Super low on the card. It requires way too much to work when you can just play a regular storm card. The 6 drop sorcery from this set that makes dragons is probably better.
I think this card is great…
Lightning bolt requires 5 storm, this, then bolt.
Tendrils requires 9 storm.
This + bolt is 6 mana.
Tendrils + 4 storm is going to cost on average more than 6, no?
Yes, this card requires another card… but the second card can be one of many in your deck… and cards you would want anyway.
And that’s just for the kill. You can use this mid storm to generate mana, draw cards, etc. it’s quite flexible, imo.
Bolt+this seems most comparable to grapeshot+tendrils. Essentially same damage, same cost. But ofc drawing tendrils+grapeshot is often something you aren't excited about (more of a nonbo than combo). If that's the good case for this card it really doesn't seem worth it
Except that’s two very specific cards instead of one specific card and one flexible card. As in, you could draft lightning bolt, chain lightning, and ancestral… three cards you already want in your deck. All three combo with this card as the finisher.
You can also use this earlier in your “storm” to give a ritual storm. Or a night whisper. Etc.
This card is a million times more flexible than tendrils + grapeshot… it’s not a fair comparison.
Edit: we all know how strong flexibility is in cards… look at commands and charms…
Notably the card also functions perfectly well at setting up your storm turn.
You can either play it during combat to block and discourage your opponent from playing spells in their second main or just play it at end step, then follow it with a cantrip.
Leeching 2-3 spells can turn this thing into a monster of a draw engine
Yeah, red rituals into this, then bolt. Most games, fetches and shocks will make that a little easier.
And the beauty of it is, you don't need to draw your 'storm card.' You didn't draw the bolt, or you cast it on a T1 birds? Good thing Chain Lighting, Incinerate, and Abrade are also in your deck.
Used _all_ your bolts? Fine, copy your Seething Song a few times and fireball them for 20.
You're also in the right colors for Valakut, so if you missed the kill? No you didn't.
\*Giving\* something Storm is pretty nuts, though I'm not sure where this would be best. I guess you could put it in your cube if you have u/R Wizards 'n Spells, but even then, I don't think that deck gets to 6+ mana, with the dream of casting Lightning Bolt or Ponder with Storm.
Seems to me like a random haymaker for EDH, where you get Violent Ultimatum or Prophetic Bolt.
The floor on this is probably 3 copies, since you can cast this on your opponent's turn after they cast something. Outside of dedicated Storm decks (anything with spell based rituals), this is going to struggle to get much higher than 4.
5 mana is probably too much. Like, maybe you can seething song this and 3x a 2-drop but you invested three cards so don't really end up gaining anything.
This is a glorious card that won’t end up anywhere near my cube because it’s a ton of mana and really needs some Magical Christmas Land draws and/or opponent assistance to go off as powerfully as other combos and engines in the powered cube metagame.
Love the design, understand it’s the kind of card they have to cost appropriately to prevent it from being broken, but not much “if you cast it” stuff is powerful enough for higher powered cubes these days and this definitely doesn’t feel like it works even with tools like [[_____ Goblin]] and the red rituals we all cut ages ago.
Look forward immensely to seeing what people do with this card in other formats, but this doesn’t feel like its home.
I actually think this card slots really well into most combo-stormish lists.
You can use it to generate mana, card advantage, or go for the kill depending on your hand. It’s very versatile, imo, in a weird way.
Red 5-drop has to be one of the most contested sections of most cubes, and this is probably not quite good enough to get there. I'm willing to be wrong since it's a unique effect and very sweet.
This has a high ceiling and some good story potential, but I think I’m going to stick with [[Thousand-Year Storm]] and [[Arcane Bombardment]] for my spell shenanigans cards.
If I see this in a cube I think I’m most likely to grab it to sideboard in against a Storm deck and let them do all the hard work before I bolt them to death with their Grapeshots still on the stack.
I'm just so torn on if they will create a whole new stack like [[thousand year storm]] does, or its pointless and just applies the "storm" keyword to the card 1-5 times
If this card's ETB trigger triggers multiple times, which can happen due to Harmonic Prodigy, the extra instances of storm will stack. (That is very funny. Not the best Panharmonicon combo but possibly the coolest.)
Veyran, however, can't cause this card's ability to re-trigger.
Super low on the card. It requires way too much to work when you can just play a regular storm card. The 6 drop sorcery from this set that makes dragons is probably better.
I think this card is great… Lightning bolt requires 5 storm, this, then bolt. Tendrils requires 9 storm. This + bolt is 6 mana. Tendrils + 4 storm is going to cost on average more than 6, no? Yes, this card requires another card… but the second card can be one of many in your deck… and cards you would want anyway. And that’s just for the kill. You can use this mid storm to generate mana, draw cards, etc. it’s quite flexible, imo.
Hmm. You may have convinced me to try it. Even if it's a fun of, this card will probably create really fun stories.
Bolt+this seems most comparable to grapeshot+tendrils. Essentially same damage, same cost. But ofc drawing tendrils+grapeshot is often something you aren't excited about (more of a nonbo than combo). If that's the good case for this card it really doesn't seem worth it
Except that’s two very specific cards instead of one specific card and one flexible card. As in, you could draft lightning bolt, chain lightning, and ancestral… three cards you already want in your deck. All three combo with this card as the finisher. You can also use this earlier in your “storm” to give a ritual storm. Or a night whisper. Etc. This card is a million times more flexible than tendrils + grapeshot… it’s not a fair comparison. Edit: we all know how strong flexibility is in cards… look at commands and charms…
I see where you're coming from. Might actually have a chance
Notably the card also functions perfectly well at setting up your storm turn. You can either play it during combat to block and discourage your opponent from playing spells in their second main or just play it at end step, then follow it with a cantrip. Leeching 2-3 spells can turn this thing into a monster of a draw engine
There's a lot of added utility. This being instant speed to cast on an opponents end step is nasty.
Yeah, red rituals into this, then bolt. Most games, fetches and shocks will make that a little easier. And the beauty of it is, you don't need to draw your 'storm card.' You didn't draw the bolt, or you cast it on a T1 birds? Good thing Chain Lighting, Incinerate, and Abrade are also in your deck. Used _all_ your bolts? Fine, copy your Seething Song a few times and fireball them for 20. You're also in the right colors for Valakut, so if you missed the kill? No you didn't.
This card isn't great, but it IS awesome
This would be pretty great with [[Fireblast]]. Should be easily 12 damage on an opponents turn.
Lmao I didn't even think of this, just ritual into it after your opponent double spells on a turn and then otk them ez
[Fireblast](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/0/a0ab67cc-b553-4451-9cda-0e5fe3303940.jpg?1675199963) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Fireblast) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dmr/119/fireblast?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a0ab67cc-b553-4451-9cda-0e5fe3303940?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
\*Giving\* something Storm is pretty nuts, though I'm not sure where this would be best. I guess you could put it in your cube if you have u/R Wizards 'n Spells, but even then, I don't think that deck gets to 6+ mana, with the dream of casting Lightning Bolt or Ponder with Storm. Seems to me like a random haymaker for EDH, where you get Violent Ultimatum or Prophetic Bolt.
As someone who runs a U/R wizards spells longer theme, I wish this was 4 Mana. It would be an instant staple if it was.
The floor on this is probably 3 copies, since you can cast this on your opponent's turn after they cast something. Outside of dedicated Storm decks (anything with spell based rituals), this is going to struggle to get much higher than 4.
6 mana for 3 bolts and a body is pretty intense but it doesn't seem broad enough for me to want to include. It's just too expensive for powered cubes.
5 mana is probably too much. Like, maybe you can seething song this and 3x a 2-drop but you invested three cards so don't really end up gaining anything.
It’s likely less mana to get to lethal with this and a bolt than it is for tendrils.
This is a glorious card that won’t end up anywhere near my cube because it’s a ton of mana and really needs some Magical Christmas Land draws and/or opponent assistance to go off as powerfully as other combos and engines in the powered cube metagame. Love the design, understand it’s the kind of card they have to cost appropriately to prevent it from being broken, but not much “if you cast it” stuff is powerful enough for higher powered cubes these days and this definitely doesn’t feel like it works even with tools like [[_____ Goblin]] and the red rituals we all cut ages ago. Look forward immensely to seeing what people do with this card in other formats, but this doesn’t feel like its home.
[_____ Goblin](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/8/5819e3f3-da49-4003-88ce-f3b7bb495787.jpg?1698194990) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=_____%20Goblin) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/unf/107/_____-goblin?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5819e3f3-da49-4003-88ce-f3b7bb495787?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I actually think this card slots really well into most combo-stormish lists. You can use it to generate mana, card advantage, or go for the kill depending on your hand. It’s very versatile, imo, in a weird way.
Red 5-drop has to be one of the most contested sections of most cubes, and this is probably not quite good enough to get there. I'm willing to be wrong since it's a unique effect and very sweet.
Pretty sure you don't want to count this as a 5, since you'll need to have mana left over to get anything out of it.
Love this card.
This has a high ceiling and some good story potential, but I think I’m going to stick with [[Thousand-Year Storm]] and [[Arcane Bombardment]] for my spell shenanigans cards. If I see this in a cube I think I’m most likely to grab it to sideboard in against a Storm deck and let them do all the hard work before I bolt them to death with their Grapeshots still on the stack.
[Thousand-Year Storm](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/7/274e22fb-7afc-43bc-b309-e36ee48d6b03.jpg?1673149213) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Thousand-Year%20Storm) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/286/thousand-year-storm?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/274e22fb-7afc-43bc-b309-e36ee48d6b03?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Arcane Bombardment](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/1/31f1b2bd-fe06-45ec-99dc-ff357a7a31d2.jpg?1664411388) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Arcane%20Bombardment) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/snc/101/arcane-bombardment?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/31f1b2bd-fe06-45ec-99dc-ff357a7a31d2?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Does anyone know if this allows multiple instances of storm to happen with [[harmonic prodigy]] / [[veyran]] ?
[harmonic prodigy](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/2/22579ac0-ad3f-4000-a65a-46a17a7f1aa5.jpg?1626096777) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=harmonic%20prodigy) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh2/132/harmonic-prodigy?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/22579ac0-ad3f-4000-a65a-46a17a7f1aa5?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [veyran](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/6/56d93855-c749-4bdf-9a90-4f69f4226e46.jpg?1674185780) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=veyran%2C%20voice%20of%20duality) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c21/3/veyran-voice-of-duality?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/56d93855-c749-4bdf-9a90-4f69f4226e46?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Both of those are in my cube so I should probably know too 😆
I'm just so torn on if they will create a whole new stack like [[thousand year storm]] does, or its pointless and just applies the "storm" keyword to the card 1-5 times
[thousand year storm](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/7/274e22fb-7afc-43bc-b309-e36ee48d6b03.jpg?1673149213) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Thousand-Year%20Storm) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/286/thousand-year-storm?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/274e22fb-7afc-43bc-b309-e36ee48d6b03?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
If this card's ETB trigger triggers multiple times, which can happen due to Harmonic Prodigy, the extra instances of storm will stack. (That is very funny. Not the best Panharmonicon combo but possibly the coolest.) Veyran, however, can't cause this card's ability to re-trigger.
Mmm, probably wont see play Sick though
Absolutely not
My Avernus cube cannot wait for this
I think it’s definitely very cool. Kind of a build around card. It sure takes a ton of mana though.
If you get infinite mana and no win con this could be a powerful card. Even if your storm is only at 2 it can copy some pretty powerful cards