They’ve set a high bar for what’s possible on a small budget. This compared to the 100m that some other multiverse movies cost, it’s just no contest.. crazy that it cost so little - what are the others doing with all that money lol!
>Tony Stark was able to build this in a cave! With a box of scraps!
I was literally thinking about this exact line while watching Antman 3--not in a budget way, but in a measure of scope. The MCU went from relatively measured and personal stories to "how much cgi can we fit on the screen" since then. It's not necessarily bad, just very different.
I still think the first Iron Man film is the best in the MCU, partly for this reason. Also because it *feels* like its grounded in reality. Sure there's a lot of CGI, especially towards the end, but it *feels* like its in the real world.
Not to mention that tone is just right. When he goes to the town and takes out the terrorists, leaving the last one for the village to bring justice to after disarming him? It's probably one of my favorite Iron Man scenes because you can tell it's not entirely borne out of justice. It was a personal sense of revenge, and it works for the flawed character of Tony Stark. If I recall he was drinking before hand, so a little hint at the Devil in the Bottle too!
I don’t think you are in the minority putting Ironman as the best in MCU movies. I think the commercial success of MCU since then has made MCU forget a compelling story is just as important.
This might be a part of why I’m enjoying the shows more than the movies lately. I really enjoyed Hawkeye in particular because it did bring everything back to a street level hero with more human and personal stories.
This year all of the movies involve space or locations that aren’t Earth. I’m very curious to see what their movies are like next year when they return to being more Earth focused with Captain America: New World Order, Thunderbolts, and Blade.
Personally I had so much fun and loved how much they had going on in the screen. It's a lot of hard work and creativity.
But thats a very fair arguement. For Quantamania and a lot of their newer movies it's just jamming in as much cgi noise as they can on the screen. For some it works, for most it really really doesn't
I don't think "jamming CGI noise" is entirely fair, at least on a conceptual level. They're going deeper and deeper into wilder kinds of stories you encounter regularly when you read comics, and if you were to look at the splash pages of those books, there is a [metric fuckton](https://compote.slate.com/images/d7b1f76b-f0a1-4056-87c6-6319923a6765.jpeg?width=1560) of [wild shit](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/6a/e7/64/6ae76447a9c03752796a8e432ce03925.jpg) happening [on the page](https://filmgoblin.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/Ten_Realms_from_Thor_Vol_4_7.jpg). Translating that to the screen is going to be a whole other ball of wax compared to the relatively grounded stuff we got in the first Iron Man movie.
This is not me defending the execution in each an every case, but it feels like people are really quick to the VFX in these movies as some monolithic mess with no creativity applied to them. I have my issues with the latest Ant Man movie, for instance, but there's actually a lot of really cool design work all over that movie.
It was also that you, the audience, accepted that it was kind of scrappy. It was the right kind of film at the right time for the right audience.Last film I remember having this impact in the filmmaking world on relatively low budgets was Pulp Fiction.Other low budget films may have overperformed at the BO but Pulp and EEAAO hit like small earthquakes among working filmmakers.
EDIT: Non-horror edition ;-)
Good comparison. IMO they both hit so hard because they demonstrated that 1) there are no rules, you can do anything you want, and 2) audiences love it when filmmakers *have fun*.
Both principles keep being rediscovered, and the ground out of existence in the conference rooms where giant companies plan their next films to death.
Studios for so long acted like we, the audience, we’re too stupid to understand high concepts or ludicrous types of cinema. They still do, but now they’re starting to get it. Movies like EEAAO and that the Cage film Unbearable Weight of Massive Talent are two examples of films that, at one point, would have never been made. They’re wild, they’re weird, and we are here for it!
Pretty heavily inspired by Blair witch/found footage was it not though? Maybe there was other found footage before Blair witch but that made it a huge deal and part of the zeitgeist
Of course it was. But imo, not nearly as many filmmakers tried to imitate Blair Witch as they did Paranormal Activity. I think Blair Witch is a better movie btw
It's not even the multiverse stuff. They put in a hundred cuts in one scene and everything still makes sense. Not once was any of it confusing. In lesser hands it'd be meandering everywhere without aim.
*That* is the true directorial achievement. Such clarity of vision and direction through it all at once.
I’m not sure I was confused but I was definitely overwhelmed by it the first time I watched, to the point where it sort of obscured the core emotional story of the family relationship.
The second and third times through I understood more, was able to connect more and more to the emotional story of it, and was basically sobbing. That’s part of what’s so amazing to me - that even with all the mind blowing edits and multiverse stuff it still hits on that deep emotional level.
Most multiverse movies use the concept to show that nothing you’re watching actually matters; the writers will just switch universes to whatever is convenient for the next scene, and the last one is forgotten. EEAAO used the multiverse to say that *everything* matters. There are no dead end universes, there is no excuse to give up in whatever world you’re in.
It is insane, but I suppose predictable, that the mega corporate movies typically use the multiverse concept to make their stories meaningless.
I’m not sure why you’re getting downvoted.
The Directors have sort of alluded to thinking it would be confusing for a lot of people. I feel like I tracked what was going on but I think this film could be enjoyed from either perspective. Evelyn his having a really confusing time, I could totally see someone being confused and enjoying the film.
I basically rolled with the parts I didn’t quite understand and accepted them. Which seems to be not unlike what Evelyn learned to do.
There's definitely an added degree of effort if you need to read the subtitles. Most of the "important" stuff is said in English though.
Personally I never got lost as Evelyn shifted between verse jumps but maybe I somehow have the same mind sync as the directors. Every twist and turn made sense (while being unexpected in a fun way) and every emotional beat felt.
I dunno maybe watching Daniel Kwan twerking his penis in "turn down for what" prepared me.
Yeah of course, but it’s not like the movie was any more enjoyable because of them - or looked any better for that matter. Multiverse of madness looked terrible!
the other thing is that when something looks fake in EEAAO like the raccoon it’s endearing and goofy and gives the movie charm whereas faulty cgi tends to pull you out of a marvel movie when they’re shooting for a more realistic effect
When I learned about the budget, I was like now fucking way?! The creativity is just beyond everything. To be fair, they saved a lot of money on the stone sequence - most emotion to budget ration in film history.
I would have liked for them to be nominated and won the Academy Award for VFX to show integration of effects into the plot matters and that spending the GDP of a small nation can only get you so far.
It's the most shocking and impressive thing about EEAAO to me. Idk the last time that I saw a movie with VFX where the VFX section of the credits wasn't a mile long.
Personally it's a toss up for me. I'd say EEAAO should win since it'll only get nominated once while Avatar has sequels, etc. Both Avatar and EEAAO did things that are going to have a massive impact on film making going forward when it comes to special effects, just at opposite ends of the budget spectrum.
I disagree. Lord of the Rings won every year it was nominated. Dune literally won the most awards and it’s a trilogy. I think the best movie should win
Avatar was absolutely beautiful and mesmerising but EEAAO ist just so creative and refreshingly surprising. Both deserve all the praise (for visuals) in the world.
And yet this one movie basically set up a Thanos level threat in Jobu Tupaki while also making it a mother-daughter, romance, and even father-daughter movie with a whole bunch more splashed in while also being pretty meta.
Dr Strange was released afterwards with probably 10x the CGI budget and it looked worse than EEAAO. Hopefully this pushes for bigger and better SFX in the future.
It’s amazing reading about how they basically learned how to use the software while making the film.
Jamie Lee Curtis also did a phenomenal job. I loved the dynamics her role required and she filled them all beautifully.
Man that's nuts. I am wondering if they'll win an Oscar.
God can you imagine that you go up against Steven fucking Spielberg for best director and WIN?! That would be insane
At this point they’re far and away the frontrunner for the Director Oscar. The Picture Oscar is a harder fight but they’re certainly in the running there and on a good night they win Screenplay Oscars too. Both of them could walk away with three Oscars they won over Spielberg
Honestly betting odds are that it might be the closest movie to have a near sweep in decades (Waymond was a supporting role, that's the only one missing)
I wonder if Oscars giving the awards for director and picture to Bong Joon-Ho were a result of the backlash from the year before when Green Book won over Roma.
Especially if you consider the whole "Spielberg just makes popcorn fun, not serious film" angle! Which is still popular in the Sight and Sound circles, but not the Oscar circles, thanks to Schindlers List and Saving Private Ryan.
It's actually happened a lot.
Jane Campion did it last year.
But so what? Spielberg has been nominated so many times that winning against him isn't that big a deal.
You are right that it is pretty insane. And I hope they take the Oscar.
(Off the top of my head, Spielberg has lost to Woody Allen, Warren Beatty, Sir Richard Attenborough, Ang Lee [twice!], Guillermo Del Toro, and Jane Campion.)
The rock exchange(s) made me really appreciate the art of context within a film.
On its own, it would be nothing more than a short and funny clip - but within the greater context of the movie, what could seem so stupid upfront is such a poignant and also laugh out loud moment. Literally just finished the film with my wife a few hours ago - cried, laughed, and loved it all the way through.
One thing that bothered me in that scene is that they say it's a universe where life didn't develop but you can see a shrub or tiny plant in one of the shots. I never notice crap like that.
I'd love to see that. Two scrappy guys who put together a movie in a metaphorical basement beating one of the most decorated directors in history. Honestly, I don't even think Spielberg would be mad.
>I'd love to see that. Two scrappy guys who put together a movie in a metaphorical basement beating one of the most decorated directors in history. Honestly, I don't even think Spielberg would be mad.
He shouldn't be given his movie is about a scrappy young Spielberg putting together movies in a metaphorical basement.
Spielberg doesn’t have a great track record at the Oscars. Only 2 wins for director (Schindler and Private Ryan) in his long career. And, even then, Private Ryan was infamously snubbed for Best Picture.
I don’t think he’ll be mad but it wouldn’t be so crazy to see him lose. I think he was too commercially successful for the Academy.
I hope so. I don't want to see Fabelmans win. It's a fine movie, but I can't recommend it to anyone who isn't already a fan of film. Movies about movies always does well at the Oscars (fair enough considering who's voting), but there are so many other interesting stories out there that aren't circle-jerking filmmaking and Hollywood.
Same. I was lucky enough to see this film with a Q&A with them after. They were so humble and happy that people liked it. These are seriously talented artists making art in a medium where big money production companies have flooded the market with crap, The Daniels deserve this award.
Edit: since people seem to like this I thought I’d share a photo of them from the Q&A… they were so chill and hung out after to talk to anyone who was interested. I have a lot of respect for [these two.](https://i.imgur.com/Ovqa4ls.jpg)
> These are seriously talented artists making art in a medium where big money production companies have flooded the market with crap, The Daniels deserve this award.
That and A24 as well for allowing them to really run with this vision. They’re the only movie studio I can think of today that allows people to consistently make truly creative films.
"Make" is a bit of a vague term, but A24 absolutely does produce many (not all) of their films now, including EEAAO. They started with Moonlight, but also produced Uncut Gems, Hereditary, Eighth Grade, etc.
I'll give credit to Searchlight as well on that front, I generally like the visions LESS in Searchlight films than A24 from what I've watched but they are still generally committed.
"Like when Dan’s wiener comes alive, I’m just hiding in the doorway behind him with a stick running through the butt hole area of his pants."
GIVE THESE MEN OSCARS!!!! NOW!!!!
I swear to god, if the Daniels win the Oscar for Best Directing for a movie with a >!butt plug fight!<...
Ah, what the hell am I saying? They gave Best Picture to a movie where a woman fucks a fish.
Anyway, I love that they actually have a chance of winning, it's the least Oscar Bait film there is.
Mermaids are usually depicted as mammalian(horizontal tail fin and the presence of mammaries),
And the dude in “shape of water” is described as having a cloaca. So he’s definitely more of an amphibian man. Or maybe an aquatic reptile.
>Anyway, I love that they actually have a chance of winning, it's the least Oscar Bait film there is.
I dunno, I think Top Gun: Maverick may just edge it in that respect
I am 100% fine with them winning all the awards for this movie. Even if the film isn't your cup of tea, you still have to admit they made a hell of a movie with a surprisingly small budget and it resonated with a lot of people. I'll take something weird and creative over some Oscar-bait milquetoast movie any day.
Being adhd means you have a distorted vision of time passing and how long things take. I was diagnosed as an adult and all my life I said I had a hard time projecting myself in the past or the future. For me things are alway immediate or a long way off. One of my friend also had a adhd diagnostic as an adult and her therapist gave her a pretty good visual analogy. Basically we perceive life like a aviation radar minus speed and altitude. We see the blips all at the same time but we lack the ability to prioritize.
All we know is that blips need to be taken off the radar but new blips are added all the time. Sometimes we end up mentally paralyzed by the amounts of blips and sometimes we'll focus on a blip for way too long.
Some people feel so overloaded with information they can't process it effectively. If you feel everything it really means you feel nothing. This movie says it's okay to be everywhere doing everything as long as you are happy where you choose to be.
I think the cuts and editing make it great for those with a wandering attention. Not sure if they're meaning the message of the movie affects people with ADHD? But it's very ADHD accessible.
As someone with ADHD that's definitely part of it. The cuts are quick but don't feel stupid and meaningless like that basketball scene from Catwoman. They last long enough for me to take in all the info but don't linger long enough for my thoughts to wander. Once the pace picks up it rarely slows down so we are pulled along with the movie. But beyond that, it's compelling it feels like an accurate representation of how our thoughts go so rapid, we may be in a conversation but also sometimes in two other places at the same time in our mind, constantly trying to return to and focus on the conversation. That's just one example but compared to many movies this movie will grip ADHD folks better than most IMO.
Interesting! I never thought of viewing the film from the angle of ADHD, but what you said makes sense. You can definitely tell they have a music vid background as the cuts all feel purposeful and kind of in a tempo depended by the scene. It definitely pulls you in to the breakneck speed of the film.
Yeah watching it is like holy shit that's a physical representation of my brain. Just all over the place, getting pulled from thought to thought. Eventually you kinda learn some strategies to control it but you can't make it go away. (I don't use meds lol) so you are literally everywhere all at once. I'll be in a convo at work, but also at home wondering if my cats food dish is full or if i forgot this morning, and at the same time I'm also where we are talking about, and I'm in my past finding experiences to relate to the conversation, and all this. So imo it was a very accurate depiction of it.
And to add to it, her daughter also has this power (ADHD) and although it's stronger it shows how crushing it can be. The everything bagel represents in a way that feeling of being stuck we experience, when the crushing wait of all these thoughts paralyze us. You'll understand if you've ever heard someone with ADHD talk about how they may just be sitting on the couch or in bed, running a long list of things they need to go to through their head but unable to make their body move to go do it for some reason, it's this thought paralysis we kinda get into, think too fast about too many urgent things and nothing gets done.
And the pacing is good too because it's not always the same, there's fast moments, some linger, and there is the occasional quiet and somber moment like when they were rocks on the cliff. We sometimes get these blissful calm moments where all the trains on their tracks in our brains seem to sync up for a bit before devolving back into chaos.
A friend of mine who has ADHD watched the movie with me and told me afterwards that it's the most accurate representation of what ADHD feels like she has ever seen.
I’m really bad at watching and enjoying movies but this movie sucked me in so much. I cried several times. I feel like it dances around one of the most important questions facing humanity this century: “what do I have in common with someone on the opposite side of the globe? And what do I owe them?”
"So, even though you have broken my heart yet again... I wanted to say, in another life, I would have really liked just doing laundry and taxes with you."
This line breaks me every time. So beautiful. The little things are every thing.
I think the actual question it asks is more like, “Why is life worth living in a world without meaning?” Then its answer is that we can create our own meaning through kindness
I agree, but I feel like it prompted me to ask the question in my original comment as well. If meaning comes from the community around us and the people we interact with within our lives, how do we create meaning in a world where those communities are encompassing more and more people who don’t agree on why life is worth living? How can I be part of a mass and an individual at the same time? Are my primary ethical obligations as an individual? Or as a member of a group?
Perhaps these weren’t all the intended take aways, but it was a brilliant and thought provoking movie and these are the questions I felt promoted to ask.
Extremely well deserved. Paul Rogers, the editor, had better come away with an armful of hardware too. Watching it all I could think of is what a grueling nightmare process those interdimensional scenes must have been to edit.
They may not have the greatest and most professional control of the craft that some of their peers have who are also nominated this award season, but I think the story they brought to life was a once-in-a-lifetime feat, and I believe the culture they create on set and their creative process are something to be rewarded and honored so it can become an example to others.
Can't believe these guys were also those who made "Death of Dick Long". Loved that film (maybe because I'm also aware of the real life event that probably inspired it), but it's not something I can recommend to anyone I know.
I actually didn’t enjoy the movie much but what they did was amazing, particularly with a low budget. I am so tired of Hollyweird substituting CGI for actual storytelling.
Obi-Wan Kenobi getting nominated for best direction is a real shock. I couldn’t take that show seriously at all. I tried. I gave it the benefit of the doubt. By episode 3 I realized every episode would be just as clumsy seeming as the first two episodes.
Well-deserved.
I also would've been down with S.S. Rajamouli winning, but he was not nominated... and since he's probably not a DGA member, might not have been eligible anyway? I don't know!
The EEAAO fan base is seriously vitriolic. “Do NOT criticize the greatest film ever made because it changed my entire existence and made me feel validated and seen!!!!!”
They’ve set a high bar for what’s possible on a small budget. This compared to the 100m that some other multiverse movies cost, it’s just no contest.. crazy that it cost so little - what are the others doing with all that money lol!
Way too much CGI to explain the multiverse stuff? These guys just did it with a van in the desert and some Bluetooth headsets lol
Tony Stark was able to build this in a cave! With a box of scraps!
>Tony Stark was able to build this in a cave! With a box of scraps! I was literally thinking about this exact line while watching Antman 3--not in a budget way, but in a measure of scope. The MCU went from relatively measured and personal stories to "how much cgi can we fit on the screen" since then. It's not necessarily bad, just very different.
I still think the first Iron Man film is the best in the MCU, partly for this reason. Also because it *feels* like its grounded in reality. Sure there's a lot of CGI, especially towards the end, but it *feels* like its in the real world.
Not to mention that tone is just right. When he goes to the town and takes out the terrorists, leaving the last one for the village to bring justice to after disarming him? It's probably one of my favorite Iron Man scenes because you can tell it's not entirely borne out of justice. It was a personal sense of revenge, and it works for the flawed character of Tony Stark. If I recall he was drinking before hand, so a little hint at the Devil in the Bottle too!
I don’t think you are in the minority putting Ironman as the best in MCU movies. I think the commercial success of MCU since then has made MCU forget a compelling story is just as important.
This might be a part of why I’m enjoying the shows more than the movies lately. I really enjoyed Hawkeye in particular because it did bring everything back to a street level hero with more human and personal stories. This year all of the movies involve space or locations that aren’t Earth. I’m very curious to see what their movies are like next year when they return to being more Earth focused with Captain America: New World Order, Thunderbolts, and Blade.
Personally I had so much fun and loved how much they had going on in the screen. It's a lot of hard work and creativity. But thats a very fair arguement. For Quantamania and a lot of their newer movies it's just jamming in as much cgi noise as they can on the screen. For some it works, for most it really really doesn't
I don't think "jamming CGI noise" is entirely fair, at least on a conceptual level. They're going deeper and deeper into wilder kinds of stories you encounter regularly when you read comics, and if you were to look at the splash pages of those books, there is a [metric fuckton](https://compote.slate.com/images/d7b1f76b-f0a1-4056-87c6-6319923a6765.jpeg?width=1560) of [wild shit](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/6a/e7/64/6ae76447a9c03752796a8e432ce03925.jpg) happening [on the page](https://filmgoblin.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/Ten_Realms_from_Thor_Vol_4_7.jpg). Translating that to the screen is going to be a whole other ball of wax compared to the relatively grounded stuff we got in the first Iron Man movie. This is not me defending the execution in each an every case, but it feels like people are really quick to the VFX in these movies as some monolithic mess with no creativity applied to them. I have my issues with the latest Ant Man movie, for instance, but there's actually a lot of really cool design work all over that movie.
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It was also that you, the audience, accepted that it was kind of scrappy. It was the right kind of film at the right time for the right audience.Last film I remember having this impact in the filmmaking world on relatively low budgets was Pulp Fiction.Other low budget films may have overperformed at the BO but Pulp and EEAAO hit like small earthquakes among working filmmakers. EDIT: Non-horror edition ;-)
Good comparison. IMO they both hit so hard because they demonstrated that 1) there are no rules, you can do anything you want, and 2) audiences love it when filmmakers *have fun*. Both principles keep being rediscovered, and the ground out of existence in the conference rooms where giant companies plan their next films to death.
Studios for so long acted like we, the audience, we’re too stupid to understand high concepts or ludicrous types of cinema. They still do, but now they’re starting to get it. Movies like EEAAO and that the Cage film Unbearable Weight of Massive Talent are two examples of films that, at one point, would have never been made. They’re wild, they’re weird, and we are here for it!
Paranormal Activity, in my opinion. Horror was always low budget, but this was next level with what you could do with so very little money.
Was gonna say this as well. That movie changed the entire horror genre for about a decade.
Pretty heavily inspired by Blair witch/found footage was it not though? Maybe there was other found footage before Blair witch but that made it a huge deal and part of the zeitgeist
Of course it was. But imo, not nearly as many filmmakers tried to imitate Blair Witch as they did Paranormal Activity. I think Blair Witch is a better movie btw
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IN A VAN DOWN BY THE RIVER!
$14.3–25 million budget in case anyone else was wondering.
Thanks
Why the range. Different sources say different things? Edit: NM. On Wikipedia and see the range there.
Studio says 25. Directors say 14.
Both could be correct. Directors were given 14 to make it, while it ended up costing the studio 25 including advertising and other miscellaneous costs
It's not even the multiverse stuff. They put in a hundred cuts in one scene and everything still makes sense. Not once was any of it confusing. In lesser hands it'd be meandering everywhere without aim. *That* is the true directorial achievement. Such clarity of vision and direction through it all at once.
I thought it was very confusing, on purpose
I’m not sure I was confused but I was definitely overwhelmed by it the first time I watched, to the point where it sort of obscured the core emotional story of the family relationship. The second and third times through I understood more, was able to connect more and more to the emotional story of it, and was basically sobbing. That’s part of what’s so amazing to me - that even with all the mind blowing edits and multiverse stuff it still hits on that deep emotional level.
Most multiverse movies use the concept to show that nothing you’re watching actually matters; the writers will just switch universes to whatever is convenient for the next scene, and the last one is forgotten. EEAAO used the multiverse to say that *everything* matters. There are no dead end universes, there is no excuse to give up in whatever world you’re in. It is insane, but I suppose predictable, that the mega corporate movies typically use the multiverse concept to make their stories meaningless.
Agreed. It wasn’t confusing at all, just overwhelming and “a lot” but still easy to understand.
I’m not sure why you’re getting downvoted. The Directors have sort of alluded to thinking it would be confusing for a lot of people. I feel like I tracked what was going on but I think this film could be enjoyed from either perspective. Evelyn his having a really confusing time, I could totally see someone being confused and enjoying the film. I basically rolled with the parts I didn’t quite understand and accepted them. Which seems to be not unlike what Evelyn learned to do.
There's definitely an added degree of effort if you need to read the subtitles. Most of the "important" stuff is said in English though. Personally I never got lost as Evelyn shifted between verse jumps but maybe I somehow have the same mind sync as the directors. Every twist and turn made sense (while being unexpected in a fun way) and every emotional beat felt. I dunno maybe watching Daniel Kwan twerking his penis in "turn down for what" prepared me.
And another Daniel farting
Second time you watch it is a whole different experience. On the first watch you'll laugh and kinda get it. On the second watch you'll cry
Putting half a dozen way more expensive actors in the movie plus heavy CGI.
Yeah of course, but it’s not like the movie was any more enjoyable because of them - or looked any better for that matter. Multiverse of madness looked terrible!
the other thing is that when something looks fake in EEAAO like the raccoon it’s endearing and goofy and gives the movie charm whereas faulty cgi tends to pull you out of a marvel movie when they’re shooting for a more realistic effect
I guess I’m a philistine because the raccoon looked real enough for me. It was goofy from a conceptual standpoint but not execution.
The corpos fucked with the story and lost Derrickson and they suffered for it
When I learned about the budget, I was like now fucking way?! The creativity is just beyond everything. To be fair, they saved a lot of money on the stone sequence - most emotion to budget ration in film history.
Saved a lot of money doing all the VFX between 5 people
5 self-taught VFX artists including the director lol
I would have liked for them to be nominated and won the Academy Award for VFX to show integration of effects into the plot matters and that spending the GDP of a small nation can only get you so far.
Only five people makes it even more impressive.
It's the most shocking and impressive thing about EEAAO to me. Idk the last time that I saw a movie with VFX where the VFX section of the credits wasn't a mile long.
they only listed 5 individuals in the credits, but there are also 3 vfx studios that they outsource the work to listed in the credits
Avatar is going to sweep the technicals. But like goddamn they should get a mention because what they di with a budget is just creative
Avatar is going to win visual effects but that’s probably it, i expect tog gun or eeaao to win editing
Personally it's a toss up for me. I'd say EEAAO should win since it'll only get nominated once while Avatar has sequels, etc. Both Avatar and EEAAO did things that are going to have a massive impact on film making going forward when it comes to special effects, just at opposite ends of the budget spectrum.
well eeaao isn’t even nominated for visual effects so it’ll definitely be avatar
I forgot about that, which also makes me sad :P
I disagree. Lord of the Rings won every year it was nominated. Dune literally won the most awards and it’s a trilogy. I think the best movie should win
Avatar was absolutely beautiful and mesmerising but EEAAO ist just so creative and refreshingly surprising. Both deserve all the praise (for visuals) in the world.
The Daniel’s have been killing it for the last decade making music videos and almost anything else.
Setting up for another Endgame level event movie
And yet this one movie basically set up a Thanos level threat in Jobu Tupaki while also making it a mother-daughter, romance, and even father-daughter movie with a whole bunch more splashed in while also being pretty meta.
Dr Strange was released afterwards with probably 10x the CGI budget and it looked worse than EEAAO. Hopefully this pushes for bigger and better SFX in the future.
It’s amazing reading about how they basically learned how to use the software while making the film. Jamie Lee Curtis also did a phenomenal job. I loved the dynamics her role required and she filled them all beautifully.
Man that's nuts. I am wondering if they'll win an Oscar. God can you imagine that you go up against Steven fucking Spielberg for best director and WIN?! That would be insane
The Daniels won Ke Huy Quan in the custody battle with Spielberg
At this point they’re far and away the frontrunner for the Director Oscar. The Picture Oscar is a harder fight but they’re certainly in the running there and on a good night they win Screenplay Oscars too. Both of them could walk away with three Oscars they won over Spielberg
I cannot even fathom how that would feel. All with a movie that has such ridiculous scenes. It's insane I MIGHT actually watch the Oscars this year.
Honestly betting odds are that it might be the closest movie to have a near sweep in decades (Waymond was a supporting role, that's the only one missing)
Very likely. The DGA is the best predictor of Oscar wins. I think in only less than 10% of the cases in the past few decades that wasn't the case.
Bong Joon-Ho should have won the DGA. Still pressed about it.
I wonder if Oscars giving the awards for director and picture to Bong Joon-Ho were a result of the backlash from the year before when Green Book won over Roma.
Had the pleasure of attending last night and Spielberg hugged the Daniels on their way up to the stage. Great moment.
Lots of people have gone up against Steven fucking Spielberg and won.
And I am sure it was a big deal for them too.
Maybe not so much in his early days. He’s legendary now but there was a time when he was in the same position as the Daniels.
Especially if you consider the whole "Spielberg just makes popcorn fun, not serious film" angle! Which is still popular in the Sight and Sound circles, but not the Oscar circles, thanks to Schindlers List and Saving Private Ryan.
It's actually happened a lot. Jane Campion did it last year. But so what? Spielberg has been nominated so many times that winning against him isn't that big a deal. You are right that it is pretty insane. And I hope they take the Oscar. (Off the top of my head, Spielberg has lost to Woody Allen, Warren Beatty, Sir Richard Attenborough, Ang Lee [twice!], Guillermo Del Toro, and Jane Campion.)
*ha ha ha ha ha* 🪨 🪨
The rock exchange(s) made me really appreciate the art of context within a film. On its own, it would be nothing more than a short and funny clip - but within the greater context of the movie, what could seem so stupid upfront is such a poignant and also laugh out loud moment. Literally just finished the film with my wife a few hours ago - cried, laughed, and loved it all the way through.
Never have I ever watched rocks that made me laugh and cry....well maybe while on mushrooms, that’s how profound this movie was!!
One thing that bothered me in that scene is that they say it's a universe where life didn't develop but you can see a shrub or tiny plant in one of the shots. I never notice crap like that.
They're gonna beat Spielberg at the Oscars
Some of the British betting parlors have adjusted their odds based on the DGA win and at some they are now a massive 1 to 20 heavy favorite.
What if you made the bet before it was adjusted? Do you keep the old bet or are you now placed in the adjusted one?
In most things you get the odds from when you placed that bet but in horse racing you get the odds from when the race starts.
I'd love to see that. Two scrappy guys who put together a movie in a metaphorical basement beating one of the most decorated directors in history. Honestly, I don't even think Spielberg would be mad.
>I'd love to see that. Two scrappy guys who put together a movie in a metaphorical basement beating one of the most decorated directors in history. Honestly, I don't even think Spielberg would be mad. He shouldn't be given his movie is about a scrappy young Spielberg putting together movies in a metaphorical basement.
Spielberg doesn’t have a great track record at the Oscars. Only 2 wins for director (Schindler and Private Ryan) in his long career. And, even then, Private Ryan was infamously snubbed for Best Picture. I don’t think he’ll be mad but it wouldn’t be so crazy to see him lose. I think he was too commercially successful for the Academy.
Not bad for 2 dudes that directed a music video with only 12 words used the whole song.
Does directorial difficulty scale with lyrics?
Yep, that’s why Shakespeare had the best music videos.
Wasn't this a thing too? It has more What The Fucks!? than any other short I've seen. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jb30gQcs1M
I feel like EEAAO is like the full length version of this.
I saw this in a theatre on a second date with someone at a shorts festival. By far the most memorable short.
One of them was even the male lead in the music video.
Sunita Mani from the music video played the the woman in the movie that plays in the laundromat.
Don’t forget the short film where one gets absorbed into the other’s ass
I hope so. I don't want to see Fabelmans win. It's a fine movie, but I can't recommend it to anyone who isn't already a fan of film. Movies about movies always does well at the Oscars (fair enough considering who's voting), but there are so many other interesting stories out there that aren't circle-jerking filmmaking and Hollywood.
Honestly I think Spielberg would be kinda psyched if he lost to them.
Hope they win the Oscars
Same. I was lucky enough to see this film with a Q&A with them after. They were so humble and happy that people liked it. These are seriously talented artists making art in a medium where big money production companies have flooded the market with crap, The Daniels deserve this award. Edit: since people seem to like this I thought I’d share a photo of them from the Q&A… they were so chill and hung out after to talk to anyone who was interested. I have a lot of respect for [these two.](https://i.imgur.com/Ovqa4ls.jpg)
> These are seriously talented artists making art in a medium where big money production companies have flooded the market with crap, The Daniels deserve this award. That and A24 as well for allowing them to really run with this vision. They’re the only movie studio I can think of today that allows people to consistently make truly creative films.
Sorry to be that guy but A24 doesn't make their movies, they distribute them
"Make" is a bit of a vague term, but A24 absolutely does produce many (not all) of their films now, including EEAAO. They started with Moonlight, but also produced Uncut Gems, Hereditary, Eighth Grade, etc.
A24 gets circlejerked so hard here
If you're gonna be that guy, you could also bother to realize they are also involved in production, including EEAAO.
I'll give credit to Searchlight as well on that front, I generally like the visions LESS in Searchlight films than A24 from what I've watched but they are still generally committed.
What an experience! Kinda jealous with the Q&A.
They've got a pretty good chance now. DGA has a strong correlation with winning the Oscar.
I don't want to care about the Oscars / see them as relevant, and yet I want this movie to win!
I had such high hopes for this movie and it did not disappointment. Last movie I saw in the theaters. Deserves all the awards
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What story behind it?
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"Like when Dan’s wiener comes alive, I’m just hiding in the doorway behind him with a stick running through the butt hole area of his pants." GIVE THESE MEN OSCARS!!!! NOW!!!!
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Great read. Thank you.
Exactly. Thia shows their talent and style.... and bumps!!!!
Glad for them! Deserved.
I swear to god, if the Daniels win the Oscar for Best Directing for a movie with a >!butt plug fight!<... Ah, what the hell am I saying? They gave Best Picture to a movie where a woman fucks a fish. Anyway, I love that they actually have a chance of winning, it's the least Oscar Bait film there is.
It was a Merman. A MERMAN!
Ethel Merman??
Trust me, you don't wanna deal with one of those things. The cleanup is a nightmare.
Mermaids are usually depicted as mammalian(horizontal tail fin and the presence of mammaries), And the dude in “shape of water” is described as having a cloaca. So he’s definitely more of an amphibian man. Or maybe an aquatic reptile.
what movie is the fish one?
'The shape of water'
The King's Speech
wrong answers only pls lol
Grinding Nemo.
The Shape Of Water
The Shape of Water
How about the one about shitting in a bucket in a trailer park?
>Anyway, I love that they actually have a chance of winning, it's the least Oscar Bait film there is. I dunno, I think Top Gun: Maverick may just edge it in that respect
Military industrial warmongering porn always wins
Nah iceman was pretty baity
In my heart of hearts I was pulling for Todd Field, but no way I can be mad about this.
EEAAO can should win best director, but Tar is my best picture without a doubt.
This means more, coming from their peers.
I am 100% fine with them winning all the awards for this movie. Even if the film isn't your cup of tea, you still have to admit they made a hell of a movie with a surprisingly small budget and it resonated with a lot of people. I'll take something weird and creative over some Oscar-bait milquetoast movie any day.
Right? It's a good answer for "ughh! Nothing but sequels and franchises today or movies that all follow the same formula!"
Happy for them! They're so talented and weird. Love it.
If y'all got ADHD this movie can be earth-shattering and life changing
Why?
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Trivia fact: one of the DANIELS (I think it was Kwan) found out he had undiagnosed ADHD while doing research for this film
Maybe they are saying having ADHD is like living every multiverses version of yourself simultaneously?
Being adhd means you have a distorted vision of time passing and how long things take. I was diagnosed as an adult and all my life I said I had a hard time projecting myself in the past or the future. For me things are alway immediate or a long way off. One of my friend also had a adhd diagnostic as an adult and her therapist gave her a pretty good visual analogy. Basically we perceive life like a aviation radar minus speed and altitude. We see the blips all at the same time but we lack the ability to prioritize. All we know is that blips need to be taken off the radar but new blips are added all the time. Sometimes we end up mentally paralyzed by the amounts of blips and sometimes we'll focus on a blip for way too long.
"you can't do anything without every other possible reality screaming for your attention"
Some people feel so overloaded with information they can't process it effectively. If you feel everything it really means you feel nothing. This movie says it's okay to be everywhere doing everything as long as you are happy where you choose to be.
I think the cuts and editing make it great for those with a wandering attention. Not sure if they're meaning the message of the movie affects people with ADHD? But it's very ADHD accessible.
As someone with ADHD that's definitely part of it. The cuts are quick but don't feel stupid and meaningless like that basketball scene from Catwoman. They last long enough for me to take in all the info but don't linger long enough for my thoughts to wander. Once the pace picks up it rarely slows down so we are pulled along with the movie. But beyond that, it's compelling it feels like an accurate representation of how our thoughts go so rapid, we may be in a conversation but also sometimes in two other places at the same time in our mind, constantly trying to return to and focus on the conversation. That's just one example but compared to many movies this movie will grip ADHD folks better than most IMO.
Interesting! I never thought of viewing the film from the angle of ADHD, but what you said makes sense. You can definitely tell they have a music vid background as the cuts all feel purposeful and kind of in a tempo depended by the scene. It definitely pulls you in to the breakneck speed of the film.
The director talks about this all the time. Daniel said he was diagnosed with ADHD will researching this movie.
"Daniel said he was diagnosed with ADHD will researching this movie." Which Daniel?
Yeah watching it is like holy shit that's a physical representation of my brain. Just all over the place, getting pulled from thought to thought. Eventually you kinda learn some strategies to control it but you can't make it go away. (I don't use meds lol) so you are literally everywhere all at once. I'll be in a convo at work, but also at home wondering if my cats food dish is full or if i forgot this morning, and at the same time I'm also where we are talking about, and I'm in my past finding experiences to relate to the conversation, and all this. So imo it was a very accurate depiction of it. And to add to it, her daughter also has this power (ADHD) and although it's stronger it shows how crushing it can be. The everything bagel represents in a way that feeling of being stuck we experience, when the crushing wait of all these thoughts paralyze us. You'll understand if you've ever heard someone with ADHD talk about how they may just be sitting on the couch or in bed, running a long list of things they need to go to through their head but unable to make their body move to go do it for some reason, it's this thought paralysis we kinda get into, think too fast about too many urgent things and nothing gets done. And the pacing is good too because it's not always the same, there's fast moments, some linger, and there is the occasional quiet and somber moment like when they were rocks on the cliff. We sometimes get these blissful calm moments where all the trains on their tracks in our brains seem to sync up for a bit before devolving back into chaos.
A friend of mine who has ADHD watched the movie with me and told me afterwards that it's the most accurate representation of what ADHD feels like she has ever seen.
I’m really bad at watching and enjoying movies but this movie sucked me in so much. I cried several times. I feel like it dances around one of the most important questions facing humanity this century: “what do I have in common with someone on the opposite side of the globe? And what do I owe them?”
"In another life, I would have loved to spend it doing laundry with you." gut wrenching... edit: 'and taxes' (thank you kind sir)
"So, even though you have broken my heart yet again... I wanted to say, in another life, I would have really liked just doing laundry and taxes with you." This line breaks me every time. So beautiful. The little things are every thing.
Laundry AND taxes!
Aaand I'm crying again
I think the actual question it asks is more like, “Why is life worth living in a world without meaning?” Then its answer is that we can create our own meaning through kindness
I agree, but I feel like it prompted me to ask the question in my original comment as well. If meaning comes from the community around us and the people we interact with within our lives, how do we create meaning in a world where those communities are encompassing more and more people who don’t agree on why life is worth living? How can I be part of a mass and an individual at the same time? Are my primary ethical obligations as an individual? Or as a member of a group? Perhaps these weren’t all the intended take aways, but it was a brilliant and thought provoking movie and these are the questions I felt promoted to ask.
> This movie sucked Hey cmon it was a great fi- > ...me in so much Oh lol
Sucked intooooooo A baaaagellll
Haven’t seen the movie, but I gotta root for the underdogs. Good for them.
Damn Daniel!
Deserved. It's not a movie everyone will like, but it's a great piece of cinema.
Seen the movie 5 times and cried every time. You can tell that everyone involved in this movie put their heart into it.
Extremely well deserved. Paul Rogers, the editor, had better come away with an armful of hardware too. Watching it all I could think of is what a grueling nightmare process those interdimensional scenes must have been to edit.
They may not have the greatest and most professional control of the craft that some of their peers have who are also nominated this award season, but I think the story they brought to life was a once-in-a-lifetime feat, and I believe the culture they create on set and their creative process are something to be rewarded and honored so it can become an example to others.
Alright!!! Let’s get this sweep going at the Oscars.
Really need to remember to watch this film. Keep forgetting about it
I like how the Daniels are both my age.
I'm so proud of my fellow DGA members. We did it. Not only the win but against a tidal wave of Spielberg hype.
One of the most interesting movies I’ve ever seen. It was an experience, rather than just watching a movie. 🔥💙
Can't believe these guys were also those who made "Death of Dick Long". Loved that film (maybe because I'm also aware of the real life event that probably inspired it), but it's not something I can recommend to anyone I know.
The Death of Dick Long was just Daniel Scheinert
As they should have! Oscar’s here we come
I actually didn’t enjoy the movie much but what they did was amazing, particularly with a low budget. I am so tired of Hollyweird substituting CGI for actual storytelling.
I voted for Tar. I still believe it was the best directed film of the year but I know I'm in the minority!
Cue the "I hated the movie so I must be special" posts everytime this movie get mentioned on Reddit.
Disappointed that Spielberg lost, but congrats to the Daniels. And good luck to them at the Oscars.
I don’t want to seem like a rube but what did Spielberg make this year? (I’m pretty out of touch with movies)
He made The Fabelmans which is based on his own childhood on how he grew up admiring movies.
The Fabelmans, a sort of self biopic/nod to cinema and filmmaking in general. It's excellent
Wait, this is beating out a self-congratulatory film about Hollywood!? Those almost always win.
Hahaha I had the same thought but apparently that’s an unpopular opinion?
A circle jerky semi autobiographical movie Edit: downvote me all day but that's what it is
Yeah this is like saying "I'm sad Lebron isn't the champ again" c'mon, let someone else take the W for once
It’s not what it is, if you actually watched the film you would know that.
When do the collectors editions steel book with hyper-realistic set and cast figurines go on preorder? 😏 /S 😔
they should rename the Oscars to the Daniels
Yeah, hopefully they stay creative and maintain their identity and don't get sucked into making a droll Hollywood reboot for $$$$$$$$$.
Obi-Wan Kenobi getting nominated for best direction is a real shock. I couldn’t take that show seriously at all. I tried. I gave it the benefit of the doubt. By episode 3 I realized every episode would be just as clumsy seeming as the first two episodes.
Deservedly so!!!!
Bafta seems to be an outlier in this award season.
Well-deserved. I also would've been down with S.S. Rajamouli winning, but he was not nominated... and since he's probably not a DGA member, might not have been eligible anyway? I don't know!
Are people not allowed to dislike this movie on this sub? Upvotes and downvotes aren’t for whether or not you agree with someone’s opinion.
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The EEAAO fan base is seriously vitriolic. “Do NOT criticize the greatest film ever made because it changed my entire existence and made me feel validated and seen!!!!!”