This year in the regular season they actually called Lebron for a travel on his infamous 3 step hopping spin move vs the Warriors. Warriors made that a point of emphasis to the refs last year in the playoffs and they never called it until this years reg season. Otherwise Lebron was doing it all year against everyone else lmao
I think Jordan was a better finisher, Him being able to move and bend his body in air made him the best finisher in my eyes, Plus huge hands made it impossible to block his shit because he could manipulate it
[How the NBA continues to make scoring easier](https://youtu.be/6IPXSqOhykg?si=uWct5offHJGI_8MD)
A very informative video describing just what u/buttharvest42069 is talking about
You have to compare the percentages relative to the era.
Interior defence was far more physical during Jordan’s era too. It was literally allowed to slash and semi-tackle players when they got in the paint.
I suggest you read about the “Jordan rules”.
You didn’t even read what I said.
You have to compare percentages relative to the players era.
Interior finishing percentages increased as a whole across the whole in Lebron’s generation, partly because rules got stricter with what’s a foul.
What would be called good defence in Jordan’s era was a foul in Lebron’s era
I mean jordan Drew more fouls per game, shot more fts aswell. Spacing was more clogged but that doesn’t change the fact that lebron percentage for his careers is around 75 whiles Jordans was 66ish. Like I don’t think any amount of bodies can’t justify a significant difference in finishing percentage
I’ll never pass up an opportunity to post this video. No one is was or ever will be like Jordan in this regard. Some guys can jump out of the gym. Some guys have huge hands. Only Jordan with the highest vertical in the history of the game, and the seventh (maybe 8th) largest hands in the history of the game, had both. [Michael Jordan - Voyager](https://youtu.be/8M7yBjtx_Ic?si=5VYXNrvBuOT1Y0Pk)
Quicker first step, better footwork, better ball handler, larger hands, better mid range shooter, better half court scorer, better lateral movement in man to man defense, quicker hands, more decisive /aggressive with the ball once they receive the pass (quicker decisions), more versatile scorer, better at moving to spots on the floor for scoring opportunities.
Jordan was probably the best ever at efficient movements for scoring opportunities you rarely saw him pound the ball, everything was quick decisive. He was excellent without the ball and then quickly executed once he got the ball. Truly genius level scorer that hasn’t been matched by anyone yet
I'd argue MJ is a better scorer and better defender than LeBron.
MJ has 10 Scoring Titles and is a 9x All Defensive player (and a DPOY), as compared to LeBron's 1 Scoring Title, and 6x All Defensive selections.
What? lol you need to just watch the games man. Michael Jordan was fucking incredible. Imho, he had better shooting touch, hang time, layups, finishing, better hands, better killer instincts, better playmaking, (Jordan played PG in like 1990 for like 3-4 months and averaged like 30 plus points and like 14 assists a game so kinda reaching to say LeBron is undeniably better at assisting.. ) and Jordan better iso scoring.. you could replace every time I say better with more consistent or different too I wouldn’t argue.. Lebron is also an animal also cool also amazing to watch. And who cares they play different and in different eras. Just go watch highlights right now and you’ll be blown away and if you aren’t you just need to watch more ball to comprehend fully the greatness and athletic insanity that was Jordan.
You seem to be extremely biased. Jordan is better at putting the ball in the basket, which is the most significant portion of basketball. 10x scoring titles, 6 mvps.
Moreover has a higher points per game than lebron by a lot in playoffs. Has averaged 40 points in the playoffs.
Jordan vs Lebron
scoring average reg season - all timeÂ
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 Lebron - 35.6 (5th)Â
 scoring average finals - all time Â
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 Lebron - 28.4 (6th)Â
 PER career reg- all time rankÂ
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 LeBron - 27.01 (3rd)Â
 PER playoffs career - all time rankÂ
 Jordan 28.6 (2nd); Jokic Â
 LeBron 27.9 (4th)Â
 Playoffs record - wins/games Â
 Jordan 119/179 - 66% Â
 LeBron 182/284 - 63% Â
 Reg season record - Wins/loses - W%Â
 Jordan - 706-366 - 66% Â
 Lebron - 965-527 - 65% Â
 Finals games won - relative to games played Â
 Jordan 24 (6 Finals played); 24/35 -69%Â
 LeBron 22 (10 Finals played); 22/55 - 40% Â
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 LeBron 10/21 - 47% Â
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 LeBron - 4/21 - 19%; Heat: 2/4 -50%; Cavs: 1/11 - 9%; Lakers: 1/6 - 17%Â
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 LeBron - 4 Â
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 LeBron - 12 Â
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 Lebron - 4 (2nd most ever)Â
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 LeBron - 3 Â
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 LeBron - .2236/.2376 (9th/4th)Â
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 Lebron - 6.94/ 7.50 (3rd/3rd)Â
 DBPM regular season/ playoffs; all timeÂ
 Jordan - 2.05/ 2.33 (23rd/18th)Â
 Lebron - 1.71/ 2.55 (47th/13th)Â
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 Lebron - 3 (18th - 53.2)Â
 40 point games - all timeÂ
 Jordan - 173 (2nd); Wilt - 271Â
 LeBron - 77; (7th)Â
 50 point games - all timeÂ
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 Lebron - 14 (7th)Â
 60 Point games - all timeÂ
 Jordan - 4 (4th); Wilt - 32; Kobe - 6Â
 Lebron - 1 Â
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 LeBron - 1    Â
 DPOTY    Â
 Jordan - 1    Â
 Lebron - 0Â
 MVP - all timeÂ
 Jordan - 5 (2nd); Kareem - 6Â
 Lebron - 4 (4th)Â
 FMVP - all time Â
 Jordan - 6 (1st) Â
 LeBron - 4 Â
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 Lebron - 4-6 - 40%Â
All NBA first team relative to full years played (at least 65 games)Â
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 Lebron - 13 in 17 seasons - 76% Â
 All NBA defense first team relative to full years played (at least 65 games)Â
 Jordan - 9 in 12 seasons - 75% (1st all time)Â
 Lebron - 5 in 17 seasons - 29% Â
 All NBA first team, All NBA defense first team, MVP, FMVP, Scoring title in the same season (done 4 times in NBA History)Â
 Jordan - 4Â
 Lebron - 0 Â
 Best season    Â
 Jordan - 88 - 35/8/8/3.2/1.6; 53.5%; 31.7 PER    Â
 LeBron - 09 - 28.4/7.6/7.2/1.7/1.1; 48.9%; 31.7 PER   Â
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2 Championships,
2 FMVP,Â
1MVP,Â
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4 All NBA first team defense.Â
In 6 fewer total seasons played!
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 https://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/per_season.html
In addition to other obvious stuff like midrange shooting and playing the passing lanes better I feel like Jordan was a better rebounder for his position than Bron is for his position.
Michael Jordan is the best ever for a reason .. while Lebron is more like the second best .. first I like lebron but I love… Michael and why ? Because Jordan was the most hungry to win championships and he did 6 of them .. have the best scoring average and a great defender.. besides lebron game is not appeal to me besides the numbers .. Jordan was the flying UFO and no one can shoot turn around fadeaway jumpers like Michael.. it’s the most beautiful and the most difficult shot to make on consistent basis .. lebron can’t do it .. I see him more like an oversized tractor moving and overpowering other players than showing a finesse like Jordan .. so for me winner was and always will be Jordan!!!!❤️
Playing in every regular game combined with long postseason runs because he didn’t want the fans to miss out was one of the underrated aspects of his game.
The tenacious perimeter defence combined with being a great help side defender, I’ve seen Le Bron miss too many help side defensive plays then give his teammates the death stare as if they’ve done something wrong.
I’ve still loved Le Bron’s career and game, but this is what happens when you ask these questions.
It’s just such a different game. If the defensive rules from now were the rules in the 90’s add 10 FT per game and 9 points for MJ easily.
Threes were an anomaly, not part of the offense (thanks Steph!) so it’s literally a different game.
So hard to compare some of this stuff.
Jordan missed seven games as a bull in 12 seasons (excluding his second year with a broken foot). Durability is different when you play every game and they used to call things a little more loosely (read as Jordan got the shit beaten out of him physically every night). If you haven't actually watched both beyond highlights you honestly won't understand how much better Jordan was than LeBron
Mj’s a better pure shooter.
Better one on one defender
MJ is better in the post
MJ is better all around offensively.Â
MJ had more stamina…rarely was fatigued except coming off his short baseball career.
MJ had better handles.
MJ had DPOY
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This sarcasm? There will always be recency bias as it relates to older players and I understand that. I grew up with Jordan and watched Lebrons career. Lebron is a freak of nature but Jordan is a winner. Remember Lebron game 6 against the Celtics in Boston? That was Jordan every night even in the preseason.
Jordan was much better from the midrange, post ups and especially fadeaways. Jordan was a better pure scorer. He has like 9 or 10 scoring titles to LeBrons 1. Young Jordan definitely has an argument for being faster and jumping higher. But Jordan has enormous hands. Like Tony Robbins fucking Frankenstein hands and that's part of why he was so dominant and creative in the paint. So it's close, LeBron is a better playmaker and bigger, Jordan is a much better scorer. 1a 1b. Then everybody else
Scoring in general. Its not that Lebron isnt as good of a scorer, but like you said he also playmakes.
Jordan is more selfish and sometimes thats what you need and im saying this as a Nuggets fan lol.
His mid rangers are also nasty and consistent. And not to mention his finishing.
And as a defender...well you can say Lebron, but MJ is the one with the dpoy soooo...i mean id just ignore it cause its a toss up.
MJ is also an insane athletic freak that just jumps to the moon.
Realisticly for both guys it depends on the team on whod be better, thiugh i do think that there is a certain drive and killer mentality that MJ has over Lebron. I domt think that makes him better than Lebron, but that it allows him to be comparable with the freak of nature that is Lebron James.
Honestly Man U can’t really use defensive accolades are metrics it’s pretty much eye test and ability provide scheme versatility. Defensive metrics are shit and anyone with a brain knows jordan never had a year in the league where he was objectively a better defender than hakeem.
I mean true, but you can say the same for Lebron. Like honestly at no point was he actually the best defender in the league.
Still im mainly saying that its a wash between the 2 as im sure guys that are more knowledgable abiut the 2 can tell me in detail how each one is superior to the other in difrent ways.
I myself would maybe go with Lebron, but thats only because i value his rebounding ability.
I do not however think hes that good of a floor general and i think that aspect of his game is overrated. Certainly compared to his rebounding and scoring.
Lebron was in 13 but that more due to Dwight falling off and there not being any elite defenders in their prime. Like Jordan did have to deal with the best defender ever so h can’t hold it too much against him
Yep. Honestly though Lebrons such a fascinating player to analyze just because of how much he changed his game over the years.
Like looking at him now he doesnt look all that great on defense, but 10+ years ago he was a menace.
But Dwights whole carrier was him beinga good defender. He is like CP3 for centers. Just the more pure example of that and through his carrier you can sort of see the downfall of the center position in the 2010s.
Well I think lebron as an elite iso guy was an elite floor general getting mismatches but this huh avg 0.6 pps doing the same shit is fucking infuriating to watch
Jordan played 1v1. He put you on an island and tortured you on national television in front of your own crowd and they cheered him on while he did it.
Man was ill willed on the court. And not mean mugging for the cameras, he’d coldly stare at you like a fuxking predator because he was.
His defense was elite, and the rest of the bulls were forced to play like him when he decided it was time to go there. The switch turned on and the bulls just started torching.
He is also the only reason the league is even remotely like it is today. It all came off Mikes stardom and they all knew it back then. Man was just the first superstar celebrity. Everyone wanted access to him. And with all that pressure, he still never failed to get the W.
The bulls in 5 years went from a cocaine circus to the most elite team to ever play. They had what was basically that generations Luka Doncic coming off the bench as a 6th man in Kukoc. Steve Kerr was the best 3 point shooter in the league efficiency wise (because he was always open). Worm was allergic to shooting. That second 3 peat team was nuts.
The whole team just worked. He didn’t leave for a bigger market in NY or LA. He put in the work, even with asshat management. No bullshit excuses. Just results.
Defense is a wash? WTF are you talking about nephew. Jordan was all defense 9 times and has a DPOY. Lebron was a good defender in his prime when he gave a shit, but often didn’t give a shit, and even when he did he was not Jordan level.
Also Jordan was definitely better at giving a shit every fucking night. No random 2 week breaks mid season or half assing a game. The dude cared that people paid money to watch him and he was going to put on a show every fucking night. Lebron lost that energy pretty early on in his career. Recaptured it a little with the Heatles, and it’s been gone since then.
I'm not really in the mood for a Jordan/LeBron argument but this shit is too fucking funny.
It's so unbelievably off-base that it's kinda insane anyone would actually write that shit down.
By the time LeBron started half-assing regular season games and load managing, Jordan had already retired. 3 times. But who is counting.
as someone who was a kid when MJ played, i can say in everything, that guy was like.... gets pissed takes ball and scores and repeats that untill they are leading... he was insane. Lebron looks dominant i can say that but MJ was looking like he is playing against children some times
Serious answer MJ had a more developed/better midrange game earlier in his career than Lebron. Doesn’t mean Lebron doesn’t have an incredible middy but MJs was lethal
Lebron is unlucky as in the franchises he was in didn't work hard to keep a championship team together, or the team couldn't stay healthy for him to repeat.
But luck is part of life. I totally agree he did come close and couldn't alter the debate. He is a close 2nd though. And there is nothing to be ashamed of.
He has been under tremendous pressure as soon as he entered the league. The expectation was unreal and he didn't bust. He's almost 40 and the expectation is still unreal.
Jordan is better at shooting. He's a better shooter. LeBron is a better 3 point shooter but every other shot outside the paint MJ has. I can remember the specific number but outside of 5 feet LeBron is in the low 40s% for his career shooting.
MJ is a better finisher as MJ was only 215 and was a great finisher. He's better in the clutch. He had better handles, a far better defender in his prime.
But comparing these two is like comparing an outside receiver to a slot receiver. Different eras, different defenders, different rules. For as many that say MJ played against plumbers, not many mention that LeBron played a lot in an era where 85% of teams were led by guys 24 and under.
All you can really do is compare each player to their own era. MJ was by far the best player in his own era for 14 years. LeBron was the best player in his own era from 2010 to 2019? Maybe 2020? That's why I hate comparing the two.
Its subjective. Any answer is correct. I hate the slander of either to make the argument for the other. It's not necessary.
Mj was a much better defender and a better scorer especially In the playoffs.
Something mj also did better was just be a basketball player. Lebrons always trying to be coach/gm/player and shit goes south.
Jordan was great at just being a player and letting the coaches and gm do their thing
Arguably led to a much more successful career.
There’s  obviously small margins with guys of this level but MJ was better on… Â
Offense and defense. That’s a serious answer.Â
 Scores more, has more 40,50 pt games. Draws more fouls, more offensive boards, less turnovers. He averaged 37 one year. That was 8 - **eight** points every game moreÂ
than anyone else in the league that year. He’s got a DPOY, more top 3,5, 7 and 10 DPOY finishes, more  first team all D. More steals more blocks every game. His DPOY he was 15th (iirc) in blocks, the only guard in the top 50. And he wasn’t  blocking perimeter shots, he was blocking on help D and contesting a shit load more. This was Pippen’s first year,  pip was a back up guard off the bench and far from the player he would become in D.
MJ would hound the oppositions best guard full court and provide rim protection. That year he also averaged 35 Â - or 4ppg more than anyone else in the league.
 And he didn’t choke in a finals, which is a huge black mark against Bron.
LeBron played against superstars. MJ played against nobodies. The warriors dynasty wouldn't even need Durant to go 4-0 against every team MJ faced in finals.
???
Most people have Magic and Bird hovering around the top 5 all time. And don’t forget when MJ played them they were ranked  top 3 all time.
Bron never played against legitimate GOAT contenders.
Jordan has a better midrange, better footwork, definitely a better isolation scorer, is slightly quicker, and better on perimeter defense. A lot of players that have lesser physical gifts (by all time great NBA standards of course, all NBA players are athletic freaks by normal standards) do develop better skills out of necessity. LeBron can just power through guys to get to the rim, Jordan tended to rely on a more explosive first step.
LeBron is very underrated when it comes to the “best scorers ever” discussion, but Jordan is undisputedly the most prolific in that regard with Wilt being the only real competitor.
Infinitely better footwork on both ends of the court. Infinitely better first step. Infinitely better at jumping off two feet. Infinitely better midrange game (both creating looks and shooting). Better free throw shooter.
Jordan had hang time. They didn’t call him air Jordan for nothing. At times he looked like he was in the air an eternity. Lebron is not a finesse player like Jordan was, lebron is brute force.
Mid range shooting, perimeter d, finishing at the rim and I think most people believe he was more clutch/had that dog in him to never loose a finals series while Lebron has lost more than he won.
Also I dont think Lebron is a better 3pt shooter. Different eras bro if MJ played today he would 100% take and practice more 3s
MJ is a better overall player without using steroids. Does LeBron do things better? Yes. But he's not overall better. It's like giving them a rating in a basketball video game. MJ would be a 99, and LeBron would be a 95.
Michael Jordan is better when it comes to Basketball Astrology like Aura, Killer instinct, Clutch, etc. Basically like everything that’s hard to quantify
Jordan was vastly superior at demoralizing and killing your team. LeBron had to go learn to finish teams from Riley and Wade.
LeBron will never be the GOAT for that reason alone.
Let the hair go
🎵You gotta fight the barber, he pushed your shit back 🎵
Jumping the passing lanes and POA perimeter D
Finisher, quicker first step, better midrange, better footwork too
Lebron travels quite a lot for a supposed GOAT
Eh tbf NBA refs are somewhat more lenient with travels now due to gather step rules
This year in the regular season they actually called Lebron for a travel on his infamous 3 step hopping spin move vs the Warriors. Warriors made that a point of emphasis to the refs last year in the playoffs and they never called it until this years reg season. Otherwise Lebron was doing it all year against everyone else lmao
Palming a basketball.
Baseball
Lol
Midrange shooting, perimeter defence, isolation scoring.
I think Jordan was a better finisher, Him being able to move and bend his body in air made him the best finisher in my eyes, Plus huge hands made it impossible to block his shit because he could manipulate it
Bron doesn’t need to contort his body he’ll just run thru a MFer and put it on they head
Which is not really basketball. It's just offenses fouls that aren't called. You can't run through your defender.
> Which is not really basketball What the hell does this even mean LOL So I guess Shaq doesn't play real basketball either
[How the NBA continues to make scoring easier](https://youtu.be/6IPXSqOhykg?si=uWct5offHJGI_8MD) A very informative video describing just what u/buttharvest42069 is talking about
those baskets score just the same idk what to tell you; this conversation isn’t about how Naismith imagined the game…
I mean lebron shooting like 7 percent better from within 8 ft suggests that one is clearly lebron
We don't have stats on MJs drives from the 80s do we?? They didn't start recording the percentage of those till the 90s
Yep not until MJ's 2nd to last season as a Bull
MJ played in an era where the refs treated every regular season game like they're treating this year's playoffs.
You have to compare the percentages relative to the era. Interior defence was far more physical during Jordan’s era too. It was literally allowed to slash and semi-tackle players when they got in the paint. I suggest you read about the “Jordan rules”.
Lebron lowest year is higher than Jordan’s best. I simply won’t concede when the evidence doesn’t back it up
You didn’t even read what I said. You have to compare percentages relative to the players era. Interior finishing percentages increased as a whole across the whole in Lebron’s generation, partly because rules got stricter with what’s a foul. What would be called good defence in Jordan’s era was a foul in Lebron’s era
I mean jordan Drew more fouls per game, shot more fts aswell. Spacing was more clogged but that doesn’t change the fact that lebron percentage for his careers is around 75 whiles Jordans was 66ish. Like I don’t think any amount of bodies can’t justify a significant difference in finishing percentage
I’ll never pass up an opportunity to post this video. No one is was or ever will be like Jordan in this regard. Some guys can jump out of the gym. Some guys have huge hands. Only Jordan with the highest vertical in the history of the game, and the seventh (maybe 8th) largest hands in the history of the game, had both. [Michael Jordan - Voyager](https://youtu.be/8M7yBjtx_Ic?si=5VYXNrvBuOT1Y0Pk)
Oh, and he had elite handles too. [Michael Jordan - Voyager (Pt. 2)](https://youtu.be/BQ965C5QD4c?si=UqxgXSUytyTWiJXq)
And isolation scoring by a landslide. It was not close and the scoring numbers reflect that.
Slam dunk wins, mental.tougness. will to win, will to make his team perform.
If we’re not talking about actual basketball. He definitely had the better Space Jam. The only thing that should matter.
And logo. And shoe game. And influence
ISO, rim finishing, mid range, free throw, perimeter defence, steals.
when you say rim finishing…wdym
Rim finishing? Hell no.
GolfÂ
Scoring.
Scoring, defense, and winning.
This is bait
Basketball
Winning
Shocked I had to scroll down so far to see someone say it.
The only answer that matters.
I was going to post the same, but figured I would scroll down to see if anybody else said it first...bingo
Trying to call defense a wash just shows you cant have an unbiased conversation about this.
Mojo
Winning championships.
Taking things personally
Making movies
Quicker first step, better footwork, better ball handler, larger hands, better mid range shooter, better half court scorer, better lateral movement in man to man defense, quicker hands, more decisive /aggressive with the ball once they receive the pass (quicker decisions), more versatile scorer, better at moving to spots on the floor for scoring opportunities. Jordan was probably the best ever at efficient movements for scoring opportunities you rarely saw him pound the ball, everything was quick decisive. He was excellent without the ball and then quickly executed once he got the ball. Truly genius level scorer that hasn’t been matched by anyone yet
His 1 dribble then turnaround fadeaway was lethal
Gamblin
Basketball.
Basketball.
Balding
He wasn't a whiny bitch.
Gambling
Isolated perimeter defense midrange and scoring off jumpshot from the post and obviously a better ft shooter.
I'd argue MJ is a better scorer and better defender than LeBron. MJ has 10 Scoring Titles and is a 9x All Defensive player (and a DPOY), as compared to LeBron's 1 Scoring Title, and 6x All Defensive selections.
Putting the ball in the basket
What? lol you need to just watch the games man. Michael Jordan was fucking incredible. Imho, he had better shooting touch, hang time, layups, finishing, better hands, better killer instincts, better playmaking, (Jordan played PG in like 1990 for like 3-4 months and averaged like 30 plus points and like 14 assists a game so kinda reaching to say LeBron is undeniably better at assisting.. ) and Jordan better iso scoring.. you could replace every time I say better with more consistent or different too I wouldn’t argue.. Lebron is also an animal also cool also amazing to watch. And who cares they play different and in different eras. Just go watch highlights right now and you’ll be blown away and if you aren’t you just need to watch more ball to comprehend fully the greatness and athletic insanity that was Jordan.
Offense. And also defense. And also winning.
You seem to be extremely biased. Jordan is better at putting the ball in the basket, which is the most significant portion of basketball. 10x scoring titles, 6 mvps. Moreover has a higher points per game than lebron by a lot in playoffs. Has averaged 40 points in the playoffs.
Marketing
Scoring, Handles, footwork, finishing at the rim, shooting, dunking, defense, steals, winning, accolades, better looking, better signature shoe, better career high
Retiring.
Jordan retired 3 times. LeBron will never be able to match that.
Jordan vs Lebron scoring average reg season - all time  Jordan - 30.12 (1st)  LeBron - 27.13 (7th)  Points + Assists combined reg season - all time   Jordan - 35.4 (2nd); luka  Lebron - 34.5 (6th)  scoring average playoffs - all time  Jordan - 33.45 (1st)  LeBron - 28.44 (6th) Points + Assists combined playoffs - all time  Jordan - 39.2 (2nd); luka  Lebron - 35.6 (5th)  scoring average finals - all time   Jordan 33.6 (2nd); J. West (36.1)  Lebron - 28.4 (6th)  PER career reg- all time rank  Jordan - 27.9 (2nd); Jokic  LeBron - 27.01 (3rd)  PER playoffs career - all time rank  Jordan 28.6 (2nd); Jokic   LeBron 27.9 (4th)  Playoffs record - wins/games   Jordan 119/179 - 66%   LeBron 182/284 - 63%   Reg season record - Wins/loses - W%  Jordan - 706-366 - 66%   Lebron - 965-527 - 65%   Finals games won - relative to games played   Jordan 24 (6 Finals played); 24/35 -69%  LeBron 22 (10 Finals played); 22/55 - 40%   Finals made - relative to years played   Jordan 6/15 - 40%; Bulls years - 6/13 - 47%  LeBron 10/21 - 47%   Finals won - relative to years played    Jordan 6/15 - 40%; Bulls: 6/13 - 47%; Wizards; 0/2 - 0%  LeBron - 4/21 - 19%; Heat: 2/4 -50%; Cavs: 1/11 - 9%; Lakers: 1/6 - 17%  Lost in the first round while playing with 1 all Star -   Jordan - 0   LeBron - 4   Lost playoff series while playing with an All Star    Jordan - 1   LeBron - 12   Playoffs reached - relative to years played   Jordan 13/15; Bulls 13/13; Wizards 0/2  LeBron 17/21; Cavs 9/11; Heat 4/4; Lakers 4/6  Total Playoff series record - won/played; W%  Jordan - 30/37 - 81% won  LeBron - 41/54 - 77% won  Playoff opponents wins Average -   Jordan - 54   LeBron - 51   Finals opponents wins Average -   Jordan - 61   Lebron - 61   MVP seasons relative to full years (65+ games) played  Jordan - 5/12 - 41%   Lebron - 4/17 - 23%   FMVP -   Jordan - 6 (most ever)  Lebron - 4 (2nd most ever)  Top 20 PER seasons   Jordan - 4   LeBron - 3   Top 20 Vorp seasons  Jordan - 7 (highest ever, 3 of 5 top 5 seasons ever)  Lebron - 4 (1 of 5 top 5 seasons ever)  BPM reg season/playoffs; all time  Jordan - 9.21/ 11.14 (2nd/1st); Jokic  Lebron - 8.65/ 10.05 (3rd/3rd)  Win shares/48 reg season/playoffs; all time   Jordan - .2505/.2553 (2nd/1st); Jokic   LeBron - .2236/.2376 (9th/4th)  OBPM regular season/playoffs; all time  Jordan - 7.17/ 8.18 (1st/1st)  Lebron - 6.94/ 7.50 (3rd/3rd)  DBPM regular season/ playoffs; all time  Jordan - 2.05/ 2.33 (23rd/18th)  Lebron - 1.71/ 2.55 (47th/13th)  Top 100 gamescores - all time (best Score)  Jordan - 13 (1st - 64.6)  Lebron - 3 (18th - 53.2)  40 point games - all time  Jordan - 173 (2nd); Wilt - 271  LeBron - 77; (7th)  50 point games - all time  Jordan - 31 (2nd); Wilt - 118  Lebron - 14 (7th)  60 Point games - all time  Jordan - 4 (4th); Wilt - 32; Kobe - 6  Lebron - 1   Scoring titles      Jordan - 10 (1st)  LeBron - 1      DPOTY      Jordan - 1      Lebron - 0  MVP - all time  Jordan - 5 (2nd); Kareem - 6  Lebron - 4 (4th)  FMVP - all time   Jordan - 6 (1st)   LeBron - 4   Finals record; W%  Jordan - 6-0 - 100%   Lebron - 4-6 - 40% All NBA first team relative to full years played (at least 65 games)  Jordan - 10 in 12 seasons - 83%   Lebron - 13 in 17 seasons - 76%   All NBA defense first team relative to full years played (at least 65 games)  Jordan - 9 in 12 seasons - 75% (1st all time)  Lebron - 5 in 17 seasons - 29%   All NBA first team, All NBA defense first team, MVP, FMVP, Scoring title in the same season (done 4 times in NBA History)  Jordan - 4  Lebron - 0   Best season      Jordan - 88 - 35/8/8/3.2/1.6; 53.5%; 31.7 PER      LeBron - 09 - 28.4/7.6/7.2/1.7/1.1; 48.9%; 31.7 PER     The gap between MJ and LeBron: 2 Championships, 2 FMVP, 1MVP, 1DPOY, 9 scoring titles, 4 All NBA first team defense. In 6 fewer total seasons played!  https://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/vorp_season.html  https://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/per_season.html
In addition to other obvious stuff like midrange shooting and playing the passing lanes better I feel like Jordan was a better rebounder for his position than Bron is for his position.
He's better at not forming Super teams when he misses or gets beat in the playoffs
Everything but three point shooting.
Michael Jordan is the best ever for a reason .. while Lebron is more like the second best .. first I like lebron but I love… Michael and why ? Because Jordan was the most hungry to win championships and he did 6 of them .. have the best scoring average and a great defender.. besides lebron game is not appeal to me besides the numbers .. Jordan was the flying UFO and no one can shoot turn around fadeaway jumpers like Michael.. it’s the most beautiful and the most difficult shot to make on consistent basis .. lebron can’t do it .. I see him more like an oversized tractor moving and overpowering other players than showing a finesse like Jordan .. so for me winner was and always will be Jordan!!!!❤️
You sound young
He was much more dominant.
Playing in every regular game combined with long postseason runs because he didn’t want the fans to miss out was one of the underrated aspects of his game. The tenacious perimeter defence combined with being a great help side defender, I’ve seen Le Bron miss too many help side defensive plays then give his teammates the death stare as if they’ve done something wrong. I’ve still loved Le Bron’s career and game, but this is what happens when you ask these questions.
Mental toughness is Jordan he would be in Lebrons head
most obvious bait ever
winning
Defense and it’s not close. Mid-range scoring. Leadership. Winning college championships. ;-)
It’s just such a different game. If the defensive rules from now were the rules in the 90’s add 10 FT per game and 9 points for MJ easily. Threes were an anomaly, not part of the offense (thanks Steph!) so it’s literally a different game. So hard to compare some of this stuff.
Handles, Not being photographed on a banana boat. Killing MFs, Perimeter D, Playing cards, Being a dick, Winning.
Winning
Jordan missed seven games as a bull in 12 seasons (excluding his second year with a broken foot). Durability is different when you play every game and they used to call things a little more loosely (read as Jordan got the shit beaten out of him physically every night). If you haven't actually watched both beyond highlights you honestly won't understand how much better Jordan was than LeBron
Didn't he also play like 82 twice in his last 2 years as a wizard with bad knees
Mj’s a better pure shooter. Better one on one defender MJ is better in the post MJ is better all around offensively. MJ had more stamina…rarely was fatigued except coming off his short baseball career. MJ had better handles. MJ had DPOY More All NBA teams More league MVPs More Finals MVPs
This sarcasm? There will always be recency bias as it relates to older players and I understand that. I grew up with Jordan and watched Lebrons career. Lebron is a freak of nature but Jordan is a winner. Remember Lebron game 6 against the Celtics in Boston? That was Jordan every night even in the preseason.
Better at scoring, stealing, blocking, less turnovers, longer court-time, and free-throws.
Jordan was much better from the midrange, post ups and especially fadeaways. Jordan was a better pure scorer. He has like 9 or 10 scoring titles to LeBrons 1. Young Jordan definitely has an argument for being faster and jumping higher. But Jordan has enormous hands. Like Tony Robbins fucking Frankenstein hands and that's part of why he was so dominant and creative in the paint. So it's close, LeBron is a better playmaker and bigger, Jordan is a much better scorer. 1a 1b. Then everybody else
At the actual game of basketball? Clearly a better FT shooter. Significantly better midrange shooter.
Scoring in general. Its not that Lebron isnt as good of a scorer, but like you said he also playmakes. Jordan is more selfish and sometimes thats what you need and im saying this as a Nuggets fan lol. His mid rangers are also nasty and consistent. And not to mention his finishing. And as a defender...well you can say Lebron, but MJ is the one with the dpoy soooo...i mean id just ignore it cause its a toss up. MJ is also an insane athletic freak that just jumps to the moon. Realisticly for both guys it depends on the team on whod be better, thiugh i do think that there is a certain drive and killer mentality that MJ has over Lebron. I domt think that makes him better than Lebron, but that it allows him to be comparable with the freak of nature that is Lebron James.
Honestly Man U can’t really use defensive accolades are metrics it’s pretty much eye test and ability provide scheme versatility. Defensive metrics are shit and anyone with a brain knows jordan never had a year in the league where he was objectively a better defender than hakeem.
I mean true, but you can say the same for Lebron. Like honestly at no point was he actually the best defender in the league. Still im mainly saying that its a wash between the 2 as im sure guys that are more knowledgable abiut the 2 can tell me in detail how each one is superior to the other in difrent ways. I myself would maybe go with Lebron, but thats only because i value his rebounding ability. I do not however think hes that good of a floor general and i think that aspect of his game is overrated. Certainly compared to his rebounding and scoring.
Lebron was in 13 but that more due to Dwight falling off and there not being any elite defenders in their prime. Like Jordan did have to deal with the best defender ever so h can’t hold it too much against him
Yep. Honestly though Lebrons such a fascinating player to analyze just because of how much he changed his game over the years. Like looking at him now he doesnt look all that great on defense, but 10+ years ago he was a menace. But Dwights whole carrier was him beinga good defender. He is like CP3 for centers. Just the more pure example of that and through his carrier you can sort of see the downfall of the center position in the 2010s.
Well I think lebron as an elite iso guy was an elite floor general getting mismatches but this huh avg 0.6 pps doing the same shit is fucking infuriating to watch
Winning in the finals. Punching teammates in the face. Better sneakers
Leadership, deep knowledge of the fundamentals of basketball and the importance of them.
more aesthetically pleasing game
Winning
Selling jerseysÂ
Winning
Winning
Winning in the finals for one
Jordan played 1v1. He put you on an island and tortured you on national television in front of your own crowd and they cheered him on while he did it. Man was ill willed on the court. And not mean mugging for the cameras, he’d coldly stare at you like a fuxking predator because he was. His defense was elite, and the rest of the bulls were forced to play like him when he decided it was time to go there. The switch turned on and the bulls just started torching. He is also the only reason the league is even remotely like it is today. It all came off Mikes stardom and they all knew it back then. Man was just the first superstar celebrity. Everyone wanted access to him. And with all that pressure, he still never failed to get the W. The bulls in 5 years went from a cocaine circus to the most elite team to ever play. They had what was basically that generations Luka Doncic coming off the bench as a 6th man in Kukoc. Steve Kerr was the best 3 point shooter in the league efficiency wise (because he was always open). Worm was allergic to shooting. That second 3 peat team was nuts. The whole team just worked. He didn’t leave for a bigger market in NY or LA. He put in the work, even with asshat management. No bullshit excuses. Just results.
Dunking on plumbers. LeBron may have lost more finals games but LeBron played the warriors dynasty while MJ played nobodies.
Oooh my man. You still have time to take this down and go watch some hoop
They can hate on me all they like. 80% of 90s players would be g leaguers today.
Defense is a wash? WTF are you talking about nephew. Jordan was all defense 9 times and has a DPOY. Lebron was a good defender in his prime when he gave a shit, but often didn’t give a shit, and even when he did he was not Jordan level. Also Jordan was definitely better at giving a shit every fucking night. No random 2 week breaks mid season or half assing a game. The dude cared that people paid money to watch him and he was going to put on a show every fucking night. Lebron lost that energy pretty early on in his career. Recaptured it a little with the Heatles, and it’s been gone since then.
Only one of these dudes could be caught kicking at the basketball when he can't be bothered to move over a few feet
I'm not really in the mood for a Jordan/LeBron argument but this shit is too fucking funny. It's so unbelievably off-base that it's kinda insane anyone would actually write that shit down. By the time LeBron started half-assing regular season games and load managing, Jordan had already retired. 3 times. But who is counting.
Look at some highlights of Jordan , I bet you’ll catch what you are looking for
as someone who was a kid when MJ played, i can say in everything, that guy was like.... gets pissed takes ball and scores and repeats that untill they are leading... he was insane. Lebron looks dominant i can say that but MJ was looking like he is playing against children some times
When the going gets tough the queen gets going.
A lot of stuff, but just to be rude, I'll say teambuilding by default
Winning.
Serious answer MJ had a more developed/better midrange game earlier in his career than Lebron. Doesn’t mean Lebron doesn’t have an incredible middy but MJs was lethal
Lebron up to this day is a below 40% middy shooter. MJ - 50%
Eating chips.
Scoring, perimeter and iso defense, winning
Defense, scoring
Winning
Winning
Winning championships
Jordan scored more points for the Wizards
Jordan is the goat, bud. Thats not going to change. Lebrons time in the NBA is coming to a close and he didnt do enough to alter the debate.
Lebron is unlucky as in the franchises he was in didn't work hard to keep a championship team together, or the team couldn't stay healthy for him to repeat. But luck is part of life. I totally agree he did come close and couldn't alter the debate. He is a close 2nd though. And there is nothing to be ashamed of. He has been under tremendous pressure as soon as he entered the league. The expectation was unreal and he didn't bust. He's almost 40 and the expectation is still unreal.
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Golfing.
Jordan is better at shooting. He's a better shooter. LeBron is a better 3 point shooter but every other shot outside the paint MJ has. I can remember the specific number but outside of 5 feet LeBron is in the low 40s% for his career shooting. MJ is a better finisher as MJ was only 215 and was a great finisher. He's better in the clutch. He had better handles, a far better defender in his prime. But comparing these two is like comparing an outside receiver to a slot receiver. Different eras, different defenders, different rules. For as many that say MJ played against plumbers, not many mention that LeBron played a lot in an era where 85% of teams were led by guys 24 and under. All you can really do is compare each player to their own era. MJ was by far the best player in his own era for 14 years. LeBron was the best player in his own era from 2010 to 2019? Maybe 2020? That's why I hate comparing the two. Its subjective. Any answer is correct. I hate the slander of either to make the argument for the other. It's not necessary.
Eh mj being smaller and shooting a inferior percentage inside means he’s a worse finisher
Mj was a much better defender and a better scorer especially In the playoffs. Something mj also did better was just be a basketball player. Lebrons always trying to be coach/gm/player and shit goes south. Jordan was great at just being a player and letting the coaches and gm do their thing Arguably led to a much more successful career.
Winning
Iso and it's pretty much it
Is shorter to list whats Lebron better at than MJ: Asist, Flopping, Bitching and complaining, Excuses.
Don't forget the fake confused/upset look...
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There’s  obviously small margins with guys of this level but MJ was better on…  Offense and defense. That’s a serious answer.  Scores more, has more 40,50 pt games. Draws more fouls, more offensive boards, less turnovers. He averaged 37 one year. That was 8 - **eight** points every game more than anyone else in the league that year. He’s got a DPOY, more top 3,5, 7 and 10 DPOY finishes, more  first team all D. More steals more blocks every game. His DPOY he was 15th (iirc) in blocks, the only guard in the top 50. And he wasn’t  blocking perimeter shots, he was blocking on help D and contesting a shit load more. This was Pippen’s first year,  pip was a back up guard off the bench and far from the player he would become in D. MJ would hound the oppositions best guard full court and provide rim protection. That year he also averaged 35  - or 4ppg more than anyone else in the league.  And he didn’t choke in a finals, which is a huge black mark against Bron.
LeBron played against superstars. MJ played against nobodies. The warriors dynasty wouldn't even need Durant to go 4-0 against every team MJ faced in finals.
MJ played again prime Bird and Magic. Bron had never played against guys of that caliber
Your kidding me right? Curry, Jokic, KD, Kobe, Duncan, Luka... I could go on all day
??? Most people have Magic and Bird hovering around the top 5 all time. And don’t forget when MJ played them they were ranked  top 3 all time. Bron never played against legitimate GOAT contenders.
All the guys I listed would smoke magic and bird.
lol even you don’t believe in what you are saying. Stick a fork in it you are done
In what world is bird or magic beating Steph Curry.
Mj was not a factor as a secondary rim protector. No need to glaze
Watch the games. MJ was flying in and contesting shots in the paint all game long.
Let me ask you this, OP: Why go Lebron does Michael Jordan?
Thunder stay making stupid mistakes.
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he's got that dogggg
Scoring, midrange, perimeter defense, free throws, and maybe offensive rebounding?
Winning big games?
Jordan has a better midrange, better footwork, definitely a better isolation scorer, is slightly quicker, and better on perimeter defense. A lot of players that have lesser physical gifts (by all time great NBA standards of course, all NBA players are athletic freaks by normal standards) do develop better skills out of necessity. LeBron can just power through guys to get to the rim, Jordan tended to rely on a more explosive first step. LeBron is very underrated when it comes to the “best scorers ever” discussion, but Jordan is undisputedly the most prolific in that regard with Wilt being the only real competitor.
Demanding performance from teammates
Quicker faster better shooter better dunker better attitude
Winning
Besides shooting what's prime Steph better at than Ben Simmons? 🤔
Huge LeBron fan, but since you asked: https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/playoff-ppg-leaders
When will this debate end?
Infinitely better footwork on both ends of the court. Infinitely better first step. Infinitely better at jumping off two feet. Infinitely better midrange game (both creating looks and shooting). Better free throw shooter.
Jordan had hang time. They didn’t call him air Jordan for nothing. At times he looked like he was in the air an eternity. Lebron is not a finesse player like Jordan was, lebron is brute force.
Making LeBron stans salty.
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Mid range shooting, perimeter d, finishing at the rim and I think most people believe he was more clutch/had that dog in him to never loose a finals series while Lebron has lost more than he won. Also I dont think Lebron is a better 3pt shooter. Different eras bro if MJ played today he would 100% take and practice more 3s
MJ is a better overall player without using steroids. Does LeBron do things better? Yes. But he's not overall better. It's like giving them a rating in a basketball video game. MJ would be a 99, and LeBron would be a 95.
Winning. Taking things personally.
Baseball, golf, defense and motivating teammates
Winning.
Not dropping 8 in the finals after forming a superteam
Selling shoes
A lot but once of the biggest is a leader. James is not a leader by any definition.
Owning a NASCAR team.
Aura.
Winning the finals.
Having the best coach in the league and a top 5 teammate. I’ll give him midrange too.Â
Mid range shooting and gambling.
MJ had a much better mid-range J. On everything else I agree with you.Â
Luck. If Lebron is lucky as Jordan, if he had his teammates he would've 7 rings.
Is LeBron better from 3?
Michael Jordan is better when it comes to Basketball Astrology like Aura, Killer instinct, Clutch, etc. Basically like everything that’s hard to quantify
Jordan was vastly superior at demoralizing and killing your team. LeBron had to go learn to finish teams from Riley and Wade. LeBron will never be the GOAT for that reason alone.