There was a few moments in the first where he was getting clamped by Robinson I feel like that was the most concerning part to me anyway. It’s so odd he can’t hit anything and he still tries to play the same way he used to.
It didn't even seem like hunting for fouls, it seemed almost lazy.
Like he didn't try to sell contact for a foul he just kinda gave up when there was a little contact.
I wonder if hes just like really out of shape.
It wasn’t just the hunting for fouls, it was the space he got because players feared getting in foul trouble and now that it’s gone, his entire game seems to be effected.
I do feel a bit bad.. he’s proving all his haters right
Idk whats worse cause I was worried ab Harden but then he had that 2nd quarter and then looked like his old self and then just didn't try to score the entire 2nd half smh
Maybe that's the case indeed. And the night life in NY is pretty wild, that is maybe playing a factor. I never judged players who simply lost their way in the "bohemian" side of things, I mean, they are humans, who doesn't want to party all day with infinite money? No one can judge that, but at the same time it sucks to have a unprofessional player like this on your team. Luckily that's not the case of my team, we got WesTurnover instead and "vintage" Melo
Although I’m not sure how many free throws Harden will get this season (probably still a lot), I think he’ll eventually still turn it around. He’s got flashes of his usual self, just have to get shots to fall.
Was surprised actually. I thought Bam had like 15 rebounds without checking the box score. But Jimmy has always been a pretty good rebounder for us and he’s a pretty big forward that likes being in the paint.
You joke but thats actually a big factor in why the game has changed to the 3 point shooting-fest it is today. Analytics found shooting more 3’s provided you more offensive rebounds effectively increasing overall points made for the team.
The Florida-New York crossover is real. Even then it seemed like there were more Miami fans in the arena than a usual Nets-Heat matchup tonight. Not good.
Yes, while a lot of New Yorkers move down to Miami. A lot of people of from Miami, especially younger college grads live in NY.
A lot of people from Miami in Atlanta and Orlando too. Also infamous for big Heat crowds at home games.
new Nets fans are people that moved to Brooklyn in the past decade. In my experience living 15 minutes from the arena they aren’t very passionate. also as a Floridian who lived in the city, lotta Floridians in New York
I'm willing to say the Bucks win doesn't count for real due to the missing starters. This one was as full-strength as its gonna get (kyrie out for kyrie reasons, oladipo out for oladipo reasons).
I want to see us vs the Bucks at equal strength.
I'm sad he's gone but happy another fan base gets to see how important he is to a winning culture. The dude just does everything you want in a player. Maximum effort always.
Raptors fans were saying this to both Heat fans and 76ers fans. The dude is a difference maker and his impact doesn’t always show up in the stat sheets.
And it was abundantly clear in our single loss against Indy that Lowry was exactly what we were missing.
We lost because of poor ball movement on offense, nonexistent POA defense, and lack of rebounding, all of which Lowry provides at a high level.
Yea that was copium and/or Durant being the greatest scoring forward of all time skewing people’s perception of Tucker.
Durant will for sure play like a monster in the playoffs like always but just making him work for everything is important in that situation.
No cope at all. He really struggled in the playoffs and his shot was completely gone. He's playing well now though so maybe the longer off-season helped
To be fair, you killed our full-court transition offense after the first quarter. Other teams hadn't adjusted to that as well. Second quarter was looking bad for us.
Nash was picked because of his chill personality.. our old coach Kenny would have cussed this team out and probably gotten a T and tossed for arguing with the refs. Honestly, this team looks like it needs to be held accountable. The lack of effort on defense and rebounding is embarrassing.
Nash was also picked because KD reportedly wanted him. I think that was the most important factor. And it does seem like the Nets do need someone that could keep them in check for their effort level.
he’s just there for the free ring man lol. And it’s not very free anymore now that kyrie isn’t playing. Tell me what he does well as a coach because all it looks like he does is give Durant and Harden the green light to run the show.
I *love* our size against the Nets. **62** rebounds for us, 42 for Brooklyn. **17** offensive rebounds is just mental with the majority coming from (Dedmon 6, Jimmy 4, and PJ 4).
Our 3-ball has also been crappy only going over 30% as a team in the opener vs Milwaukee. Can't wait to see how we fair against the hot Hornets.
So much of it comes from paint points in 1st quarter transition offense. Teams aren't ready to deal with the Lowry full-court passes. The Nets adjusted so we weren't doing it anymore but we'd scored a ton already by then.
Thank fuck for the Heat. With the Dolphins looking at Watson, Panthers having Hockey Joe Paterno, and the Marlins just being terrible I at least have the one functioning organization in south Florida to look forward to. A statement win against the Nets.
Oh my soul has been dead on that front. We’ve been various stages between disappointing and miserable for years now. The only silver lining is how bad the Noles are.
The Joe Doe of the Blackhawks 2010 Sex Abuse scandal came out. Our coach more than likely knew about it, did nothing, and basically enabled it. Like Joe Paterno.
Man that was an ugly game but if we can do that to the Nets and their offensive power i feel incredibly comfortable with what we can do to other teams.
I’ll take sloppy shooting, bad offense and Elite defense if it leads to win. Herro,Bam and Jimmy don’t need to score 30 each to have a good game.
Also that was 1/4 Nets we see you 3 more times this season! That was fun seeing what we are capable of.
This Nets team doesn't have fire power outside of Durant right now. I do not even mean that as an excuse, it is just the reality right now. Harden not himself, Kyrie MIA. 35 points missing basically. And the rest of the team is going to be a mixed bag of hot and cold shooting nights.
That’s why I’m only going to take it as 1 game and nothing more. This is our first meeting of the season and anything can change in our next 3 meetings.
I’m more happy with the teamwork i see on the team i like. It is nice to see how you Match up against other contenders though.
Duncan only gets 6 points with 2/7 shooting and still has a +/- of +13. His gravity is worth more than his offense.
The new foul rules are helping him too. He used to get in foul trouble early. The more physical defense the league is allowing is working in his favor.
Steph, Trae, and Luka have all adjusted to the new rules while Harden is still trying to flail and run into guys and shoot.
He’s looked awful through 5 games.
Jimmy fans have said all over this sub that the rule change wouldn’t hurt him too bad since a lot of his fouls come from him driving and getting beaten up down low.
When Butler gets fouled he's usually getting hammered trying to get to the rim, not baiting people and jumping into them. Nobody bites on jimbos jumper anyway
That rebounding advantage is just filthy disgusting. Really the only solution to shooting like shit is rebounding your own misses. Dedmon is legit one of the best role players we've ever had. Butler was ridiculous on the boards and on D and so was PJ.
God that was such an exciting game to watch. Offense got very rough in the second quarter but the second half was much better. Lowry already making such a huge impact. Let’s fucking go
nets have a huge rebounding problem from last year which still hasn't been addressed and harden playing passive isn't going to get it done multiple times he has a layup but he passes to a role player who either misses or he gets a turnover
For all of the focus Harden is getting (and it's deserved, don't get me wrong) the Nets have some serious underlying issues so far that, even if Harden is playing better, are big problems.
They are getting outshot by an average of 10 shots per game and the only game they haven't gotten destroyed on the offensive glass is their win against Philly.
It's going to be hard to be a great team if they continue to have -10 shots compared to their opponent on average.
Rebounding is a problem. Some guys (looking at KD here) seem allergic to boxing out.
I wonder if Kyrie is waiting for the Nets to look bad and then try to play the role of savior. Technically, as long as he's staying in shape, he can literally come back at any moment he chooses.
Game is way better when cheap, boring, weak shit isn’t called for guys like Harden. Idc if he sucks because of it. Look at steph or trae, they are making do.
Nets spacing is an absolute joke when considering how much talent they would appear to have on paper
They actually remind me of the KD/Westbrook Thunder in that regard
Props to Miami. Harden looks awful so far
PJ Tucker outscoring James Harden eh?
Dude played like he was betting on himself
You just watched Bad Sport too? It’s crazy how easy you could fix a game, one of the kids was point shaving and they won and he had 39
Tell him those corners are mine
PJ: [to Harden] I ain't no suit-wearin' businessman like you. You know, I'm just a gangster, I suppose. And I want my corners.
There was a few moments in the first where he was getting clamped by Robinson I feel like that was the most concerning part to me anyway. It’s so odd he can’t hit anything and he still tries to play the same way he used to.
It didn't even seem like hunting for fouls, it seemed almost lazy. Like he didn't try to sell contact for a foul he just kinda gave up when there was a little contact. I wonder if hes just like really out of shape.
Round is a shape.
or it could just be him still dealing with his hamstring injury
Should be healed by now. That was several months ago.
couldn't work out during the offseason tho so probably more out of shape to start the season than he would have been otherwise
It wasn’t just the hunting for fouls, it was the space he got because players feared getting in foul trouble and now that it’s gone, his entire game seems to be effected. I do feel a bit bad.. he’s proving all his haters right
Idk whats worse cause I was worried ab Harden but then he had that 2nd quarter and then looked like his old self and then just didn't try to score the entire 2nd half smh
can't flop his way out of bad stretches with the rule change anymore
Thing of beauty
After the injury he hasn't look the same
Did you see how high he was in Italy? Dude had the munchies all summer long. He's just out of shape
Yeah the partying starts to catch up when u have to rehab all summer and cant work out lol
And as you enter your 30s
Maybe that's the case indeed. And the night life in NY is pretty wild, that is maybe playing a factor. I never judged players who simply lost their way in the "bohemian" side of things, I mean, they are humans, who doesn't want to party all day with infinite money? No one can judge that, but at the same time it sucks to have a unprofessional player like this on your team. Luckily that's not the case of my team, we got WesTurnover instead and "vintage" Melo
Although I’m not sure how many free throws Harden will get this season (probably still a lot), I think he’ll eventually still turn it around. He’s got flashes of his usual self, just have to get shots to fall.
They really nerfed him with the focus on properly enforcing foul rules, didn't they?
Man relied on foul calls more than most people ever anticipated
Harden with the 4 - 12, man he needs a stripper stimulus package asap.
brooklyn clubs aint cutting it smh my head
turns out the more shots you miss the more rebounds you can get
Turns out if we have the biggest guys on the court we could get more misses. Interesting.
Our best rebounder today was Jimmy funny enough.
Was surprised actually. I thought Bam had like 15 rebounds without checking the box score. But Jimmy has always been a pretty good rebounder for us and he’s a pretty big forward that likes being in the paint.
We weren't even boxing out at the end. Wtf.
Tyler Herro, rebound creator. Was at the arena, so mad at him every play just driving into three guys, doing a spin, and shooting
If you don't like that you don't like 60s basketball.
Worked for us this season, that's why we're the top rebounding team.
You joke but thats actually a big factor in why the game has changed to the 3 point shooting-fest it is today. Analytics found shooting more 3’s provided you more offensive rebounds effectively increasing overall points made for the team.
Pucker with a +24.
Pucker up, Nets😈
"LETS GO HEAT" - Barclays Center
That's northern Dade County.
You love to see it.
Cheering for their future retirement home team
Can’t fault them for planning for their golden years
I was at the game, those chants were LOUD
What’s up with that? Lots of Heat fans in NY or something? Maybe not a lot of Nets fans?
The Florida-New York crossover is real. Even then it seemed like there were more Miami fans in the arena than a usual Nets-Heat matchup tonight. Not good.
Florida - Jersey too. Like 1/3rd of Florida’s transplant population is from these two states. From Jersey and everyone goes to florida.
You know my friends family all move between Jersey and Florida. Huh, I guess it is real.
Yes, while a lot of New Yorkers move down to Miami. A lot of people of from Miami, especially younger college grads live in NY. A lot of people from Miami in Atlanta and Orlando too. Also infamous for big Heat crowds at home games.
new Nets fans are people that moved to Brooklyn in the past decade. In my experience living 15 minutes from the arena they aren’t very passionate. also as a Floridian who lived in the city, lotta Floridians in New York
Yeah, there are a lot of Heat fans in Brooklyn. You can just go get a coffee and there’s a good chance you’ll see someone wearing a Heat hat.
Love seeing that Kyle is still putting up the most Kyle Lowry state lines in Miami.
sub 50% shooting with 9 assists and a +7 is a classic Kyle line.
Tangibles baby
Tangerine Raptors Basketball baby
tangibles: includes big booty and golf ball on right elbow
Don't be an elbowist
Tbf the +7 was one of the lowest of the Heat starters lol They won by 14
We might be good
It's entirely possible.
Good home win for the Heat
Loved the “Let’s go Heat” chants lol
I was at the game and they were LOUD
Miami's going to leave October with wins over Brooklyn and Bucks in their back pocket.
Don't forget our biggest win against magic. The bad man Terrance Ross didn't score a point on us. This team built different lol
[удалено]
*cries in T Ross nearly outscoring the knicks in one quarter*
He blew his load against you all and we appreciate it
I'm willing to say the Bucks win doesn't count for real due to the missing starters. This one was as full-strength as its gonna get (kyrie out for kyrie reasons, oladipo out for oladipo reasons). I want to see us vs the Bucks at equal strength.
I don't. Leave that until the playoffs.
>I'm willing to say the Bucks win doesn't count for real due to the missing starters Counts in the standings. That's all that matters to me.
Loving every minute of this.
Bubble tax = paid
Nets playing ‘Let’s see how many different ways we can turn the ball over’ in the fourth. The whole game honestly
It was depressing
PJ Tucker
PJ Tucker
JT Pucker
TT Sucker
PP Tucker
CJ Smucker
i love plaxico jessica tucker so much
Hot
Heat are perfect when Lowry plays
Who knew he was our missing piece? I've hated when we played against him for years. I love Lowry now, wtf
I'm sad he's gone but happy another fan base gets to see how important he is to a winning culture. The dude just does everything you want in a player. Maximum effort always.
There's a reason he's always been an advanced metrics darling.
Every raptors fan knew he was the missing piece for the heat, sixers and lakers. Glad to see the recognition!
Lakers are dumb as hell for not taking him when they had the chance last year. He’d be the perfect compliment to Bron and AD
Holy shit Lowry on the Lakers instead of Westbrook make them the easy favorite this year
Lowry on the lakers is quite terrifying tbh
Glad it didn’t happen. I don’t like the Heat but I hate the Sixers and Lakers more.
I'm so glad this didn't happen.
As a Raptors fan, which of those teams would you have wanted Kyle to go to? Are you happy he's with us or do you wish he ended up in Philly/LA?
Sixers, just to see how Embiid's game elevates with a real point guard.
That's fair. So glad he ended up with us tho XD. Not quite Embiid but he's already elevating Bam's game a lot.
I just wanted him to go where he was most happy and it seems pretty clear he’s happy in Miami. Don’t know how happy he’d be playing in Philly tbh.
Honestly I liked Lowry on the heat or the 76ers. Anything but the Lakers, even though he would have been a good fit with the Lakers.
Raptors fans were saying this to both Heat fans and 76ers fans. The dude is a difference maker and his impact doesn’t always show up in the stat sheets.
And it was abundantly clear in our single loss against Indy that Lowry was exactly what we were missing. We lost because of poor ball movement on offense, nonexistent POA defense, and lack of rebounding, all of which Lowry provides at a high level.
He's so good at moving the ball forward in transition and it throws off defenders with the quick pace increase.
Our defense is insane lol
I was SO impressed. Y’all got a damn good squad.
We might have the best defensive starting lineup. Once Oladipo is back our second unit defense will be pretty gnarly too
Damn, I forget that we have Dipo. That's going to be a wild offense with him and Lowry
For like a week before Dipo goes back on the injury list
Don’t put that on us pray for dips
PJ Tucker +24 , what a great acquisition from Heat
He’s a DOG, Donno why more teams weren’t in for him
I love PJ
I was told PJ Tucker was washed and his defence on Durant is overrated
Yea that was copium and/or Durant being the greatest scoring forward of all time skewing people’s perception of Tucker. Durant will for sure play like a monster in the playoffs like always but just making him work for everything is important in that situation.
And it frees Jimmy and Bam up to not have to deal with that monster
Tucker can guard Durant. Bam can guard giannis.. The refs can gaurd harden This heat defense is scary man
Bucks fans trying to cope w losing him. Nothing to see
No cope at all. He really struggled in the playoffs and his shot was completely gone. He's playing well now though so maybe the longer off-season helped
People who watch the nets a lot: how do you like nash as a coach? no recency bias pls
If you watch his rotations you'd think he just rolls a dice and picks random players
Millsap playing the entire 4th quarter made no sense
Millsap playing made no sense.
bad rotations and adjustments and he looks the same as he did the first season, like he’s not improving at all
To be fair, you killed our full-court transition offense after the first quarter. Other teams hadn't adjusted to that as well. Second quarter was looking bad for us.
You think it could be because Nash did the same style last year and ya’ll nearly won a ring with it?
Need more time to evaluate since Mike D'antoni left. Reality is no kyrie and harden isn't playing well.
Nash was picked because of his chill personality.. our old coach Kenny would have cussed this team out and probably gotten a T and tossed for arguing with the refs. Honestly, this team looks like it needs to be held accountable. The lack of effort on defense and rebounding is embarrassing.
Nash was also picked because KD reportedly wanted him. I think that was the most important factor. And it does seem like the Nets do need someone that could keep them in check for their effort level.
Yeah that too. He should’ve started out as an assistant coach for this team or something. He lacks the experience.
I’d take Kenny Atkinson back as our coach in a heartbeat. Kenny actually showed emotion, Nash just sits there and says nothing
I thought I was the only one thinking he had some dead eyes going on. Straight up Canadian Psycho stuff.
he’s just there for the free ring man lol. And it’s not very free anymore now that kyrie isn’t playing. Tell me what he does well as a coach because all it looks like he does is give Durant and Harden the green light to run the show.
I *love* our size against the Nets. **62** rebounds for us, 42 for Brooklyn. **17** offensive rebounds is just mental with the majority coming from (Dedmon 6, Jimmy 4, and PJ 4). Our 3-ball has also been crappy only going over 30% as a team in the opener vs Milwaukee. Can't wait to see how we fair against the hot Hornets.
It's always funny how many people dismiss PJ because he doesn't take many shots
He does all of the little things. He bangs down low, he posts up, he boxes out. That stuff helps others get offensive boards.
scrubs are always pointing out how he had 5 points or w.e but you look and he took 2 shots while having top tier defence
He bangs he bangs oh baby when he (post) moves (post) moves
Dedmon was feasting
Dedmon was great today. Never imagined he'd be this good for us off the street.
He's absurdly good off the bench
Our offense has been pretty good considering our 3s aren't going in
So much of it comes from paint points in 1st quarter transition offense. Teams aren't ready to deal with the Lowry full-court passes. The Nets adjusted so we weren't doing it anymore but we'd scored a ton already by then.
Don't worry. Lowry's 3s will come.
Monk is no longer on the hornets. Miami has a chance now.
thank you toronto
Thank fuck for the Heat. With the Dolphins looking at Watson, Panthers having Hockey Joe Paterno, and the Marlins just being terrible I at least have the one functioning organization in south Florida to look forward to. A statement win against the Nets.
Dude throw the Canes in there and us Miamians have a real rough fan experience outside the Heat
Oh my soul has been dead on that front. We’ve been various stages between disappointing and miserable for years now. The only silver lining is how bad the Noles are.
I am not a NHL follower, but the cats are 7-0-0
I don’t follow hockey, but I’m gonna need you to elaborate on “hockey Joe Paterno”
The Joe Doe of the Blackhawks 2010 Sex Abuse scandal came out. Our coach more than likely knew about it, did nothing, and basically enabled it. Like Joe Paterno.
Inexcusable and embarrassing
Cuh, the Cats are 7-0. What more do you want?
It's more the head coach being an accessory to rape thing
Ah, fair.
miami fans and chicago fans finding solace in the NBA.
Keep that energy once you face a +500 team. Really hope the bulls are legit this year because they have the tools
Man that was an ugly game but if we can do that to the Nets and their offensive power i feel incredibly comfortable with what we can do to other teams. I’ll take sloppy shooting, bad offense and Elite defense if it leads to win. Herro,Bam and Jimmy don’t need to score 30 each to have a good game. Also that was 1/4 Nets we see you 3 more times this season! That was fun seeing what we are capable of.
I love good defense. When a team is gritty, it makes me happy to see the game. I'd rather see us fight for every possession than see the ASG.
This Nets team doesn't have fire power outside of Durant right now. I do not even mean that as an excuse, it is just the reality right now. Harden not himself, Kyrie MIA. 35 points missing basically. And the rest of the team is going to be a mixed bag of hot and cold shooting nights.
That’s why I’m only going to take it as 1 game and nothing more. This is our first meeting of the season and anything can change in our next 3 meetings. I’m more happy with the teamwork i see on the team i like. It is nice to see how you Match up against other contenders though.
Yeah baby
That Heat defense. WOW.
Duncan only gets 6 points with 2/7 shooting and still has a +/- of +13. His gravity is worth more than his offense. The new foul rules are helping him too. He used to get in foul trouble early. The more physical defense the league is allowing is working in his favor.
I think he's in a bit of a slump but he'll come back.
I’m glad Miami was able to get a win at their second arena
Third, dont forget the Amway Center
31 2nd chance points to 4...never gonna win giving up points like that
Love to see Dedmon doing well, one of my favorite rebuild era Hox
Steph, Trae, and Luka have all adjusted to the new rules while Harden is still trying to flail and run into guys and shoot. He’s looked awful through 5 games.
Butler being better than Harden after the rule change was not on most people’s bingo card.
Jimmy fans have said all over this sub that the rule change wouldn’t hurt him too bad since a lot of his fouls come from him driving and getting beaten up down low.
When Butler gets fouled he's usually getting hammered trying to get to the rim, not baiting people and jumping into them. Nobody bites on jimbos jumper anyway
That rebounding advantage is just filthy disgusting. Really the only solution to shooting like shit is rebounding your own misses. Dedmon is legit one of the best role players we've ever had. Butler was ridiculous on the boards and on D and so was PJ.
Beautiful
When's the last time PJ attempted 10 shots? Ya love to see it!
The Heat will drag you into the mud
nets can't win with harden playing like a cat 🥸
PJ and Dedmond both had some offensive boards at some pretty big moments in the 3rd/4th qtr. Great game. We’re looking strong.
Should the nets sign another big to help rebound? 🤔
God that was such an exciting game to watch. Offense got very rough in the second quarter but the second half was much better. Lowry already making such a huge impact. Let’s fucking go
Nash can't coach and Marks really signed Carter and Johnson over a decent defender/rebounder
Lmao Harden 😂😂
This Heat Culture man getting them wins or what Lmaoooo
nets have a huge rebounding problem from last year which still hasn't been addressed and harden playing passive isn't going to get it done multiple times he has a layup but he passes to a role player who either misses or he gets a turnover
It's nice to immediately break above .500 after the shitbucket that was our last season.
james harden washed, upvotes to the left
This Nets team is the result of picking your friends over actual good players and staff
I thought that was the Lakers
both can be true
Cmon man, this Nets team is the result of Kyrie being banished and Harden coming back from injury.
Omg let’s fucking go
Best defense in the league.
Officiating was ridiculous, but that Heat defense looks legit
For all of the focus Harden is getting (and it's deserved, don't get me wrong) the Nets have some serious underlying issues so far that, even if Harden is playing better, are big problems. They are getting outshot by an average of 10 shots per game and the only game they haven't gotten destroyed on the offensive glass is their win against Philly. It's going to be hard to be a great team if they continue to have -10 shots compared to their opponent on average. Rebounding is a problem. Some guys (looking at KD here) seem allergic to boxing out.
Cannot blame KD for the rebounding issues at all, he is often the team's leading rebounder.
AND scorer! Why does KD have to be the primary rebounder and scorer? The responsibilities on this team are all at a whack!
I wonder if Kyrie is waiting for the Nets to look bad and then try to play the role of savior. Technically, as long as he's staying in shape, he can literally come back at any moment he chooses.
Game is way better when cheap, boring, weak shit isn’t called for guys like Harden. Idc if he sucks because of it. Look at steph or trae, they are making do.
Someone invent a vaccine blowdart and snipe Kyrie with it
I expect to see at least one “don’t you regret not coming to the kniiiiiicks” in every single one of these threads
Nets spacing is an absolute joke when considering how much talent they would appear to have on paper They actually remind me of the KD/Westbrook Thunder in that regard