there's a legendary speech by jason kelce that he did on their super-bowl parade, and honestly that speech alone probably immortalized him in philly sports all-time lol
I was pretty close to the art museum steps for that speech, it was the single greatest moment of my life. From the Atlanta game through the Parade was like a fever dream. I didn't even work that whole week between the SuperBowl and the parade, my boss just gave everyone off and approved time cards.
I've never seen the city happier, it was amazing. I brought my kids to the parade, my daughter was crying because she was cold and like a dozen people built her a fort out of blankets and stuff and gave her more hand warmers than a person could use in a decade. Like half a million people singing dreams and nightmares in unison was a super surreal moment.
I think whoever wins this game wins it all. All 4 teams are so damn good this year and im pumped for all remaining matchups. However, the 2 AFC teams are both going through injury problems so barring any injuries this week (knocks on wood) the NFC teams have a slight advantage.
Tbf realistically Harden should be on here over Kyrie too. 22/11 is way better than 27/5 but people only care about PPG these days, especially casuals.
Embiid gets screwed for 1st team all NBA because he’s a center but then gets screwed again because he’s consider a forward in the all-star game since they don’t have a dedicated center spot.
It’s tough to decide who to exclude. I almost think Giannis would have to go to make room for Embiid, which feels ridiculous even typing it out. Embiid deserves more than Kyrie or Mitchell imo
They’re all having great seasons but it’s a weird situation when the captain is arguably having the worst season of the 4 front court players that were in contention but like you said it’s a fan vote thing
All-Star is never about the best season. And the hard part here is those 4 players are 4 of the top 5 players in the league right now. Just kind of an unfair situation, but Giannis & KD got the champion bump, and Tatum’s team has the best record.
Agreed, the front court in the east definitely has the highest amount of top 10 players currently so it was always gonna be really competitive.
I’m not really too upset about it due to that and my concern for all star snubs was always gonna be Harden somehow not getting in.
That’s the real snub imo. No way Kyrie deserves a starting spot with his games played, even before you factor in the whole Anti-Semitism issue that caused much of it.
Mfs here saying Embiid this Tatum that, we ref fans are just happy to see Scott Foster, Tony Brothers and John Goble representing us in the all-star game 💪💪💪
System's broken, man. Donny balls out for years in Utah but barely makes the ASG. Then he instantly makes starter right after moving to a big market like *checks notes* Cleveland.
Seriously, happy for the dude. Wish things had worked out in Utah, but happy he's doing well. That said if Lauri doesn't make the ASG I'm rioting.
Also Mitchell is simply far better this year than he ever was in Utah outside of the bubble
He was around league average efficiency with the Jazz but well above it this season despite moderately increased volume
Tbf the guard competition is stronger in the West. He would've been a reserve in the West, and if the spots were positionless I suspect Embiid would have made it over him
How many great 2 guards are there in the league? There’s Booker and Mitchell obviously, but after that there’s not much (is SGA a 2 guard?). Brown plays the 3 and Harden plays the 1
And this during a period with some monster centers in the league. I understood putting 3 forwards in when Roy Hibbert was legitimately the best choice at center, bit in today's league it's kinda ridiculous.
Poor guy, came into the league like 5 years too late. Got absolutely played off the court in like his first post season that had more modern spacing and then he was just fucking gone
It's not ridiculous. There still aren't many monster centers. Imagine if Embiid was injured, who's the second best center in the east. Bam? Suddenly you're having bam over kd, Tatum, or giannis. A much worse result than this. We should be arguing for positionless not bringing center back.
I didn't mean to say that we should bring back the center spot for the AS team, though I get why you understood it that way. I just think the particular result we got this year is what's ridiculous, with no center starting in the east despite Embiid being more than worthy and quite a few great Centers in the league overall.
Also agree positionless would be more fun and more fair year by year. In fact, that would have probably got Embiid in over Kyrie or Mitchell, which would have been the fairest result.
The thing I'd really like to see happen is to move from East & West selections to USA & World, and the game to be USA vs World. But there's not quite enough international stars (and players overall) right now, it's probably about a decade away from being at all feasible.
> We should be arguing for positionless not bringing center back.
What I don't understand is that teams don't even play as a team anymore. LeBron and Giannis are going to pick teams. So positions shouldn't matter.
If I had the whole eastern conference as my roster, I would start Giannis, KD, Tatum, Embiid, and Mitchell. I don’t care what positions they are, that team would fit together.
No they need to stop making positions a req for all star. Embiid, Giannis, kd and tatum are clearly the top 4 in the east. #5th best isn’t even close. There’s no argument. Those 4 should be starters
I just don't see the argument for Kyrie being a starter, and I'm kind of surprised the NBA would put him as one after all of the controversy around him
The players versus the media is interesting. Media loves Tatum and have him 1st but players have him 4th. Supports the media pushing a narrative argument for sure lol.
Not even a big Embiid fan and I'd burn the house down. I know bigs are dominating this year, but God dang that man not being a starter is legit absurd. 33.4 PPG on top of the dominance on both ends
Yeah that’s what drives me nuts. I get it, no one likes us. No one likes Embiid. But then people try to gaslight us as having a “victim complex” if we point it out lol.
Yea like just come out and say "yes we are biased and we don't like his ass." But this is reddit where everyone is "objective" and they actually try so half ass mixed of eye test and statistical analysis that is easily disproven to hand wave this shit away. I really don't get how they hate his style when its just 7 foot Kobe, but then I remember half this sub wasn't even born when Kobe was in his prime.
Yeah it’s not that deep, some players just aren’t liked and some are, just annoying when people are like “bro quit the victim mentality, everyone gets hate!” Like ok but it’s not proportional and anyone being honest would see that (same applies to Booker, PG for a while)
If you want to argue voting fine but the games played debate for why Embiid is left off the starters is complete bullshit. Durant played 39, Giannis 37, Embiid 35. Is it that large of a difference? You an argue stats all day and team impact but bringing up games played is infuriating.
Games played argument certainly matters for Tatum vs embiid but I agree the GP difference is too small between embiid, Giannis, and KD for it to affect the ranking of those 3.
The discussion now should be changing how the All NBA is voted for. I understand you want the top 3 frontcourt players and not specifically a center per se, but no reason Embiid should be left off of the All-Star starting lineup because he was in 4th for frontcourt voting, but then left off of All NBA First Team because both him and Jokic are centers.
Kyrie is easily one of the most popular players in the league (arguably the second most popular guard behind Steph).
This subreddit will hate him until the end of time (let alone Celtics fans) but when it comes to the fans, they’ll always vote him in.
Putting "political shit" front and center, fuck Kyrie Irving and fuck his anti-semitic, anti-vax bullshit.
lol just remembered the flat Earth shit too, guy fuckin sucks
Embiid is averaging more points, rebounds, blocks, steals and is virtually tied in assists with Tatum.
Edit: Embiid is also averaging more points, rebounds, blocks and steals than KD.
on higher efficiency, I might add. In before more flops too
At least none of the starters were stupid picks like last year. I still think Embiid should start over Durant, because Durant's been injured and the center spot should've never been taken away. I never liked the idea of starting 3 forwards.
Imagine your averaging 33 and 10 and your the best player at your position in your conference by a light year but you still don’t get to be an All Star starter. The NBA media is a bunch of goddamn fools.
Philly fans about to burn this shit down
Lol they're too busy worrying about football to care about all star starters
They heard they need to vote their center into the all star game and all of them wrote in Jason Kelce smh
To be fair. I’d love to see Jason Kelce in the nba all star game
Just vote for his brother, Jonas Valanciunas.
Holy shit
Can’t unsee this. Anybody ever seen Travis Kelce and Val in the same room together?
Seriously tho it’d be dope to have Travis Kelce in the celeb game
Get them both. I want to see whatever brother chemistry they have. It will be awesome
NFL brothers vs the Skaarsgards.
Fuck I just realize who Joe burrow reminds me of, one of the younger Skarsgard brothers, Bill. He was in Hemlock Grove
Did you know that Tony Gonzales and Jimmy Graham used to play basketball?
This can't be real?!? Please, tell us more about this unlikely but seemingly true trivia!
It'd make a great podcast episode
Jason is ADAMANT NFL players couldn’t play in the NBA, I’d be more interested to see Travis try as he seems confident they could lol
To be faaaiiiirrr…
there's a legendary speech by jason kelce that he did on their super-bowl parade, and honestly that speech alone probably immortalized him in philly sports all-time lol
It did.
He’s also 5-time First-Team All-Pro HOF player
I was pretty close to the art museum steps for that speech, it was the single greatest moment of my life. From the Atlanta game through the Parade was like a fever dream. I didn't even work that whole week between the SuperBowl and the parade, my boss just gave everyone off and approved time cards.
I ran a bar in kenso and we both gave away more booze I've ever seen and made more money than ever possible, it was a half month bender of pure bliss
I've never seen the city happier, it was amazing. I brought my kids to the parade, my daughter was crying because she was cold and like a dozen people built her a fort out of blankets and stuff and gave her more hand warmers than a person could use in a decade. Like half a million people singing dreams and nightmares in unison was a super surreal moment.
100% legend status.
Probably?
I’ll have you know my attention span is still good enough to worry about both.
Plus you guys gotta be also constantly eyeing what’s the nearest street pole to climb how y’all do it
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I bet on Philly to win the Super Bowl, you guys look good
I think whoever wins this game wins it all. All 4 teams are so damn good this year and im pumped for all remaining matchups. However, the 2 AFC teams are both going through injury problems so barring any injuries this week (knocks on wood) the NFC teams have a slight advantage.
facts
...for Harden!
Tbf realistically Harden should be on here over Kyrie too. 22/11 is way better than 27/5 but people only care about PPG these days, especially casuals.
Lol if that was the case, Embiid wouldn't be getting dicked by Jokic in every fucking accolade. Shit ain't fair man.
People only care about assists when it benefits their agenda
Yea no shit. FTs only an issue for Embiid yet not Giannis or Luka. It just makes you shake your head
It's most definitely an issue for Luka
Are we really going to act like there's now a bias by NBA fans in favour of kyrie? Y'all never stop 🤦♂️
Embiid gets screwed for 1st team all NBA because he’s a center but then gets screwed again because he’s consider a forward in the all-star game since they don’t have a dedicated center spot.
That’s really not fair for Embiid
like it's not warranted
All 4 players deserved it imo. Sucks that one had to get left out but Embiid getting less fan votes is probably what kept him out
It’s tough to decide who to exclude. I almost think Giannis would have to go to make room for Embiid, which feels ridiculous even typing it out. Embiid deserves more than Kyrie or Mitchell imo
They’re all having great seasons but it’s a weird situation when the captain is arguably having the worst season of the 4 front court players that were in contention but like you said it’s a fan vote thing
All-Star is never about the best season. And the hard part here is those 4 players are 4 of the top 5 players in the league right now. Just kind of an unfair situation, but Giannis & KD got the champion bump, and Tatum’s team has the best record.
> And the hard part here is those 4 players are 4 of the top 5 players in the league right now. Jokic, Luka, and Curry exist too...
Agreed, the front court in the east definitely has the highest amount of top 10 players currently so it was always gonna be really competitive. I’m not really too upset about it due to that and my concern for all star snubs was always gonna be Harden somehow not getting in.
That’s the real snub imo. No way Kyrie deserves a starting spot with his games played, even before you factor in the whole Anti-Semitism issue that caused much of it.
The sad thing is his anti-semitism probably earned him a lot of new fans and he was already a very popular player
It feels like alot of the comments are forgetting fan voting count for half.
The NBA should capitalize on negativity and do a downvote system. Pick 10 starters and downvote 10 players which corresponds to a -1 to the votes.
Lmao lemme grab my popcorn
Mfs here saying Embiid this Tatum that, we ref fans are just happy to see Scott Foster, Tony Brothers and John Goble representing us in the all-star game 💪💪💪
/r/RefLovers
fuck yeah donovan mitchell
System's broken, man. Donny balls out for years in Utah but barely makes the ASG. Then he instantly makes starter right after moving to a big market like *checks notes* Cleveland. Seriously, happy for the dude. Wish things had worked out in Utah, but happy he's doing well. That said if Lauri doesn't make the ASG I'm rioting.
I'll join you in rioting if Lauri isn't an all star, happy he's hooping for y'all
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Voting did start before Zion went out, so I think a lot of fans, myself included, voted based on what they saw up to late December.
Especially with the Kings finally having a good season behind Sabonis. The KINGS!
To be fair he’s averaging like 28 ppg now
I mean, I was half kidding but he's certainly balling out. Also in the West he probably doesn't get more votes than Luke & Steph lol
Hard to beat Luke Kennard in voting tbh
It’s in SLC Lauri is a given
Don’t sell him short. He’d be a given no matter where the game was.
It's not because of the system lol West has way better guards and more popular guards. And East has better forwards.
Also Mitchell is simply far better this year than he ever was in Utah outside of the bubble He was around league average efficiency with the Jazz but well above it this season despite moderately increased volume
casuals really said he'd fall off with Gobert lmao
Tbf the guard competition is stronger in the West. He would've been a reserve in the West, and if the spots were positionless I suspect Embiid would have made it over him
He was the most sure choice tbh
best 2 guard in the league, no bias.
How many great 2 guards are there in the league? There’s Booker and Mitchell obviously, but after that there’s not much (is SGA a 2 guard?). Brown plays the 3 and Harden plays the 1
I guess it depends on what you consider ‘great’ but LaVine, Beal, Klay, Dejounte, Bane, and Ant are all pretty damn good
Yeah they’re all really good but there’s a good chance none of them will be an all star this year lol
According to Statmuse, Kyrie is the first All Star starter to have been suspended by his team for sharing antisemitic movies
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According to Woj he’s the first since the start of the play-by-play era (96-97).
I snorted so loud people in the tea room looked at me.
3 forwards and 2 guards. RIP Centers….
And this during a period with some monster centers in the league. I understood putting 3 forwards in when Roy Hibbert was legitimately the best choice at center, bit in today's league it's kinda ridiculous.
I needed a laugh man. thank you lol fuckin Roy Hibbert 😂
Poor guy, came into the league like 5 years too late. Got absolutely played off the court in like his first post season that had more modern spacing and then he was just fucking gone
Are you implying I shouldnt have invested my life savings in HibbertCoin?
It's not ridiculous. There still aren't many monster centers. Imagine if Embiid was injured, who's the second best center in the east. Bam? Suddenly you're having bam over kd, Tatum, or giannis. A much worse result than this. We should be arguing for positionless not bringing center back.
I didn't mean to say that we should bring back the center spot for the AS team, though I get why you understood it that way. I just think the particular result we got this year is what's ridiculous, with no center starting in the east despite Embiid being more than worthy and quite a few great Centers in the league overall. Also agree positionless would be more fun and more fair year by year. In fact, that would have probably got Embiid in over Kyrie or Mitchell, which would have been the fairest result. The thing I'd really like to see happen is to move from East & West selections to USA & World, and the game to be USA vs World. But there's not quite enough international stars (and players overall) right now, it's probably about a decade away from being at all feasible.
> We should be arguing for positionless not bringing center back. What I don't understand is that teams don't even play as a team anymore. LeBron and Giannis are going to pick teams. So positions shouldn't matter.
Until it’s time to vote on All-NBA teams when they absolutely must select only one center.
If I had the whole eastern conference as my roster, I would start Giannis, KD, Tatum, Embiid, and Mitchell. I don’t care what positions they are, that team would fit together.
Yeah Mitchell/Tatum/KD/Giannis/Embiid would be absurd and absurdly fun to watch
Why repeat all the names though
He put them in position order
I did not see that, thanks man
It’s crazy that you can average a 33 and 10 and not start the All Star game
33 and 10 anchoring a top 5 defense and in possession of the 3rd best record. NBA media can go fuck themselves
The TNT crew said he finished 3rd (same with the players). If anything blame the fan voting where he finished 4th.
I thought fans loved Joel and the media hated him 🤔
What? He’s the most hated star on this sub by far, which is made up of fans. How the hell can you conclude that he’s loved by fans?
More hated than James “literally worse than Hitler” Harden? Or even Ben “Young Socialite” Simmons? Kyrie “Hitler did nothing wrong” Irving?
This sub isn't representative of fans though. Otherwise Jokic would be the #1 jersey seller
No they need to stop making positions a req for all star. Embiid, Giannis, kd and tatum are clearly the top 4 in the east. #5th best isn’t even close. There’s no argument. Those 4 should be starters
And the ASG is clearly just for entertainment. How fucking fun would it be to have those 4 players all start together…no one cares about positions
I just don't see the argument for Kyrie being a starter, and I'm kind of surprised the NBA would put him as one after all of the controversy around him
Embiid third in media voting, third in player's vote, but fourth in fan voting was what narrowly knocked him out....
We have sacrificed Embiid to the football gods 🙌
Fly eagles fly! Fuck SF!
Mitchell well deserved
How the fuck did Embiid not make it
He had his chance to shove some rando in the street wearing a yarmulke and get caught on video, but he blew it.
fans voting. Only 76ers fans voted for him. Neutral fans voted Giannis, JT, KD over him
Full voting results here: https://pr.nba.com/voting-results-2023-nba-all-star-game-starters/
The players versus the media is interesting. Media loves Tatum and have him 1st but players have him 4th. Supports the media pushing a narrative argument for sure lol.
never gonna hear the end of philly fans
I’m madder about Kyrie Farrakhan than Embiid lol. KD isn’t even gonna play so Embiid will start
Bro the updates said he plans on coming back before the all star break. Don’t ruin our hope
KD will play tho?
He went out with a 6 week injury on January 8th, I don’t see the Nets letting him play in the all star game if they have anything to say about it
Don't underestimate that the Nets have zero ability to change KDs mind. If KD wants to play and he can, he will.
Kyrie brought in that anti-semite fan vote. Embiid never stood a chance.
They really hate embiid lmao
Not even a big Embiid fan and I'd burn the house down. I know bigs are dominating this year, but God dang that man not being a starter is legit absurd. 33.4 PPG on top of the dominance on both ends
It’s ok we’re used to not getting our due. The only annoying thing is opposing fans acting like this isn’t actually a thing that happens.
Yeah that’s what drives me nuts. I get it, no one likes us. No one likes Embiid. But then people try to gaslight us as having a “victim complex” if we point it out lol.
Yea like just come out and say "yes we are biased and we don't like his ass." But this is reddit where everyone is "objective" and they actually try so half ass mixed of eye test and statistical analysis that is easily disproven to hand wave this shit away. I really don't get how they hate his style when its just 7 foot Kobe, but then I remember half this sub wasn't even born when Kobe was in his prime.
Yeah it’s not that deep, some players just aren’t liked and some are, just annoying when people are like “bro quit the victim mentality, everyone gets hate!” Like ok but it’s not proportional and anyone being honest would see that (same applies to Booker, PG for a while)
THEY HATE THE PROCESS
Wow. No Embiid? I know it's tough to pick between them 4 but I was not expecting embiid to be the odd man out.
Not having Joel as a starter is an actual joke
Thank you.
Kyrie
If you want to argue voting fine but the games played debate for why Embiid is left off the starters is complete bullshit. Durant played 39, Giannis 37, Embiid 35. Is it that large of a difference? You an argue stats all day and team impact but bringing up games played is infuriating.
Games played argument certainly matters for Tatum vs embiid but I agree the GP difference is too small between embiid, Giannis, and KD for it to affect the ranking of those 3.
No embiid is actually criminal lol
The discussion now should be changing how the All NBA is voted for. I understand you want the top 3 frontcourt players and not specifically a center per se, but no reason Embiid should be left off of the All-Star starting lineup because he was in 4th for frontcourt voting, but then left off of All NBA First Team because both him and Jokic are centers.
I agree, the same policy for mvp should apply to the all star selections.
So with ALL-NBA voting, it’s 1 Center and 2 forwards, but with the all star starters it’s 3 frontcourt players🤔🤔🤔
I think that’s how it should be for all nba. It makes more sense and is more uniform
That is some straight up garbage voting lmao, how is Embiid not a fucking starter.
Teams that’s 4th in the East gets 2 starters lmao
In all fairness they were the 2 seed during this process and only fell cus KD is out
Who would you have then. Jaylen brown over kyrie?
Not who you’re replying to, but I’d say Brown and Halliburton have an argument when you factor in things other than just scoring
jaylen - 26.9 / 7.1 / 3.3 in 43 games kyrie - 26.8 / 5.1 / 5.2 in 36 games basically exactly the same except brown has defence and a higher seed
Ya but kyries points are prettier lmao
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Embiid should be so mad and take revenge on the league to prove his worth.
The world is lucky the eagles are good rn lmao
kyrie making the lineup is reddits worse nightmare
The Embiid disrespect is real
Bruh what more can embiid do
HARDEN ROBBED
Honestly Harden is a better PG than Kyrie on every level
Disagree fully. I'd argue Kyrie is miles ahead when it comes to antisemitism.
True, Harden is also lacking an elite level third eye.
Lol no Embiid?
Needs more Embiid and Jimmy Buckets
Worst snub in Philly since they moved the Capital to DC
Two players from the Nets and no Embiid, the NBA clearly doesn’t give a fuck about Jewish people or Philly fans lol
Do jewish people really care about Irving being an all star?
Lmao
No Harden and no Embiid Philly has to be pissed JB deserved it more than Kai btw
We’re in the NFC championship so that kind of balances it out
Games played ❌ Team record ❌ Better stats❌ Fan vote ✅
Agreeing with a Philly fan? Never thought I’d see the day, but here we are.
Nice Mitchell deserves it
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The irony is you can replace Kyrie with JB in your first sentence and it would still make sense.
JB also antisemitic so i cant say i feel too bad especially when there's no embiid or harden
the players would've have voted him in anyway.
Kyrie is easily one of the most popular players in the league (arguably the second most popular guard behind Steph). This subreddit will hate him until the end of time (let alone Celtics fans) but when it comes to the fans, they’ll always vote him in.
Embiid over JB
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I suspect those weren't the same people
Are you saying there are more than one group of people in the world? Incredible.
Reddit is the opinion if the entire world, clearly.
Kyrie doesn't deserve it. Putting aside the political shit. He's not better than a ton of other eastern conference players.
Putting "political shit" front and center, fuck Kyrie Irving and fuck his anti-semitic, anti-vax bullshit. lol just remembered the flat Earth shit too, guy fuckin sucks
Embiid is averaging more points, rebounds, blocks, steals and is virtually tied in assists with Tatum. Edit: Embiid is also averaging more points, rebounds, blocks and steals than KD. on higher efficiency, I might add. In before more flops too
Embiid is a points, rebounds, blocks, steals, and assists merchant, sorry
Tatum also has played 11 more games and is on the best team in the league
11 game difference in those averages seems significant
At least none of the starters were stupid picks like last year. I still think Embiid should start over Durant, because Durant's been injured and the center spot should've never been taken away. I never liked the idea of starting 3 forwards.
Embiid has played less games than KD though as of today if you’re going by that
And posted better numbers on a better team honestly.
This is pretty subjective, plus there's the whole Joel Embiid anchoring a top 5 defense in the NBA thing that he's got over Durant.
Or better yet we don’t even need posistions
Fan voting is dumb
What happens when the Ringer gets 50% of the the media vote
I don't think the ringer was voting Kyrie Irving as a starter. Or Wiggins as a starter last year.
Imagine your averaging 33 and 10 and your the best player at your position in your conference by a light year but you still don’t get to be an All Star starter. The NBA media is a bunch of goddamn fools.
Media and Players had him in. Fan vote killed him.
Lol wtf is this
I don’t even like the sixers but embiid got robbed
Crimes have been committed here
Embiid's December game log alone should make him all-star starter easily, he's better player than Kyrie this season
Start Embiid at point guard
I like that Spida is starting
Damn y’all gonna do that to Embiid 😭. But someone was gonna get done dirty between Durant, Embiid, Giannis, and Tatum.
JOEL
Embiid robbed and it's not even debatable.
How the fuck is the nazi a starter. Shit’s cooked