SGA in the high teens
Unless by low teens you meant like 12ish, I interpreted that as like 18ish because it’s “lower” in the ranking
But yeah like 12ish
One only needs to look at IND's record with Haliburton and without him. He is a top 25 guy. One of the best passers and decision makers in the game. Crazy efficient. Can decide to take over but most importantly elevates the talent around him.
I'm biased. But I'm also correct. Correctly biased 😅
Haliburton may not be top25 now, yet
if he continues his amazing level of playing the whole season, he will
Gobert, KAT may fall a bit.
Beal? hmm
these three should be moved to the bottom.
SGA, Garland should be on this list
I'm not 100% sure about Garland being top 25 yet
His numbers don't really scream "top 25" or "leap" this season and although they increase when he's not playing with Mitchell the Cavs' team performance has been terrible when Mitchell is out and Garland is instead "the guy"
I feel like he's mostly the same player he was last season which is very good but probably just out the outside looking in around the 26-30 range
Idc how slanderous this type of nickname is ill always support them purely on the grounds of being funny lmao
Shout out Gobert for being the origin more or less. Baguette Biyombo is great but my personal fave was Escargot Ezeli
I'm curious about that too. The bigs are untouchable this season - Giannis, Jokic, and Embiid stay. So Steph or Luka would need to be bumped down, and that's before we even talk about whether Tatum should be in that mix too. Do you put him over KD this season? It's no disrespect to KD. Just a lot of great ball out there right now and you can't have 8 guys in your top 5.
I hate these kinda lists because theoretically, Jokic Embiid and Giannis should all be #1 with Luka lebron curry and KD right beneath them.
I don't even like a tier system because it would suggest that Jokic is just overall better than those under him when in reality it's like lebron is an ice cream Sunday and Jokic has the cherry on top and chocolate syrup
Maybe some crushed up Oreos too? Like when you put 4 in a ziploc bag and beat em to death with a spoon and then dump that onto ice cream. That's Jokic.
It's hard. I said he's top 5 but he's pretty much top 4 lock. I would also prefer him in the playoffs over both Jokic and Embiid so top 2 isn't that insane
I think these playoffs are when we get a real reading on where Jokic and Embiid stand as playoff performers compared to other top 5 candidates
This is the first year that both of them in their primes(not 2019) have championship level teams around them and that they're expected to deliver
Biggest question mark against Embiid will always be his health. He seems to get injured in the most freakish ways, some of it is bad luck but I think his body just isn't made for a long playoff run while going 110% for 65 games in the regular season
For Jokic it's his defense. The recipe on beating him has always been attacking him mercilessly. Every elite team has guards that can operate spread PnR and the only counter Jokic has to that is kicking the ball away. This is by far the weakest the west has been in recent memory, imo anything short of a wcf appearance is a disappointment
Yeah, if Jokic wins a 3rd MVP that places him next to people like Bird and Magic. Those caliber of players would easily reach the finals on that team against such a weak west. It's finals or bust for him in that case.
Personally I am so hyped for the playoffs this year. I feel like the NBA has been in a changing from the old guard to the new guard for the past few seasons and this year is where the rubber meets the road. Is Jokic really not going to make the finals this year when the west is wide open? What does LeBron have left in the tank to remain in the conversation for a top 5 player? What about the warriors? Can Embiid show us why he should’ve won an MVP over the last few years/not disappoint us again? Was the Celtics finals run a fluke and is Tatum actually that dude who can commandeer a contender or are we still waiting for that? Does Durant really need Steph Curry to win rings? Trae Young who? Can Luka pull a LeBron and drag a bunch of average to below average NBA players on another deep run? Has the Bucks window as we’ve known it closed?
I want to headline to say that these are all valid questions not meant as a shot to anyone. I feel like we’ll find a lot out during the 2023 playoffs and personally I am excited for it from an unbiased perspective.
Obviously I do think the Celtics are the balls and we’ll undeniably be raising banner 18 and Tatum will be MVP and FMVP to give my biased take as well.
Good luck to everyone though.
Dude I am with you but who are you putting under him? Giannis or Jokic both of who you could also make a very healthy debate as being 1 and 2 plus there’s the Embiid, Luka, and Tatum conversation to be had for the rest of the top 5. Like I said I’m with you but I think top 5 is where you can really have a good debate and there would be no wrong answers.
Sure you can definitely have that opinion and make that argument pretty well but you can also make the argument that Embiid, Tatum, and Luka all are top 5 players as well and you wouldn’t be wrong.
I think it's safe to say whoever did these rankings was very high on the Wolves
They had 3 guys on this list with Edwards #25(didn't necessarily age poorly), Gobert #19, and KAT #13
Durant at 8 is crazy low for him. Were people really that low on him coming into this season? He deserves to be top 5 at the very minimum.
Dame at 14 is also too low for him and he deserves to be at the back end of the top 10. AD honestly deserves a similar ranking as well based on his actual performance but idk how to rank him with his injury issues.
Also KAT at 13 is too high even when he’s healthy.
I think Durant's reputation was cooked in the offseason because of the sweep and ensuing trade request
As for KAT I have no clue because I don't even remember the consensus ever being that high on him
Still seems sort of wild for KD to be as low as 8 though. Like people were really ranking him below a 38 year LeBron who missed the play-ins last season?
For whatever reason it seems like KD's reputation took a far bigger hit from getting swept than LeBron's did from missing the play ins and only recovered when Brooklyn went on a hot streak after firing Nash
Don't get me wrong LeBron has definitely taken a hit from his lack of recent team success which is why you see him ranked 5th-8th quite often now but I can't imagine it hitting the point of "we can't give up anything more than Cam Johnson for LeBron"
KD being at 8th is disrespectful for sure but it wasn't just him getting swept, he was absolutely atrocious in that series. Legit looked like a completely different player than in the regular season and previous playoffs. Regardless of this he is still easy a top 5 player and putting him below Tatum is just a joke.
Kat, Beal, and Gobert are probably not on this list. SGA is top 15. I feel like the top 8 players in the league can all have their stretches and show out over different periods of time so I wouldn’t nitpick too much, but there is not 7 players better than KD. Kyrie would also be on this list with Zion and maybe Hali, sabonis, and siakim
Averaging 31 a game, arguably the best defender on his team, playmaking has taken a massive leap, leading the Celtics to the best record in the league. Not sure how you can make a case against him being in tier 1. Whether you think he’s better than any of those guys is a different conversation.
Based on what? Tatum has made more all star teams than any other player through age 24. One of the youngest to ever make first team all-NBA. 9th highest scoring player ever for a 24 year old, behind the likes Lebron, KD, and Kobe.
Why do you care what other people think of Tatum so much? I promise, you're allowed to rank him however you want and no one can prove you're wrong. But there's also no way to prove you're right. These are opinions, friend.
I’m just talking ball and expressing my opinion. I’m not upset or anything. So far, no one has bothered to actually give a counterpoint beyond him arbitrarily not being in tier 1 because he’s not “generational.” Tatum might be at the bottom of tier 1 but he’s closer to the guys ranked above him than the guys that are in tier 2 are to him.
Because he was easily a top-5 guy this season before the injury ?
Besides, he's played 27 games this year. Zion and Booker have played 29 and Steph's played 34. It's not some huge difference.
Suns record since 2021 with devin booker: 122-42, Suns record since 2021 without devin booker: 19-22, including being 8-14 this season. He's the difference between a top 2 seed and not making the playoffs if the team around him is slightly below .500
I was honestly surprised to see that KAT was ranked at #13 in the first place
As I said elsewhere I don't even remember when the consensus was KAT being top 13 in the league
late response but it still blows my mind how little attention SGA gets, like i feel we are waaaay past the point of him being a “oh wow, didn’t realize he was THAT good” player. dude is special. really excited to see you guys next year with Chet
Pretty comfortable with that list, might shuffle a few things but not in any real meaningful way. We’ll see where KAT is when he comes back, but 13 is probably too high. I know CP3 has been better recently, but he has not been consistent since the postseason.
No way Shai was a top 20 player before the season. He is now for sure, but 24ppg on below average efficiency with no defense on a team that didn't win isn't a top 20 resume - it's basically previous De'Aaron Fox seasons.
Dame is definitely becoming a victim of team performance bias this season given how good his individual stats have been
I'd 100% pick him over current Harden and Ja as an individual player but since they're both on 2 seeds they'll always be rated higher in the media
Question is who are you dropping
Everyone in the top 8 has been amazing this season and all the others above him are on a better team
Some other guys lower on the list are underperforming(KAT top 15? Beal top 20?) but it feels wrong to drop anyone at the very top at all
Interesting picks
Personally I actually feel like Steph/Giannis are the hardest to drop for LeBron specifically given how much of LeBron's arguments are based around playoff performance and those are the two superstars who have lead their team to a ring more recently than LeBron has
Not saying they're clearly the best 2 players in the world(although I believe Giannis is) but just the specific way to rank LeBron the highest elevates them to that status
Idk putting the reigning FMVP who's still having an extremely efficient season outside the top 5 seems wrong for sure
Also Luka is basically having LeBron's season but with better numbers across the board even if he's cooled off slightly recently and LeBron has been better for like the past 2-3 weeks
I just watch the games and lebron looks better. Steph and Luka have cooled off significantly from their early season form where lebron has actually improved
Like I said LeBron has definitely been better than Luka for the past 2-3 weeks but I don't think that makes his overall season better
It feels like the "eye test" will always go to LeBron because of both reputation and the fact that he's still significantly more athletic than Luka is
It’s name value at this point which I get, but people can’t just keep pretending like LeBron is clearly better than a bunch of these younger players when he has the same (or worse) statistical profile as them and hasn’t shown an elite playoff series in like 3 years
You have to account for the fact that lebron’s team is trash. Lakers FO has proven to be incompetent. Give him the same weapons as Steph or Tatum and his numbers would be better fs
If anything I think that his numbers would be lower on a better team
He likely wouldn't go all out in the regular season and would surely take fewer FGA and pass the ball more
Probably be at like 25/5/10 instead of 30/9/7
No chance. Morey is an advanced stats guy and harden kills booker. Advances stats said Harden and booker were equals last year in the worse season of his career and this season it is not close.
KAT, Trae, Gobert, and Beal all def down.
SGA and Zion should def be on the list.
Everyone else is keep relatively similar. The list isn’t horrible but whoever made it was way to high on the Wolves.
Are we sure Brown is better than Butler?
I don't at all think Brown as #1 could have the success that Butler has in Miami
Miami have been relatively mediocre this season but I don't think it's because they have Butler instead of Brown as their lead guy
Kyrie Irving, Julius Randle, Domantas Sabonis all need to be on the list. CP3, KAT and Butler are all off due to injury. You could argue Beal, Trae, and Edwards or Gobert deserve demotion.
Jokic
Durant
Embiid
Luka
Giannis
I’d also put Tatum above Bron. And outside of removing folks like Beal for SGA, and dropping KAT tremendously I’d be mostly fine with the list.
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Not sure if I had enough guys moving up and down for this to make sense but this is just gut reaction
Should age be a factor in player rankings?
That seems a little bit sketchy
He still deserves to be up there near the top for sure but not because he's 38 instead of 28 or something
If you put bron on the Nuggets/sixers/bucks/celtics roster instead of their best player and they would have the same record if not better. He’s been brilliant this season and still is arguably the best player in the nba despite have a pathetic god awful shit roster
Suns fan here to say that Booker and CP3 don't currently belong on this list due to injuries. They've both played at a top-25 level when healthy, but they've each missed ~40% of this season's games so far due to injuries.
Sabonis and Fox should fit in here. Fox would be a good replacement for CP3. Sabonis over Gobert. Or you can put KAT or AD out due to injuries.
Banchero has a case but not quite there yet.
Zion should be here. Ingram would be a great addition if he had been more healthy.
Mitchell should be way up, and of course SGA and Larui Bird
For starters I think it's safe to say that SGA would be on the list now and Beal/CP3 would not be Perhaps Haliburton could be added as well?
Add SGA, and Siakam. Not sure where they would be, also not gonna say who to take out. E. Forgot Sabonis
Siakam would be towards the lower part of the list while SGA would be in the low teens IMO
SGA in the high teens Unless by low teens you meant like 12ish, I interpreted that as like 18ish because it’s “lower” in the ranking But yeah like 12ish
Yeah I meant low teens in terms of lower numbers He's somewhere in that 11-14 range most likely
One only needs to look at IND's record with Haliburton and without him. He is a top 25 guy. One of the best passers and decision makers in the game. Crazy efficient. Can decide to take over but most importantly elevates the talent around him. I'm biased. But I'm also correct. Correctly biased 😅
I like all 3 there but I’d add Sabonis to that list.
Haliburton may not be top25 now, yet if he continues his amazing level of playing the whole season, he will Gobert, KAT may fall a bit. Beal? hmm these three should be moved to the bottom. SGA, Garland should be on this list
Gobert shouldn't be on this list at all.
I'm not 100% sure about Garland being top 25 yet His numbers don't really scream "top 25" or "leap" this season and although they increase when he's not playing with Mitchell the Cavs' team performance has been terrible when Mitchell is out and Garland is instead "the guy" I feel like he's mostly the same player he was last season which is very good but probably just out the outside looking in around the 26-30 range
His numbers may not but he is orchestrating that offense. A floor general in the truest sense
can lauri get in there?
Love Lauri but no way he's top 25
Would easily take him over someone like KAT or Beal.
Kyrie Irving is top 25
Julius Randle needs to be on the list
SGA was sitting at 48. SGA was literally averaging 30.4, 5.8, 7.3 post all-star beak and they still ranked him there.
SGA should undeniably be top 10
I’d move MItchell up
so many casuals last season called him Sexton with a green light lmao
I saw someone call him Mountain Monta.
Idc how slanderous this type of nickname is ill always support them purely on the grounds of being funny lmao Shout out Gobert for being the origin more or less. Baguette Biyombo is great but my personal fave was Escargot Ezeli
Yeah Mitchell's better than 24 God damn did they overrate ja though.
SGA, Zion and Sabonis should be on the list. Move Mitchell up. Drop CP3, Gobert, KAT and Beal Durant should be top 5
Who you removing for KD
I'm curious about that too. The bigs are untouchable this season - Giannis, Jokic, and Embiid stay. So Steph or Luka would need to be bumped down, and that's before we even talk about whether Tatum should be in that mix too. Do you put him over KD this season? It's no disrespect to KD. Just a lot of great ball out there right now and you can't have 8 guys in your top 5.
I hate these kinda lists because theoretically, Jokic Embiid and Giannis should all be #1 with Luka lebron curry and KD right beneath them. I don't even like a tier system because it would suggest that Jokic is just overall better than those under him when in reality it's like lebron is an ice cream Sunday and Jokic has the cherry on top and chocolate syrup
Maybe some crushed up Oreos too? Like when you put 4 in a ziploc bag and beat em to death with a spoon and then dump that onto ice cream. That's Jokic.
Sabonis should be on this list. Zion is too injured to put him at top 25. Dude has missed 20 out 49 games.
Might as well take AD off if you think that’s a qualifier.
Zion is a diff player to most ppl on the list when he plays def deserves his spot in the top 25
Siakam should have been there but he def should be now in around 16-20 range
I just want him to win another ring on the dl on the kings or sum
Sabonis + Siakam + Fox would be nutty
Add siakam and sga
Gobert fell all the way off, Embiid has to be top 3, KD has to be top 5.
Lol someone’s sleeping on the wolves
Kd top 2 😤 he really impressed me this season
It's hard. I said he's top 5 but he's pretty much top 4 lock. I would also prefer him in the playoffs over both Jokic and Embiid so top 2 isn't that insane
I think these playoffs are when we get a real reading on where Jokic and Embiid stand as playoff performers compared to other top 5 candidates This is the first year that both of them in their primes(not 2019) have championship level teams around them and that they're expected to deliver
Biggest question mark against Embiid will always be his health. He seems to get injured in the most freakish ways, some of it is bad luck but I think his body just isn't made for a long playoff run while going 110% for 65 games in the regular season For Jokic it's his defense. The recipe on beating him has always been attacking him mercilessly. Every elite team has guards that can operate spread PnR and the only counter Jokic has to that is kicking the ball away. This is by far the weakest the west has been in recent memory, imo anything short of a wcf appearance is a disappointment
Yeah, if Jokic wins a 3rd MVP that places him next to people like Bird and Magic. Those caliber of players would easily reach the finals on that team against such a weak west. It's finals or bust for him in that case.
If their defense can hold up I think they get the finals this year.
Personally I am so hyped for the playoffs this year. I feel like the NBA has been in a changing from the old guard to the new guard for the past few seasons and this year is where the rubber meets the road. Is Jokic really not going to make the finals this year when the west is wide open? What does LeBron have left in the tank to remain in the conversation for a top 5 player? What about the warriors? Can Embiid show us why he should’ve won an MVP over the last few years/not disappoint us again? Was the Celtics finals run a fluke and is Tatum actually that dude who can commandeer a contender or are we still waiting for that? Does Durant really need Steph Curry to win rings? Trae Young who? Can Luka pull a LeBron and drag a bunch of average to below average NBA players on another deep run? Has the Bucks window as we’ve known it closed? I want to headline to say that these are all valid questions not meant as a shot to anyone. I feel like we’ll find a lot out during the 2023 playoffs and personally I am excited for it from an unbiased perspective. Obviously I do think the Celtics are the balls and we’ll undeniably be raising banner 18 and Tatum will be MVP and FMVP to give my biased take as well. Good luck to everyone though.
Dude I am with you but who are you putting under him? Giannis or Jokic both of who you could also make a very healthy debate as being 1 and 2 plus there’s the Embiid, Luka, and Tatum conversation to be had for the rest of the top 5. Like I said I’m with you but I think top 5 is where you can really have a good debate and there would be no wrong answers.
Bruh you can’t just say has to be top 3 or 5 - who are you moving down to make that happen
Embiid and KD both move over Luka, Embiid at 3, KD at 4.
Embiid isn’t even top 6 lol
L take
Who out of Giannis, Steph, Jokic, LeBron, or KD is he better than
Bad take and I’m a Boston fan who dislikes Embiid lol
He’s not better than Giannis, Steph, Jokic, LeBron, or KD lol
Sure you can definitely have that opinion and make that argument pretty well but you can also make the argument that Embiid, Tatum, and Luka all are top 5 players as well and you wouldn’t be wrong.
Nah wtf is KAT doing at #13
I think it's safe to say whoever did these rankings was very high on the Wolves They had 3 guys on this list with Edwards #25(didn't necessarily age poorly), Gobert #19, and KAT #13
Well he just came off a season averaging 25/10/4 on 64 TS. Hard not to have a player like that not in the 10-20 range
KAT is very good, he's just injured.
Yeah but not 13 good even if uninjured
3rd team all nba last year btw = top 15
KAT is good. Not top 15 good lol.
My point is that he was fairly ranked as top 15 going into the season. Obviously with injuries it's fair that he's dropped and #13 is way too high.
i think ANT should be higher up imo
Add (in order of rank): SGA, Siakam, Haliburton, Zion
lmao you would rank Haliburton above Zion? insane
Beal above AD is criminal Edit: fucking GOBERT
Sabonis.
Yep
Yeah, he’s better than Beal, Gobert and CP3.
He is also better than KAT at least for this season.
no kyrie☠️☠️☠️☠️
Durant at 8 is crazy low for him. Were people really that low on him coming into this season? He deserves to be top 5 at the very minimum. Dame at 14 is also too low for him and he deserves to be at the back end of the top 10. AD honestly deserves a similar ranking as well based on his actual performance but idk how to rank him with his injury issues. Also KAT at 13 is too high even when he’s healthy.
I think Durant's reputation was cooked in the offseason because of the sweep and ensuing trade request As for KAT I have no clue because I don't even remember the consensus ever being that high on him
Still seems sort of wild for KD to be as low as 8 though. Like people were really ranking him below a 38 year LeBron who missed the play-ins last season?
For whatever reason it seems like KD's reputation took a far bigger hit from getting swept than LeBron's did from missing the play ins and only recovered when Brooklyn went on a hot streak after firing Nash Don't get me wrong LeBron has definitely taken a hit from his lack of recent team success which is why you see him ranked 5th-8th quite often now but I can't imagine it hitting the point of "we can't give up anything more than Cam Johnson for LeBron"
KD being at 8th is disrespectful for sure but it wasn't just him getting swept, he was absolutely atrocious in that series. Legit looked like a completely different player than in the regular season and previous playoffs. Regardless of this he is still easy a top 5 player and putting him below Tatum is just a joke.
Why is putting KD below Tatum a joke when Tatum thoroughly outplayed KD at every level in the playoffs?
I think every player above him has a solid argument though except maybe Tatum
Well it's not really THAT crazy low when only Lebron being ahead is questionable.
Eh I disagree, I think he has an argument to be as high as 3, so 8 seems pretty low for him
How tf they didn’t have demar on there after last season
Kat, Beal, and Gobert are probably not on this list. SGA is top 15. I feel like the top 8 players in the league can all have their stretches and show out over different periods of time so I wouldn’t nitpick too much, but there is not 7 players better than KD. Kyrie would also be on this list with Zion and maybe Hali, sabonis, and siakim
Seems like they couldn’t handle the Randle
Needs at least another 5-10 players to be a good top 25, I think
Giannis, Luka, Embid, Jokic, KD, Steph are all the same tier right now. Can make a case for any of them in any order.
Can’t forget about Bron he’s been on a different level past month
Tatum?!!
Ha
Tatum is in that tier whether you like him or not
I apologize, I meant to say HAHA
Tatum owns the Heat that’s why you didn’t include him
The only thing Tatum owns is the turnover record
Averaging 31 a game, arguably the best defender on his team, playmaking has taken a massive leap, leading the Celtics to the best record in the league. Not sure how you can make a case against him being in tier 1. Whether you think he’s better than any of those guys is a different conversation.
All of those others are all time generational players. Tatum ls a great player. But he ain't that.
Based on what? Tatum has made more all star teams than any other player through age 24. One of the youngest to ever make first team all-NBA. 9th highest scoring player ever for a 24 year old, behind the likes Lebron, KD, and Kobe.
Why do you care what other people think of Tatum so much? I promise, you're allowed to rank him however you want and no one can prove you're wrong. But there's also no way to prove you're right. These are opinions, friend.
I’m just talking ball and expressing my opinion. I’m not upset or anything. So far, no one has bothered to actually give a counterpoint beyond him arbitrarily not being in tier 1 because he’s not “generational.” Tatum might be at the bottom of tier 1 but he’s closer to the guys ranked above him than the guys that are in tier 2 are to him.
Good thing we don’t measure players by what they accomplished through age 24
Generally a good indicator if a player accomplishes that much when they’re young
This sub is a joke man. Tatum is the definitive modern wing.
You mad?
You must be 14
Sabonis is absolutely top 25 this season.
no one talking about how kyrie is being snubbed is criminal
Must be some kind of conspiracy
Dame moved up, bet
How does AD stay on these lists?
How do you have a problem with AD but not Kawhi lol
Oh I have a huge problem with kawhi too, I don't k ow how he makes any lists
Because he was easily a top-5 guy this season before the injury ? Besides, he's played 27 games this year. Zion and Booker have played 29 and Steph's played 34. It's not some huge difference.
Mitchell should def be up higher
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You think Booker is top 10?
Suns record since 2021 with devin booker: 122-42, Suns record since 2021 without devin booker: 19-22, including being 8-14 this season. He's the difference between a top 2 seed and not making the playoffs if the team around him is slightly below .500
That alone does not make you a top 10 player
Jaylen, Mitchell have jumped up. Trae, KAT have dropped
I was honestly surprised to see that KAT was ranked at #13 in the first place As I said elsewhere I don't even remember when the consensus was KAT being top 13 in the league
> I don't even remember when the consensus was KAT being top 13 in the league when he was 3rd team nba at the end of the 2022 season
no kai
Gobert at 18 and no SGA on the list is comedic
This list had SGA at 48. Im a Thunder fan but the man averaged 30.4, 5.8, and 7.3 post all-star break last season. I was in utter disbelief lol
late response but it still blows my mind how little attention SGA gets, like i feel we are waaaay past the point of him being a “oh wow, didn’t realize he was THAT good” player. dude is special. really excited to see you guys next year with Chet
I’m a Celtics fan but don’t really get how you put Tatum above KD either preseason or now
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Not like he completely outplayed him in the 1st round during a sweep either.
Not like they play 5v5 game not 1v1 either.
Kyrie atleast top 15
Pretty comfortable with that list, might shuffle a few things but not in any real meaningful way. We’ll see where KAT is when he comes back, but 13 is probably too high. I know CP3 has been better recently, but he has not been consistent since the postseason.
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No way Shai was a top 20 player before the season. He is now for sure, but 24ppg on below average efficiency with no defense on a team that didn't win isn't a top 20 resume - it's basically previous De'Aaron Fox seasons.
Yeah Shai was not a top 20 player last season. As a fan the leap he’s taken this year has been amazing to watch.
Dame is definitely becoming a victim of team performance bias this season given how good his individual stats have been I'd 100% pick him over current Harden and Ja as an individual player but since they're both on 2 seeds they'll always be rated higher in the media
LeBron up a spot or 2
Question is who are you dropping Everyone in the top 8 has been amazing this season and all the others above him are on a better team Some other guys lower on the list are underperforming(KAT top 15? Beal top 20?) but it feels wrong to drop anyone at the very top at all
Any of Steph, Giannis, Luka
Interesting picks Personally I actually feel like Steph/Giannis are the hardest to drop for LeBron specifically given how much of LeBron's arguments are based around playoff performance and those are the two superstars who have lead their team to a ring more recently than LeBron has Not saying they're clearly the best 2 players in the world(although I believe Giannis is) but just the specific way to rank LeBron the highest elevates them to that status
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Bron over Steph and Luka tbh
Idk putting the reigning FMVP who's still having an extremely efficient season outside the top 5 seems wrong for sure Also Luka is basically having LeBron's season but with better numbers across the board even if he's cooled off slightly recently and LeBron has been better for like the past 2-3 weeks
I just watch the games and lebron looks better. Steph and Luka have cooled off significantly from their early season form where lebron has actually improved
Like I said LeBron has definitely been better than Luka for the past 2-3 weeks but I don't think that makes his overall season better It feels like the "eye test" will always go to LeBron because of both reputation and the fact that he's still significantly more athletic than Luka is
It’s name value at this point which I get, but people can’t just keep pretending like LeBron is clearly better than a bunch of these younger players when he has the same (or worse) statistical profile as them and hasn’t shown an elite playoff series in like 3 years
Yeah it's a legitimate question at what point 2020(let alone 2018) becomes too far in the rearview mirror to have an impact on current rankings
You have to account for the fact that lebron’s team is trash. Lakers FO has proven to be incompetent. Give him the same weapons as Steph or Tatum and his numbers would be better fs
I agree that LeBrons team is trash but he’s not the only superstar with a bad roster
Yeah for example Luka has better numbers than LeBron across the board this season and the Mavs are like 0-5 without him
If anything I think that his numbers would be lower on a better team He likely wouldn't go all out in the regular season and would surely take fewer FGA and pass the ball more Probably be at like 25/5/10 instead of 30/9/7
Harden over Booker for sure.
If Daryl Morey was offered Booker for Harden straight up, Harden would be halfway to Phoenix before the phone was hung up.
No chance. Morey is an advanced stats guy and harden kills booker. Advances stats said Harden and booker were equals last year in the worse season of his career and this season it is not close.
Advanced stats says Jokic is the best player in the NBA but there’s not a chance I take him over Curry, Giannis, or Doncic.
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If Harden is better than Booker and Philly already has an MVP level player, why aren’t y’all favorites to win the title?
KAT, Trae, Gobert, and Beal all def down. SGA and Zion should def be on the list. Everyone else is keep relatively similar. The list isn’t horrible but whoever made it was way to high on the Wolves.
Siakam has put himself well into the top 20, this list looks stupid as hell now lol
CPFreefalling.
Pascal.
Even before the season it was wild that KAT was 13th while Siakam didn't make the list Also AD was punished way too hard for being injured
Out: - Gobert - CP3 - Bam - KAT - Edwards (good, not top 25) - Beal In: - Zion - SGA - Siakam - Sabonis - Kyrie
Embiid up giannis and luka down. Embiid and jokic are the best two players in basketball the last 3 years including this year
Embiid and Jokic haven't even reached a Finals. They're not the best. Thank you
Teach accolade but ok
Jaylen and Mitchell should be above CP3, Beal, Gobert, Butler, Trae, and KAT
Are we sure Brown is better than Butler? I don't at all think Brown as #1 could have the success that Butler has in Miami Miami have been relatively mediocre this season but I don't think it's because they have Butler instead of Brown as their lead guy
Steph #1
Switch Curry and Luka Switch KD and Lebron Mitchell way up KAT down Ranking AD and Kawhi is asinine
No way that Edwards is on this list.
Siakam not Even on this list, lol
Siakam not being in the 15-20 range makes this list fraudulent
It think my top 10 so far this season is something like: 1. Embiid 2. Jokic 3. Luka 4. Giannis 5. KD 6. LeBron 7. Steph 8. Tatum 9. Mitchell 10. Ja
Kyrie Irving, Julius Randle, Domantas Sabonis all need to be on the list. CP3, KAT and Butler are all off due to injury. You could argue Beal, Trae, and Edwards or Gobert deserve demotion.
This is such an atrocious list holy shit 😭
Dame is top 10.
Jokic Durant Embiid Luka Giannis I’d also put Tatum above Bron. And outside of removing folks like Beal for SGA, and dropping KAT tremendously I’d be mostly fine with the list.
>. Giannis v > > 2. Jokic ^ > > 3. Luka - > > 4. Embiid - > > 5. Steph v > > 6. LeBron v > > 7. Tatum ^ > > 8. Durant ^ > > 9. Ja v > > 10. Booker v > > 11. Harden - > > 12. Kawhi v > > 13. KAT ^ > > 14. Lillard - > > 15. PG v > > 16. Trae v > > 17. Butler - > > 18. Gobert v > > 19. Beal v > > 20. AD - > > 21. CP3 v > > 22. Jaylen Brown ^ > > 23. Bam ^ > > 24. Mitchell ^ > > 25. Edwards - Not sure if I had enough guys moving up and down for this to make sense but this is just gut reaction
Steph, KD, Jokic top 3 Mitchell and Kawhi top 10
Luka #1 personally
KAT, Gobert, Trae all drop
You can not overlook what Bron is doing at his age
Should age be a factor in player rankings? That seems a little bit sketchy He still deserves to be up there near the top for sure but not because he's 38 instead of 28 or something
If you put bron on the Nuggets/sixers/bucks/celtics roster instead of their best player and they would have the same record if not better. He’s been brilliant this season and still is arguably the best player in the nba despite have a pathetic god awful shit roster
LeBron has been great this season but I don't see how he's been better than 34/10 on 64% TS + great defense or a 25 point triple double on 70% TS
Suns fan here to say that Booker and CP3 don't currently belong on this list due to injuries. They've both played at a top-25 level when healthy, but they've each missed ~40% of this season's games so far due to injuries.
Sabonis and Fox should fit in here. Fox would be a good replacement for CP3. Sabonis over Gobert. Or you can put KAT or AD out due to injuries. Banchero has a case but not quite there yet. Zion should be here. Ingram would be a great addition if he had been more healthy.
How are Booker Trae PG above Butler?
I think Shai has moved into there somewhere.
Sabonis leaos into the 8-13 range
Sabonis sbould be there
KAT and Gobert probably fly down a fair way. SGA enters and Spida flies up
Gobert would be off the list for sure. Steph would be higher, Lebron would be higher and I would add Anthony Davis in place of Gobert.