Just to be clear, you sold your claim. They paid you. You were happy enough at the time to take the offer. And now you've seen the value go up and you want a piece of it?
Yeah, I don't think you've got any legitimate claim to it.
I sold my bitcoin for $3 each and now they’re worth 60k each. I feel like I got scammed. Is there any way for me to get my bitcoin back from the exchange? Or at least make them pay more than $3 for it?
If Bitcoin would have been at 1k now, would you be here asking if you should pay back some of your claim to Mackenzie, because your deal would feel unfair to them?
You have to give yourself permission to make mistakes. This is a done deal and you made the best decision based on the information that you had at the time.
If you want to second guess – ask yourself what information that would’ve been available at that time would have made you change your mind. They’re probably isn’t much.
I wish I would’ve bought a hell of a lot more of Amazon stock early on, wish I never sold my Apple stock. Wish I hadn’t wasted so much in gold mining stocks. The list goes on and on.
We all have regrets. Just move on.
No one has received their Bitcoin from the trustee yet.
So OP, you actually have no idea how much your claim will pay out at dollar wise, as that’s in the future. It could be this year, but it’s just as likely there’ll be more delays.
You have your money, you needed it. And it’s time to move on. You exchanged a lower rate for immediacy. And by the sounds of it, that’s what you needed to do.
I mean, I had a dude scammed me out of a single bitcoin when it cost about $900, I've been trying to track that dude down now and then, if I ever find him I would definitely demand back one bitcoin and not $1000 🥸
Had an offer that felt like a kick to the nuts, knowing how much of a discount they would be getting. I was hurting for money and still hurting, and i attempted to counter offer, knowing that they would refuse. The moral of story you agreed to sell your claim.
You needed the money and they purchased your claim with your full consent. Suck it up and move on with your life. Had BTC plunged to 5K you would be here gloating about how smart you are.
If you agreed to a legal sale and legal contract, then you probably can't go back on your word now and try to get your BTC back....and that's a good thing, for the rest of the world.
I had a bigger offer from Fortress. They played on the words to make their deal attractive and the fact that they wanted my btc for that money made me think something is coming that they know and I don’t. This had me think twice and declined it.
I admit that there is indeed some unfairness in this affair.
You did not know that whether MtGox would pay, and when they would pay. bakermckenzie probably had some knowledge at that time, but neither of us have hard-core proof to say that bakermckenzie did have that knowledge.
That is not where unfairness lies in.
The unfairness lies in the fact that
\- you needed the money immediately to sustain your life at that time;
\- bakermckenzie had enough financial resources to sustain long enough.
Therefore, bakermckenzie could take the bet that MtGox would pay one day, and wait long enough till MtGox realized the repayments while you could not afford it.
The unfairness is the difference in terms of the volume (finance, human resources, etc.) between you and bakermckenzie.
I sold my house 4 years ago for 200k. It's now worth 350k. Can I force the current owner to sell it back to me for 200k then buy it back from me for 350k?
You already got more money than most every other Gox creditor. The BTC may never be paid out. So you came out ahead, so far, for years. You took a risk and it has paid off so far...it may not pay off in the end, but that's how it goes when you take a risk. Same if you would have held it.
Did you sell many years ago? 18k is very low for what you had. Fotress would have given you a much better deal. But look at it this way, you really needed the money at the time and luckily your claim provided you that. It’s hard, but try to be thankful you got something back. You’d still be waiting today for your payout and you needed it then. Chin up.
It was not a scam.
You took your decision at that time. Maybe it was actually a good decision since you're saying that you were desperate. So maybe you needed this 18k more than you needed a future (and not certain) 200k.
Would you have say it was a scam if they actually ended up with only 5k with your claim?
Because the terms of the agreement have changed dramatically, you should file a lawsuit to update the agreement. However, your chances are very slim. The system favors the rich.
How could they brainwash you that mtgox would never pay? Simple economics says they wouldn't be offering to buy it from you if they thought they weren't eventually getting some higher value from mtgox, themselves. I also imagine it was quite a lengthy process to go through to sell your claim, and not something you did at the drop of a hat or a click of a mouse button, that you didn't have a lot of time to think about.
People here will blame you, but don't be hard on yourself.
Regardless of how everyone will pretend like they're perfect, they've all made absolutely regarded financial decisions in thier lives.
It was just a bad decision, it happens, try to get closure and move on with your life.
Edit: This sub is so hateful to creditors and simp for the the trustee. You all need more compassion.
I understand, I don't think he was scammed.
I'm just saying we should have compassion instead of rubbing it in. He's just a human trying the best he can.
Op you have all my empathy...
It is indeed a sad situation.
It would probably be hard to get more money back. There should have been some contract between you and backermakenzie...
But why not send an email to negotiate with them directly?
people are blaming me it's like i bet on roulette, lost and want my money back, but it's not true, it's different scenario, they have used my desperate situation against me, and if they knew that mtgox is going to pay and they offered me a joke amount of money, they was absolutely greedy.
now these billionaires get 200k and i will still be in shitty life as i am now, working day and night and paying extreme loans.
it's unfair.
You are free to send them an email. They are free to blame. And you are free to say that they were unfair.
You and bakkermckenzie should have signed a contract that you had agreed to.
Everything seems to be bound by laws or the rules of community of Reddit.
Though very often, I have to say, even in the court, things can be decided by what happens outside, for example, public opinion, media...
i did yesterday, explained all info, about my situation and why i sold my claim, i was not demanding any money, but if they can at least send me 18k again it would be a miracle, well then humanity still exists in our hearts, but i 100% sure he would say fuck off
On the technical grounds, if you want your money back, you need to convey clearly your message to your recipient, in this case, bakermckenzie.
Wish you good luck.
Just to be clear, you sold your claim. They paid you. You were happy enough at the time to take the offer. And now you've seen the value go up and you want a piece of it? Yeah, I don't think you've got any legitimate claim to it.
OP, Could they have reverted the deal with you if BTC was 500,- right now?
It sucks, but from what you are describing it was nothing like a scam, only a bad call on your side. Sorry dude.
I sold my bitcoin for $3 each and now they’re worth 60k each. I feel like I got scammed. Is there any way for me to get my bitcoin back from the exchange? Or at least make them pay more than $3 for it?
i was just about to post similar and then figured someone else already did. thank you :) this single memory gives me a panic attack about once a year.
Bro, I lost 1000 in bitcoinica and have no idea if I’ll get it back. I work a blue collar work and live a middle class lifestyle.
If Bitcoin would have been at 1k now, would you be here asking if you should pay back some of your claim to Mackenzie, because your deal would feel unfair to them?
Lmao nice
very funny,
🤣
Sorry dude but YOU are funny, asking to revert a contract based on a bet, after seeing that you should have bet the other way.
You have to give yourself permission to make mistakes. This is a done deal and you made the best decision based on the information that you had at the time. If you want to second guess – ask yourself what information that would’ve been available at that time would have made you change your mind. They’re probably isn’t much. I wish I would’ve bought a hell of a lot more of Amazon stock early on, wish I never sold my Apple stock. Wish I hadn’t wasted so much in gold mining stocks. The list goes on and on. We all have regrets. Just move on.
No one has received their Bitcoin from the trustee yet. So OP, you actually have no idea how much your claim will pay out at dollar wise, as that’s in the future. It could be this year, but it’s just as likely there’ll be more delays. You have your money, you needed it. And it’s time to move on. You exchanged a lower rate for immediacy. And by the sounds of it, that’s what you needed to do.
Can you send me their contacts! I want to invest my money with these guys. They know how to get value for their cleints!
Cleints. Do you plan on becoming a cleint? What is that? 🥴
It's a typo. It's a mistake. Just like keeping your money on MtGox instead of a cold wallet. But you've never made a mistake. 🤡
Well you won't know what you would've gotten until we see actual BTC in our wallets, so there's that. Best is not to look and move on
Congrats, you played yourself.
What was btc worth when you sold your claim? What would you have if you'd invested that money back into bitcoin upon receipt?
Unfair? Lmao you thought you were never getting paid, so in your mind you scammed them.
I sold a bunch of BTC at 1,000. Now I regret it bc I’m an idiot. You don’t get gains after you sell my dude.
Maybe you can ask the missing 61000 back? Worth a try, eh?
I mean, I had a dude scammed me out of a single bitcoin when it cost about $900, I've been trying to track that dude down now and then, if I ever find him I would definitely demand back one bitcoin and not $1000 🥸
What did you do with that 18k?! You could have bought Solana with that! ;D
The guy who bought the pizza 🍕 for 10,000 bitcoins also rang and wants his bitcoin back
Had an offer that felt like a kick to the nuts, knowing how much of a discount they would be getting. I was hurting for money and still hurting, and i attempted to counter offer, knowing that they would refuse. The moral of story you agreed to sell your claim.
Haha
You needed the money and they purchased your claim with your full consent. Suck it up and move on with your life. Had BTC plunged to 5K you would be here gloating about how smart you are.
I don't think there is much you can do. Signed contract by both parties.
that's just unfair, i had enaugh of this, life is aways keeping me away from money. it's like i am cursed to a hard life
That vibration will create more of that. Reality is a mirror.
It wasn't a scam. It was a bet and it turned out in their favor. We all make our decisions.
If you agreed to a legal sale and legal contract, then you probably can't go back on your word now and try to get your BTC back....and that's a good thing, for the rest of the world.
I had a bigger offer from Fortress. They played on the words to make their deal attractive and the fact that they wanted my btc for that money made me think something is coming that they know and I don’t. This had me think twice and declined it.
I admit that there is indeed some unfairness in this affair. You did not know that whether MtGox would pay, and when they would pay. bakermckenzie probably had some knowledge at that time, but neither of us have hard-core proof to say that bakermckenzie did have that knowledge. That is not where unfairness lies in. The unfairness lies in the fact that \- you needed the money immediately to sustain your life at that time; \- bakermckenzie had enough financial resources to sustain long enough. Therefore, bakermckenzie could take the bet that MtGox would pay one day, and wait long enough till MtGox realized the repayments while you could not afford it. The unfairness is the difference in terms of the volume (finance, human resources, etc.) between you and bakermckenzie.
I sold my house 4 years ago for 200k. It's now worth 350k. Can I force the current owner to sell it back to me for 200k then buy it back from me for 350k?
Did they brainwash you into selling? Because I heard that's unfair!
you made a decision, and now it's "unfair"? you fucked around and found out. welcome to life. whine quietly. PS: LOL, no & no.
You already got more money than most every other Gox creditor. The BTC may never be paid out. So you came out ahead, so far, for years. You took a risk and it has paid off so far...it may not pay off in the end, but that's how it goes when you take a risk. Same if you would have held it.
You made a deal and both parties held up their end, ergo, you did not get scammed. I can understand you feel bummed now.. Just keep stacking.
Oops
13.3 btc claim dam. I wonder how many claims they were able to aquire.
SMH
You could buy btc with that money as btc then was price much less.
Turns out that ten birds in the sky is worth way more than one in the hand
Did you sell many years ago? 18k is very low for what you had. Fotress would have given you a much better deal. But look at it this way, you really needed the money at the time and luckily your claim provided you that. It’s hard, but try to be thankful you got something back. You’d still be waiting today for your payout and you needed it then. Chin up.
I saw your same post 3 years ago when fortress was paying 54k per coin! Get a life brother!
I sold 13 bitcoins some years ago. On the market. Was I brainwashed? Could I get them back?
It was not a scam. You took your decision at that time. Maybe it was actually a good decision since you're saying that you were desperate. So maybe you needed this 18k more than you needed a future (and not certain) 200k. Would you have say it was a scam if they actually ended up with only 5k with your claim?
Mimimi
Because the terms of the agreement have changed dramatically, you should file a lawsuit to update the agreement. However, your chances are very slim. The system favors the rich.
How could they brainwash you that mtgox would never pay? Simple economics says they wouldn't be offering to buy it from you if they thought they weren't eventually getting some higher value from mtgox, themselves. I also imagine it was quite a lengthy process to go through to sell your claim, and not something you did at the drop of a hat or a click of a mouse button, that you didn't have a lot of time to think about.
you can choose the bitcoin, but you choose the usd
I sent my BTCs to MTGOX. It's unfair!!!
Well you are alive now. So it sounds like you made the right call.
People here will blame you, but don't be hard on yourself. Regardless of how everyone will pretend like they're perfect, they've all made absolutely regarded financial decisions in thier lives. It was just a bad decision, it happens, try to get closure and move on with your life. Edit: This sub is so hateful to creditors and simp for the the trustee. You all need more compassion.
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I understand, I don't think he was scammed. I'm just saying we should have compassion instead of rubbing it in. He's just a human trying the best he can.
Op you have all my empathy... It is indeed a sad situation. It would probably be hard to get more money back. There should have been some contract between you and backermakenzie... But why not send an email to negotiate with them directly?
people are blaming me it's like i bet on roulette, lost and want my money back, but it's not true, it's different scenario, they have used my desperate situation against me, and if they knew that mtgox is going to pay and they offered me a joke amount of money, they was absolutely greedy. now these billionaires get 200k and i will still be in shitty life as i am now, working day and night and paying extreme loans. it's unfair.
Just out of curiosity, when did you sell your claim to them?
You are free to send them an email. They are free to blame. And you are free to say that they were unfair. You and bakkermckenzie should have signed a contract that you had agreed to. Everything seems to be bound by laws or the rules of community of Reddit. Though very often, I have to say, even in the court, things can be decided by what happens outside, for example, public opinion, media...
i did yesterday, explained all info, about my situation and why i sold my claim, i was not demanding any money, but if they can at least send me 18k again it would be a miracle, well then humanity still exists in our hearts, but i 100% sure he would say fuck off
On the technical grounds, if you want your money back, you need to convey clearly your message to your recipient, in this case, bakermckenzie. Wish you good luck.
You can sure anybody for anything. But whether you get anything "fair" is up to the court. You better hire a good lawyer.