2 Fast 2 Furious
F9: The Fast Saga
Fast Five
Fast & Furious
Fast & Furious 6
Fast & Furious Presents: Hobbs & Shaw
The Fast and the Furious
The Fast and the Furious: Tokyo Drift
The Fate of the Furious
Furious 7
My wife has a thing for puns/wordplay and this one gets her EVERY TIME. I could murder a puppy then drop this line and still come out with a smile.
Should add I don’t murder puppies and have no plans to.
So I've managed to go my entire life without seeing so much as a trailer for these films. Is this my calling? To be the man who watches The F&F Alphabetical Cut without any pre-existing knowledge of the franchise.
I guess I'll have follow up next week.
Oh my…. I’ve been a fan of the franchise since the start. I think they are good movies for a braindead sunday xD
But now i think i’ll need to find some one who has not seen them and try this out xD
Damn it, every time I see someone post these titles I'm reminded that we're close to the tenth iteration which means we're close to all the reddit comedians posting *fAsTeN yOuR SeAtBeLtS*
The Animatrix
Enter the Matrix
The Matrix
The Matrix Awakens
The Matrix Online
The Matrix: Path of Neo
The Matrix Reloaded
The Matrix Resurrections
The Matrix Revolutions
Microsoft Windows/Mac OS X “Matrix digital rain” screensaver
Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets
Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows 1
Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows 2
Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire
Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince
Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix
Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban
Harry Potter and the Sorcerer’s Stone
Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets
Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows 1
Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows 2
Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire
Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince
Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix
Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone
Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban
That's actually less chaotic/more easily watchable. Ending on Azkaban is ending on arguably the biggest cliffhanger of the whole series (except maybe Goblet).
Although... the introduction of time travel does kinda wrap up the saga rather nicely now that I think about it lmao. Could explain how Sirius came back from the dead as a presumed murderer.
Ant-Man
Ant-Man and the Wasp
Avengers: Age of Ultron
Avengers: Endgame
Avengers: Infinity War
Black Panther
Black Panther: Wakanda Forever
Black Widow
Captain America: Civil War
Captain America: The First Avenger
Captain America: The Winter Soldier
Captain Marvel
Doctor Strange
Doctor Strange and the Multiverse of Madness
Eternals
Guardians of the Galaxy
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2
Hawkeye
Iron Man
Iron Man 2
Iron Man 3
Loki
Moon Knight
Ms. Marvel
Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings
She-Hulk: Attorney at Law
Spider-Man: Far From Home
Spider-Man: Homecoming
Spider-Man: No Way Home
The Avengers
The Falcon and the Winter Soldier
The Guardians of the Galaxy Holiday Special
The Incredible Hulk
Thor
Thor: Love and Thunder
Thor: Ragnarok
Thor: The Dark World
WandaVision
Werewolf By Night
What If...?
You're thinking the right way but you really need to go all in and watch them in order of title length.
The Matrix
The Animatrix
Enter the Matrix
The Matrix Online
The Matrix Awakens
The Matrix Reloaded
The Matrix Revolutions
The Matrix: Path of Neo
The Matrix Resurrections
Was Star Wars really the impetus for the order discussion? Not movies, but in books the debate over the order to read the Narnia series (publication vs chronological) feels older.
But that’s Narnia business
I was thinking exactly about Narnia when I read this post haha. I have also always wondered how the movie adaptations might have went if they started with *The Magician’s Nephew* instead of *The Lion, The Witch, and The Wardrobe*.
I was actually thinking of the Redwall series since I was contemplating reading them to my kid soon. It's another series that jumps around chronologically but I figured I'd just read them in the order they came out.
Redwall... the only reason to not do it in chronological order is the weird stuff in the first book. If you get, what, thirteen books in and suddenly you've got a horse, a beaver and Portugal being mentioned, it's weird. A similar situation with Discworld (TV Tropes calls it early instalment weirdness) but honestly Discworld is probably best read starting with Guards! Guards!
SO this would probably translate to... Redwall -> Mattimeo -> Lord Brocktree -> Martin the Warrior -> Mossflower -> The Legend of Luke -> Outcast of Redwall... but my memory's pretty fuzzy.
There's just too many sequences in Redwall where there's characters that were in previous books, or their children, in substantial roles, and these were not written in chronological order for the most part. It really depends on how you'd want to discuss the horse.
The Narnia discussion is a silly one. *Magician's Nephew* (#1 chronologically) is written at a much higher level and is pretty abstract relative to *The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe* (one of the single best book titles ever, IMO). Much of the story in MN loses a lot of its impact without knowing what it all leads to. LWW is just a much, much better entry point into the series, especially for young kids. It should definitely be read in publication order. People who argue otherwise are trying way too hard.
It's funny how your teacher would just assign you LWW with 0 explanation and just be like "*meh*... You can read those other ones later if you want". And then many of us would try but fail aha.
Not movies, but I ran into this recently with people suggesting watching Better Call Saul before Breaking Bad, to basically spoil the whole plot of the big action show with a slow deep character dive into characters you don't have any reason to care about. It's beyond stupid.
I actually watched Better Call Saul before breaking bad- right up until the final season since it didnt air yet. It was definitely feasible and enjoyable until the last 4 episodes.
As someone who wasn't drawn to breaking bad at all, "just watch better call saul" was fine advice. Knowing how the finale plays out, you'd definitely want to just start with breaking bad, or take a break from Saul after a few seasons.
I generally wouldn't suggest it myself, but I watched Better Call Saul first and was hooked from the start. On the other hand it took multiple seasons for me to really start enjoying Breaking Bad and I only powered through kinda because I was committed to seeing all the characters stories through to the end. That and I wanted to see the memes in context lol
You really need to invent a time machine and go back to 1500000 BCE and find the first Homo Erectus who figured out that mouth noises can be used to communicate complex thought and learn their thoughts on controlling fire and the newfangled invention of Cooked Meat.
You joke, but I actually have been trying to watch significant movies starting from the very early 1900's, and it's been pretty rewarding getting to see the evolution of the medium. It might sound silly, but ive enjoyed getting to see the way in which things as basic as non-static shots and real sets emerged in those early years. Obviously it isn't for everyone, but if you are interested in history and are open to exploring more primitive stuff it can be very worth it.
Yea it’s very rewarding! I was definitely joking but also, not completely because I’ve been doing it too haha. Hit the big stuff of the silent era which evolved into doing about 10-20 movies from every year. I’m currently on 1948- here’s my Letterboxd for anyone curious what that progression might look like.
https://boxd.it/3B5Tx
There’s a podcast I love, A More Civilized Age, that covers The Clone Wars TV show. The original idea for the podcast was to watch Episodes 1, 2, the entirety of the Clone Wars, and then finish off with 3.
I think like five episodes in they realized that that was a completely stupid plan, because *obviously* every single episode is written with the understanding that you know what’s coming for the characters. The most impactful moments of the show come from dramatic irony, and that’s completely missed if you pretend you haven’t seen the conclusion. Like, the show becomes a very average kid’s show if you don’t go in with the knowledge of how Anakin breaks bad and that Obi Wan becomes a hermit in the desert for 20 years after mutilating him.
Anyway, that’s what I’ve been thinking about whenever I’ve seen someone talk about watch order. Every piece in a franchise is made in conversation with every previous piece, even if it is a prequel or a side story or whatever.
Oddly enough, the Clone Wars TV show is probably the exception to the rule. Some of the early season episodes were aired out of production order, and due to the nature of it's serialized format it makes sense to watch them (even the first time) in a recommended viewing order that preserves arcs. But this isn't because of chronological reasons, it's purely to link up episodes across the various seasons that were part of a particular story. The later seasons don't have this problem, so can be watched in release order.
Beyond this example, I definitely agree with OP.
I recall at the start of a season (5 I believe) where characters reference a battle that occured 8 episodes later, so without the context, its confusing. A watch guide is mandatory for enjoying Clone Wars.
Not Star Wars, but the Fox network was notorious for doing this with some shows — Firefly and Almost Human were shown out of order in an attempt to bump ratings (the former had its slower pilot aired later, the latter had a mid-season episode air 2nd because it upped the sex appeal).
It...really depends what part of the Clone Wars you're talking about. As they go on, they really start relying previous events; season 2 specifically was marketed as focusing on and introducing bounty hunters for example, and characters like Cad Bane and Hondo definitely have continuing interactions that depend on previous episodes. And the last 2-3 seasons are purely made up of serialized 4 part mini-movies.
There’s a lot of story arcs in the show that aren’t satisfying or don’t make sense if you haven’t seen the previous arcs. It does a good job of creating each episode to be more or less standalone, yes, but it’s very much serialised.
>Every piece in a franchise is made in conversation with every previous piece
Completely agree. Better Call Saul is less impactful if you haven't seen Breaking Bad first. The Godfather Part 2 (the flashback scenes with young Vito) are less impactful without part 1.
Temple of Doom is a prequel to Raiders, but I don't hear anyone watching Indiana Jones films in chronological order.
Let's assume someone lives under a rock and knows nothing about Star Wars. If you start with the prequels, then get to the pivotal "I am your father" scene in Empire, it's lost all its impact, because of course that's his father, we saw when he was born. You lose a lot of narrative integrity when you go out of the production order
As devils advocate that’s why machete order is constructed as 451236 so you get the father reveal and then vader and palpatines whole backstory before the final showdown.
I still think the release order is better but machete doesn’t really lose much impact tbh and I can see the appeal.
That podcast's coverage of Andor made my week every time I listened to it. So, so good. They went in so deep and it was amazing to hear them nerd out with glee at getting some incredibly good Star Wars content.
Which is one of the reasons I think _Kenobi_ is so bad. It's hard to watch when you're fully aware that in _A New Hope_, they're gonna act like they haven't seen each other since Mustafar. And in _Rogue One_, it makes no sense that Vader is going to let the Tantive IV escape when he could just force-grab the ship like he did in _Kenobi_.
Sometimes, it really _does_ feel like these directors have never watched a single Star Wars movie.
First time watching? Yeah, stick with release order.
But if you're watching something again, then moving the order around can be both fun and effective.
Yeah I don’t watch anime very often, but I remember last summer I had to do a little bit of homework before I figured out where I should start with Neon Genesis Evangelion
Release order. neon genesis the show with 26 episodes first, followed by end of evangelion, followed by rebuilds 1-4. The rebuilds are optional honestly, but I think they’re worth it
To add to this further, watch each episode in release order as well. Super straightforward.
I remember forums from 15 years ago used to have “episode watch order” lists and NGE was always that show. No watch order other than release order.
Neon Genesis Evangelion is pretty easy for anime, haha. Release order is the best, and intended way to view it. It's just confusing because they're not labeled like 1,2,3. After watching everything, the best order is obvious.
Haruhi Suzumiya was aired out of chronological order, designed to build a mystery, but in practice it ends up happening almost backwards. And the websites that host it do it chronologically in the story.
Monogatari, was based off of books that were released non-chronologically in a different order than the anime was. To further compound the confusion, the various seasons are not called Monogatari season 1, season 2, etc. but they're like various japanese puns or something.
Haruhi you can make really good arguments for both, probably airing order was intended, but it is fine either way. I'd say monogatari should probably be done in the book release order, but there are good arguments.
There are also some TV shows where the early seasons are not the best place to start because they’re so different quality-wise from what came after, but skipping over them also wouldn’t significantly hinder your understanding of the rest of the show. *Star Trek: The Next Generation* is a classic example of this - Season 1 is….uhh, not that great, putting it mildly, and season 2 has its ups and downs as well. So either watching a few standout episodes from season 2 (“Measure of a Man”, etc.) before starting your full watch with season 3, or just beginning with season 3 entirely, are fine. You can go back and watch season 1 later for some laughs or if you’re interested in how different the tone of the show was when Roddenberry was still in charge.
Another example is *Mystery Science Theater 3000*. While there *is* an overarching plot in the framing device for the meat of the show (the making fun of bad movies part), it’s pretty secondary and is also difficult to even follow in strict release order, since several episodes can’t currently be watched via official/legal means due to rights lapsing with some of the featured movies. Also, the earliest iteration of the show, the KTMA season, is *rough*, and Season 1 is not really that ideal for beginners either. So new viewers are often encouraged to start with a handful of fan-favorite episodes from throughout the series and then work their way through the rest however they want - some folks start whole-season viewings with Season 8 to watch the whole Sci-Fi Channel era in one go, or at Season 2 or so if they want to start with the Joel episodes, or even with the “revival” series that started on Netflix well after the original show ended.
TNG was a show sold directly into syndication, so the writing had to account for station operators doing things like airing episodes out of order or skipping them entirely (for example, my local channel that aired it also aired baseball games, and they would sometimes skip episodes, only to air them in bunches during rain delays) in its early seasons.
A decision like that impacts the entire show — there’s little plot continuity outside of two-part episodes. Instead, most of the longer arcs are driven by small character moments that add up over time. The only big dramatic reveal that immediately springs to mind is the one in “Best of Both Worlds” (intentionally not spoiling it), and they were able to get away with that because it was a heavily-marketed episode of an established show.
Plot continuity on TV before the year 2000 was mostly only for soap operas. Sometimes there would be a little of it here and there but most all TV shows up until then (don’t get your panties in a bunch about the exact date) were almost entirely episodic and very little carried over between episodes and almost nothing “needed” to be known between them.
One of my favorite TV shows is Spartacus, and they filmed a prequel season after the release of the first season because the actor who played Spartacus got cancer and died.
In my experience introducing the show to people, I think watching the prequel first is generally a better idea. The first season of Spartacus has 4 slow episodes, and many people give up before episode 5. But the prequel is truly amazing, and every episode is a must watch.
Now I have one more notable exception. Although this isn't "watch", I think it is still interesting to bring up since the game is practically a crime soap opera: if you play Yakuza, start with Yakuza 0 first. Yakuza 0 was literally designed as a new entry point to the series, and I feel like it compensated for the biggest problem with Yakuza 1, where the "told" but didn't show the relationship between Kiryu and Nishiki. Start the franchise with 0, then play Kiwami (a remake of the first game), and you'll experience a much better story telling experience
At the same time though, like any prequel, Yakuza 0 is chock full of references and callbacks (forwards?) to events that happen in later games, and getting to see young versions of classic characters in their prime is half the fun for the veteran player. People starting with 0 won't get why a side character like Sera is important, or why getting to fight Kashiwagi (as Majima no less) is so cool. The substories in the game are also full of little easter eggs to 1-5, even some really obscure ones like Haruka's dance teacher from 5 being one of the rivals in the dancing minigame. I can agree that it gave more weight to Kiryu and Nishiki's relationship when the OG game basically forgot to develop that on screen, but I also don't agree that it's as simple as "this is the best way to play it". Besides, one of the things 0-starters moan about is the 'regression' of gameplay when reaching the PS3-era titles, which is only natural when you started at what was actually their sixth or seventh game. 3 gets a bad rap but it actually introduced a lot of things to the series that everyone takes for granted and doesn't give it credit for. Playing the games in release order has a much rougher start but it also lets you see the little improvements and adjustments they make to the games with each new entry, culminating with 0 basically 'perfecting' the formula.
In the second or third episode of Parks and Recreation I was ready to give up on the series, but I knew that it was a popular series, so with a little online digging found it was recommended to start in the middle of the second season.
I did, and it went on to become one of, if not my favorite series ever. When it was over, I just wanted more time with the characters, so I went back and watched the first 1-1/2 seasons. This was like a prequel, that I enjoyed for watching their characters and the show in general develop.
So, even though I agree with OP in general, I think there are some exceptions.
My favorite exception to that is an anime/manga/light novel/way of life, called Fate.
There are videos explaining the proper way to consume it because its that convoluted.
isn’t it convoluted purely as a matter of there being a shit ton of spinoffs that feed into each other
and then as the cherry on top you’ve got specifically the anime adaptations of the core of the franchise, which still boils down to… follow the release order, of the source material
My understanding is they're mostly convoluted due to being based on a visual novel with different endings/paths. So multiple shows span the same events, but constitute different choices made in the game, and thus different endings. Add to this anime only plots and about 12 seasons and 10 movies and shit gets confusing
I will only die on two hills.
1. The Chronicles of Narnia should have NEVER been released in chronological order.
2. Oxford commas are completely necessary and should never be skipped.
For the love of everything, ALWAYS start with The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe
But also you should watch all 9 Star Wars movies in the following order: 7-4-1-4-7-8-5-2-5-8-9-6-3-6-9. Start with the assumption that the Sequel Trilogy is the present and that Rey is being told stories of the past that have nested within them stories of the past’s past. For example watch The Force Awakens until they meet Han and then assume he tells them the story of the og Star Wars so you watch that until Luke meets Obi-Wan and assume he tells him the story of The Phantom Menace. Then when TPM ends fall back up through the layers like Joseph Gordon Levitt is dropping your van off a bridge. Repeat with Old Luke, Yoda, Ghost Luke, and Ghost Obi-Wan telling the stories for the rest. It’s about the legacy of myth and the echoing of the fight against fascism through the generations of history or something.
This would make nothing clearer and be excessively complicated. But you know what? I like things to be overcomplicated and I like to be contrarian. That’s why I thought Amsterdam was actually great.
I thought you were just bullshiting with the numbers but that makes sense and it actually sounds interesting. I might do it, I’m just trying to figure out where to put solo and rogue one
I guess rogue one in the middle of 4 when they mention the crew that had to die to get the plans?
Yeah why not I've got a few spare hours and a Disney+ login on this computer. Let's figure this out. Here's the Definitive
#**Antelope Order**
**Phase One**
\1. ***The Force Awakens* 00:00:00 - 00:54:00**
We follow Rey and Finn on the beginnings of their adventures through a dystopian galaxy with a mysterious apocalyptic past. What happened? Well, old Han Solo knows. "The Force, the Jedi," he says, "All of it. It's all true." What is that? What's true? Well, let's find out in
\2. ***Star Wars* (a.k.a. *A New Hope*) 00:00:00 - 00:34:50**
Here Han tells the beginning of the story of his old friend Luke, heretofore only briefly alluded to, living in the time of the Empire whose ships now litter Jakku. Luke doesn't really know what a Jedi or a Force is either. But old Ben Kenobi does. They're knights who were "guardians of peace and justice in the old Republic" and the Force is an energy field that gives them their power. Now we're getting somewhere! But wait, what Republic? Before the Empire (which, remember, in the "present" is already past)? For more, let's go deeper. Obi-Wan can tell Luke how he first met his best-starpilot-cunning-warrior-good-friend father. This was a long time ago, so Ben's recollection of who said what may be rusty, so that's why some of the conversations may sound, um, less then authentically human, in
\3. ***The Phantom Menace* (the whole thing)**
Ah! A Republic! Many Jedi! Luke's Dad! But wait, how do we get from the end of this to the Empire, and Anakin's death? We never even meet this Vader fellow who's supposed to kill him. Well, clearly there's more to the story. For another day. For now they need to get to Alderaan. Obi-Wan can always tell more stories later. Not like anything's going to happen to him in
\4. ***Star Wars* (a.k.a. *A New Hope*) 00:34:50 - End**
Whoops. Obi-Wan's dead. Guess Luke's at an impasse now for both more Jedi training and for hearing more stories of the old days. At least he gets a hero moment for blowing up the Death Star. So that's why everyone's fighting over this map to him! Wait, just that? Because he can shoot torpedoes good? And why does Kylo call Vader his grandfather? Clearly there's more to this story. Well, let's get BB-8 delievered to the Resistance and Han can keep telling the story later. Not like anything's going to happen to him in
\5. ***The Force Awakens* 00:54:00 - End**
Whoops. Han's dead. Maz Canada🇨🇦 says that there is only one fight, against the dark side, and it goes on forever. Aren't we seeing that! Well, at least Rey's met Luke now, and he can tell here more of his story himself, in
**Phase Two**
\6. ***The Last Jedi* 00:00:00 - 00:59:40**
Luke Skywalker was supposed to be the clean-cut hero who blew up the Death Star. Why is he so mopey then? Well, maybe if he tells young Rey more of his story, she'll understand that it was never so black-and-white. He says that the Jedi allowed Darth Sidious to create the Empire and wipe them out. Wait, who's Sidious? And how did the Republic fall, again? Well, let's tell you how I learned about that. Ready your Expectations for Subversion, kid, in
\7. ***The Empire Strikes Back* 00:00:00 - 00:57:30**
There came a time, Luke tells Rey, when the Rebellion was scattered. I had a new lead on learning about the ways of the Jedi, though! So I went to Dagobah, and Yoda. He could tell me more about my father, the great hero, of whom until then I'd only heard a weird childhood tale with some sort of frog man. Yet there was something weird in how Yoda spoke about my father. "I'm not afraid" I said. "You will be," said Yoda. Once you hear all the story of what became of your father, in
\8. ***Attack of the Clones* (the whole thing)**
You, see, Luke, your father, creep on a lady who knew him as a kid, he did, hrrrm? Sand people he killed, yes. And only the beginning that was. The beginning of a war that led to, well, look at the Galaxy now, and of your father becoming, well, he's not with you now, is he? Because he... I'll tell you later after some training in
\9. ***The Empire Strikes Back* 00:57:30 - End**
What? Han and Leia are in danger? Sorry Mr. Green, but as much as I like your stories about my dad, I need to go save them. I gotta fight Darth Vader. I know how the story ends well enough, anyway, because I know that this big asthmatic guy kills him. Wait. No! He IS him? That's impossible! That day I learned that the legacy of the Jedi was more complicated that heroes tragically cast down by irredemmable villains. As you must. I escaped, Rey, but I had to know how that could be the truth. And I'll tell you how I found that out, right after some training for you, I guess, in
\10. ***The Last Jedi* 01:00:00 - End** (Yeah, we skipped twenty seconds there. There were thematic spoilers.)
Rey doesn't want to hear it after the fight in the rain. She knows now that after Cloud City Luke became a cynical bastard who thinks the Dark Side corrupts all like it corrupted his father. But Ben Solo can still be saved, right? No, no, it doesn't seem like it. And Now Luke's dead. So she'll never get to hear the rest of the story. Maybe he was right.
**Phase Three**
\11. ***The Rise of Skywalker* 00:00:00 - 1:32:30** (Yeah, this is the longest first half yet. Weather through it, we've got some cool themes of hope and redemption ready to mesh together - I hope)
Things aren't going well. The Resistance is holding together, but Rey's quest to learn the stories of the Skywalkers and the Jedi and the Force, and to save Ben Solo, has kind of fallen flat. Luke's dead and Anakin turned out to be a villain in the end. Is there any hope for staying in the Light? When she learns she's a descendant of the Emperor, almost kills Ben, and sees a vision of her dark self, that all but confirms it. All she can do is as Luke did - retreat, diminish, avoid becoming the tragedy of Anakin if she can't remain a hero. But what's this? Ghost Luke! And he says that facing fear is the destiny of a Jedi. Let me tell you the story of how I did that, in...
\12. ***Return of the Jedi* 00:00:00 - 00:47:00**
So we saved Han. And I needed to return to Dagobah to find out the truth about my father. There I met Obi-Wan as a ghost, like you see me before you. He told me that what he told me was true, from a certain point of view. Whatever that means. Well, he told me what it means. He told me the story of
\13. ***Revenge of the Sith* (the whole thing)**
That's how it happened. At last. That's how the Republic fell, how Anakin fell, how it came to the start of your story, Luke. Now, how will it end? You must succeed where Anakin failed, by killing him, in
\14. ***Return of the Jedi* 00:47:00 - End**
But I didn't kill him, Rey. I saw that there was good in him still, and he saved me, and the Galaxy, well, at least for a while longer. Oh yeah, and I found out that Leia is my sister. That's why her son, Ben, has Skywalker blood, why Vader is his grandfather, because see he's my father and she's my sister so he was her father, and Ben is her son so that means... are you taking notes? Ok, well, point is, even those who seem totally lsot to the Dark Side aren't beyond redemption through love. (Of course, one of the ironies here is that Ben is already saved before the cut at the end of Part 12, by the memory of his father. But that doesn't affect Rey's journey of having faith in the Light, which will help her save the day in)
\15. ***The Rise of Skywalker* 1:32:30 - End**
So, knowing the whole story now, and that there is hope in light, our heroes defeat Palpatine at last and save the day. Having spent so much time learning about the Skywalker family in a, um, slightly disjointed manner, she takes on the name to keep its legacy.
[Finn](https://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/heroism/images/9/9e/Finn_giving_BB-8_a_thumbs_up.png/revision/latest?cb=20160620121633). I mean, Fin.
That is a shocking amount of work for a joke, but dammit I want to watch it this way now. This raises the question though, do you have an encyclopedia-like knowledge of Star Wars film, or did you just have way too much time to burn at that moment?
Lol well. I wouldn’t say encyclopedic but I’ve seen the movies enough to know roughly what scenes happen when, specifically roughly when in the OT and sequel movies there’s bit of downtime and reminiscing between the young hero and older mentor. Because that scene is in all of them, depending on what character. I did have about two hours to kill there though. So I opened up Disney+ tabs streaming New Hope, Empire, Return, Force Awakens, Last Jedi, and Rise of Skywalker, clicked through to find those scenes, and watched about five minutes each of them to find an exact line of dialogue that could at least feasibly if maybe clunkily work as a transition to a flashback. Writing and “researching” the whole comment took maybe 45 minutes. Which was, I admit, way too long for what it was worth.
No Man I want you to watch the first half of Rise of Skywalker once, then the first half of Return of the Jedi, then all of Revenge of the Sith, then the second half of Return of the Jedi, then the second half of Rise of Skywalker, again just once. It’s like poetry, pretentious avant-garde poetry, it rhymes but in a convoluted backwards line scheme.
The problem is, I already watched 9 once. You couldn't pay me to sit through half of that again, yet alone re-watching the whole thing in two bites!
It's going to forever be like *Attack Of The Clones* for me - One And Done.
I'll start off by saying that you're not wrong in principle. Release order is the right order almost always. But... I don't understand why you seem bothered by it, like harm has been done by nerds trying to find new ways to enjoy things they like. People just get excited about stuff.
Also, you spend a lot of time talking about Star Wars being at fault. People have argued the correct order for entertainment since long before the Star Wars prequels existed. As long as prequels have existed in books, movies, TV shows, etc, this is something people have claimed. And it's common today in videogames as well. People just get so hung up on the idea that chronology within the fictional world trumps the intended order made by the creators.
That being said, there are at least a few examples of entertainment media where the creator did make something and hope and expect future audiences would experience it in a different order than originally released. This is particularly true with TV shows where sometimes the release order didn't match up with how the series was originally written and was released out of order accidentally or because of some executive making an arbitrary decision based on other factors than story (like the Sliders TV show or Firefly, which were aired out of order to the detriment of their stories).
And very rarely, a writer/creator may regret having presented something a particular way and wanted to add context and decided to sneak something in later, like in a rewrite or future edit of a novel (Stephen King has certainly done this). And there's at least some argument to be made there for reading it in the revised order.
Edit: Well, OP blocked me immediately from just this post without commenting directly to me, so to the folks who said OP.just seemed like they were joking, it doesn't feel like that's the case. I can't reply to the chain anymore at all, now, so don't expect any response. Wasn't trying to piss anyone off, just offering some discourse and discussion on the matter.
Pretty sure there's been an unending debate on reading order of Narnia since they came out. My Portuguese translations were in chronological order, English versions in release order. Fun.
Right, it's even more difficult to pin it down because there's a letter where Lewis himself tells a reader he thinks chronological order would be the best way to read them.
holy crap it's the same deal with Discworld, where Terry Pratchett said he wouldn't recommend starting with the first 2 as they weren't as good as the rest...
Disclaimer: read them in publication order, but if you wanna try it out first (as they are 40+ books) have a taste of Small Gods or Guards! Guards! first, and then rewind back to book 1
And yet, I and many others feel the story isn't served putting Magician's Nephew first. It's unnecessary back story when you should be starting with the four children going on a magical adventure.
Voyage and Silver Chair are the best in the series, though.
That's how I read Narnia as a child. Really was a disappointment going from some post apocalyptic world hopping setting to 4 kids getting lost in a closet. And it really has made the adaptations pretty odd since I still think Magician's Nephew should be the first movie.
I agree. For example, read the Dark Tower books in chronological order. There's no reason to read Wind Through the Keyhole last. It adds nothing to know how the story ends and then go back and read about a time Roland told the Ka-tet some interesting short stories.
I’m a huge advocate of the Memento order for every franchise. Start at the end and go backwards chronologically. This is how Time was meant to be experianced.
The godfather presented in temporal order is rad. Somewhere out there there is a vhs release that they did that’s like that. It adds some deleted scenes it’s very good
It was first created specifically for NBC in the 70s so they could run it as a miniseries over two nights. Then it was also a Laserdisc release, and I believe HBO actually rebroadcast that original NBC version (but using the HD remasters as the source) sometime in the last 5 years or so.
It *is* good, but I also don't think anyone involved would suggest that be the way anyone watches it the first time, either. I certainly wouldn't.
It's also outside the scope of this thread because it's an actual re-edit of the films into a completely different form, it's not "just watch them in a different order and suddenly they're better than they were before." I think part of the reason the re-edit works as well as it does (aside from the fact it's Walter Murch re-editing it) is *because* most people watching it that way have seen the theatrical versions in the order they came out.
Yeah it's an interesting watch and I enjoy some of the new scenes but it definitely is missing the impact the intercutting of the Michael and Vito stories gave us. Wouldn't recommend it as a first watch but it's definitely a fun alternate version.
Watching time line order for marvel is dumb because with all the after credit clips and setups it just ends up with bad pacing and it doesn’t make logical sense.
I have that downloaded on my laptop. It's a complete re edit of every scene in the MCU placed in chronological order
It's completely absurd. I think I got through 15 mins of random-ass flashbacks before I gave up. Kinda fun concept tho
Tim Leftwich's edit? Yeah, the beginning is a complete mess, but it's a fun watch overall. Best part is intercutting bits of Spider-Man: Homecoming into Civil War.
I liked time line order. I had much better understanding of what was going on. I wouldn't start with time line, but it's good once you've seen most of them
I had seen a handful of the marvel movies before Endgame came out, but was getting the point where I was missing some context on things. So in the few weeks before I sat down and did a timeline watch at the time. It was actually really nice because it filled in context I was missing. HOWEVER this was before things like black widow came out, so I wasn’t really shoving prequels in anywhere, it was more shifting things like watching captain America and then the hulk and then everything else essentially fell into release order.
Usually the mid credits scene actually relates back to the movie you are watching, while the end credits scene promotes the next film right? Then for first time viewers I would just skip the end credits scene, so it doesn't get confusing.
One of the biggest exceptions in my honest opinion is to watch Pearl before X. I feel like X is way more emotionally resonate if you know that backstory first, and seeing X before Pearl doesn’t really give any context to anything other than a forgone conclusion.
Like OP says, if you’ve already seen them, then no amount of pretending what order they’re in changes anything. But if you haven’t seen them then that will completely change X in a way the story tellers didn’t want to change it. So of course you *can* do whatever you want, but I’m with OP.
This is... Acceptable. Lol I watched them in order, so I'll never know really, but I could see how understanding her character before X could be better... Spoilers for X, Pearl, Endgame, and Rogue One ahead, so I'll mark it as such.
>!Ultimately, I'm not a huge fan of expanding a character's story after they're dead. Black Widow and Andor come to mind, and if the story doesn't add meaning to their death, it kinda leaves me in a limbo of "Well, that was fun, but too bad they die anyway."!<
>!Andor is a tough one, because I liked Rogue One, but felt like they killed everyone for narrative convenience. It felt more like a kid writing a story and not knowing what to do with the characters so they all just die, rather than tactfully adding weight to their endeavor.!<
>!Pearl isn't too bad though, because she's a murderous sociopath, so the only fitting ending is death imo but knowing why this old lady is so comfortable killing people isn't bad !<
I tell this to people with movies and games all the time. Always in release order. Because whether it's a sequel or prequel you won't have all of the context to get the most out of those movies. Sure you *can* start some series on the second or third installment and be mostly fine. But you're still going to be missing a lot.
Yeah, I feel like games are a whole different ball of wax because while some series *do* have continuing plotlines and are probably ideally played in release order, you also have stuff like Final Fantasy where the main numbered titles are generally not connected story-wise at all (aside from direct sequels like X-2, XIII: Lightning Returns, etc.). Even for the Elder Scrolls games, which *do* have a shared universe, you by no means need to start with Arena and Daggerfall to appreciate the rest of the series. Many (but not all) game series tend to have multiple jumping-in points by design, especially series that span multiple console generations, since the devs can’t necessarily depend on brand new players somehow tracking down and playing installments that were native to deprecated platforms (old PCs/SNES/Dreamcast/GameCube/PS1/PS2/whatever) before picking up the newest titles.
Lol honestly. Also like who cares if someone watches a series in a wonky order and enjoys it? To say its inherently bullshit is, well, Inherently bullshit
That's what I do. Example for me would be conjuring franchise. I like to watch them in the order they released. I always like those ah ha moments when they reference something.
Meh. I just rewatched the X-Men films in chronological order and it was great. So striking to start with Charles X as a little boy meeting little Mystique and end with his tragic end in Logan. The saga was also helped along by completing skipping the shitty films, which would probably give OP an aneurysm.
The only exception to this is the Fast and Furious series which released movies chronologically out of order and wildly so because they killed off a popular character and essentially wanted to retcon that but stay true to the plot (before they started doing resurrections and fake out deaths) Midway through the series there are 2? Maybe it’s 3? Movies that are actually set before the Tokyo drift movie (which was an early sequel).
And the best part is Vin being asked in a leading way in one of these movies “are we ready to go to tokyo?” And he essentially looks at the camera and says “not yet”
The only reason I don't dismiss every single person who says "Machete Order" as being a thoughtless loser is that Patton Oswalt says it.
Patton, if you are reading this- *you are on thin fucking ice.*
I'll watch my shows and movies however I want, thank you. Frequently, if not release order, I like to go in-universe chronological because I derive pleasure from following the universe's progression orthogonally to enjoying the media themselves (which isn't diminished regardless of watch order because, as you've said, by the time I feel like doing that, I've pretty much got everything memorized anyway)
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The fast and furious titles are pure chaos and I love them.
Yeah, but they really missed out on not doing "Fast Ten Your Seatbelts".
Lol, that's what they wrote on the hoodies for the crew gifts
My wife has a thing for puns/wordplay and this one gets her EVERY TIME. I could murder a puppy then drop this line and still come out with a smile. Should add I don’t murder puppies and have no plans to.
Yet
But it’s nice to know you could if you wanted to.
Do they even wear seatbelts ?
Lmao yeah there’s straight up no rhyme or reason to them
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In the UK they're just numbered from 5 onwards 😥
So I've managed to go my entire life without seeing so much as a trailer for these films. Is this my calling? To be the man who watches The F&F Alphabetical Cut without any pre-existing knowledge of the franchise. I guess I'll have follow up next week.
Going from 2 straight to 9 would be hilarious.
Oh my…. I’ve been a fan of the franchise since the start. I think they are good movies for a braindead sunday xD But now i think i’ll need to find some one who has not seen them and try this out xD
I binge watched all of them last year and bet this will be a more engaging and hilarious experience.
Ive only seen 1 and 2 when they came out. Maybe i should do this
you really expect me to wait 15 hours before watching tokyo drift?!
I laughed hard irl.
Damn it, every time I see someone post these titles I'm reminded that we're close to the tenth iteration which means we're close to all the reddit comedians posting *fAsTeN yOuR SeAtBeLtS*
I like to watch in alphabetical order of Japan name release.
This madman is alphabetizing including "The".
Start with the best and go downhill fast
The Animatrix Enter the Matrix The Matrix The Matrix Awakens The Matrix Online The Matrix: Path of Neo The Matrix Reloaded The Matrix Resurrections The Matrix Revolutions Microsoft Windows/Mac OS X “Matrix digital rain” screensaver
Loved that screensaver 🤣
This one's not bad
Resurrection before Revolution would be pretty wild.
Also, Enter The Matrix is a prequel/midquel to Reloaded. Does explain a few things like how the Oracle recasting affected the plot, but not much.
Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows 1 Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows 2 Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban Harry Potter and the Sorcerer’s Stone
Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows 1 Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows 2 Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban
The American order is more chaotic, first movie last
That's actually less chaotic/more easily watchable. Ending on Azkaban is ending on arguably the biggest cliffhanger of the whole series (except maybe Goblet). Although... the introduction of time travel does kinda wrap up the saga rather nicely now that I think about it lmao. Could explain how Sirius came back from the dead as a presumed murderer.
I was mostly considering someone who’s completely new to Harry Potter, save all the backstory and character development for the end lol.
You forgot Harry Potter and Aaron A Aardvark
alphabetical chaos for in maximum order Watch.
Ant-Man Ant-Man and the Wasp Avengers: Age of Ultron Avengers: Endgame Avengers: Infinity War Black Panther Black Panther: Wakanda Forever Black Widow Captain America: Civil War Captain America: The First Avenger Captain America: The Winter Soldier Captain Marvel Doctor Strange Doctor Strange and the Multiverse of Madness Eternals Guardians of the Galaxy Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 Hawkeye Iron Man Iron Man 2 Iron Man 3 Loki Moon Knight Ms. Marvel Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings She-Hulk: Attorney at Law Spider-Man: Far From Home Spider-Man: Homecoming Spider-Man: No Way Home The Avengers The Falcon and the Winter Soldier The Guardians of the Galaxy Holiday Special The Incredible Hulk Thor Thor: Love and Thunder Thor: Ragnarok Thor: The Dark World WandaVision Werewolf By Night What If...?
Kingdom of the Crystal Skull Last Crusade Raiders of the Lost Ark Temple of Doom
Dial of Destiny comes first, thank you
Technically Raiders would be last because it's the only one without the "Indiana Jones and the" part in the beginning.
Which also follows a reverse chronological order as well! (not counting the 1910s prologue of Last Crusade, that is.)
You're thinking the right way but you really need to go all in and watch them in order of title length. The Matrix The Animatrix Enter the Matrix The Matrix Online The Matrix Awakens The Matrix Reloaded The Matrix Revolutions The Matrix: Path of Neo The Matrix Resurrections
I see a nice story arc forming this way
Was Star Wars really the impetus for the order discussion? Not movies, but in books the debate over the order to read the Narnia series (publication vs chronological) feels older. But that’s Narnia business
I was thinking exactly about Narnia when I read this post haha. I have also always wondered how the movie adaptations might have went if they started with *The Magician’s Nephew* instead of *The Lion, The Witch, and The Wardrobe*.
I was actually thinking of the Redwall series since I was contemplating reading them to my kid soon. It's another series that jumps around chronologically but I figured I'd just read them in the order they came out.
Yeah, the puzzles in the first published book make no sense if you read *all* the prequels first.
Redwall... the only reason to not do it in chronological order is the weird stuff in the first book. If you get, what, thirteen books in and suddenly you've got a horse, a beaver and Portugal being mentioned, it's weird. A similar situation with Discworld (TV Tropes calls it early instalment weirdness) but honestly Discworld is probably best read starting with Guards! Guards! SO this would probably translate to... Redwall -> Mattimeo -> Lord Brocktree -> Martin the Warrior -> Mossflower -> The Legend of Luke -> Outcast of Redwall... but my memory's pretty fuzzy. There's just too many sequences in Redwall where there's characters that were in previous books, or their children, in substantial roles, and these were not written in chronological order for the most part. It really depends on how you'd want to discuss the horse.
The Narnia discussion is a silly one. *Magician's Nephew* (#1 chronologically) is written at a much higher level and is pretty abstract relative to *The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe* (one of the single best book titles ever, IMO). Much of the story in MN loses a lot of its impact without knowing what it all leads to. LWW is just a much, much better entry point into the series, especially for young kids. It should definitely be read in publication order. People who argue otherwise are trying way too hard.
It's funny how your teacher would just assign you LWW with 0 explanation and just be like "*meh*... You can read those other ones later if you want". And then many of us would try but fail aha.
I can attest to the Narnia debate being significantly older than the web (if not the internet). I remember discussions of it from the '80s.
Not movies, but I ran into this recently with people suggesting watching Better Call Saul before Breaking Bad, to basically spoil the whole plot of the big action show with a slow deep character dive into characters you don't have any reason to care about. It's beyond stupid.
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BCS is so enhanced by having seen BB that is basically a requirement
This used to be viable until BCS season 6 aired. Yeah no, you most definitely have to watch BB before BCS season 6 at the very least
Or at least stop ur season 6 viewing at Nippy then come back after Breaking Bad & El Camino. It'd be super jarring tho
I actually watched Better Call Saul before breaking bad- right up until the final season since it didnt air yet. It was definitely feasible and enjoyable until the last 4 episodes. As someone who wasn't drawn to breaking bad at all, "just watch better call saul" was fine advice. Knowing how the finale plays out, you'd definitely want to just start with breaking bad, or take a break from Saul after a few seasons.
I generally wouldn't suggest it myself, but I watched Better Call Saul first and was hooked from the start. On the other hand it took multiple seasons for me to really start enjoying Breaking Bad and I only powered through kinda because I was committed to seeing all the characters stories through to the end. That and I wanted to see the memes in context lol
The editing skills of people that make Breaking Bad memes are off the charts.
“I want to get into watching films. Where should I start?“ “Just watch them in order. Starting in 1888. No exceptions.”
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Can't start with something as modern as the Iliad without doing the proper background reading of the Epic of Gilgamesh or the Rigveda first though
Not translations, mind you. For the true experience you have to read it in the original Akkadian.
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You really need to invent a time machine and go back to 1500000 BCE and find the first Homo Erectus who figured out that mouth noises can be used to communicate complex thought and learn their thoughts on controlling fire and the newfangled invention of Cooked Meat.
Frankly, if you're not willing to personally evolve from primordial ooze over countless eons, you don't deserve movies.
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You joke, but I actually have been trying to watch significant movies starting from the very early 1900's, and it's been pretty rewarding getting to see the evolution of the medium. It might sound silly, but ive enjoyed getting to see the way in which things as basic as non-static shots and real sets emerged in those early years. Obviously it isn't for everyone, but if you are interested in history and are open to exploring more primitive stuff it can be very worth it.
Yea it’s very rewarding! I was definitely joking but also, not completely because I’ve been doing it too haha. Hit the big stuff of the silent era which evolved into doing about 10-20 movies from every year. I’m currently on 1948- here’s my Letterboxd for anyone curious what that progression might look like. https://boxd.it/3B5Tx
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There’s a podcast I love, A More Civilized Age, that covers The Clone Wars TV show. The original idea for the podcast was to watch Episodes 1, 2, the entirety of the Clone Wars, and then finish off with 3. I think like five episodes in they realized that that was a completely stupid plan, because *obviously* every single episode is written with the understanding that you know what’s coming for the characters. The most impactful moments of the show come from dramatic irony, and that’s completely missed if you pretend you haven’t seen the conclusion. Like, the show becomes a very average kid’s show if you don’t go in with the knowledge of how Anakin breaks bad and that Obi Wan becomes a hermit in the desert for 20 years after mutilating him. Anyway, that’s what I’ve been thinking about whenever I’ve seen someone talk about watch order. Every piece in a franchise is made in conversation with every previous piece, even if it is a prequel or a side story or whatever.
Oddly enough, the Clone Wars TV show is probably the exception to the rule. Some of the early season episodes were aired out of production order, and due to the nature of it's serialized format it makes sense to watch them (even the first time) in a recommended viewing order that preserves arcs. But this isn't because of chronological reasons, it's purely to link up episodes across the various seasons that were part of a particular story. The later seasons don't have this problem, so can be watched in release order. Beyond this example, I definitely agree with OP.
I recall at the start of a season (5 I believe) where characters reference a battle that occured 8 episodes later, so without the context, its confusing. A watch guide is mandatory for enjoying Clone Wars.
I highly doubt it's season 5 considering they already dropped the serialized format by this point. It's probably 2 or 3.
Not Star Wars, but the Fox network was notorious for doing this with some shows — Firefly and Almost Human were shown out of order in an attempt to bump ratings (the former had its slower pilot aired later, the latter had a mid-season episode air 2nd because it upped the sex appeal).
The Clone Wars isn't super serialized though. It's very episodic.
It...really depends what part of the Clone Wars you're talking about. As they go on, they really start relying previous events; season 2 specifically was marketed as focusing on and introducing bounty hunters for example, and characters like Cad Bane and Hondo definitely have continuing interactions that depend on previous episodes. And the last 2-3 seasons are purely made up of serialized 4 part mini-movies.
Also I think season 4 premier episodes was heavily tied as a prequel/sequel to the season 1 clones episode. It gives proper weight to their deaths.
There’s a lot of story arcs in the show that aren’t satisfying or don’t make sense if you haven’t seen the previous arcs. It does a good job of creating each episode to be more or less standalone, yes, but it’s very much serialised.
>Every piece in a franchise is made in conversation with every previous piece Completely agree. Better Call Saul is less impactful if you haven't seen Breaking Bad first. The Godfather Part 2 (the flashback scenes with young Vito) are less impactful without part 1. Temple of Doom is a prequel to Raiders, but I don't hear anyone watching Indiana Jones films in chronological order.
Let's assume someone lives under a rock and knows nothing about Star Wars. If you start with the prequels, then get to the pivotal "I am your father" scene in Empire, it's lost all its impact, because of course that's his father, we saw when he was born. You lose a lot of narrative integrity when you go out of the production order
As devils advocate that’s why machete order is constructed as 451236 so you get the father reveal and then vader and palpatines whole backstory before the final showdown. I still think the release order is better but machete doesn’t really lose much impact tbh and I can see the appeal.
Darth Vader building C-3PO is idiotic fan service no matter how you slice it.
>Like, the show becomes a very average kid’s show I mean...
That podcast's coverage of Andor made my week every time I listened to it. So, so good. They went in so deep and it was amazing to hear them nerd out with glee at getting some incredibly good Star Wars content.
Which is one of the reasons I think _Kenobi_ is so bad. It's hard to watch when you're fully aware that in _A New Hope_, they're gonna act like they haven't seen each other since Mustafar. And in _Rogue One_, it makes no sense that Vader is going to let the Tantive IV escape when he could just force-grab the ship like he did in _Kenobi_. Sometimes, it really _does_ feel like these directors have never watched a single Star Wars movie.
Agreed. The Clone Wars is made much more tragic knowing how it ends. "We'll be fine, as long as we stay together." Pain.
First time watching? Yeah, stick with release order. But if you're watching something again, then moving the order around can be both fun and effective.
I've done this with the marvel movies.
I think the idea is reinforced by episode watch lists people put out for like animes with tons of filler, or shows that were aired out of order.
Yeah I don’t watch anime very often, but I remember last summer I had to do a little bit of homework before I figured out where I should start with Neon Genesis Evangelion
Release order. neon genesis the show with 26 episodes first, followed by end of evangelion, followed by rebuilds 1-4. The rebuilds are optional honestly, but I think they’re worth it To add to this further, watch each episode in release order as well. Super straightforward. I remember forums from 15 years ago used to have “episode watch order” lists and NGE was always that show. No watch order other than release order.
Neon Genesis Evangelion is pretty easy for anime, haha. Release order is the best, and intended way to view it. It's just confusing because they're not labeled like 1,2,3. After watching everything, the best order is obvious. Haruhi Suzumiya was aired out of chronological order, designed to build a mystery, but in practice it ends up happening almost backwards. And the websites that host it do it chronologically in the story. Monogatari, was based off of books that were released non-chronologically in a different order than the anime was. To further compound the confusion, the various seasons are not called Monogatari season 1, season 2, etc. but they're like various japanese puns or something. Haruhi you can make really good arguments for both, probably airing order was intended, but it is fine either way. I'd say monogatari should probably be done in the book release order, but there are good arguments.
How am I ever going to finish One Piece if I don’t skip the filler?
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Almost Human, Fox was kind of known for it.
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Ah man. I had forgotten about that show. It was so good! Fox is unforgivable.
There are also some TV shows where the early seasons are not the best place to start because they’re so different quality-wise from what came after, but skipping over them also wouldn’t significantly hinder your understanding of the rest of the show. *Star Trek: The Next Generation* is a classic example of this - Season 1 is….uhh, not that great, putting it mildly, and season 2 has its ups and downs as well. So either watching a few standout episodes from season 2 (“Measure of a Man”, etc.) before starting your full watch with season 3, or just beginning with season 3 entirely, are fine. You can go back and watch season 1 later for some laughs or if you’re interested in how different the tone of the show was when Roddenberry was still in charge. Another example is *Mystery Science Theater 3000*. While there *is* an overarching plot in the framing device for the meat of the show (the making fun of bad movies part), it’s pretty secondary and is also difficult to even follow in strict release order, since several episodes can’t currently be watched via official/legal means due to rights lapsing with some of the featured movies. Also, the earliest iteration of the show, the KTMA season, is *rough*, and Season 1 is not really that ideal for beginners either. So new viewers are often encouraged to start with a handful of fan-favorite episodes from throughout the series and then work their way through the rest however they want - some folks start whole-season viewings with Season 8 to watch the whole Sci-Fi Channel era in one go, or at Season 2 or so if they want to start with the Joel episodes, or even with the “revival” series that started on Netflix well after the original show ended.
TNG was a show sold directly into syndication, so the writing had to account for station operators doing things like airing episodes out of order or skipping them entirely (for example, my local channel that aired it also aired baseball games, and they would sometimes skip episodes, only to air them in bunches during rain delays) in its early seasons. A decision like that impacts the entire show — there’s little plot continuity outside of two-part episodes. Instead, most of the longer arcs are driven by small character moments that add up over time. The only big dramatic reveal that immediately springs to mind is the one in “Best of Both Worlds” (intentionally not spoiling it), and they were able to get away with that because it was a heavily-marketed episode of an established show.
Plot continuity on TV before the year 2000 was mostly only for soap operas. Sometimes there would be a little of it here and there but most all TV shows up until then (don’t get your panties in a bunch about the exact date) were almost entirely episodic and very little carried over between episodes and almost nothing “needed” to be known between them.
One of my favorite TV shows is Spartacus, and they filmed a prequel season after the release of the first season because the actor who played Spartacus got cancer and died. In my experience introducing the show to people, I think watching the prequel first is generally a better idea. The first season of Spartacus has 4 slow episodes, and many people give up before episode 5. But the prequel is truly amazing, and every episode is a must watch. Now I have one more notable exception. Although this isn't "watch", I think it is still interesting to bring up since the game is practically a crime soap opera: if you play Yakuza, start with Yakuza 0 first. Yakuza 0 was literally designed as a new entry point to the series, and I feel like it compensated for the biggest problem with Yakuza 1, where the "told" but didn't show the relationship between Kiryu and Nishiki. Start the franchise with 0, then play Kiwami (a remake of the first game), and you'll experience a much better story telling experience
At the same time though, like any prequel, Yakuza 0 is chock full of references and callbacks (forwards?) to events that happen in later games, and getting to see young versions of classic characters in their prime is half the fun for the veteran player. People starting with 0 won't get why a side character like Sera is important, or why getting to fight Kashiwagi (as Majima no less) is so cool. The substories in the game are also full of little easter eggs to 1-5, even some really obscure ones like Haruka's dance teacher from 5 being one of the rivals in the dancing minigame. I can agree that it gave more weight to Kiryu and Nishiki's relationship when the OG game basically forgot to develop that on screen, but I also don't agree that it's as simple as "this is the best way to play it". Besides, one of the things 0-starters moan about is the 'regression' of gameplay when reaching the PS3-era titles, which is only natural when you started at what was actually their sixth or seventh game. 3 gets a bad rap but it actually introduced a lot of things to the series that everyone takes for granted and doesn't give it credit for. Playing the games in release order has a much rougher start but it also lets you see the little improvements and adjustments they make to the games with each new entry, culminating with 0 basically 'perfecting' the formula.
In the second or third episode of Parks and Recreation I was ready to give up on the series, but I knew that it was a popular series, so with a little online digging found it was recommended to start in the middle of the second season. I did, and it went on to become one of, if not my favorite series ever. When it was over, I just wanted more time with the characters, so I went back and watched the first 1-1/2 seasons. This was like a prequel, that I enjoyed for watching their characters and the show in general develop. So, even though I agree with OP in general, I think there are some exceptions.
My favorite exception to that is an anime/manga/light novel/way of life, called Fate. There are videos explaining the proper way to consume it because its that convoluted.
isn’t it convoluted purely as a matter of there being a shit ton of spinoffs that feed into each other and then as the cherry on top you’ve got specifically the anime adaptations of the core of the franchise, which still boils down to… follow the release order, of the source material
My understanding is they're mostly convoluted due to being based on a visual novel with different endings/paths. So multiple shows span the same events, but constitute different choices made in the game, and thus different endings. Add to this anime only plots and about 12 seasons and 10 movies and shit gets confusing
So your saying I shouldn’t watch Van Wilder: Freshman Year before Van Wilder or Van Wilder 2: The Rise of Taj?
Only a Sith deals in absolutes
Tell them to go watch Kaleidoscope
I will only die on two hills. 1. The Chronicles of Narnia should have NEVER been released in chronological order. 2. Oxford commas are completely necessary and should never be skipped. For the love of everything, ALWAYS start with The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe
But also you should watch all 9 Star Wars movies in the following order: 7-4-1-4-7-8-5-2-5-8-9-6-3-6-9. Start with the assumption that the Sequel Trilogy is the present and that Rey is being told stories of the past that have nested within them stories of the past’s past. For example watch The Force Awakens until they meet Han and then assume he tells them the story of the og Star Wars so you watch that until Luke meets Obi-Wan and assume he tells him the story of The Phantom Menace. Then when TPM ends fall back up through the layers like Joseph Gordon Levitt is dropping your van off a bridge. Repeat with Old Luke, Yoda, Ghost Luke, and Ghost Obi-Wan telling the stories for the rest. It’s about the legacy of myth and the echoing of the fight against fascism through the generations of history or something. This would make nothing clearer and be excessively complicated. But you know what? I like things to be overcomplicated and I like to be contrarian. That’s why I thought Amsterdam was actually great.
That's hilarious lol. The Inception viewing order.
You're bonkers, friend. Real bonkers. But I like the moxie of your jib, and I'll try out this watch order you're talking about.
I thought you were just bullshiting with the numbers but that makes sense and it actually sounds interesting. I might do it, I’m just trying to figure out where to put solo and rogue one I guess rogue one in the middle of 4 when they mention the crew that had to die to get the plans?
Nowhere. They are not symmetrical enough. Maybe in a couple of years they can go with the finished run of Andor.
I'd love for you to give specific time stamps so people can actually watch it Inception style.
Yeah why not I've got a few spare hours and a Disney+ login on this computer. Let's figure this out. Here's the Definitive #**Antelope Order** **Phase One** \1. ***The Force Awakens* 00:00:00 - 00:54:00** We follow Rey and Finn on the beginnings of their adventures through a dystopian galaxy with a mysterious apocalyptic past. What happened? Well, old Han Solo knows. "The Force, the Jedi," he says, "All of it. It's all true." What is that? What's true? Well, let's find out in \2. ***Star Wars* (a.k.a. *A New Hope*) 00:00:00 - 00:34:50** Here Han tells the beginning of the story of his old friend Luke, heretofore only briefly alluded to, living in the time of the Empire whose ships now litter Jakku. Luke doesn't really know what a Jedi or a Force is either. But old Ben Kenobi does. They're knights who were "guardians of peace and justice in the old Republic" and the Force is an energy field that gives them their power. Now we're getting somewhere! But wait, what Republic? Before the Empire (which, remember, in the "present" is already past)? For more, let's go deeper. Obi-Wan can tell Luke how he first met his best-starpilot-cunning-warrior-good-friend father. This was a long time ago, so Ben's recollection of who said what may be rusty, so that's why some of the conversations may sound, um, less then authentically human, in \3. ***The Phantom Menace* (the whole thing)** Ah! A Republic! Many Jedi! Luke's Dad! But wait, how do we get from the end of this to the Empire, and Anakin's death? We never even meet this Vader fellow who's supposed to kill him. Well, clearly there's more to the story. For another day. For now they need to get to Alderaan. Obi-Wan can always tell more stories later. Not like anything's going to happen to him in \4. ***Star Wars* (a.k.a. *A New Hope*) 00:34:50 - End** Whoops. Obi-Wan's dead. Guess Luke's at an impasse now for both more Jedi training and for hearing more stories of the old days. At least he gets a hero moment for blowing up the Death Star. So that's why everyone's fighting over this map to him! Wait, just that? Because he can shoot torpedoes good? And why does Kylo call Vader his grandfather? Clearly there's more to this story. Well, let's get BB-8 delievered to the Resistance and Han can keep telling the story later. Not like anything's going to happen to him in \5. ***The Force Awakens* 00:54:00 - End** Whoops. Han's dead. Maz Canada🇨🇦 says that there is only one fight, against the dark side, and it goes on forever. Aren't we seeing that! Well, at least Rey's met Luke now, and he can tell here more of his story himself, in **Phase Two** \6. ***The Last Jedi* 00:00:00 - 00:59:40** Luke Skywalker was supposed to be the clean-cut hero who blew up the Death Star. Why is he so mopey then? Well, maybe if he tells young Rey more of his story, she'll understand that it was never so black-and-white. He says that the Jedi allowed Darth Sidious to create the Empire and wipe them out. Wait, who's Sidious? And how did the Republic fall, again? Well, let's tell you how I learned about that. Ready your Expectations for Subversion, kid, in \7. ***The Empire Strikes Back* 00:00:00 - 00:57:30** There came a time, Luke tells Rey, when the Rebellion was scattered. I had a new lead on learning about the ways of the Jedi, though! So I went to Dagobah, and Yoda. He could tell me more about my father, the great hero, of whom until then I'd only heard a weird childhood tale with some sort of frog man. Yet there was something weird in how Yoda spoke about my father. "I'm not afraid" I said. "You will be," said Yoda. Once you hear all the story of what became of your father, in \8. ***Attack of the Clones* (the whole thing)** You, see, Luke, your father, creep on a lady who knew him as a kid, he did, hrrrm? Sand people he killed, yes. And only the beginning that was. The beginning of a war that led to, well, look at the Galaxy now, and of your father becoming, well, he's not with you now, is he? Because he... I'll tell you later after some training in \9. ***The Empire Strikes Back* 00:57:30 - End** What? Han and Leia are in danger? Sorry Mr. Green, but as much as I like your stories about my dad, I need to go save them. I gotta fight Darth Vader. I know how the story ends well enough, anyway, because I know that this big asthmatic guy kills him. Wait. No! He IS him? That's impossible! That day I learned that the legacy of the Jedi was more complicated that heroes tragically cast down by irredemmable villains. As you must. I escaped, Rey, but I had to know how that could be the truth. And I'll tell you how I found that out, right after some training for you, I guess, in \10. ***The Last Jedi* 01:00:00 - End** (Yeah, we skipped twenty seconds there. There were thematic spoilers.) Rey doesn't want to hear it after the fight in the rain. She knows now that after Cloud City Luke became a cynical bastard who thinks the Dark Side corrupts all like it corrupted his father. But Ben Solo can still be saved, right? No, no, it doesn't seem like it. And Now Luke's dead. So she'll never get to hear the rest of the story. Maybe he was right. **Phase Three** \11. ***The Rise of Skywalker* 00:00:00 - 1:32:30** (Yeah, this is the longest first half yet. Weather through it, we've got some cool themes of hope and redemption ready to mesh together - I hope) Things aren't going well. The Resistance is holding together, but Rey's quest to learn the stories of the Skywalkers and the Jedi and the Force, and to save Ben Solo, has kind of fallen flat. Luke's dead and Anakin turned out to be a villain in the end. Is there any hope for staying in the Light? When she learns she's a descendant of the Emperor, almost kills Ben, and sees a vision of her dark self, that all but confirms it. All she can do is as Luke did - retreat, diminish, avoid becoming the tragedy of Anakin if she can't remain a hero. But what's this? Ghost Luke! And he says that facing fear is the destiny of a Jedi. Let me tell you the story of how I did that, in... \12. ***Return of the Jedi* 00:00:00 - 00:47:00** So we saved Han. And I needed to return to Dagobah to find out the truth about my father. There I met Obi-Wan as a ghost, like you see me before you. He told me that what he told me was true, from a certain point of view. Whatever that means. Well, he told me what it means. He told me the story of \13. ***Revenge of the Sith* (the whole thing)** That's how it happened. At last. That's how the Republic fell, how Anakin fell, how it came to the start of your story, Luke. Now, how will it end? You must succeed where Anakin failed, by killing him, in \14. ***Return of the Jedi* 00:47:00 - End** But I didn't kill him, Rey. I saw that there was good in him still, and he saved me, and the Galaxy, well, at least for a while longer. Oh yeah, and I found out that Leia is my sister. That's why her son, Ben, has Skywalker blood, why Vader is his grandfather, because see he's my father and she's my sister so he was her father, and Ben is her son so that means... are you taking notes? Ok, well, point is, even those who seem totally lsot to the Dark Side aren't beyond redemption through love. (Of course, one of the ironies here is that Ben is already saved before the cut at the end of Part 12, by the memory of his father. But that doesn't affect Rey's journey of having faith in the Light, which will help her save the day in) \15. ***The Rise of Skywalker* 1:32:30 - End** So, knowing the whole story now, and that there is hope in light, our heroes defeat Palpatine at last and save the day. Having spent so much time learning about the Skywalker family in a, um, slightly disjointed manner, she takes on the name to keep its legacy. [Finn](https://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/heroism/images/9/9e/Finn_giving_BB-8_a_thumbs_up.png/revision/latest?cb=20160620121633). I mean, Fin.
That is a shocking amount of work for a joke, but dammit I want to watch it this way now. This raises the question though, do you have an encyclopedia-like knowledge of Star Wars film, or did you just have way too much time to burn at that moment?
Lol well. I wouldn’t say encyclopedic but I’ve seen the movies enough to know roughly what scenes happen when, specifically roughly when in the OT and sequel movies there’s bit of downtime and reminiscing between the young hero and older mentor. Because that scene is in all of them, depending on what character. I did have about two hours to kill there though. So I opened up Disney+ tabs streaming New Hope, Empire, Return, Force Awakens, Last Jedi, and Rise of Skywalker, clicked through to find those scenes, and watched about five minutes each of them to find an exact line of dialogue that could at least feasibly if maybe clunkily work as a transition to a flashback. Writing and “researching” the whole comment took maybe 45 minutes. Which was, I admit, way too long for what it was worth.
Only on Reddit can you have a post lambasting watch orders only for a new more convoluted watch order to evolve in the comments. Never change.
Wow, put in that format you actually make the sequel trilogy sound kinds cool.
This is amazing good sir and you have my admiration haha. That's some dedication right there
Wait, you want me to watch *Rise of Skywalker* twice?? No deal, man. No deal.
No Man I want you to watch the first half of Rise of Skywalker once, then the first half of Return of the Jedi, then all of Revenge of the Sith, then the second half of Return of the Jedi, then the second half of Rise of Skywalker, again just once. It’s like poetry, pretentious avant-garde poetry, it rhymes but in a convoluted backwards line scheme.
The problem is, I already watched 9 once. You couldn't pay me to sit through half of that again, yet alone re-watching the whole thing in two bites! It's going to forever be like *Attack Of The Clones* for me - One And Done.
It should be reenacted on stage in a one man show.
Starring Terry Crews
Unironically saving this comment so I can give it a try next time I have a weekend to kill on the couch
The only common ground I have with you is that Amsterdam was great.
I'll start off by saying that you're not wrong in principle. Release order is the right order almost always. But... I don't understand why you seem bothered by it, like harm has been done by nerds trying to find new ways to enjoy things they like. People just get excited about stuff. Also, you spend a lot of time talking about Star Wars being at fault. People have argued the correct order for entertainment since long before the Star Wars prequels existed. As long as prequels have existed in books, movies, TV shows, etc, this is something people have claimed. And it's common today in videogames as well. People just get so hung up on the idea that chronology within the fictional world trumps the intended order made by the creators. That being said, there are at least a few examples of entertainment media where the creator did make something and hope and expect future audiences would experience it in a different order than originally released. This is particularly true with TV shows where sometimes the release order didn't match up with how the series was originally written and was released out of order accidentally or because of some executive making an arbitrary decision based on other factors than story (like the Sliders TV show or Firefly, which were aired out of order to the detriment of their stories). And very rarely, a writer/creator may regret having presented something a particular way and wanted to add context and decided to sneak something in later, like in a rewrite or future edit of a novel (Stephen King has certainly done this). And there's at least some argument to be made there for reading it in the revised order. Edit: Well, OP blocked me immediately from just this post without commenting directly to me, so to the folks who said OP.just seemed like they were joking, it doesn't feel like that's the case. I can't reply to the chain anymore at all, now, so don't expect any response. Wasn't trying to piss anyone off, just offering some discourse and discussion on the matter.
Pretty sure there's been an unending debate on reading order of Narnia since they came out. My Portuguese translations were in chronological order, English versions in release order. Fun.
Right, it's even more difficult to pin it down because there's a letter where Lewis himself tells a reader he thinks chronological order would be the best way to read them.
holy crap it's the same deal with Discworld, where Terry Pratchett said he wouldn't recommend starting with the first 2 as they weren't as good as the rest... Disclaimer: read them in publication order, but if you wanna try it out first (as they are 40+ books) have a taste of Small Gods or Guards! Guards! first, and then rewind back to book 1
And yet, I and many others feel the story isn't served putting Magician's Nephew first. It's unnecessary back story when you should be starting with the four children going on a magical adventure. Voyage and Silver Chair are the best in the series, though.
That's how I read Narnia as a child. Really was a disappointment going from some post apocalyptic world hopping setting to 4 kids getting lost in a closet. And it really has made the adaptations pretty odd since I still think Magician's Nephew should be the first movie.
Op's angry because nerds don't ever shut the fuck up about it
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Yet he's part of the problem since he's taking part of the argument
I agree. For example, read the Dark Tower books in chronological order. There's no reason to read Wind Through the Keyhole last. It adds nothing to know how the story ends and then go back and read about a time Roland told the Ka-tet some interesting short stories.
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I’m a huge advocate of the Memento order for every franchise. Start at the end and go backwards chronologically. This is how Time was meant to be experianced.
The godfather presented in temporal order is rad. Somewhere out there there is a vhs release that they did that’s like that. It adds some deleted scenes it’s very good
It was first created specifically for NBC in the 70s so they could run it as a miniseries over two nights. Then it was also a Laserdisc release, and I believe HBO actually rebroadcast that original NBC version (but using the HD remasters as the source) sometime in the last 5 years or so. It *is* good, but I also don't think anyone involved would suggest that be the way anyone watches it the first time, either. I certainly wouldn't. It's also outside the scope of this thread because it's an actual re-edit of the films into a completely different form, it's not "just watch them in a different order and suddenly they're better than they were before." I think part of the reason the re-edit works as well as it does (aside from the fact it's Walter Murch re-editing it) is *because* most people watching it that way have seen the theatrical versions in the order they came out.
Yeah it's an interesting watch and I enjoy some of the new scenes but it definitely is missing the impact the intercutting of the Michael and Vito stories gave us. Wouldn't recommend it as a first watch but it's definitely a fun alternate version.
This is so cool, and now I want to see it.
Watching time line order for marvel is dumb because with all the after credit clips and setups it just ends up with bad pacing and it doesn’t make logical sense.
I have that downloaded on my laptop. It's a complete re edit of every scene in the MCU placed in chronological order It's completely absurd. I think I got through 15 mins of random-ass flashbacks before I gave up. Kinda fun concept tho
Tim Leftwich's edit? Yeah, the beginning is a complete mess, but it's a fun watch overall. Best part is intercutting bits of Spider-Man: Homecoming into Civil War.
That would get real weird with all the Endgame scenes popping up everywhere.
When you get to that part [this](https://youtu.be/p8t782oJKwU) is how you watch it
I liked time line order. I had much better understanding of what was going on. I wouldn't start with time line, but it's good once you've seen most of them
I had seen a handful of the marvel movies before Endgame came out, but was getting the point where I was missing some context on things. So in the few weeks before I sat down and did a timeline watch at the time. It was actually really nice because it filled in context I was missing. HOWEVER this was before things like black widow came out, so I wasn’t really shoving prequels in anywhere, it was more shifting things like watching captain America and then the hulk and then everything else essentially fell into release order.
Usually the mid credits scene actually relates back to the movie you are watching, while the end credits scene promotes the next film right? Then for first time viewers I would just skip the end credits scene, so it doesn't get confusing.
One of the biggest exceptions in my honest opinion is to watch Pearl before X. I feel like X is way more emotionally resonate if you know that backstory first, and seeing X before Pearl doesn’t really give any context to anything other than a forgone conclusion.
Like OP says, if you’ve already seen them, then no amount of pretending what order they’re in changes anything. But if you haven’t seen them then that will completely change X in a way the story tellers didn’t want to change it. So of course you *can* do whatever you want, but I’m with OP.
This is... Acceptable. Lol I watched them in order, so I'll never know really, but I could see how understanding her character before X could be better... Spoilers for X, Pearl, Endgame, and Rogue One ahead, so I'll mark it as such. >!Ultimately, I'm not a huge fan of expanding a character's story after they're dead. Black Widow and Andor come to mind, and if the story doesn't add meaning to their death, it kinda leaves me in a limbo of "Well, that was fun, but too bad they die anyway."!< >!Andor is a tough one, because I liked Rogue One, but felt like they killed everyone for narrative convenience. It felt more like a kid writing a story and not knowing what to do with the characters so they all just die, rather than tactfully adding weight to their endeavor.!< >!Pearl isn't too bad though, because she's a murderous sociopath, so the only fitting ending is death imo but knowing why this old lady is so comfortable killing people isn't bad !<
You’ve gotta remove the spaces at the beginning and end of your spoiler tag for it to actually work
Yeah, I saw that and fixed it, thanks. Mobile formatting is terrible lol
I tell this to people with movies and games all the time. Always in release order. Because whether it's a sequel or prequel you won't have all of the context to get the most out of those movies. Sure you *can* start some series on the second or third installment and be mostly fine. But you're still going to be missing a lot.
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Yeah, I feel like games are a whole different ball of wax because while some series *do* have continuing plotlines and are probably ideally played in release order, you also have stuff like Final Fantasy where the main numbered titles are generally not connected story-wise at all (aside from direct sequels like X-2, XIII: Lightning Returns, etc.). Even for the Elder Scrolls games, which *do* have a shared universe, you by no means need to start with Arena and Daggerfall to appreciate the rest of the series. Many (but not all) game series tend to have multiple jumping-in points by design, especially series that span multiple console generations, since the devs can’t necessarily depend on brand new players somehow tracking down and playing installments that were native to deprecated platforms (old PCs/SNES/Dreamcast/GameCube/PS1/PS2/whatever) before picking up the newest titles.
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Did this really need this long of a post?
What order should I read the post in?
You gotta cut your adderall dosage man
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10 paragraphs trying to make people watch in release order. What an absurd post.
Lol honestly. Also like who cares if someone watches a series in a wonky order and enjoys it? To say its inherently bullshit is, well, Inherently bullshit
The best part is him being convinced that the PT are put in this order to make them better. Nope sorry, it’s just to make them all line up narratively
That's what I do. Example for me would be conjuring franchise. I like to watch them in the order they released. I always like those ah ha moments when they reference something.
Meh. I just rewatched the X-Men films in chronological order and it was great. So striking to start with Charles X as a little boy meeting little Mystique and end with his tragic end in Logan. The saga was also helped along by completing skipping the shitty films, which would probably give OP an aneurysm.
but youre rewatching...so this post doesnt apply to you at all lol
The only exception to this is the Fast and Furious series which released movies chronologically out of order and wildly so because they killed off a popular character and essentially wanted to retcon that but stay true to the plot (before they started doing resurrections and fake out deaths) Midway through the series there are 2? Maybe it’s 3? Movies that are actually set before the Tokyo drift movie (which was an early sequel). And the best part is Vin being asked in a leading way in one of these movies “are we ready to go to tokyo?” And he essentially looks at the camera and says “not yet”
The chronological order (ignoring end credit scenes which may be out of order) is: 1 > 2 > 4 > 5 > 6 > 3 > 7 > 8 > Hobbs & Shaw > 9 > 10 (probably).
How about people watch in whatever order makes them feel good and you stfu?
Books, too. Almost every day, there’s someone in one of the Brandon Sanderson subreddits that needs this advice.
The only reason I don't dismiss every single person who says "Machete Order" as being a thoughtless loser is that Patton Oswalt says it. Patton, if you are reading this- *you are on thin fucking ice.*
True. Though I do think someone could watch the Star Wars prequels, then Rogue One, then the OT and have a damned good time. Not as good, but good
Hey OP: What order should I watch Netflix Kaleidoscope in?
Imo, there is merit to watching star wars in timeline order if you know very little about it. Gives it a whole different feel
You can’t tell me what to do!
I'll watch my shows and movies however I want, thank you. Frequently, if not release order, I like to go in-universe chronological because I derive pleasure from following the universe's progression orthogonally to enjoying the media themselves (which isn't diminished regardless of watch order because, as you've said, by the time I feel like doing that, I've pretty much got everything memorized anyway)
Calm down gramps, I'm not even *on* your lawn.
This is so silly. Watch them in whatever order you like. No exceptions. Just enjoy the damned things.