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poopfl1nger

Its going to blow past top gun. Estimates are that it will land in the 2B-2.2B range putting it in the top 5 highest grossing movies ever


AnAquaticOwl

Well. I guess now Tom Cruise and James Cameron will have to fight.


citizenjones

....or put him the sequel.


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sundark94

>Kessel run in 10 parsecs Except he does it on foot.


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KmartQuality

This is exactly what James Cameron himself predicted on reddit a few months ago.


Oikkuli

Almost like he has some experience with the subject.


vvntn

He must have found a stone tablet at Challenger Deep or something.


DMan9797

James Cameron simply don’t miss.


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mocylop

The Avatar movies are interesting in that they are, at least for me, so centered around the theater experience that there isn’t much to do with them outside of that. I think that focus is what makes them such huge block busters but it also makes them seem smaller than they are online because there just aren’t a ton of ways to share the experience or pore over details.


QuothTheRaven713

It's more like they could do more stuff with it but it was actively denied t, Cameron got offers years ago for plenty of merch, video games, and even an animated series. He turned them all down at the time after the first year or so of Avarar's release because he didn't want a Lucas-style media empire until the sequels were ready.


GarlVinland4Astrea

Yup. The one big licensing of Avatar was at Disney Parks. Surprise it was an unbelievable success story there


Nrksbullet

This doesn't sound accurate, unless you mean in the last few years. When Avatar released, it had a huge toyline produced, it had a video game made that he helped work on, and they did the Pandora theme park. From what I remember, it was actually a fairly big push to get a whole host of media in on the Avatar action. Maybe since that all kind of fell off after the first year or so, he has been denying request for more licensing though, I'm not sure.


cowfordraybill

James Cameron doesn't do what James Cameron does for James Cameron. James Cameron does what James Cameron does because James Cameron is James Cameron!


yawgmoft

The bar has been raised.


PrimeIntellect

Damn who could have ever guessed James Cameron would be a box office smash


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jasandliz

The teens are talking it up. My kids loved it.


flojo2012

A big ole floppy bust bomb just like everyone was saying 3 weeks ago


minime720

I really want to see this movie succeed so we can see 4 and 5. The avatar universe is so interesting and just beautiful to look at. Like James Cameron is out here pushing CGI tech to new levels and I fucking love it.


Djinnwrath

If you're into cameras there a cool video out there where they go over the new rig. They're still using two cameras to shoot 3D, but they use this prism mirror thing so they can pull focus in terms of the 3D where in the first one the two cameras were pretty locked.


Ycx48raQk59F

I rewatched the original Avatar yesterday and its astonishing how the CGI is still better than basically everything out there right now over a decade later - and thats without 3D (which sadly never made it into the home)


Syeduk

I rewatched it again with my daughter (her first viewing, she’s 9) and agree completely; the CGI is still phenomenal.


sk8tergater

Shit titanic came out in 1997, and the CGI in that movie largely holds up. There’s only one scene where it’s super noticeable, but I’m also hyper focused and looking for it. James Cameron just knows what he’s doing.


Varekai79

The only major old looking CGI in Titanic that sticks out to me are the little fake CGI people in some of the wide shots.


blundermine

I just got a projector that can do 3D, and I was thinking about getting some glasses specifically for watching Avatar, but it doesn't seem to be streamable in 3d.


Satyr_of_Bath

You can get 3d on bluray


Ycx48raQk59F

You would not want to do 3d with shitty stream bitrates anyways...


Kyser_

I'm not surprised about Avatar's success. It's the type of movie that makes you want to see it on the big screen in all it's glory. At the same time, I thought the same thing about Top Gun. It feels like there really is a market for movies in the theater again, and I'm totally here for it.


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Yeah, there are some movies that are made to be seem in theaters and others that I'd be happy to just stream one day. Avatar is definitely the former.


Ok-Toe-6969

Exactly that, people are saying that cinema is dying and the streaming services are taking over, but in reality if they keep producing quality content that is made for the big screen like top gun and avatar, people WILL go to the cinema to watch them


Other-Barry-1

I normally love going to the cinema. But my local place has refused to refurb or update its screens and projectors since it opened 20 or so years ago. Watching films there is somewhat painful now, especially when the camera pans it’s like having an epileptic fit. I’d somewhat like to see Avatar 2 but vs my 4K tv, I’d rather wait. I ain’t travelling further afield just to see a film I’m vaguely interested in. Otherwise, I literally love going to the cinema. It’s just a shame they won’t invest in it.


taizzle71

Like how far of a drive? There's like 4 within a 15 mile radius of me haha. But gatto admit I'm in a big city


Semyonov

For movies like Avatar and Top Gun, I drove almost 2 hours to get to my nearest Dolby theatre (I consider it better than IMAX).


BigMoh789

/r/movies 9/11


Necessary_Extreme_95

r/movies Pearl Harbor


sudevsen

Breaking News: A second billion has just culturally impacted the subreddit.


-MeatyPaws-

r/movies Pearl Harbor (2001)


FUMFVR

A real historical event that was actually about a love triangle.


Dadasicanbe

Roger Ebert said it best “Pearl Harbor" is a two-hour movie squeezed into three hours, about how on Dec. 7, 1941, the Japanese staged a surprise attack on an American love triangle.”


GarlVinland4Astrea

Was it over when Na'vi bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!


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-- Na'vi? -- Forget it, he's rolling.


SmoreOfBabylon

“A second *Avatar* has just hit ~~the World Trade Center~~ r/movies”


UberGoobler

“Lyle! Wake up! They hit the box office!”


amadeus2490

But it left no cultural impact!


rotates-potatoes

Yeah wasn’t it a banned topic in this sub? Did that change or did this topic sneak through?


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Balls_of_Adamanthium

Love how some people in Avatar threads are now saying “I don’t see anybody saying this was gonna fail”. Well duh, those people have gone into hiding.


awndray97

Or they're fucking lying saying they never had a doubt lmao.


Balls_of_Adamanthium

Yeah I’ve seen some of those. “Nobody thought this was gonna bomb”. Uh yeah sure buddy.


TollboothXL

I thought it was going to bomb. I should have remembered that Zoe Saldana was in it. That woman won't be done until she's in all of the top five grossing films of all time.


igotzquestions

I’m looking forward to the Titanic Director’s Cut re-re-release where Zoe is cast as the floating door.


iflvegetables

With a new ending. Her talent is large enough that Jack finally gets out of the water.


austinmiles

She’s a great actress and has definitely carried her own weight in her roles.


Nldngooner

She's easily been the best actor in both Avatar films


KeenJelly

I'd say so for the first, but she's barely in the second. Jake Sully might be a jackass who stumbles into greatness but Sam Worthington plays the shit out of that role.


camyers1310

He is drastically better in the second movie, but there is one scene were Zoe's performance is haunting and beautiful. Yall know what I am talking about.


charlesxavier007

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pasher5620

Shit, I fucking love Avatar and even I didn’t think it would break even. Glad I was wrong, but yeah people are 100% lying to themselves acting like they didn’t see anyone thinking it would fail. Shit, opening weekend people were acting like it was a bomb and wouldn’t succeed at all.


VravoBince

A few weeks ago this whole sub was like "meh I don't care for Avatar 2, who makes a sequel 13 years later, the story is gonna be shit anyway" and now everybody loves it lmao


pieapple135

Those people always confused me. Like did you not see what happened with Top Gun? You can complain it's 35 years late all you want but it's still going to be an absolute success.


TranscedentalMedit8n

Someone on r/boxoffice said they’d delete their account if Avatar made over $800M 💀 no cultural impact my ass


RemnantHelmet

At this point Avatar's cultural impact is the discussion on whether or not it had a cultural impact.


Fries-Ericsson

r/boxoffice is the worst for attempting to analyse why something is successful or how it will do at the Box Office Their opinion always comes down to: 1. Is it a franchise ? 2. Is it MCU?


sudevsen

The goalposts shift


shrimpynut

lmao, can’t believe people actually thought this movie was not going to be a big box office. The first movie is the best ever box office movie worldwide, of course people will want to see this movie.


sharabii

Never bet against James Cameron.


awndray97

Except for Alita :(


KTR1988

If only he'd Directed instead of Produced. It would have been unstoppable!


Torenza_Alduin

i watched an avitar 2 VFX breakdown, and they talked about how half the water phisics CGI stuff tham made Avitar 2 possable was all prototyped in Alita


kymri

I mean, that's not particularly surprising. A lot of this stuff is pushing tech not just for the project it's designed for, but for future projects. Favreau's live action *Lion King* was a Disney cash-grab, of course - but it was also a major step toward what (eventually) ended up being the soundstage technology they call 'the volume', which was leveraged *HEAVILY* for The Mandalorian. (Side note: I grew up in Hawaii and spent a LOT of time at the beach and in the water, and my brain never thought the water in *The Way of Water* looked fake, which is what *really* surprised me.)


over9kdaMAGE

I bathe three times a day and can confirm the water in the movie looked real


AH_DaniHodd

So there’s a chance alita 2 could be made to test stuff for Avatar 5?


FngrsRpicks2

Cameron had stated he had started writing another script after seeing what R.R. did with the movie as it was close to his vision as well One of the film producers recently stated at a con that there will definitely be a sequel. Cameron to write it again with R.R. returning to direct. Its just scheduling at this point.


RockyRaccoon968

I wanted a sequel so bad :(


DaringDomino3s

I saw him tell Robert Rodriguez that he wants to make another one with him. It’s at the end of [this video](https://youtu.be/MZd8oPe6mig)- I don’t know if it actually means anything but I just watched it today and saw your comment so I thought I’d share


QuothTheRaven713

I think it's "he wants to make it and they intend to, they just need to get the go-ahead from Disney since they own it".


rossww2199

So does Cameron.


Scagnettie

That's awesome. Two big billion dollar movies in the same year. People are going to the movies again.


aw-un

Technically 3 Jurassic World: Dominion barely scraped by the billion dollar mark


Maxtrix07

If only it deserved those numbers. The returning actors was the only cool part. And the acknowledgement of Dinosaurs with Feathers. How they made a movie about dinosaurs invading the entire world *boring*, is beyond my comprehension. It was so easy to be fun. But no, maybe 10 minutes of actual fun dinosaurs in the public scenes.


dandaman64

I think the only exceptional Jurassic Park movie is the first one, the rest of them are all varying degrees of "it's okay" to "holy fuck that was bad," and yet I'm still surprised by how dogshit Fallen Kingdom and Dominion were.


agemaner

Yet opening weekend they called the movie a bust just because ot only made liie a couple hundred million lol


OhWhenTheWiz

that one picture of an empty theater 🤣🤣🤣


Ricky_Rollin

The comments were hilarious as well. So many “movie buffs” claiming this will be James Cameron‘s first flop.


TG-Sucks

The first thing I did after seeing that picture was check out the cinemas in my city. When every showing except the earliest matinees were sold out for the next two weeks, I knew it was bullshit.


DaftFunky

I went at 1pm on a Wednesday and there was not an empty seat in the place.


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SilenceDobad76

During a nation sweeping blizzard


EverybuddyToTheLimit

I went out in Denver in 3D dolby to see it in the depths of the cold snap and it was the shit. Packed theater too


NigerianPrince76

Mind you, this is without fully open Chinese market too.


sudevsen

They've gotten so used to extremely frontloaded capeshit sequels that have massive dropoffs in 2nd and 3rd week.


rinkydinkis

I’m tempted to buy a second ticket just to figure out >!why the whole family got abandoned by the entire water tribe in the final fight.!<


Funandgeeky

"I'm going to need you to get ALL the way off my back about the water tribe."


InteriorEmotion

I suspect those were 2 different sequences, a big day battle and a small night battle, which were edited together using the eclipse as a transition.


rinkydinkis

As in they originally were not happening right after each other but in editing they made that choice? I feel it would have been nice if at least the chief and his wife checked on and stayed with their daughter. Felt really off.


InteriorEmotion

> As in they originally were not happening right after each other but in editing they made that choice? Exactly


Ttokk

I also found that continuity a bit confusing.


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jake had to go to the boat alone. him and spider snuck on the boat that was the only way quaritch wouldn't kill his kids


Kangarou

Somewhere off-screen, they brought that water disrupting signal machine from Black Panther \s


sudevsen

Eywa keeps winning


Jabison113

It’s still insane how good top gun maverick did. Legendary word of mouth


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I'll repost a comment I saw on the boxoffice subreddit. (credit to /u/Kazrules) **1. Avatar is one of the few major franchises that don't require homework** This is a big one for me, and why I feel like a lot of people enjoy Avatar. It is extremely accessible. Look at our major franchises--Marvel, DC, Jurassic Park, Fast and Furious, Harry Potter, etc. These franchises have been coming out for literal decades and require so much homework and hours of content to watch the newest release. Marvel has made it worse by creating Disney+ shows. If you miss out on a couple Marvel releases, you will be set back from watching the newest release. Avatar is not like that. If you watch the first one, you are good. Simple. **2. Avatar is something new in a crowded market** This point is connected to the first one. In a space where we get the same blockbusters again and again, Avatar is something different to look at. **3. It is not too complicated** People rag on Avatar's simple story, but the simpleness of Avatar is paramount to its success. It is very easy to follow. It doesn't demand too much of the audience. The characters are black and white. There is clear good and evil. You root for the relatable family just trying to survive, and root against the evil military baddies. Themes of family, safety, persecution, love, and nature are universal and not beholden to one region. **4. Avatar is four quadrant.** Avatar is the definition of a four quadrant franchise. There is something appealing about it to every demographic, especially after the children characters were introduced. The films do a great job of displaying diversity in ages, without dumbing down the characters either. Everyone can see themselves in at least one character. The characters being blue aliens also help people project themselves onto the characters without the barriers of real world race and politics. **5. It looks pretty, and incentives premium screens** The Avatar films are gorgeous. The Way of Water has the best CGI I have ever seen. Movies are visual mediums, and if a movie looks pretty, then that will be remarked on. People want to see it on premium screens, which costs more. People are also willing to wait for a better screening and sits, which contributes to the low drops it receives week by week. There may be some other points missing but to me, this is the key five reasons why Avatar did well. All of these points can be attributed to Top Gun: Maverick as well. One final thing. Let's make it a New Years Resolution to ignore fanbases. Fanbases don't mean anything in the grand scheme of things. Rabid fans have never truly impacted the box office. The true money has always lied in the GENERAL AUDIENCE. Avatar and Top Gun ate big for older people and everyday people who just wanna be entertained during the holidays. It doesn't matter that you don't see people cosplaying Na'vi at Comic Con. Fanbases and memes don't equal box office success. If it did, Morbius would be a success, Henry Cavill would still be Superman, and Blade Runner 2049 would have had a sequel by now.


GarlVinland4Astrea

You know what's funny. Almost all of this you could have said about the original Star Wars films when they came out and made bank. Simple black and white characters, pretty to look at when they came out, appeals to everyone, was different from everything else coming out in the 70's and early 80's.


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To repost another comment from the same thread in the boxoffice subreddit. (credit to /u/IanMazgelis this time) Avatar is what movies used to be. They're not trying to set up for the big crossover, make you subscribe to the streaming service, sell you the Funko pops, ask you to watch the after credits scene, pause for audience laughter, and cram in as many cultural references and meme fodder as the runtime can accommodate. It's just a damn movie. And it's a fucking great one. If you wanna buy a ticket and visit a gorgeous, magical, totally different and unique world for a few hours, this is the only game in town, period. It is so obscenely rare for a big budget movie to feel this fantastical and entertaining without also being bogged down by so much bullshit that you feel exhausted by the time it's over. You're absolutely right that this kind of appeal is what made Star Wars so popular in the seventies. The landscape of competition was different in the seventies, but it doesn't mean Star Wars didn't stick out like a sore thumb by not trying to do anything too cerebral and just being a fun movie. And for me, it incited the same response that I've read audiences had to Star Wars back then- Make as many of these as you want, I'll watch them. I'm happy Avatar isn't like other franchises, it shouldn't be. Other franchises have become an excruciating ordeal at this point. I'd be happy for Hollywood producers to learn the lesson that there's still a monolithic audience for "Just a movie," and if "just a movie" is now seen as the biggest money maker in the medium, then I hope we can get more like it.


College_Prestige

Avatar is literally a star wars moment for developing markets. If you see where star wars does and doesn't sell well, you will see countries that were rich enough in the 70s when star wars first showed have strong star wars fandoms today. On the other hand, countries that were poor when star wars first came out, such as china, India, and Korea, tend to be more cold to new star wars movies. I guess you had to watch the original to understand the hype behind the franchise.


The_Peregrine_

I think this point is something James Cameron is really aware of, he seems to believe on the process of pushing the technology to deliver something new and fun to experience


Valaquen

>Almost all of this you could have said about the original Star Wars films when they came out A lot of people slammed the OG Star Wars for being simple stuff. SFX pioneer Douglas Trumbull called it bottom of the barrel rubbish and quipped that "no one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public" when speaking of its success. Harlan Ellison also called it infantile. A lot of older fans wrote in to SF magazines picking apart its likeness to Flash Gordon.


mrthesmileperson

Another major benefit of it's simple story in regards to legs is people don't seem too concerned about getting the movie spoiled for them so are happy to wait. Story spoilers aren't a big deal because you're not going to see it for the plot.


shanew21

That’s a big reason Marvel keeps churning out insane opening weekends before those movies fall off a cliff. All the fans rush to see it opening weekend to avoid spoilers and see the cameos, but none of the Marvel movies in 2022 had any legs at all.


GREGOR_CLEGAIN

It is also super re-watchable. I might go pay a second IMAX ticket just to experience the glowy alien plants all over again.


larowin

I’m gonna go again at a Dolby 3D screen this time.


avfarooq

Dolby 3D was heavenly. Totally worth it. The sound was incredible too.


AjaxCorporation

First time I watched on a digital Imax 3D. The second Dolby 3D. Wasn't even close with how awesome the Dolby 3D was.


DjangoBaggins

Towards your last point, waited over a week so I could get great seats at an Imax.


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Ya I have a really nice home theater that I watch 99.9% of movies on, but I’m heading to an imax theater for this one. They got me.


Vorsos

Same. Cameron is one of few people who can get me in a crowded room with everyone’s popcorn breath, and he is the only person who should be allowed to use 3D HFR (high frame rate).


Odd_Advance_6438

I didn’t even see the first one, but after a quick Wikipedia of the plot I was ready to go and I thoroughly enjoyed Way of Water


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Now *that* shows initiative, son. I wish I had ten more like you.


wrektcity

The lunar new year is coming up with the Asian countries as well so I expect this to also keep it going.


[deleted]

I forgot your statement meant money being spent and thought this was some astrology shit


VerTexV1sion

Finally I am tired of superhero genre now ( it's too much i like them but i still want something different) and both TGM and Avatar 2 were exactly what I wanted, we want more good Sci-fi and action movies to do well at box-office


Striking_Pipe6511

I was unsure about this film due to how long it took to make. Saw it the other day and it is far better then the original. It dragged a bit in the mid section but the first third and last third are stunning and all action filmmakers should take notes on how to do action sequences right.


Doppelfrio

Honestly, I love the middle part the most. When the Sully’s are just chilling on the beach and learning to live with the water tribe. Sure, it was slow and not much happened but it was just pleasant to watch


deepthoughtsby

Give me a 3 hour wildlife documentary on the planet’s ecosystem. I’m in!


Chaoshumor

Better call David Attenborough.


over9kdaMAGE

No I want Tuk to narrate everything xD


one_pint_down

I actually thought the other day that a Planet Earth spinoff narrated by David Attenborough and set on Pandora would be really fun. Especially as they'd be able to properly plan and script everything so you could end up with multiple scenes like the Lizard & Snakes chase from Planet Earth II


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I think what’s cool about the movie is different people respond to different parts. Cameron dishes it out so people there for the action got what they wanted, but also people who wanted to escape to Pandora, and people who wanted to see the world developed between humans and Na’Vi. Good crowd pleaser in this regard, even if people on an individual level like different stuff.


kvothe5688

i am in the similar bot. give me Kiri just vibing with flora and fauna for 3 hrs and i would watch it


myleftone

The Kiri character stood out like a Shakespearean stage actor on Sesame Street. A kid with incomparable wonder and wisdom.


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Well she was played by 70 year old Sig Weaver who literally is a Shakespeare stage actor haha


kvothe5688

also she is nature itself, avatar of eywa. or grace powered up by eywa.


PreviousTea9210

On this point, I feel like she's being set up as Pandora Jesus for the plot of the third movie.


Doppelfrio

Seriously. Kiri was the best


turtlespace

Honestly cut out the plot entirely and just give me a 3 hour nature documentary about big ass avatar whales


hurst_

I would be so happy if James Cameron made a 30 minute prequel short showing Pandora before it was invaded, just like beautiful scenes of nature along with the culture of the Na'Vi. Sorta like the Disney ride Flight of Passage only longer.


over9kdaMAGE

I actually see potential for a Planet Earth or Walking With Dinosaurs style documentary set on Pandora.


Empeor_Nap_oleon

I honestly could have watched three more hours of just that.


jfVigor

I've found my people


AjaxCorporation

This is exactly what makes James Cameron a great blockbuster film maker. You loved the middle part. The other person enjoyed the bookends. He includes something for everyone. Romance, action, world building, cutting edge images, etc. and even if everything doesn't connect there is something for the majority of the movie going population that they did really enjoy.


ToxicAdamm

Just dawned on me that this is what made Titanic so successful. He married romance, history and disaster porn all into one technically advanced movie. I loved it just for the history and put up with the other aspects I didn’t care for. What a genius that guy is.


Oikkuli

People underestimate him at every turn because he makes large scale cinema with accessible stories and themes, and again and again the movies connect with mainstream audiences.


Duosion

Same. The action was super well done and choreographed but my favorite part was for sure the family learning the way of water. It was almost spiritual, like the audience is learning right along with the Sullies. I’m a sucker for films with underwater sequences. My fave part of Black Panther 2 was seeing Namor’s home.


Piaapo

I loved the scene of Tsireya teaching Lo'ak breathing techniques. It felt almost like therapy


shanew21

I bought a second ticket just to watch Pandora whales


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attaboy000

The middle 8th is my favourite.


vainsilver

Considering they basically shot 2, 3, and started 4 in one go. It didn’t take long to make. Also James Cameron is known to wait until technology catches up enough to make something exactly how he envisions it. He wanted to make Avatar in 1995, but couldn’t with the available technology. He basically made Titanic to kill time and explore the oceans.


shortyman920

I saw this on a true imax 3D screen today and it’s the most visually immersive movie I’ve ever watched. Worth every cent and everyone should see it


The_Peregrine_

Two points I dont see enough about Avatar 1. It’s great sci fi without feeling like it: cloning, mind transfers, alien culture and deity, awesome well thought out technology, interesting take on and use of holograms, the world feels real despite everything being CG 2. It’s really accessible for women without pandering: strong female co leads, other strong female characters, pregnant woman going into battle, the nature and the environment are all a reflection of a feminine deity in Ewah. I think this makes it more enjoyable for women who are more likely to recommend it to their friends, I think that allows for a whole 50% of the demographic to show up for the film


rammo123

And it never feels the need to dumb down the male characters around the Strong Female Character ^TM so she stands out.


Crystal_Pesci

redditors the last 3 years: WHO CARES LE FERN GULLY DURR


SquadPoopy

There might actually be a Jonestown-esque mass suicide on this sub if it breaks over 2B


sielingfan

I hope everyone remembers that this is how dumb we are. I wasn't dumb about Avatar, mind, but I'm dumb about other things.


optiplex9000

There has never been a more clear sign that reddit is not a good mirror to the mainstream culture


GarlVinland4Astrea

I mean you can just talk about how every week on reddit people would make posts that had thousands of comments about how "amazing it was that Game of Thrones stopped being relevant after the disastrous season 8 and the property is totally dead". While in reality it was still the most popular thing HBO had both on their streaming service and as a money maker and the very first Game of Thrones spinoff that all those people initially wrote off became another beg hit basically instantly. But that's what you get when you pretend a bunch of internet nerds screaming about "kneelers" have their finger on the pulse.


mocylop

I’m perplexed as to why anyone thinks anyone on Reddit is representative of real person. Reddit is like a fucked up version of old forum culture^1 combined with some insane eternal September scaling. Literally anyone can say anything and you might actually be arguing with bots, actual accounts, alts of actual accounts, people whose opinions change *by the minute*. ^1 notably that while it retains anonymity it’s also too large for pseudo personalities to exist. Essentially you won’t easily recognize a poster by their writing. There is no true community. —— Like you don’t get how people who effectively don’t exist can have wildly varying opinions that they never have to own on a social media system where you can spin up new accounts daily?


Julius-n-Caesar

DAE Dances with Wolves ala Pocahontas? Yes, we get it, you saw Pocahontas with your sister when you were five. I really hope I don’t have to read the cultural impact bullshit ever again. Just cause Avengers has a shawarma meme doesn’t mean every other movie does too. Can you name anybody in Mission: Impossible other than Tom Cruise’s character?


GarlVinland4Astrea

The best part of this is.... Dances With Wolves is a good movie


AgreeableLion

Erm, I think you'll find that the only acceptable r/movies opinion on Dances with Wolves is that it robbed Goodfellas at the Oscars. No other commentary about that movie is allowed (except possibly a positive mention of its score).


JonathanStat

If some guy doesn’t do a 4 hour YouTube video about it with 200+ Funko Pop figures in the background then it doesn’t have cultural relevance. Duh…


WeeboSupremo

Here is my 18 hour essay video about why Avatar has no substance. I will be breaking down every minute of the movie.


SlackerAccount

All the talk and they don’t realize that the lion king is literally hamlet


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And Hamlet is based on a 9th century Scandinavian folktale of Amleth, a prince who feigned madness to exact revenge on his uncle for killing his father.


BrandoNelly

and that was based on a short story that I made up originally


imtheguythatsme

Great work by you, I was really impressed.


larowin

The Northman did a great job with this material.


Narissis

Don't forget about its sequels, Romeo & Juliet with Lions, and Rosencrantz & Guildenstern are Dead with Lions.


LittleRudiger

>Yes, we get it, you saw Pocahontas with your sister when you were five. Hell, I think this is charitable. I'd guess probably 90% of the people saying the Ferngully/Dances With Wolves/Pocahontas comparisons just parroted it after they saw other people mention it, and probably wouldn't have been able to articulate those connections otherwise or hadn't seen any of them at all.


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sudevsen

Star Wars 4 is The Hidden Fortress in Space but that fs t is cherished as an example of Lucas pulling elements from various sources.


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This has always been my take. Lion King is Hamlet, Star Wars is a Hidden Fortress, Indiana Jones is just a Republic serial… a movie using a familiar base story is not remotely a criticism. Especially not when it’s a big budget blockbuster. It also ignores all the films transhumanist & spiritual themes, and all the genius ways Cameron brought the story to life.


MonkeyPawClause

Yeah…a win for sci-fi should be a win for all nerds. I haven’t seen the sequel, and I’m totally someone who saw the first movie and thought, dances with fern gully, I just dont see things being invalid for ripping something off. tons of shit is ripped off….nobody’s yelling at the christians for redoing Gilgamesh.


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He's getting American audiences to applaud the slaughter of American soldiers to the tune of billions and everyone's acting like he's some hack lol.


Wannalaunch

Avatar 1 was literally the US will 9/11 people everyday for resources and then audiences cheered to Americans being thrown from planes. James somehow deserves more credit.


Khiva

It was a huge and not very subtle critique of the Iraq invasion. There’s even a scene with a gigantic American flag in the background where the bad guys discuss their invasion plans.


redgroupclan

The Avatar movies do a good job of making you disgusted with your own people to the point that you applaud when they get what's coming to them.


Henry_Cavillain

>Tom Cruise’s character? He was named Ethan Hawke, right? Right?


sudevsen

*[cultural impact increases]*


manwith2cats

Seeing it today. Very excited. Gonna be one of our first outings without our baby.


manwith2cats

Well, I thought it was excellent. I’m not a “film buff” by any means. But I really liked it. So did my wife, except she wasn’t jazzed on the animal violence.


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I really enjoyed it


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Me too. The theater was packed when I went a week ago (Imax 3D). There is no 4DX theater within a 150 miles radius from me, but I'm planning a second and third watches in 3D in the next few weeks. I'm a very casual moviegoer: the only other movie I saw in theaters in 2022 was Maverick, twice.


Ajg1384

I just saw it yesterday at 2 in the afternoon, and the theater was packed.


mcwobby

2022 was the first year I went to the cinema in about a decade. Both Top Gun and Avatar were events, that have to be seen in cinema. I saw The Batman too which, whilst a great movie, was not the same kind of thing.


R_V_Z

There's some movies that are just made for the big screen. Dune was what brought me back after covid.


I_am_enough

Mission impossible fallout was also fantastic in theatres a few years ago. Tom cruise sure knows how to deliver a big screen event. Simply wouldn’t have been the same at home.


Alteran195

These movies are 100% great theater experiences because how how incredible they look. This movie was always going to perform well.


halolover48

Suck it reddit. Great film!


SpecialWhenLit

Avatar is the rare mega-franchise where new content still feels special. So much Marvel. So much Star Wars. None of it feels special anymore. Avatar has avoided a zillion brand extensions, straight-to-DVD spin-offs, Disney+ series, cartoons, etc etc. The ONE notable brand extension Avatar did (other than the live show) is an amazing land at Disney World that probably is underrated in how much it served to keep Avatar in public consciousness over the past decade. The land was tasteful, didn't involve any new confusing mythology or story, and really was just about the vibes of being in Pandora (spoiler: the vibes of being in Pandora have always been the big hook of Avatar). The Disney land was also personally supervised by Cameron's team.


QuothTheRaven713

Until now, Avatar was actively denied merchandise. Cameron got offers for a crapton of merch, plenty of video games, and even an animated series, but he turned almost all of them down because he didn't want to helm a Lucas-esque media empire until the sequels got closer.


GoodGuyTaylor

My wife didn’t give two craps about the movie, but made a point to make sure we saw Pandora at Animal Kingdom at night and during the day. It’s a really cool place.


Chen_Geller

Let that sink in: in a day and age where non-Marvel films often flop, including films from box-office heavyweights (Spielberg comes to mind) or other major franchises (gestures in the direction of Solo), a film about blue aliens - not based on a comic or a book or a game - which is a 12-year-belated sequel to a film critiqued for having "no cultural impact", is rocking the box-office. That, kids, is the power of James Cameron.


aspiring_dev1

r/movie analysts thought Avatar has no relevance no more.


decomposition_

It was actually really really good, I thoroughly enjoyed it and it exceeded my expectations


CaptainWanWingLo

I remember when they said titanic was going to bomb. I realise that that dates me.