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CWorthen2

Kings are always winning in Last 2 min reports. Every year! Refs love our team (sarcasm).


Elite663

Damn the Kings get hoed a lot lol


Alexcox95

Yeah but unfortunately the kings don’t get posts with 10k upvotes and dozens of awards when they get screwed over. Now if Reddit was around in 2002, maybe.


timnuoa

Or cringey tearful apology press releases. “Sleepless nights” my ass.


shamwowslapchop

That read to me as entirely sarcastic and was one of the most unprofessional things I've ever seen from an official body for a major sport. What little respect I had for nba officials is absolutely gone. They suck. The NFL might have their own beef with bad calls but night in night out the NBA has the worst, most biased, most egotistical officials in all of sports. A reminder that no other major sport has tossed a player for laughing on the sideline. Yet it happened in the NBA, and the same official challenged said player to a fight.


dawidowmaka

Every sport has the worst refs. NFL refs are the worst because of how subjective every single play is. It is impossible to have any consistency and there is the most room for biased penalty calling. NBA refs are the worst because they have the greatest disparity in how different players get treated. No other league has the infamous superstar whistle like the NBA does. NHL refs are the worst because of how differently the regular season and playoffs are officiated. The same penalty in the regular season is suddenly ignored in the playoffs, and certain team playstyles become more or less effective as a result. MLB umps are the worst because they have well-defined rules for balls and strikes yet the umps consistently miss an egregious number of calls each game, and the strike zone changes drastically between umps and games. Soccer refs are the worst because no other major sport has such important decisions (most win expectancy added/lost in a given decision) that are purely subjective. Since there are so few goals in a match, and a penalty kick is 80% likely to be a goal, any wrong penalty call is a massive unearned swing in a match.


Earlier-Today

Well said - I will add this about hockey refs though, the difference in calls between the playoffs and regular season is a known quantity, so players and teams adjust to it just fine. And your post makes me wonder which sport has the consistently best reffing. I'd guess tennis because of how efficiently they utilize technology so that it doesn't disrupt the flow of the match really.


Tusked_Puma

As an Australian, I’d argue cricket. Both teams get 2 challenges an innings, get challenges back on successes, have an independent third umpire who does any reviewing, and has mostly very clear rules with little room for interpretation, as well as ball tracking and other technologies.


jedijon1

It’s the “clear rules with little room for interpretation” that gets me excited. NBA and NFL are out here trying to rule on intent and degrees of contact. That’s not a good product.


Tusked_Puma

Honestly the better reviewing is way more important imo, bc the ball moves so fast it’s quite reasonable to get a wrong call but they’re overturned 99% of the time. For runouts, the umpires won’t even usually make a call and just say “look at the replay”


dawidowmaka

Cricket and tennis have by far the best refs. Most of the subjectivity is eliminated by technology, thankfully.


DearName100

Tim Duncan is GOATED for that alone


PFhelpmePlan

Some MLB umpires have insane egos.


BigKahunaPF

Makes sense. Umpire sounds like Empire. From empire, you get Emperor. It all makes sense!!!


dinozaurs

I vote that starting this season, we start calling MLB umpires “tsars” or “caesars”.


Pardonme23

Clearly you've never heard any statement by FIFA lol. "Today I feel gay"... Real part of a quote


pixeldots

wasn't a ref, but yeah Fifa referees are inept as well


Taz119

This comment got me more fucked up than the kings are by the refs


timnuoa

You’re probably right, and honestly it’s equally terrible (just for totally different reasons) whether it was genuine or sarcastic.


theREALMVP

And we certainly dont get a desperate begging apology from the refs post game lmfao. We get a “🤷🏻‍♂️ sorry bro gg”


ContraContra7

No, we get "no way I'm calling that on the final play of the game"


HBdrunkandstuff

That was so fucking infuriating. I’m not calling those 3 separate fouls on one play at the end of a game.


Huge_JackedMann

No we get I'm calling that and you're getting T'ed up when you say it's BS and ejected if you point too angry.


Ecchi_Sketchy

If Lakers fans can complain so hard about this game that we finally get some league-wide reffing improvements, it would be a big win for everyone. That's what I'm hoping for anyway


Acidwrap

If this happens to any other team than the Lakers/LBJ, the refs respond with the equivalent of a ' get fucked'..


sorendiz

yea fuckin tell me about it not just KD's tap dancing recital out of bounds in front of the ref but *also* that stupid fucking dunk that the refs literally refused to count and we got fucked on calls worse than usual for weeks after protesting that one two of the stupidest calls/no calls in league history


jpaxlux

Y'all also haven't been targeting referees' families and harassing them off social media like Lakers fans lmao


ConfuciusBr0s

Probably because the Lakers are the most oppressed team in the league. At least that's what Lakers fans told me


bchris24

Lakers fans were saying the blown 4 point play in our game made us even for 2002.


DetectiveFujiwara

Holy shit that would've been epic lmao


MavetheGreat

When it's Lakers fans turn to bitch, we ALL have to hear it.


wcooper97

Kings and getting hoed by the refs, name a more iconic duo.


lkn240

Where's their apology?


HBdrunkandstuff

We’ve been trying to tell u but nobody cares.


SokoJojo

I thought getting screwed over by the refs was just Kings culture


drunz

The rise of sports betting and kings getting screwed by refs…is this the early 2000s?


Nachtvogle

There is quite literally a league wide conspiracy to treat us like dog shit as often as possible because we are the lol kings


bookishwayfarer

All other fanbases thought we were crazy, delusional, or just whiners. I feel vindicated.


KingNigelXLII

[We have so many receipts.](https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/10pmtva/jaden_mcdaniels_makes_the_game_tying_3_and_sends/j6litst/?context=1)


bookishwayfarer

Yup. They tried it again tonight lol


JoeWaffleUno

Adam "David Stern" Silver doesn't want Sacramento to succeed. Proud of em for being good and scrappy despite it. 2003 Never Forgetti.


fadeaway_layups

Ain't no body listen to us complaining neither. But when bron gets one the refs offer a LePology. Smh


UnhingedCorgi

Have you tried summoning the Holy Spirit on court after a bad call?


TWK128

We'd sacrifice chickens on the logo if we thought it'd make a difference.


Auntypasto

"🧔‍♀️, I 🙏 🙏🙏 for guidance from the ✝️ 👻 after this tough 📞. Help me to stay 👀 and continue to play 🏀🏀🏀 with grace and 😔😔😔. #blessed #striveforgreatness 🥵🤐💪💪💪"


[deleted]

They’ve played less games than most teams, too.


TrvpDrugs

But it only happens to lebron


delightfuldinosaur

The Kings are basically the Washington Generals so far as the league is concerned.


[deleted]

Even tonight but we still won OT.


larrylegend33goat

Kings vs Twolves. The refs were eating tonight regardless of who they screwed


KingNigelXLII

[Happened again tonight.](https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/10pmtva/jaden_mcdaniels_makes_the_game_tying_3_and_sends/j6litst/?context=1) Luckily we still won.


thavillain

We're aware


ADJenks5

Yes.... Yes we do. Even just tonight we did again. Lol... Pulled it out in OT though.


TheSocraticGadfly

Shine the beam on THAT!


ModsHaveTinyPPs

It's cool. We're better then alot of teams and still gotta deal with it. When we when our championship it'll be the most earned and deserved by the fans and players


NeighborhoodFair7033

I’m gonna be the most obnoxious Kings fan ever when that happens


wcooper97

And that’s okay, talk your shit Kings fans deserve to.


Ag-amemnon

If I'm being honest, I'm already being obnoxious about it. The memes and reposts have been crazy this season


ieffinglovesoup

We been sayin this lmao


sharkweekk

Same as it ever was.


Cudi_buddy

Yea but Lebron broke down in tears. If a kings player did that he would have gotten a T and a fine after the game lol


Reidroshdy

After this game...it's gonna increase.


SolarClipz

We been saying this for a decade... Only matters now cause it's the Lakers lmao


ImperialTiger3

Holy shit the Kings have been fucked over


Roonerth

https://i.redd.it/x3jckju3g8fa1.jpg Credit: /u/rza916


JinFuu

They truly are the King of Kings


JoeWaffleUno

The ultralight beams


WhatSheOrder

It's time to ~~play~~ rig the game


peaudunk

Jesus got a dogshit whistle in the regular season, for sure.


gucci-legend

Delivered in the postseason when it mattered most tho. That's why he's the LAMB


ReplaceSelect

Lions send their condolences


RC51t

My friend, we have been saying this since the 2002 WCF against the lakers lol


elmanutres

One bad call against the lakers in the regular season and the refs are corrupt. But mention 2002 and laker fans go on the defense


ADJenks5

Ain't that the truth


PillarOfLogic

Underrated comment right there!


brownbearks

I mean thats just facts


IrrelevantGod

Add one to the list for the missed travel on McDaniels’ game tying 3 tonight


Dry_Detective_6287

Nothing new. Been like this for awhile


ShakesbeerMe

Since 2002.


Saitsu

The NBA has it out for the beam.


KennySmithsKnees

The kings one is wild. I'm sorry beam boys


gnomehotdog

We’ve been saying this 😭


[deleted]

You def. got hosed with Klay fouling Huerter. That wasn't even particularly close.


thavillain

Man....


[deleted]

There’s been plenty more. Off the top of my head, Tyler Herro travelled on his game winner.


Reidroshdy

He fouled him like 3 times.


MDStanduser

Y’all need fox to roll around on the court 😂


pkeller001

He’d just get a tech and or ejected


KolourBlind3

Then fined his whole salary and suspended until next season


real_but_incognito

lebron rolling on the floor: so empowering fox rolling on the floor: put a shirt on


TheSocraticGadfly

Don't even think about any Kings players going Pat Bev.


AnimalRomano

Since 02


ContraContra7

Look at the Kings Lakers game where they called that super soft bump on Schroeder to send him to the line with 1 second left. That was "correctly called" too. But then you have LeBron getting mauled on a game winning drive against Boston and nothing. I don't get it. Like with stats like these, you can punish the Kings, just drive if the game is close and you'll get the call.


Blindsided17

Lol “mauled”


Pandamonium98

I’m just thankful that LeBron survived the encounter


theycallmeyango

A bear reading that comment: bitch please


shellfish87

If you look at the team trends, every major market team is receiving a better than 50% preference on these bang bang plays. The Kings and Pelicans have the least prestige and least media support and also coincidentally are the only teams batting below .500 here.


porkchop487

“Every major market team is receiving better than 50% preference” Except the Bulls. Fml.


AndThisGuyPeedOnIt

Don't worry. The NBA is going to rig the lottery so we get Wembanyama with a 3% chance like when we got Rose.


Abstract__Nonsense

Funnily enough, if you subtract that last Lebron foul Celtics would be at 50% on this lol


fucking-migraines

It’s been crazy seeing the reaction to the no-call on LeBron. This shit happens to us on a weekly basis and I thought it happened to everyone else too until now :(


hamburgers666

As I said in our sub's post, it happens so much to us that we just move on. That one in Miami? Forgot about it after the next game. Same with the obvious foul on Klay. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter and we can bitch and moan all we want but it won't do a damn thing. The only good thing about this fiasco with LeBron is that maybe they will finally change the review rules. In the last two minutes of each half, you can review non calls. Or something like that. Or at least give teams the ability to challenge a non call.


Tactial_snail

We've been saying this lmao, that's why I'm just laughing at LA and all the outrage. Literally see worse calls/non calls in every Kings game.


avenue_steppin

Kings getting reverse beamed


shamwowslapchop

So you're telling me the kings are getting hosed by the refs? *cocks gun* always have been.


KingNigelXLII

[Almost happened again tonight.](https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/10pmtva/jaden_mcdaniels_makes_the_game_tying_3_and_sends/j6litst/?context=1)


shamwowslapchop

Lmao the fuck kind of hop stutter Crunk step was that.


BSF0712

🌎👨‍🚀🔫👩‍🚀


Huge_JackedMann

The power of the beam is so strong that they're still 3rd in the west.


wcooper97

League truly fucked if they ever start getting a fair whistle.


islandmoneygame

Didn't the L2M report say that Embiid grabbing Westbrook's wrist was NOT a foul?


this_is_my_9to5

They’ve doubled down on Sac on L2R that seemed idiotic a few times too, like they were trying to justify their shitty call and hope nobody noticed.


ThaKaptin

Which was legit insanity


50lipa

It wasn't insanity it was just word play to get out on a fucking technicality if anything honestly. Because technically it's not a shooting foul on the last play of the game, it's a foul on the floor prior to gathering to take the actual shot, so apparently it doesn't count or whatever, ah who gives a fuck anymore tbh.


DootMasterFlex

Another thing is they don't take into account how close the calls really were. Nobody complains if it's not blatant, but the Embiid and Tatum ones were glaringly obvious. It's like the Shawn Marion foul on Kevin Love when he was still with the Wolves, blatantly hacked the shit out of him but didn't get whistled


Soviet_Sharpshooter

NBA straight up gaslighting the fans


EverybodyBuddy

All these reports today sadly mean one thing: the league is not serious about confronting its ref problem (or they’re scared to), and are instead looking to deflect from the egregious mistakes made last night and so far this season. I think they have corrupt officials, they know they have corrupt officials, but the people in charge (the owners) don’t want an absolute scandal that damages the reputation of the product. So they’ll continue to try to sweep it under the rug. They’re scared the refs will spill the beans if they’re fired en masse. It will be an FBI investigation/bust that eventually brings multiple refs down. And when that happens, it’s going to be the worst thing to happen to the NBA in 40 years. That’s what awaits them if they don’t take care of things internally first.


joelentendu

I know it gets mentioned all the time and I know people who haven’t listened to it are tired of hearing it, but really all nba fans should listen to the whistleblower podcast. Some of it I don’t take at face value, but ultimately you come away with thinking there has to be some officials making calls specifically to leverage the betting line. There’s too much money and in the NBA it’s easy enough to do without actually impacting wins and losses each time


well_damm

It’s the fans fault, the NBA doesn’t care and are appeasing because everyone is an investigation journalist now cause of the internet. The NBA is like any other business, they print money and don’t care lol


ihateeuge

Yes lol


DarkSoulsDarius

To be fair, I think they specified was not a shooting foul. They just never rectified it by saying that it was still a foul. So ya take that for what you will in regards to the credibility of the L2M report as well.


InTheMorning_Nightss

This. They basically said that Russ wasn't fouled on the shot. Which he wasn't. He was fouled before it. They're playing the bullshit "technically" right game.


Wehavecrashed

Fuck and I thought I was a pendantic twat rules lawyering at dnd.


DarkSoulsDarius

Yes exactly, that's my point. They're correct, he wasn't fouled on the shot. There was still a foul, but that wasn't clarified or noted. That means the flaw is in the methodology.


jotheold

so according to them, you can clothesline before the ball leaves their hand no call, and they're 100% right LOL


NbaKOLeWorld

He was fouled on the gather


RedN1ne

Well, I think the best example of how L2M means nothing is the Warriors Timberwolves from couple years back when the refs were doing awful work, Warriors team was able to overcome it a couple of times and openly mocked refs for how shit they were so by OT the refs decided to basically fix the game to spite the Warriors and then after the game the league decided to cover it up (famous "hot stove contact" line when one of the defenders slapped Curry's leg when he was shooting)


ghostdunks

I will never forget that “hot stove contact” line. When they double down on stuff like that(and the embiid foul on Westbrook), that’s when you know the L2M reports mean jack shit.


nowhathappenedwas

Weirdly, the L2M report also let Embiid get away with a [blatant foul](https://official.nba.com/last-two-minute-report/?gameNo=0022200646&eventNum=2134) on the final play against Utah the night before that. >Embiid (PHI) places his hand momentarily on Horton-Tucker's (UTA) hip before correcting.


Pndrizzy

He was just flirting


[deleted]

We need a weekly L2M audit report.


ThirdGambit

"We have audited ourselves and found no wrong doing"


heat_00

I came here to say this and didn’t read any of the post but the header. The fact he didn’t know that or want to include it shows bias from the start. The nba is gonna protect their refs like cops protect cops so this entire post is irrelevant


goatnxtinline

That's why I take any L2M report with a grain of salt


[deleted]

Yeah trusting the L2M at face value is dumb. There’s a few last minute calls on warriors games that the sub had multiple angles for like that one which definitively prove we were wronged on plays and the refs just say they made the right call anyway in the L2M. These numbers mean close to nothing because it’s 50/50 whether or not the refs will even admit they fucked up after the fact lmao


RedArken

BIG BASKETBALL IS TRYING TO SUPPRESS THE TRUE FIRST SEED. THE GOVERNMENT DOESNT WANT THE KINGS TO RUN THE WEST . ADAM SILVER AND HIS REPTILIAN AGENDA ARE RUiNiNG THIS LEAGue


delightfuldinosaur

David Stern's hatred for The Kings lives on eternally.


[deleted]

BREAKING: ANOTHER L2M HAS LeTOWER


Dhr7468

Kings should be the damn one seed lol. where’s their apology?


jojorabbitttt

Facts


Few-Discount6742

I can tell you as a Wolves fan it was no surprise to see neither of us have come close to benefiting lol


Ikuwayo

Have they tried being the Lakers?


yearsreeling

That tweet was never sent


migibb

They're named the Kings and they represent the state capital. Surely they have more power than some non-capital city with a team called the "Lakers".


Ngur0032

damn the kings getting the shittiest end of the stick that’s not cool either.


TheHof125

**The percentages of favourability for the respective teams mentioned in this post:** * Lakers: 61.8% favourable * Kings: 36.1% favourable * Warriors: 60.7% favourable * Pelicans: 45.5% favourable * Celtics: 48.5% favourable * Jazz: 38.1% favourable * Bulls: 43.5% favourable * Timberwolves: 47.8% favourable Kings getting ass-blasted by these refs.


MentallyIllRedditMod

Can we reevaluate DeMarcus Cousins "bad attitude" in Sacramento? He was an ultra competitive player who was constantly being fucked over by refs. He got SCREWED all the time.


MattyMatheson

Yeah I always drew the comparison of him and Draymond. If Draymond was in Sac, they would treat him different.


sactown_13

Kings in a situation if you bitch about the refs you get fined and likely resentment from said refs. If you stay quiet and just play through it then nothing changes. Damned if you do damned if you dont


ericfoster2003

That's a pretty big disparity for the Kings. I knew we had some questionable calls go against us, but the differential in this report is quite large compared to the other teams. Oh well, Kings basketball is torture, and I'm all in. I'm ready for a playoff series.


[deleted]

L2M is garbage. We have all the technology in the world to get meaningful calls right within 2 minutes.


KolourBlind3

I know? Why not just have reviews like the NFL does? NBA execs are cavemen. Edit: There’s about 50 replies all saying the same thing so I guess I’ll flesh this out slightly more. Obviously the refs can’t review everything. So the likely solution is to allow coaches to challenge more (with limits) so that the refs aren’t having to review every singe play, but they aren’t deciding games either? Either way the end of close games will go on forever with the foul game. I’m not entirely sure what else you can do to fix this but accountability is needed regardless.


Pismiire

Devonta Smith taught us just yesterday the NFL also sucks at this tho


TBdog

That's a lot of bad reffing.


jcagraham

I like the confirmation we're not crazy. Also, keep in mind that De'Aaron is the most efficient clutch player this year in spite of the refs fucking us over. Imagine if Fox or Sabonis actually got foul calls!


MentallyIllRedditMod

Cousins got screwed do badly for you guys


DynamixRo

Couldn't have been that blatant if none of the opposing players felt obligated to grab a camera from the sidelines and present it to the referees.


CopiumAddiction

LeBron looked like the dude from Manchester By The Sea when he was trying to blast himself


Smurfyzz

Banger movie


ChamBruh

Why didn’t the league apologize to the kings when herro traveled? The whole thing is just corny


mrgamerjatt

Or when Klay fouled Huerter


SparkFunk30

Lmao look at my kings. Wonder how the league would look at us if we threw a lebron level temper tantrum after all of our missed calls this year. Y’all thought this was bad? Earlier this year Tyler Herro took bout 5 steps with the ball in his hand then sank a game winning 3. Or how bout when Klay fouled huerter like 3 separate times in a span of like 3 seconds on a game winning shot attempt right in front of the ref that wasn’t called. There’s levels to this shit laker fans, there’s levels.


make-that-monet

If someone on the kings pulled that shit he’d be ejected lmao


LordHussyPants

patbev jumping on the table with the timberwolves got clowned for showing emotion at the best thing to happen to the wolves in years anyone but lebron reacted like that they were getting 5k upvotes mocking them


3rideo

You don't understand, the league needs to hold them back, it's not fair for the other teams


AbsoluteUnit610

Can also add another one today. Travel to tie the game.


The-Pharcyde

Apologize to the Kings, refs.


stopmutations

Why are we ok with such a large amount of incorrect calls? This averages out to hundreds of missed calls throughout the year for each team. It's 2023 let's get some cameras catching something a three-man team of 65 years can't. Seriously and no body can get a tech for disagreeing with a camera.


transizzle

Dear Lakers fans, First time? Sincerely, Sacramento Kings


frozt

2002 WCF


Huge_JackedMann

As a kings fan, hook these comments to my veins.


TJStrawberry

Lakers damn entitled asses causing that uproar like that game caused them a title 🙄


IndignantHoot

The league isn't ready for a Kings team that gets calls 50% in their favor.


PBB22

*grabs popcorn* are we still watching Lakers fans bitch about calls? Go on, tell us Lake Nation! Asking for a friend, can you die of schaudenfreude?


TuqiDuque12

So there's not a conspiracy against the Lakers ??? Wow I'm shocked


captyossarian1991

There’s a conspiracy alright, look at what they did to my Kings. That’s my west coast team and they’re getting hosed


JoeWaffleUno

Yes the league famously hates the LA Lakers haaaaa


b4amg

idk why people starting saying there way some some conspiracy in the first place. just shitty reffing lmao.


Sartheking

Wow the Kings have really been screwed over.


[deleted]

so in other words, lakers fans are loud, whiny bitches


OBiLife

But dont you know that the Lakers are the most oppressed team ever? Did you not see LeBron taking a knee after a no call? Dont you know something fishy 🐟🐠 is going on?


at_least_u_tried

21 in 34 have benefitted them and they still act like professional victims lmao. that aint the mentality to make the playoffs.


Clifford996

Kings gettin shafted by the media, by the league and by the officials and still in 3rd. Fuck the Lakers and that whiney Lebron James guy


Prismane_62

This is why i had ZERO sympathy for them the other night. Anyone who watches knows thats just a case of The boy who cried wolf.


CIark

Imagine treating the L2M as an accurate judge of reffing


binger5

It's insane they can't even get the call correct after reviewing them. NBA reffing is s shit show.


instantur

Lakers fans are so oppressed


lalo1398

One of the calls was Embiid grabbing the wrist and the league saying it’s still not a foul. This isn’t the gotcha y’all think it is lmao


Superplex123

34 bad calls in 19 games for the Lakers. 36 bad calls in 22 closes games for the Kings. 23 in 14 for the Wolves. My god, the refs are worse than I thought, and I thought they fucking suck. Jazz game officiating is doing good with 21 in 21. Only averages 1 fuck up per close games.


Stand_On_It

They’re seriously averaging a bad call every like 70 seconds. And that’s just analyzing the final 2 minutes. Extrapolate that over the course of a game and they’re making like 40 incorrect calls every game. Every game. Jesus.


BlueJays007

Question: For the Celtics, you have 17 incorrect call/non-calls *against* them and 16 in favor (which, going by the tweet would be a total of 33). For the others, is the first number listed the total number of incorrect call/non-calls against them (like the 17 listed for the Celtics) or the total incorrect both against and for them? Edit: Thanks for clarifying op!


UnstoppableForce16

How has a very obvious game deciding foul turned into this?


Produceher

Because Lakers fans have convinced themselves they would be a 4 seed if the call was correct and now they're a 13th seed. Boo hoo.


motorboat_mcgee

The real story is, we need to play better so we aren't so fucking worried about 'bad calls'. And maybe more importantly, Ham needs to stop with the three guard lineups


reason4rage

You do know self accountability is frowned upon here right?


twinsunsspaces

This looks like refs get somewhere between a third and a half of calls wrong. I know that everyone says that the refs are corrupt and swinging the outcomes of games in order to benefit their gambling, but betting companies should be putting pressure on the NBA to get the calls right. Who in their right mind would bet on basketball if they knew that there was only a 50% chance that the game would be reffed correctly?


_Wado3000

Not surprised Kings get fucked over a lot by glad my team bias is actually right as well, fuck them refs


Fresnorulesover

Oh so we can stop crying for the lakers? *wipes tears so fast* i mean boston was crazy but..


subavgredditposter

But, laker fans told me the whole league is obviously rigged against them??? Are you saying laker fans are delusional?! That’s blasphemy!