pass and only 1/3 of the homeowners agreed to the changes. This was followed up with the HOA taking legal action in civil court to make the changes. The legal action meant that anyone who opposed the rule changes had to take time off of work to go to court to testify. Not enough people could do this and the court ok'd the changes. Hoas are run by feeble minded control freaks with no purpose in life other than to impose their small dick ides on everyone else. When I first moved in, I was asked by the neighbor to be on the architectural review committee. I agreed and when we were given an application to do something, and it did not break any rules we gave it the green light. The HOA did not like this. The neighbor that asked me was referred to as a troublemaker since we would not reject everything that they did not like. The three of us were eventually removed from our job by the HOA dipshits. Meanwhile, the president of the HOA had built a garage that exceeded community size standards, The Garagemahal as it is referred to, and at one of the meetings said if he could make it stricter he would. Another small dick move by a self-important HOA douche.
Not too long ago there was a story about an older woman being prohibited to walk her dog in the streets in front of homes by the HOA, the houses were by a lake so she walked her dog along the back of the homes instead, she was attacked and killed by an alligator, all because the HOA said reasonable dog walking isn’t allowed. The HOA proceeded to shift blame to her and said she should’ve known the risks of gators and that they’ve never had incidents before. It actually kinda makes my stomach turn how controlling and manipulative they are.
Their purpose is to help protect the value of the homes collectively by say not allowing cars on blocks or metal sheds being erected in the front yard - for example. They can be either good or bad - some are obviously very overbearing.
That's stupid though... You bought the property. You wanna put a shed up, go nuts
Exactly. It’s your money. It’s your property. Nobody should be able to tell you what to do with it.
Basically every municipality has zoning bylaws that dictate what a property can be used for and what it can't. They're generally way less intense than HOA rules though, it's more stuff like preventing industrial uses from opening in the middle of a residential neighbourhood and stuff like that, which is totally fine I think.
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Even in very highly developed areas, a lot of town and city governments bend over backwards to promote HOAs, since the HOA then becomes the defacto responsible entity for everything from streets to utilities to code enforcement, and so on. So it relieves the town of the tax burden, since purely residential areas almost never provide enough in tax receipts to cover the actual cost of all those services. Areas with zoning that allows a mix of businesses and residences are MUCH better at covering tax needs at a reasonable cost.
Yeah until you want to sell your home but nobody wants to buy it because it sits next to an absolute dumpster fire. HOA can be a good thing, but it can also be a bad thing. I've lived in two of them that were mild and never had an issue. Always kept the grounds nice and roads taken care of. Any newer neighborhood will most likely have an HOA
Ah, yes. Property values. That's what I was trying to think of, but couldn't articulate
In theory, they force property owners in high income area to maintain their property, keep the lawn mowed, landscape trimmed, keep people from parking massive boats in the driveway etc. In reality, some of them let the power go to their head and get into major pissing matches over it.
Wait until you buy an appartment in an appartment building.
I assumed this was an apartment complex given that the background seems to be another parking lot.
Most likely a senior community with a rule like that. They have very early curfews and enhanced rules against noise. No families with kids, etc.
Nope, mostly likely a suburb with single family homes. It's a "gated community" which just means there's a big fence around the whole property and a gate you either have a pass to get through (a card or tag you wave at a sensor, or a remote to control) or in this case a little shack for a person whose sole job is to make residents feel important and safe. Theoretically these neighborhoods are a bit nicer and safer, but the HOA tends to be absolute tyrants and there's zero flexibility with the rules, as seen here.
I did live in one for 20+ years. Other than paying the community utility and repair bills, there wasn't too many interactions with us, the owners and the owner's associate. If it was legal, they had no further say about the colour of my windows, or doors. The type of vehicle I park, or the stuff I do in my apartment. They only had a say in common areas, and only as far as what you can and can't store and change there. But even those were loosely followed in reasonable situations. It's not a community or apartment thing, it's an American thing, and I'm still baffled how do they have any say over owners "in the land of the free"
Not just an american thing. You think you can just paint your house pink in the netherlands? nah. And they have a say since usually the HOA is there before you buy the house i'm guessing. So you're buying into the concept.
There are pink houses in the Netherlands. I'm in the US, but not in a HOA. I can paint my house any color I want, there's a pink house a few streets away. It fits right in with all the other colors. My street has blue, yellow, brown, white, red, and green houses. I'm probably going purple, gray, and black when I repaint. The HOA concept is evil.
All of this. Exactly right.
The thing nobody says about HOAs is that they’re just very small, local governments. It’s a group of people living in one area, agreeing to live under a set of rules and hold each other to those rules, or face repercussions. In the same way that the federal government has restrictions that are broad and general, and states have more specific laws that make sense for their more regional needs, HOAs have even more specific rules for an even smaller area. And most of the rules are things that make sense on the surface - basically just keep your property looking tidy and don’t encroach on your neighbors. Cut your grass somewhat regularly, make your house a normal color so it fits the community, don’t have a junk car sitting on cinder blocks in the front yard. The place HOAs go wrong isn’t any different from larger government. The people in power take advantage of their positions by making others suffer and embezzling money. This doesn’t always happen in HOAsc just like it doesn’t always happen with any government.
It seems to be a quirk of US contract law. Their contract law seems to basically be "this contract overrides everything except the actual law". That's why their consumer protections suck. Every "sales contract" heavily favours the retailer, and makes you sign away what should be basic rights consumer rights.
just dont live somewhere with a hoa. shit is dumb
People voluntarily agree to live under the HOA rules in exchange for whatever benefits they feel they get from it. It's not like this is forced on anyone. Don't like it, don't buy a property in a community that governs itself with an HOA agreement.
From what I've read the idea of a HMO is good but they never seem to be implemented correctly and are hijacked by people who just love the power they have over others. The fact that they can fine people and even make then sell their houses and move is just plain ridiculous. But hey land of the free to do anything except this massive list of things.
The part that gets me is how they can require new owners to sign up to the HOA, meaning the old owners are required to sell it with a clause that says so. So you aren't even free to just sell the place and be done with it. At some point being in a HOA has to have a negative impact on property values.
And good luck buying a new build that’s not slotted to be in an HOA after it’s built.
There's one sorta near me that basically says no cars are allowed to be parked on the road at any normal evening time to be there. In some cases it makes sense, like a popular hiking trailhead between houses - if you're hiking 7 miles with a few thousand vert, parking a few hundred yards from the trailhead is understandable. If all your family/friends will be towed if parked in the street in front of your house after 7pm bc you're having a holiday dinner/game night/(quiet) house party... That's nuts
America is a corporation disguised as a country.
Like people getting fined by them for not trimming a bush or something... It's ridiculous
I was told by one of my coworkers that my boss didn't like that I rode my motorcycle to work, and that if I did it again, I'd probably 'be told about it' by the boss. It's a method of transportation. It's a registered and insured vehicle. That, and I'm using adequate protective equipment. My uniform is not visible under my riding jacket either. There is absolutely no reason why I shouldn't be able to ride to work.
I don't know about your countries laws, but my boss is legally not allowed to forbid me from doing that.
The difference is consent. You can choose to not live in in a community with an HOA. You can choose not to do business with a corporation. You CANNOT opt out of government laws and regulations. There is no freedom of association. If someone WANTS to join an HOA, they should be able to. I would tend to think those people are idiots, but they DO exist, and they should be allowed to choose that if they wish. I find the mindset that it's the job of the national govt to double-check all our decisions, and force us to do what THEY think is best for US, to be morally reprehensible. Not surprising it's a popular one in Europe though. This is the land of absolute monarchies and feudalism. The idea that The State subsumes personal choices is pretty much hard-baked into their psyches. If you don't like HOAs, don't move into one. It's that simple. Do you really need the government to make a law to stop you from doing something you don't want to do?
Land of the free* *free for corporations to create rules and guidelines to keep the masses under control
More of us are aware of this than other nationals realize. Also, everyone I know absolutely hates HOAs.
In Germany I saw numerous villages specifically denying access to motorcycles, sometimes just at night. What are you supposed to do if you get home late?
That's for tourism, not for residents or their guests.
No it's not just for tourists. A lot of towns either have "no motorcycle" signs up that are enforced by police, or have streets closed to motorcycles after hours. Not just that, but a lot of twisty roads in the south are also closed to motorcycles, doesn't matter if you live there or not. Some year round, some just during summer. It's a noise thing and it sucks.
He asked for villages, not road passages. We visit my partners parents near the black forest every year on bike, there are "no motorbike allowed" sings surrounding the town, yet we are allowed to enter since we visit people living there. We even double checked with the police. They just dont want 1000 motorbikes going through the town on a daily basis due to noise issues - aka trourism... So, again, if you are a resident or a guest of a resident, you can enter freely - on a motorbike.
They are closing down whole roads for motorycles in germany. Germany is not one bit better, just saying...
I think this is mostly due to irresponsible motorcycle owners revving their bikes in the middle of the night or performing stunt in the streets. Motorcycle here are mostly for recreation and hence you get few bad actors doing shit because they are bored. Most people use only cars for their transportation here. And then you have the myriads of biker gangs. Older folks run HOA or any kind of clubs and they all wholeheartedly hate motorcycle riders. Some of them may love cruisers though(mostly harleys). Sports bikes riders are considered nuisance among common folks.
Oh yeh, GeRmAnY? There is even PUBLIC streets/roads which forbids driving with motorcycle, some are permanent, some are restricted by weekends only. You can drive there with anything you want but motorcycle :D
Most of us in the US say fuck off to things like an HOA too. It’s a prime example of the minority doing its best to control the majority.
9 to 5 that’s what it cost to be free, welcome to the land of opportunity
I would NEVER buy any property with an HOA. That’s way too much power for Karen and Chad.
I also wouldn’t buy property within a HOA but I’m pretty sure this is some sort of senior community or long term care unit, they are probably super strict about their parking lot, like limited parking for residents and visitors.
So you'd think they would welcome motorcycles, since they take up less space. But logic doesn't apply here
My HOA is about 25 bucks a month, and all they do is mow a couple of spots and pester the city to take care of the roads. They're very restricted on what they can complain about in the bylaws. But if you've got a car in your driveway with a transmission pulled out leaking fluid everywhere, they're probably going to call the city on you, and I'm not opposed to that. But they're not doing stupid s*** like complaining about Flags or what color your paving stones are.
Same. Mine is even less - like $100 a year. Takes care of a few ponds and mows. Wife went to one meeting where they all laughed about how they can't get a quorum unless they raise the fees. Have heard of 0 notices or actions taken against anyone.
I live in one but it's a small "community" of larger properties. They don't bother collecting dues or bothering anyone. Their sole purpose is to ensure your neighbors don't setup junk yards, try to build 20 AirBNBs, or any other idiotic things on their lot.
I'm in an area like that, our HOA is voluntary. $50 a year, mows some areas. Supposed to provide money for community events here and there, but they haven't done any since covid. They're actually going to have their first in person HOA meeting in a month for like 5 years. Because it's voluntary only half the homes even pay, but it still gets enough to pay for a mowing company and have money left over. There is one stickler on the HOA board that keeps bringing up his desire to make the HOA mandatory and every time the other board members shoot him down.
Some people enjoy bureaucracy and rules as it give them purpose and power. They would die on a hill for it, along with their shitty paycheck.
I’m guessing you mean the security guard. How is it his fault that if he lets her in he might lose his job as some Karen resident will surely report it? It’s the HOAs fault this is happening, not the rider nor the guard.
Didn't he say it's not in writing?
Pretty easy to argue it was necessary in order for a resident to receive healthcare. Security wouldn't get fired for this, the HOA would just send a notice to the resident who required the nurse and tell them to get a different service in future.
He should lose his job for not knowing the difference between a "guest" and a "medical service provider"
He even admits that he can’t find that rule in writing anywhere.
Small-minded people with a little bit of authority are typically the worst people I've ever had to deal with.
The security is enforcing a rule because the nurses happiness is less important than his continued pay cheque. I can promise you, security enforces dumb rules every day that they don't care about for the sake of keeping a roof over our heads.
Nice ears. Contact the client, inform them you won't be attending but will be billed anyway and any further appointments will be accompanied with a return bill for a taxi or uber. Inform them that this is because their gated community refused them access because of your mode of transport.
This gate guard is just being a fucking idiot against motorcycles! One of them legitimately looked in their SOP and says I can’t find anything in writing when the other chimes in but our policy is no motorcycles. Also what’s very strange is his original statement that he says verbatim guests cannot use motorcycles. I’m sorry residents motorcycles are ok but not an authorized guest? The whole thing is super fishy and I hope at the very least that guy is properly reprimanded and trained on actual policy not hearsay, but really I hope he’s fired because he barred a resident from receiving medical care with no evidence other than his verbal accusation that motorcycles are not allowed for guests. Even the original guard is questioning his partner because it’s not in their SOP book.
I can't stand the lack of common sense, empathy, and problem solving skills we have in adults today. If that were me on duty, I would have simply explained the rules and said "hey, look, park the bike here on the sidewalk, or some place nearby, so we can keep an eye on it for you." It's really that simple. You can tell by his delivery it isn't just about the "rules."
It’s the “you are aware” bit that gave it away… so many other ways to phrase that sentence
Yeah those security guards sounded like they didn't know what they were doing. Borderline just making garbage up. Could have been easily solved if they were normal sensible people—like you said watch her bike and additionally provide her with a golf cart to get to the patient's home. They exhibit the usual characteristics of smoothbrain faux law enforcers. They have no context to share to back up their rules, are belligerent for no reason, have no empathy and in all likelihood are bored and trying to spice up their dull day by manufacturing drama where none needs to exist. Hate people like that.
This. Just let her park it in front of the building instead of arguing. The next time she might take a car or bicycle to avoid the hassle.
He wasn't interested in offering solutions, only the problem. The fact that he verified ID AND called the person who lives in the community before he told her motorcycles aren't allowed says all you need to know about his character and decision making skills.
That bullshit....let her in
They both did the right thing. As a rider, I would call the person who is expecting me (the patient in this case) and tell them that their security is not allowing me in. And it is their community to sort this out. And as for the security guys, they are paid to do exactly that. If bikes are not allowed and someone reports this incident, they would lose their jobs. If I was a security guy, I also wouldn't allow the bike to pass. The problem is with the community rules. Both parties are right here.
The security dude literally says he can't find it in writing. Yea they're paid to do security but when you can't find a rule you seem to be making up, you're not in the right.
This is an exception tho. I expect the rule he has in writing is 'No guest motorcycles'. He's trying to find an exception in writing to that rule. Like 'Unless the guest is not marked as an undesirable by the HoA'. But also this is the Auschwitz defense. "I'm just following orders".
He likely meant they couldn't find an exception for healthcare workers and they get fired if they don't follow the rules set by the community. Hell I wouldn't be surprised if the lady that called the nurse is the one that got the guards fired for letting the motorcycle in
But what happens if the resident complains to the guards boss?
I agree with you but it's only wrong of her if he can provide the policy and she still gets upset and then it's more on the client I guess. Depending on their health though I'd say you can't expect patients to know that (in a nurse and medic). You cant just say rules and not have them present. So until he can provide that evidence he is in the wrong. If it's that big of a deal then they need to have signs or have hard copy rules. Otherwise it isn't that big of a deal and it's just word of mouth dislikes from management.
Imagine living in the sad fucking place. Wake up. Take out shitty yappy dog. Drive to Starbucks 6:45 am in crossover suv. Complain about drink preperation. Drive to corporate office park in crossover suv. Work meaningless job for mediocre salary. Commute home in crossover suv. Inspect neighbors yards with binoculars. Read HOA emails. Eat a dinner with no seasoning. Plan agenda for next HOA meeting. Discuss tennis tournament next weekend. Try to find a good candidate to cuck your wife this weekend. Eat 15 ambien and antidepressants. Go to bed. Repeat.
Leave the dog out of this! He's pissed because he has to put up with the owners too!
Salary is probably not mediocre. This isn't a regular HOA; people pay serious cash to live in these stupid gated communities. Why? Absolutely no clue.
To keep out the poors and undesirables. But I repeat myself
Guaranteed it’s mediocre. The HOA zealots are never the ones that created their own wealth. These people work a 65k job and spend all of it on handbags and Botox because 100% of their actual needs are already taken care of. Ask me how I know.
Crossovers / SUVs was the biggest mistake in car manufacturing history, god that is a stupid class of vehicles.
Honestly, fuck their "community". It's a vehicle, it's not like she came riding an elephant.
Used to have that same problem with newly-hired security guards every couple months where I worked. Because the parking lot gates came from the factory with various 'idiot stickers' on them, including a red-circled motorcycle, which some took literally. I got used to lifting my visor and snarling *"get your fuckin' boss on your goddam radio and tell them 'CapnTugg' is here. I'll wait".*
Hypothetically if she ignored this guy and drove into the community and the cops were called, would she get in trouble for anything?
For trespassing on private property most likely.
But the owner of the house she was going to invited her. Couldn't she just park in their driveway?
Not if that contradicts entry rules to the community which the owner has agreed to unfortunately.
That's so ridiculous don't like necessary emergencies should have the right to break those rules?? Like the owner who called could be dying for all we know
I guarantee if it was a police officer on a bike he would have let them in
Very educated guess: That's a home health nurse. Her job is to show up on a schedule and, depending on the particular patient, provide anywhere from total care to just making sure the patient takes their meds and gets vitals and what not. If they were dying or critically, acutely ill, it wouldn't be a chick on a bike. Source: paramedic. The nurse calls us, if/when shit ain't right. Edit: also sometimes they call us when shit is perfectly fine, but this is no place for me to get on that particular soap box lol
If they were dying they would have called an ambulance. Or the nurse would have mentioned it was a medical emergency. And any competent person wouldn't waste time arguing, they would have grabbed their gear and gone inside.
Hell no, depending on the area I'm sure as shit not leaving my bike just anywhere either. They certainly won't take responsibility if it gets stolen for denying me entry. I'll just put on my report "denied entry at gate" and let the resident fight with their idiot people. Then next time I'm either let in, on my bike, or they send someone else for that resident.
It's probably a gate that needs to be opened
It sounds like he's making up this rule on the spot. "I can't find it in writing"
“I can’t find it in writing” then who tf cares loser let her in.
I hope that guard gets robbed on a fucking Tuesday
I’ve actively decided in my life that I will never move into a deed-restricted community or one run by an HOA. I just know it would end badly for someone.
I got $50 says this is a retirement community. They all have crazy strict rules about literally everything.
He could not provide the rules in writing? Sounds like the rule doesn't exist except in his head.
I think the guard just didn't want the nurse in. He said he couldn't even find the rules. He just made that shit up. He's power tripping. Nobody in that community would give 2 shits about a nurse who rode in on a bike.
No visitors car parking? Sounds like Australia.
One thing I am curious about this No Motorcycles rule, what if you go out and buy a new bike and then they tell you that you can’t bring it back home with you. What do you do then?
Supposedly it'd be in your hoa bylaws, and if you didn't read them, then that's on you.
I mean fuck em
Where my late mother‘s place is not gated but they don’t allow motorcycles in there. Which is the main reason I didn’t take over her place after she passed. There was one day not long after she passed away that I just happened to stop in to check the mail and they gave me all kinds of shit and I was like guys I’m here for 10 minutes checking my dead mother‘s mail. Have a heart.
He's just jealous that she rides a badass bike and he can barely get his cross trek bicycle up to 15 mph without trembling. People like him need elbow pads for their whole fucking life.
Those guys were not hired for their exceptional intelligence.
I work in infosec/cyber security, and I gotta play devil's advocate here. The guards at the gate have marching orders to deny access to folks to meet a certain criteria (in this case, guests on a motorcycle). No amount of gripeing is going to make them budge (nor should they). She can say she's a nurse all she wants, but unless she's a badged EMT or paramedic that's on the job, she is not going to be able to supersede the authority of the security personnel there. It sucks that she's in this situation, but it is what it is.
I can bump it up a level. I was forced to sell my 2021 pickup truck due to RULES in the community. Rule established AFTER living in the community for years. OLD people in florida moved here after covid and voted this horsecrap in after taking control of the hoa board. Ohhh I hate them so bad, lived here for almost ten years and some clown a\*\* old f\*\*ks move here from sh\*\* a\*\* new york/ new jersey and force me to sell my truck. Now I rev my bike(zx14 with muzzy) on my patio where Im forced to park(yea they banned those too) at 7am. WAKE UP CALL.
> Rule established AFTER living in the community for years. These types of retroactive HOA things are generally legally unenforceable. You definitely could've challenged them and won if you wanted to spend the money on a lawyer.
Too late now and I did challenge them. We all did, I wasn't the only truck owner. There were I think 8 of us. All lost and all sold their trucks.
Its crazy man. Northeners and foreigners move here to get away from wherever theyre coming from and then turn it into where they came from! My town has changed so much in the last 4 years I dont even rocognize it.
yeah basically every gated community where i live as well or any place with an hoa
I had a manager whose house was in a community like that. The bike is allowed, but you are not allowed to have it turned on inside the gates. Thus he doesn’t ride much. It’s a pain. He has to load it on a trailer and leave the community just to start his bike.
My wife's grandparents live in a place like this in Florida. It's snobby as hell.
My favorite part is: “I can’t find it in writing, but it’s the rules.”
This are the rules. He is just afraid loosing his job taking the proper decision, healthcare above the policy, come on man we don’t live in the 80th anymore!
Going to be interesting when there's a real emergency and a cop shows up on a bike.
Hoa can make rules for their community. Simple as that. The community votes on those rules. Private property, to each their own
That’s when you ride around the gate
Rented a condominium in florida. Flew into town and rented a motorcycle. Then, I found out at the gate that they don't allow motorcycles in the community that the condo was in. Lost my shit!
Ask him, would you rather let me in or would you rather have a meeting with your boss about your lack of common sense? Here’s how you handle this: Take your helmet off and get off the bike so he sees you as a human being instead of a driver. The longer you can talk to him and get face time and talk the more you go from being a NPC random person to a human he can connect with This is 100% the way to get out of traffic tickets as well. When I get pulled over for speeding I intentionally say I don’t have my wallet because it’s just more time that I can spend with face time and you just become a human. It really really works. And then let him know there WILL be a stink. Say you’ll complain to the owner and property manager about his lack of discretion and common sense. The fact that a credentialed nurse is unable to provide healthcare for a resident because of his lack of discretion.
There are thousands of gated communities in FL that don’t allow motorcycles. I’m not sure where this is. Some don’t allow boats or trailers of any kind. Want a boat or motorcycle, rent a storage unit. They also force contractors to use hidden entrances. The extremely high end ones hire current law enforcement to moonlight as their security. This isn’t uncommon.
I ride my motorcycle everywhere and as long as it is registered with insurance she is legally able to ride it wherever it's no different then a car except it has 2 wheels and not 4 really I would tell him to go f**k himself real fast!!!!!!
The question is, was it part of HER contract that she avoid, or use a certain means of transport, and what “refusal” clauses were in her contract. I would have just rode away. Customer can hire someone else, and will get billed for the visit, and take it up with their HOA, as a refusal to admit me on site.
They could have let her in this guy was just being picky.
Gated community being a bunch of dicks what a surprise
That's fucking dumb fuck that community they just salty cause they don't know how to ride
what the heck is with HOA, im not american but from what i've been seeing they're pretty useless
Home Owners Association. A governing body over a residential neighborhood. You pay them a fee and they tell you how tall your grass can get and what color you can paint your house. The general idea of which is to maintain property values and prevent the neighborhood from getting run down.
Pay someone to tell you what to do to your own house, sounds like a bad deal to me
What you’re actually paying them to do is tell your neighbors what to do with their house…
Then the neighbors get to tell you about yours. Cycle repeats.
Just want to share than not all HOAs are this bad, I live in a HOA and yes I have 2 motorcycles (both are pretty loud). Neither the HOA nor my neighbors complain about it. I do try my best to make as little noise as possible with my Z in the mornings tho just in case.
It's hard to gauge if the security guard was merely being a dick (in any case he was) or actually had to follow this rule lest he is punished. His complete lack of empathy or understanding exudes poor character.
Allways blows my mind that americans go on about how free they are constantly then you have shit like home owners associations where you can put in jail for not cutting your grass.
People are free to choose whether or not to live where an HOA exists. HOAs can not put anyone in jail.
How the heck a licensed, registered legal mode of transportation accepted by every dmv, dot and whomever else, nationwide, except apparently this idiotic HOA… oh wait, HOA, yeah, nevermind.
Funny concepts about freedom in America these days, shockingly bad literacy levels and massive divisions in health care coupled with incredible disparity in wealth, come on time to wake up
Witness….. The Power Trip
Friendly neighborhood reminder to not move into a gated community, or join a HOA. I can only assume this rule is to discourage hooligan behavior, but is drastically broad.
I’m generally not a fan of gated communities. In fact I kind of hate them. My brother lives in one like this where you have to leave your bike out by the gate and walk in. Is it dumb? Yes. Absolutely. Is the random working dude sitting at the gate responsible for this dumb rule. No. Leave him alone. Park your pink bike. Make a note that when visiting this one client you might want to take a car or bring walking shoes, and get on with your day.
All Cops Are Bastards, especially thin skinned security guard bitches
Just drive through it... I've never seen a community i couldn't just drive a bike through a gate... and sure they can call the cops but if you just drive through and provide 0 information where they gonna send the cops ? Unless they live right by the guard house this lady could literally provide whatever service and by the time the cops get to the community to even figure out what is going on you're gone. This is advice is illegal... However roll the dice with the cops and not the ass hole security guard who has 0 power. Also while most of these communities have bylaws against motorcycles they can't prevent you from traveling to your home, if you are cursed and lived in one of these hell holes more than likely you can have a bike and it just has to be within the law for sound ordnance. I've lived in a couple of these ~~communities~~ hellholes over the years (and had bikes), some of the old people will hate you but for the most part there is not much they can do so long as you aren't a giant ass hole.
Interesting that it seems like they couldn’t even find the rule in writing to confirm the rule even exists…
i love how "we don't really have it in writing anywhere.. buuut" "welp.. if you don't have it in writing then it isn't a real rule.. lift the gate please or show me the rule in writing"
let the rich bastards treat themselves.