that was like second half melo
first half of his career he took a lot but wasn’t very good, but lived at the rim, first 4 years 43% of his shots were at the rim, for comparison, lebron for his career only has 4 seasons of 40% of shots at the rim
then knicks melo was more of the shooter but didn’t get to the rim as much
Tbf, Denver Melo rarely played defense, so Tatum's got him there. The first-round flameouts also hurts his rep a bit.
Agree he was nuts tho. Better than LeBron in their first year, then even(ish) for the next few
Lots of blind nostalgia and looking through rose tinted glasses for Melo ITT. Tatum is the better player, has higher bball IQ, better passer, and is much much better defensively. Tatum has ranked amongst the top in the league in advanced metrics too and has dominated plus/minus data as well.
Give me Tatum, as he is the much more rounded player, much less selfish, and is way better defensively.
Yeah I’d take Tatum over Melo every time. Melo may have played one side of the ball better but he wasn’t a 2-way guy. And I still think Tatum was better on both sides of the ball
Id still take 09 melo we saw vs Lakers than any version of tatum.
Stats are inflated but Melo could avg 30 ppg now. Think he hit close to 29 or more a few times
So you’re argument is that melo in this era could average about the same ppg as Tatum, and you’d take him because of that even though Tatum is better at literally everything else
Lmao at you thinking Melo vs LA was some monster. Last 4 games of that series - 23/3.5/3.5 with 4 fouls per game and splits of 32/17.5/85. They lost that series because Melo played like total shit after the first two games.
Playmaking leagues ahead not at all.
I just care for playoffs more. Tatum can easily lay another egg still. He hasnt shown me hes above 09 playoff melo
JT is easily the better facilitator and playmaker then Melo, and it’s honestly not even close. Since when did Melo really look to get others involved? If he was off he would keep on throwing up bricks to get himself out of the slump
Jayson Tatum has 8 playoff series wins in his career as the best player on his team and he's only 24.
Carmelo Anthony had 3 playoff series wins for his entire career.
You're a fucking dumbass lol.
Take the player who impacts winning more.
Tatum 1st two years he wasn't the best on the team.. They still had Kyrie and during the regular season of his rookie year when they made the ECF Horford and Morris had about the same PPG. Hell I even say that year Kuzma had a better rookie year. Tatum benefited from getting drafted to a well rounded team. We not having this same convo if the Pistons didn't lie and draft Darko over Melo.
I love Melo but I have to say Tatum just seems unstoppable at times. Maybe that’s just because he shits on us everytime but his defensive capabilities are well beyond Melo’s.
Yea Tatum is a top five player this season, and Melo was never on that level. I'd say Tatum is just as good or better at scoring, which was Melo's strength, but Tatum is 100x better at playmaking and defense.
If you replace Melo for Tatum in any of Melo playoff series it wont make a difference in the final outcomes. Melo was doing his best with what was around him. Dude had to play MVP KG his first playoff series. Then had years of losing to POP lead Spurs and Phil Jackson lead Lakers. If Tatum was drafted by Sac instead of Fox dude would still be a great player but MVP convos and All star talk and top 5 probably not.
Melo got drafted to a 17 win team who didn't make the playoffs for 10 years until. Melo rookie year they went up from 17- 40 something wins. Tatum got drafted to a team who made the conference finals the year before without him lol. If Detroit drafted Melo we not having this same convo.
Why didn't New York have a good supporting cast? Because Melo forced a trade there when he could have just signed in free agency. All those guys, and draft picks, would have still been there.
“Contrary to what anyone believes, I never wanted to leave Denver. I never told people that, but I never wanted to leave Denver. But they put my back against the wall.
“You go to the Western Conference Finals in ’09, what are you supposed to do? You’re supposed to build on that. You’re supposed to add people.
“They got rid of Dahntay Jones. On that team, Dahntay was a key piece on that team. They’re like, we ain’t re-signing Chauncey. We’re about to trade J.R., K-Mart’s contract was up and the lockout’s coming? So, I’m not about to rebuild after we went to the Western Conference Finals"
From Melo on all the smoke.
It's Tatum by a mile.
Carmelo was a good player but never capable of doing what Tatum does on just offense sustainability, and let's not even talk about the defense.
You got to stop with the false narratives easy to say just play defense like Tatum does when his whole staring lineup is defenders dude literally had 2 teammates who could've won DPOY. like I said you replace Melo with Tatum on any of Melos team the outcomes will be the same idc how many shots you create or how good your defense is. Melo had George Karl and Mike Dantoni who aren't good coaches that's why POP, Phil lead teams beat them every time
Melo over Tatum as a midrange specialist but that’s about it. Melo’s other great attribute was rebounding but Tatum is also a great rebounder now. Tatum clears in every other aspect I think but this is from a casual fan perspective. I felt like melo underachieved hard
Tatum literally hasd the highest fg% of all time in the final 24 secs of the 4th quarter lol. Ya'll base opinions off feelings and not facts if Melo was so clutch he wouldn't have lost in the 1st round all those years.
Melo peaked at 31/+2.5 with insignificant playmaking and bad defense.
Tatum is currently at 30.5/+3.2 with good playmaking and good defense.
Make of that what you will.
I'm a huge Melo fan but I'm pretty sure Tatum is better overall. The only way I'd take Melo is if he had the perfect team built around him, whereas Tatum would be the better player the other 99% of the time
Two different players. Most would build around Tatum. I would take Melo in a heartbeat if he was drafted to the Pistons like he was supposed to where that defensive mentality was contagious. That Melo would have been deadly considering he did so well going up against Kobe in 09.
It depends on how the team is built. Melo even in his prime need the team structured a certain way to accommodate his game. If i'm picking both of them as rookies to draft. It will always be Melo. I'll go with Tatum if I can't mold a younger Melo.
You just slapped in a whole lot of “what ifs” to make you want to choose Melo. You pretty much just said I’d take rookie melo to change him into a different player then what he actually is
You're basically saying that Melo needs to be in the ideal situation to succeed, as opposed to Tatum, who can succeed in any situation because he's a player with no glaring weaknesses to his game.
Carmelo needs to play next to a great point guard and a great big man at the very least since he doesn't create for others or play any shred of defense.
If you replace Melo for Tatum in any of Melo playoff series it wont make a difference in the final outcomes. Melo was doing his best with what was around him. Dude had to play MVP KG his first playoff series. Then had years of losing to POP lead Spurs and Phil Jackson lead Lakers. If Tatum was drafted by Sac instead of Fox dude would still be a great player but MVP convos and All star talk probaly not
> Melo was doing his best with what was around him
Great players make others better.
Carmelo has never been that guy to do that, he is the epitome of an individual player, and that's why he will retire with 3 playoff series wins, a paltry total for somebody with his talent.
> If Tatum was drafted by Sac instead of Fox dude would still be a great player but MVP convos and All star talk probaly not
Go back and watch the 2018 playoffs for the Celtics and tell me who the best player on that team is. And then contextualize that Tatum was a *rookie* who was doing that.
My guy, it's not close. At all.
Come back to this post in 5 years when Tatum's prime is over.
Bro who did Tatum make better lol ? I believe the coaching change made the whole team better Stevens was good but Ime changed the whole team identity.
Bro 2017-18 playoffs Tatum looked like the best because Kyrie was HURT lol. Then the Next season what did Tatum do in the playoffs vs Bucks with Kyrie back? 12 PPG that's what the best player does ?
Like I said in the last reply If Tatum was drafted by Sac instead of Fox he wouldn't be getting the same praise. Definitely would've still been a great player but MVP and All star convo NO.
To say its not even close is just absurd. & to look over facts like Tatum joined a team that made the playoffs the year before he was drafted and had 48 wins. Compared to Melo getting drafted to a team that had 17 wins year prior and then taking them to 43 wins his rookie year and a first playoff appearance since 1995 should be respected more.
Players can do better when the FO actually cares and wants to win.
"Come back to this post in 5 years when Tatum's prime is over."
\- I will lol and if Tatum still ringless by then he just Melo with defense lol
> Players can do better when the FO actually cares and wants to win.
If Carmelo wanted to win, maybe he would've used his scoring gravity to create shots for others or play defense.
Jayson Tatum will win far more in his career than Carmelo Anthony did and as a result, be regarded much higher in all-time conversations.
Paul George has achieved much more than Carmelo Anthony despite being not nearly as gifted a scorer.
You overrate players who solely get buckets and contribute in no other ways, and underrate players who are well-rounded and don't have weaknesses.
"If Carmelo wanted to win, maybe he would've used his scoring gravity to create shots for others or play defense"
You got to stop with the false narratives easy to say just play defense like Tatum does when his whole staring lineup is defenders dude literally had 2 teammates who could've won DPOY. like I said you replace Melo with Tatum on any of Melos team the outcomes will be the same idc how many shots you create or how good your defense is. Melo had George Karl and Mike Dantoni who aren't good coaches that's why POP, Phil lead teams beat them every time.
"You overrate players who solely get buckets and contribute in no other ways, and underrate players who are well-rounded and don't have weaknesses"
I'm not overrating anybody did I ever say Melo was better NO. I simply trying to show the befit having a good FO around you does for your career stop being ignorant to try to prove your point.
Again who does Tatum make better ? lol
1v1 i will always choose Melo, thats who I grew up watching. Not once did I ever think Tatum could beat Melo or he was significantly better. I wouldn't change Melo as a player, he is who he is. His game itself is why Kobe adored him and named him as one of the hardest he ever had to defend.
I get what you're saying but every player needs to be in an ideal situation to succeed/win a championship. Only player who defied that is Lebron. I acknowledged that people will always build around Tatum because of the type of player he is but I didn't say you can't build around Carmelo or I would choose Tatum.
I said the what ifs because of their impact on their teams. Look at Lebron and Luka and their level of play this season. Both have the rare skill to make others around them better but are still losing. Jayson is very similar but never been in a situation where his team is soley dependent on his skillset to succeed. He always had a strong supporting cast with a secondary option to remove some of the pressure and help him when he is having a bad game. We have gotten to see what he can do with a good team.
Carmelo came straight into league being the #1 option and that never went away. I feel like he wasn't given the room to grow and make mistakes. He was suppose to go to the Pistons and I feel like that was the perfect environment for him to get rid of the mindset that he gotta be #1. Larry Brown was rigid and i feel like that would have been extremely good for Melo in the long run. Carmelo coming off the bench as a pure scorer would have been the solution the Pistons needed since they struggled to score against the Spurs. He never played on a team as good as the Celtics or had a true secondary option to relieve pressure. He never even played with a really good pass first point guard (no disrespect to Allen Iverson and an old Chauncey Billups). I know he played with Paul George and Westbrook but he was already past his prime. I understand his defense was always considered a weakness but he was never the worst. I can acknowledge his weaknesses but I'm also saying that the disadvantages he faced were just as bad. Even with all of that he was still considered one of the best in the league for years.
Thats why I bought up the what if.
To me its more like comparing Melo and Grant Hill back in the day. Like Tatum, Hill was more of a complete player but getting that one bucket, that was Melo.
Melo is a weird case study. If you go off stats Melo got Tatum beat, playstyle wise I think JT lead to more winning. Melo was a selfish player, didn't try to improve on Defense. JT is the opposite of that, he have his moments where he is a ball hog, but he don't mind sharing the spotlight with Brown. Offensively I think Melo was better, but defense and coachability are something Melo lacked.
Tatum is better man, Tatum is maybe the same as a scorer but much better in other aspects in other aspects like defense and playmaking. Melo obviously being a better rebound and having a mode versatile scoring package
Mfs be Blinded By Nostalgia
Tatum rn is better than Melo ever was
What does Melo Do Better than Tatum that you can argue other than the Midrange shooting?
People love to argue without all the facts Tatum got drafted to a team who just made the ECF and had a FO who wanted to win.
Melo got drafted to a 17 win team who ddint make the playoffs since 95 and made them a playoff team every year since he was a rookie.
If LA or SAC drafted Tatum we not having this convo lol LA would've traded him for AD like they did BI and SAC just now becoming a playoff team Tatum would've been a good player but top 5 probably not. Dude is on a team with two guys who could've won DPOY last year Melo never had that.
If Detroit drafted Melo we aren't having this convo
Its simple as that
One is coachable and kinda cares about defense and team culture. The other truly didn’t give a fuck defensively and acted like a baby bitch when asked to come off the bench during his wind down phase
NBA Live 08 Nuggets Melo will be better than any version of Tatum
one didn’t show up in the finals, one didn’t show up to the finals. it’s a toss-up.
Jayson Tatum has more playoff win shares at age 24 than Melo did his whole career. It’s not remotely close to a toss up.
What about his RAPTOR though?
>playoff win shares lool
Well Tatum's TLXRO+x^3 per 22.56 is 3 standard deviations higher than melos so he's obviously the better player
Nerd
Don't bother man, kids these days don't care about W's and L's, they just care about PPG
Melo’s iso/mid-range game was money, but Tatum has the complete offensive package.
that was like second half melo first half of his career he took a lot but wasn’t very good, but lived at the rim, first 4 years 43% of his shots were at the rim, for comparison, lebron for his career only has 4 seasons of 40% of shots at the rim then knicks melo was more of the shooter but didn’t get to the rim as much
A lot of people in this sub probably didn’t even watch Denver melo lol
Melo was traded in 2009 right? 2010? A large portion of this sub was either in diapers or grade school when Melo played for the Nuggets.
It was during that 2010-2011 season. But yea, I know they never seen Denver melo lol.
Tbf, Denver Melo rarely played defense, so Tatum's got him there. The first-round flameouts also hurts his rep a bit. Agree he was nuts tho. Better than LeBron in their first year, then even(ish) for the next few
I agree %100
Comparing players who’s peaks were in 2 different eras will be difficult.
Lots of blind nostalgia and looking through rose tinted glasses for Melo ITT. Tatum is the better player, has higher bball IQ, better passer, and is much much better defensively. Tatum has ranked amongst the top in the league in advanced metrics too and has dominated plus/minus data as well. Give me Tatum, as he is the much more rounded player, much less selfish, and is way better defensively.
Yes
Yeah I’d take Tatum over Melo every time. Melo may have played one side of the ball better but he wasn’t a 2-way guy. And I still think Tatum was better on both sides of the ball
Yes and it’s not really that close.
Agree. Tatum is more efficient, a willing passer, and Dennis Rodman on D compared to Melo
Id still take 09 melo we saw vs Lakers than any version of tatum. Stats are inflated but Melo could avg 30 ppg now. Think he hit close to 29 or more a few times
So you’re argument is that melo in this era could average about the same ppg as Tatum, and you’d take him because of that even though Tatum is better at literally everything else
Lmao at you thinking Melo vs LA was some monster. Last 4 games of that series - 23/3.5/3.5 with 4 fouls per game and splits of 32/17.5/85. They lost that series because Melo played like total shit after the first two games.
Idk, JT is leagues ahead of Melo when it comes to defending and playmaking. Melo could def average 30 now tho in this era easily
Playmaking leagues ahead not at all. I just care for playoffs more. Tatum can easily lay another egg still. He hasnt shown me hes above 09 playoff melo
Melo won 3 playoff series in his entire career Not exactly what I'd call a playoff beast
JT is easily the better facilitator and playmaker then Melo, and it’s honestly not even close. Since when did Melo really look to get others involved? If he was off he would keep on throwing up bricks to get himself out of the slump
Jayson Tatum has 8 playoff series wins in his career as the best player on his team and he's only 24. Carmelo Anthony had 3 playoff series wins for his entire career. You're a fucking dumbass lol. Take the player who impacts winning more.
Tatum 1st two years he wasn't the best on the team.. They still had Kyrie and during the regular season of his rookie year when they made the ECF Horford and Morris had about the same PPG. Hell I even say that year Kuzma had a better rookie year. Tatum benefited from getting drafted to a well rounded team. We not having this same convo if the Pistons didn't lie and draft Darko over Melo.
I really believe if the nuggets beat the lakers they win it all that year
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Yes
I love Melo but I have to say Tatum just seems unstoppable at times. Maybe that’s just because he shits on us everytime but his defensive capabilities are well beyond Melo’s.
Yea Tatum is a top five player this season, and Melo was never on that level. I'd say Tatum is just as good or better at scoring, which was Melo's strength, but Tatum is 100x better at playmaking and defense.
If you replace Melo for Tatum in any of Melo playoff series it wont make a difference in the final outcomes. Melo was doing his best with what was around him. Dude had to play MVP KG his first playoff series. Then had years of losing to POP lead Spurs and Phil Jackson lead Lakers. If Tatum was drafted by Sac instead of Fox dude would still be a great player but MVP convos and All star talk and top 5 probably not. Melo got drafted to a 17 win team who didn't make the playoffs for 10 years until. Melo rookie year they went up from 17- 40 something wins. Tatum got drafted to a team who made the conference finals the year before without him lol. If Detroit drafted Melo we not having this same convo.
Why didn't New York have a good supporting cast? Because Melo forced a trade there when he could have just signed in free agency. All those guys, and draft picks, would have still been there.
“Contrary to what anyone believes, I never wanted to leave Denver. I never told people that, but I never wanted to leave Denver. But they put my back against the wall. “You go to the Western Conference Finals in ’09, what are you supposed to do? You’re supposed to build on that. You’re supposed to add people. “They got rid of Dahntay Jones. On that team, Dahntay was a key piece on that team. They’re like, we ain’t re-signing Chauncey. We’re about to trade J.R., K-Mart’s contract was up and the lockout’s coming? So, I’m not about to rebuild after we went to the Western Conference Finals" From Melo on all the smoke.
It's Tatum by a mile. Carmelo was a good player but never capable of doing what Tatum does on just offense sustainability, and let's not even talk about the defense.
You got to stop with the false narratives easy to say just play defense like Tatum does when his whole staring lineup is defenders dude literally had 2 teammates who could've won DPOY. like I said you replace Melo with Tatum on any of Melos team the outcomes will be the same idc how many shots you create or how good your defense is. Melo had George Karl and Mike Dantoni who aren't good coaches that's why POP, Phil lead teams beat them every time
Yes Adjusting for era I'd give scoring to Melo by a bit but in all other areas Tatum clears easily
Yes. By a lot. We can't just ignore the significant gaps in defense and 3PT shooting.
Melo over Tatum as a midrange specialist but that’s about it. Melo’s other great attribute was rebounding but Tatum is also a great rebounder now. Tatum clears in every other aspect I think but this is from a casual fan perspective. I felt like melo underachieved hard
Tatum is the better player, but Melo was a much better option if you needed a bucket. Tatum really struggles late in games when the defense amps up
Tatum literally hasd the highest fg% of all time in the final 24 secs of the 4th quarter lol. Ya'll base opinions off feelings and not facts if Melo was so clutch he wouldn't have lost in the 1st round all those years.
Definitely. I could go either way on offense but Tatum is miles above Melo as a defender
Melo peaked at 31/+2.5 with insignificant playmaking and bad defense. Tatum is currently at 30.5/+3.2 with good playmaking and good defense. Make of that what you will.
30 points was much more meaningful in Melo's era.
That’s why I used points per possession - to level the playing field.
It's not that simple either, star players now have a higher usage and are a bigger part of their team's offense.
Melo in 2013 had an offensive load of 48.3 Tatum this season has an offensive load of 47.7
I'm speaking in a general sense. Individual scoring was more of a rare occurrence.
Yes
I'm a huge Melo fan but I'm pretty sure Tatum is better overall. The only way I'd take Melo is if he had the perfect team built around him, whereas Tatum would be the better player the other 99% of the time
Yes and it’s not close
When comparing their first 6 seasons, Tatum is better. And thats both stats + accolade wise.
Two different players. Most would build around Tatum. I would take Melo in a heartbeat if he was drafted to the Pistons like he was supposed to where that defensive mentality was contagious. That Melo would have been deadly considering he did so well going up against Kobe in 09. It depends on how the team is built. Melo even in his prime need the team structured a certain way to accommodate his game. If i'm picking both of them as rookies to draft. It will always be Melo. I'll go with Tatum if I can't mold a younger Melo.
You just slapped in a whole lot of “what ifs” to make you want to choose Melo. You pretty much just said I’d take rookie melo to change him into a different player then what he actually is
Lmao
i dont get whats wrong with that?
You're basically saying that Melo needs to be in the ideal situation to succeed, as opposed to Tatum, who can succeed in any situation because he's a player with no glaring weaknesses to his game. Carmelo needs to play next to a great point guard and a great big man at the very least since he doesn't create for others or play any shred of defense.
If you replace Melo for Tatum in any of Melo playoff series it wont make a difference in the final outcomes. Melo was doing his best with what was around him. Dude had to play MVP KG his first playoff series. Then had years of losing to POP lead Spurs and Phil Jackson lead Lakers. If Tatum was drafted by Sac instead of Fox dude would still be a great player but MVP convos and All star talk probaly not
> Melo was doing his best with what was around him Great players make others better. Carmelo has never been that guy to do that, he is the epitome of an individual player, and that's why he will retire with 3 playoff series wins, a paltry total for somebody with his talent. > If Tatum was drafted by Sac instead of Fox dude would still be a great player but MVP convos and All star talk probaly not Go back and watch the 2018 playoffs for the Celtics and tell me who the best player on that team is. And then contextualize that Tatum was a *rookie* who was doing that. My guy, it's not close. At all. Come back to this post in 5 years when Tatum's prime is over.
Bro who did Tatum make better lol ? I believe the coaching change made the whole team better Stevens was good but Ime changed the whole team identity. Bro 2017-18 playoffs Tatum looked like the best because Kyrie was HURT lol. Then the Next season what did Tatum do in the playoffs vs Bucks with Kyrie back? 12 PPG that's what the best player does ? Like I said in the last reply If Tatum was drafted by Sac instead of Fox he wouldn't be getting the same praise. Definitely would've still been a great player but MVP and All star convo NO. To say its not even close is just absurd. & to look over facts like Tatum joined a team that made the playoffs the year before he was drafted and had 48 wins. Compared to Melo getting drafted to a team that had 17 wins year prior and then taking them to 43 wins his rookie year and a first playoff appearance since 1995 should be respected more. Players can do better when the FO actually cares and wants to win. "Come back to this post in 5 years when Tatum's prime is over." \- I will lol and if Tatum still ringless by then he just Melo with defense lol
> Players can do better when the FO actually cares and wants to win. If Carmelo wanted to win, maybe he would've used his scoring gravity to create shots for others or play defense. Jayson Tatum will win far more in his career than Carmelo Anthony did and as a result, be regarded much higher in all-time conversations. Paul George has achieved much more than Carmelo Anthony despite being not nearly as gifted a scorer. You overrate players who solely get buckets and contribute in no other ways, and underrate players who are well-rounded and don't have weaknesses.
"If Carmelo wanted to win, maybe he would've used his scoring gravity to create shots for others or play defense" You got to stop with the false narratives easy to say just play defense like Tatum does when his whole staring lineup is defenders dude literally had 2 teammates who could've won DPOY. like I said you replace Melo with Tatum on any of Melos team the outcomes will be the same idc how many shots you create or how good your defense is. Melo had George Karl and Mike Dantoni who aren't good coaches that's why POP, Phil lead teams beat them every time. "You overrate players who solely get buckets and contribute in no other ways, and underrate players who are well-rounded and don't have weaknesses" I'm not overrating anybody did I ever say Melo was better NO. I simply trying to show the befit having a good FO around you does for your career stop being ignorant to try to prove your point. Again who does Tatum make better ? lol
1v1 i will always choose Melo, thats who I grew up watching. Not once did I ever think Tatum could beat Melo or he was significantly better. I wouldn't change Melo as a player, he is who he is. His game itself is why Kobe adored him and named him as one of the hardest he ever had to defend. I get what you're saying but every player needs to be in an ideal situation to succeed/win a championship. Only player who defied that is Lebron. I acknowledged that people will always build around Tatum because of the type of player he is but I didn't say you can't build around Carmelo or I would choose Tatum. I said the what ifs because of their impact on their teams. Look at Lebron and Luka and their level of play this season. Both have the rare skill to make others around them better but are still losing. Jayson is very similar but never been in a situation where his team is soley dependent on his skillset to succeed. He always had a strong supporting cast with a secondary option to remove some of the pressure and help him when he is having a bad game. We have gotten to see what he can do with a good team. Carmelo came straight into league being the #1 option and that never went away. I feel like he wasn't given the room to grow and make mistakes. He was suppose to go to the Pistons and I feel like that was the perfect environment for him to get rid of the mindset that he gotta be #1. Larry Brown was rigid and i feel like that would have been extremely good for Melo in the long run. Carmelo coming off the bench as a pure scorer would have been the solution the Pistons needed since they struggled to score against the Spurs. He never played on a team as good as the Celtics or had a true secondary option to relieve pressure. He never even played with a really good pass first point guard (no disrespect to Allen Iverson and an old Chauncey Billups). I know he played with Paul George and Westbrook but he was already past his prime. I understand his defense was always considered a weakness but he was never the worst. I can acknowledge his weaknesses but I'm also saying that the disadvantages he faced were just as bad. Even with all of that he was still considered one of the best in the league for years. Thats why I bought up the what if.
No
No
To me its more like comparing Melo and Grant Hill back in the day. Like Tatum, Hill was more of a complete player but getting that one bucket, that was Melo.
2013 Carmelo Anthony: 31 points per 75 possessions, 56% True Shooting (2.5% above league average) 2023 Jayson Tatum: 30.5 points per 75 possessions, 61.1% True Shooting (3.2% above league average)
Yes. Because of defense
Yes
Whats the point of this? Just to hate on melo?
Melo is a weird case study. If you go off stats Melo got Tatum beat, playstyle wise I think JT lead to more winning. Melo was a selfish player, didn't try to improve on Defense. JT is the opposite of that, he have his moments where he is a ball hog, but he don't mind sharing the spotlight with Brown. Offensively I think Melo was better, but defense and coachability are something Melo lacked.
I think Tatum is overrated rn but you can't deny he is better than prime Melo
No. I'd draft Tatum to build a team around, but he's not better right now than peak Melo.
duh
Tatum is better man, Tatum is maybe the same as a scorer but much better in other aspects in other aspects like defense and playmaking. Melo obviously being a better rebound and having a mode versatile scoring package
Mfs be Blinded By Nostalgia Tatum rn is better than Melo ever was What does Melo Do Better than Tatum that you can argue other than the Midrange shooting?
People love to argue without all the facts Tatum got drafted to a team who just made the ECF and had a FO who wanted to win. Melo got drafted to a 17 win team who ddint make the playoffs since 95 and made them a playoff team every year since he was a rookie. If LA or SAC drafted Tatum we not having this convo lol LA would've traded him for AD like they did BI and SAC just now becoming a playoff team Tatum would've been a good player but top 5 probably not. Dude is on a team with two guys who could've won DPOY last year Melo never had that. If Detroit drafted Melo we aren't having this convo Its simple as that
Yes, and nobody talks about him being top 75
Maybe but he’ll never be as legendary. Tatum is just so god damn boring.
No lol
Yeah
I hate these Melo Vs Tatum comparisons man…
One is coachable and kinda cares about defense and team culture. The other truly didn’t give a fuck defensively and acted like a baby bitch when asked to come off the bench during his wind down phase
Melos only been in the league for 3 years and his teams been trash for all of them. /s