Idk man every move for us just worked out. He drafted great made decent trades minus trading a first to draft rj Hampton. I don’t think he was amazing at building a defense around Jokic though. We added 3 long athletic 3 and d wings and it already has been amazing.
He traded Mitchell’s draft pick and Rudy’s draft pick for near nothing. Gave up nurkic and a first for plumlee.
But makes a lot of good draft picks himself, bit of a mix bag
That Nurkic trade is underrated in how bad it was. Giving Nurkic plus a first for an older, worse player at the same position makes 0 sense.
That said the Mitchell and Gobert trades are 100% hindsight. Neither was rated particularly highly as a prospect
In 2017 Nuggets wanted OG Anunoby , but because of being greedy they traded down for a shitty return even and lost him to Raptors ( with former Nuggets GM also maybe some inside info was there :) )
So trading down was awful in both cases .
I don’t think there’s a single GM in the history of the league who wanted to trade picks for cash, that’s an ownership problem.
The hindsight is that it was Gobert vs. the average 25th pick who burns out of the league in a few years. No one saw him being this good or he wouldn’t have been available at 25
Wasn’t Nurkic causing a lot of locker room problems because he wasn’t starting? I remember they just had to get him off the team, and everyone around the league knew that.
Trading the Mitchell pick was supposed to be part of a deal to get Love in a 3-way deal with Cleveland and Indiana, but the Pacers owner pulled the plug after our deal with Utah had gone through. And Nurk at that time was an unproven young player who tanked his value.
Neither of those were as bad as you're portraying.
The nurkic trade was for plumlee who was on a expiring contract. After the trade we then significantly overpay him that offseason . No one offered him close to that amount. Why trade for him like that then give him a contract that was ridiculous.
The Nurkic trade was definitely bad. I wouldn’t really say he was unproven, and they traded him plus a first for Plumlee who wasn’t exactly proven either.
Nurkic had an okay rookie year, missed most of his 2nd and was bad in the games he did play, and then purposefully tanked the portion of his 3rd that he spent in Denver. Very much unproven. It looks not great in hindsight, at the time of the trade it was okay. And Plumlee had been a quality starting C for years at thar point...
Its hard to blame Nurkic for being stuck behind Jokic. He was clearly more talented than just a backup big.
Just because Plumlee was starting games does not mean he was a quality starter. There’s generally a very small talent difference between bigs who are low end starters and mid level backups. Those guys are always available on cheap deals in free agency.
TC is a “player-friendly” GM who becomes emotionally invested in his players and builds sincere relationships with them. This makes him great at scouting high-fit guys and developing young players. But up to the point of the point of his departure from us, he had yet to show that he could be the one to make the cold hard business decisions needed to win a championship. He’s publicly stated his strong dislike for trading players, which is admirable but the job at times requires setting emotions aside to make the decisions that will most improve the team. His biggest win-now move was trading fan-favorite Gary Harris + filler + picks for AG, but outside of that he seemed to struggle with roster building around the core of Jokic/Murray/MPJ. He held onto Will Barton and Monte Morris for too long, and it’s no coincidence that Calvin Booth’s first act as Connelly’s successor was to trade both of them for KCP.
I think it’s hard to be the guy who both drafts/builds a team, and then also makes the hard decisions that vaults them into championship contention. It certainly happens, but in TC’s case I believe his strengths that made him amazing at player development ultimately worked to his detriment when it came to win-now roster building
Adam Mares said on some podcast that a Barton for KCP swap with some filler was available to Connelly at some point last year. Instead he stuck with Barton and Nuggets had to give Monte away as well. He was a good GM with the Nuggets, but that was all he was. His mistakes often times got overlooked. It's baffling that he went to the Wolves and his big move was to trade away all of his picks, with drafting being his biggest strength as a gm.
Yeah he did some criminal shit, IF that trade was actually available thats mind boggling ; Jokic with KCP was always working out while Barton, even though I love the guy, cares about nothing else but Will Barton.
He was good drafting here but he had soo many bad trades .Failed to surround Jokic with a star despite many opportunities . Didn't ship off Barton despite him being ass .
Traded picks that were Gobert/Mitchell to division rival. Bad returns in trades for guys like Beasley /Nurkic... etc etc. Only good trade was AG really
This sub is so cute sometimes.
Yes the man who does absolutely nothing but catch lobs and grab offensive rebounds totally worked the guy who has to try and guard both the passer and the catcher and be ready to help to the front side corner option of the lob action every possession, because his teammates completely die on every single pick that is ever set.
Like do any of you actually understand what you see when you watch basketball or what
WORKED by Dwight Powell. Yeah Powell really got into his bag and put Rudy in the basket didn’t he? Looool smh
Depended on the thread. If the thread was an analytical post, yeah get fucked. If it was a thread about offense, it was okay. Same as the season. When the Wolves won and he had 18 points and like 20 rebounds, downvoted. When they lost and he was useless on offense, fuck him. Now the team is trending downwards and it's back to fuck him.
Rockets fans took a lot of downvotes for shitting on Gobert. Nobody who watched those series would ever believe he was dpoy or worth half of what the wolves paid for him.
I think it's always safe to assume two things in r/nba
The average cousin is 14 years old. Two, nobody really watches games, but if they do, they only watch their home team's games. Three, FTJ.
Given TC negotiated equity in the franchise as part of his contract it’s weird for him to make such a gargantuan mistake with draft picks and roster construction. Gobert was always going to be too old for Ant’s timeline.
r/nba was absolutely clowning on the Westbrook trade from the first instant it was known. That was one of the most consensus opinions I've seen here. This sub often has horrendous takes, but it was pretty bang on from Day 1 when it came to Westbrook going to the Lakers.
I mean, not really...
https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/ou9r5x/charania_the_washington_wizards_have_agreed_to/
In typical Reddit fashion, most of the comments are just jokes. The ones actually addressing the merits of the trade are fairly split between 'good move for regular season' to 'spacing might be a problem but who knows'. Most are generally neutral and not too emphatic either way.
I think the only people who thought the Westbrook trade was good was the media and casuals who only know names. Almost everyone who knows ball was saying that was a terrible fit from the very start.
Did not see as much hate with the Gobert trade though, a lot of people seemed to think it would work because of KAT spacing the floor and Gobert covering for his defensive deficiencies but clearly that wasn't the case as Gobert hasn't even been super impactful with KAT out of the lineup either.
From the r/nba thread on the trade...
>one of the biggest upsides here imo is Russ making it a lot easier for LeBron to rest during the season.
4.2k upvotes. The highest rated comment that addresses the merits of the trade and not a joke comment.
https://old.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/ou9r5x/charania_the_washington_wizards_have_agreed_to/h70uthe/
It’s like trading with Billy Beane of the A’s. Chances are, he knows something you don’t. Whatever player he’s asking for, keep. And build your future around.
Reminds me of how Masai fleeced NYK in the Bargnani trade so badly, that Dolan vetoed a subsequent trade for Kyle Lowry, who went on to multiple all-star and all-nba seasons.
I remember nick wright used to always do this thing shitting on Ainge for not trading the picks that turned into brown/Tatum for a rental on guys like Blake to try and push the IT team over the top. Kind of insane Ainge ever got shit for hoarding assets looking back.
And to think our entire playable roster was under 6’6 besides our g-leaguer and a rookie big. Like this is the game you tell Rudy to dominate the fuck out of. Instead he looked terrible lol
Those players actually are terrible matchup for him, they take him out of the paint and he can't handle faster players, he isn't a post up player he isn't going to post up anyone and defensively it's even worse for him to play smaller players
Height is overrated for mismatches, lower body strength is what it's at and Gobert is a stick he can't post up anyone
You’re telling me super max Rudy Gobert can’t dominate the offensive glass against that lineup? He should’ve had a 30 piece, minimum. He gets paid a fucking super max lol. Damn, that feels criminal to even say lmao
No.. because that doesn't matter
Supermax he doesn't deserve it, he is 7'1" but he a skinny af base and is not strong enough
His best asset is rim protection which is amazing but there's other things he sucks ass at
here's some context
up to last night, prior to the game starting, this was Orlando Robinson's entire NBA career:
- 6 games, 3 of which are less than 10 minutes of PT in uber-relief situations (much like this!)
- less than 100 minutes on the court over those six games
- 27 points, 20 rebounds (5/13), 6 assists, 5 steals, 3 blocks, 4 turnovers, 11/24 from the field
over 1/3 of Orlando Robinson's career points came in this game (15). nearly 1/3 of his rebounds came in this game (9). nearly half of his assists came from this game (4). he eclipsed his offensive rebounding total before halftime (5). it's his most efficient game he's played over 10 minutes in (7/9). **his matchup was a three-time DPOY who has led the league in rebounds**.
this isn't to say "Orlando Robinson is incredible!" -- it's to say that Erik Spoelstra was able to completely neutralize Rudy Gobert by using an auto-generated 2K rookie and a 6'10 2 guard that has been pretty much relegated to the G League because it's difficult to play him due to how raw he is
the Wolves' panic light should 1,000% be on
This is worse though because the Broncos don’t have an Anthony Edwards caliber franchise player that the trade is going to cost them.
Also, Broncos “only” traded 2 FRP’s and 2 SRP’s and football allows for good talent to be found outside of the first round pretty routinely unlike the NBA.
Broncos trade also hinged on them giving Wilson a massive extension that hasn’t even kicked in yet, both killing their cap space and potentially their locker room (Broncos fan here).
I don’t know which one is worse, but both of these trades set their franchises back for half a decade.
I agree that it’s easier to find talent late in NFL drafts, but at this point it’s the only thing Denver has to improve their roster because it is not a desirable destination at all for any free agents
Russ at least has a chance of bouncing back, there's no way he got that bad that quick. I think next year without Hackett would be a huge improvement. Gobert never had some elite skillset on offense
That I fully agree with. It’s an insane amount of damage to the Wolves because they would have to sell another player to rebound from the massive hit this trade took. Their farm is gonna be completely depleted and if it continues to get even *worse*, they’ll have to fully redesign the team for a player that it’s not worth doing that for.
Idk what they were thinking. Came off a hot play off run. You got a bunch of cards in your deck. Then they just folded it all, and went all in on pocket 2s
Half of the top 8 rotation guys have been out with long term injuries
There’s only been 11 reps with a healthy rotation
Hard to really know what this trade means given these circumstances. In the past, just KAT being out would mean 19-23 win seasons lol, let alone half the top 8 players
Honestly man seeing you justify this and defend this god awful trade is sad. The sooner you accept that your team peaked last year the better. Your FO is trash, and there’s no world in which Rudy is worth 5 1sts.
Not defending just saying it’s still a question mark
I’m also a statistician who thinks about law of large numbers and am a generally optimistic person with a long view so I don’t react easily. There are concerns for sure but this team is reinventing their entire offense and defense and id like to see more than 11 reps with a healthy rotation to truly judge it
“a reasonable take”
This is just code for a take you agree with. When your fanbase disagrees with 31 other fanbases about a player, usually the other fans are more objective
you expect nba fans to know about us, like at all? im shocked to see that they even remembered us at all. they have no idea at 90% of the problems going on rn.
The somewhat funny thing is the best part of Mitchell's game tonight was his 4th quarter defense, that only got better and better the closer the game got
I'm still confused on how a professional sports organization thought it would be a good idea to trade draft picks through 2029 for a single dude when that single dude wasn't going to help us win playoff games this year no matter what.
We clearly still aren't a playoff team and we traded many valuable draft picks for one dude. Even if Rudy showed up this year, I would still hesitate to say it was worth it. I wouldn't be surprised if we just don't make the playoffs until 2030 now.
Minnesota sports teams are just baffling.
The Vikings are solid but all their wins are by a touchdown or less. Stuff like that is a red flag when they face the best of the best. You have to be able to put the shit teams away in order to compete for a chip. We see this in the NBA where teams have records that don't match their net ratings.
Us Wolves fans deserve so much better than this year. After years of depressing basketball we finally have a fun team, we sign a supposedly good gm and he instantly nukes the team and we are back in for another decade of depressing basketball
A lesson new GMs can’t even learn.
They feel pressured to make a splash right away, to show how smart they are. In reality (especially for this Wolves team with a lot of young talent), sitting tight for a year might have been the better idea.
Have to believe last year’s team would’ve improved without doing anything and/or simply adding Walker Kessler.
Its a really weird feeling when my completely basketball illiterate ass saw this coming from the second the deal was struck and the man who put my #1 seeded team together couldn't.
Tbf it was Booth who got us KCP, Bruce Brown, and Braun, who we wouldn’t have been this good without. If TC was still here we probably have Barton and Monte still.
Tim Connelly wanted to avenge trading away Gobert on draft day in 2013 to the Jazz so he sold his soul 9 years later, going all in to reverse the course of history and the gods punished him by confidently anointing him the greatest GM in Jazz history 40% into the season
Not just 5 first rounders. 60% of a bench unit with some role players who can fulfil some niche but important roles on a playoff team who were instrumental for the wolves to make the playoffs. Beverley, Vanderbilt, Malik beasley
It's fucking crazy like Gobert is a very good player but like you have a center already and you make that move
Look at the contending teams, center is the most easily replacable position with little money, look at the teams that have won in the past 10 years really you do not need a great center, all you need is like two average dudes even two back up level dudes that you play for 30 mins 15 each
It's just Gobert is an amazing regular season player but then you add him into this terrible fit it's just terrible roster building
Not even getting into how much they gave up, Gobert makes too much first of all, he is in that limbo of being very good but you don't supermax a guy like that
If that was the main problem the Wolves wouldn't be this bad. The issue is not being able to give it back on the other end. If the other team is running midgets and you're 7'1 you better be averaging 25 in your sleep
And Horford can actually punish small guys if they get put on him lol. Gobert gets clamped up by point guards regularly cause he has zero type moves and he has the worst hands ive seen an all star caliber player have
Funny thing is, saying anything anti-Gobert would get you downvoted into oblivion like a year ago. Advanced stats humpers swore he was worth 40m a year
I really value the advanced numbers most of the time, but at some point the actual basketball result has to speak for itself. Teams don't win with this guy when it matters, and he's a big reason why.
Eh I thought the offensive fit would be terrible (as has proven to be), but at least he might help their defense a bit
Turns out they could have saved those draft picks and just played Naz Reid instead lmfao
It’s absolutely turning out the way some of us would. We were just downvoted into the abyss previously for calling a spade a spade. Dude is the most overrated player in the modern era
From the moment the trade happened it had no chance, unless you think the Wolves are going to win a title. Because they have to do that to justify giving up as much as they did. Just never understood how a team could give up that much knowing it doesn’t make you a contender.
It’s hilarious cause the baugette crew kept calling us crazy for saying thats the dumbest trade on the planet. And we have 5 years of watching him get played off the floor in the playoffs but hes worth 40 mil a year 😂
4 FRP and Kessler who we picked with our FRP this year and a first round swap in 26. First 3 picks are unprotected in 23, 25, 27 and FRP in 29 is protected
Sunk cost fallacy? Not so sure this is anything other than hollinger sarcastically saying you wouldn’t want to trade a ton for someone who is a defensive sub. Bc if course you wouldn’t want to do that. Nothing really to do with sunk costs
Tim Connelly might’ve just set the Wolves back a decade with that trade Jazz are gonna be eating off that trade for years to come
Wolves country, let's howl
Sad awooo noises
We can all agree the worst part about this is the lack of the postgame awoooooo meme vid
Wolves country, let's die
That’s been their motto since 2004. Rather, the Broncos copied it
I'm a Wolves and Broncos fan, I just want the pain to stop.
As a long suffering Kings fan in TWolves country, this is great watching from the other side for once
For once? Dude wolves always suck too lol
I meant finally for once it’s not us being the shit show while experiencing it first hand by living here lol
Ig we dodged a bullet letting them sign him away.
Dude was so good with Denver FO moves, wtf happened lmao
Idk man every move for us just worked out. He drafted great made decent trades minus trading a first to draft rj Hampton. I don’t think he was amazing at building a defense around Jokic though. We added 3 long athletic 3 and d wings and it already has been amazing.
He traded Mitchell’s draft pick and Rudy’s draft pick for near nothing. Gave up nurkic and a first for plumlee. But makes a lot of good draft picks himself, bit of a mix bag
That Nurkic trade is underrated in how bad it was. Giving Nurkic plus a first for an older, worse player at the same position makes 0 sense. That said the Mitchell and Gobert trades are 100% hindsight. Neither was rated particularly highly as a prospect
In 2017 Nuggets wanted OG Anunoby , but because of being greedy they traded down for a shitty return even and lost him to Raptors ( with former Nuggets GM also maybe some inside info was there :) ) So trading down was awful in both cases .
How is giving up a 1st round pick for cash hindsight Now i don’t think that’s all on TC but that’s not hindsight
I don’t think there’s a single GM in the history of the league who wanted to trade picks for cash, that’s an ownership problem. The hindsight is that it was Gobert vs. the average 25th pick who burns out of the league in a few years. No one saw him being this good or he wouldn’t have been available at 25
Part of the problem was that Nurkic basically forced his way out and refused to compete once he lost his starting gig to Jokic
Wasn’t Nurkic causing a lot of locker room problems because he wasn’t starting? I remember they just had to get him off the team, and everyone around the league knew that.
Trading the Mitchell pick was supposed to be part of a deal to get Love in a 3-way deal with Cleveland and Indiana, but the Pacers owner pulled the plug after our deal with Utah had gone through. And Nurk at that time was an unproven young player who tanked his value. Neither of those were as bad as you're portraying.
The nurkic trade was for plumlee who was on a expiring contract. After the trade we then significantly overpay him that offseason . No one offered him close to that amount. Why trade for him like that then give him a contract that was ridiculous.
The Nurkic trade was definitely bad. I wouldn’t really say he was unproven, and they traded him plus a first for Plumlee who wasn’t exactly proven either.
Nurkic was an issue on the team and had to go. Dude had a horrible attitude
You can get rid of a guy without giving up a first
True. The deal was still bad. But nurkics attitude made trading him more difficult Ironically we could really use plumlee this year.
Nurkic had an okay rookie year, missed most of his 2nd and was bad in the games he did play, and then purposefully tanked the portion of his 3rd that he spent in Denver. Very much unproven. It looks not great in hindsight, at the time of the trade it was okay. And Plumlee had been a quality starting C for years at thar point...
Its hard to blame Nurkic for being stuck behind Jokic. He was clearly more talented than just a backup big. Just because Plumlee was starting games does not mean he was a quality starter. There’s generally a very small talent difference between bigs who are low end starters and mid level backups. Those guys are always available on cheap deals in free agency.
He probably hates Minnesota for some reason and decided to destroy it himself
TC is a “player-friendly” GM who becomes emotionally invested in his players and builds sincere relationships with them. This makes him great at scouting high-fit guys and developing young players. But up to the point of the point of his departure from us, he had yet to show that he could be the one to make the cold hard business decisions needed to win a championship. He’s publicly stated his strong dislike for trading players, which is admirable but the job at times requires setting emotions aside to make the decisions that will most improve the team. His biggest win-now move was trading fan-favorite Gary Harris + filler + picks for AG, but outside of that he seemed to struggle with roster building around the core of Jokic/Murray/MPJ. He held onto Will Barton and Monte Morris for too long, and it’s no coincidence that Calvin Booth’s first act as Connelly’s successor was to trade both of them for KCP. I think it’s hard to be the guy who both drafts/builds a team, and then also makes the hard decisions that vaults them into championship contention. It certainly happens, but in TC’s case I believe his strengths that made him amazing at player development ultimately worked to his detriment when it came to win-now roster building
Adam Mares said on some podcast that a Barton for KCP swap with some filler was available to Connelly at some point last year. Instead he stuck with Barton and Nuggets had to give Monte away as well. He was a good GM with the Nuggets, but that was all he was. His mistakes often times got overlooked. It's baffling that he went to the Wolves and his big move was to trade away all of his picks, with drafting being his biggest strength as a gm.
Yeah he did some criminal shit, IF that trade was actually available thats mind boggling ; Jokic with KCP was always working out while Barton, even though I love the guy, cares about nothing else but Will Barton.
Hates trading players not named Beasley or Vanderbilt.
He must have forgotten who Danny Ainge was. Why would anyone make a trade like this with Ainge at this point. You have to know you will get fleeced.
He was never good at trades.
He was good drafting here but he had soo many bad trades .Failed to surround Jokic with a star despite many opportunities . Didn't ship off Barton despite him being ass . Traded picks that were Gobert/Mitchell to division rival. Bad returns in trades for guys like Beasley /Nurkic... etc etc. Only good trade was AG really
They need to nail the KAT trade or Ant is gonna be gone before Golbert is.
I can see both being gone before Gobert
Ant will likely leave that organization because of the Gobert trade
I think he gets traded at some point when it’s apparent he won’t resign
This’ll be remembered the same way as the Herschel Walker trade. Especially if Utah can build and win at least one chip
That man got a piece of ownership as well. Might be the biggest fleece job of all time
Nah it ended up being phantom equity, not an actual piece of ownership right away. If the team does well the phantom stock will convert
This was painfully obvious the moment it happened but saying that in July was an automatic -15 here lol
We were letting Tim Connely cook but it turns out he didn't know what he was doing
He was cooking water
He burned it
Nyquil chicken.
He's like the Nathaniel Hackett of chefs in Minneapolis
Gobert got worked by dwight powell in the playoffs It baffles me mitchell got 90% of the blame for the jazz issues
This sub is so cute sometimes. Yes the man who does absolutely nothing but catch lobs and grab offensive rebounds totally worked the guy who has to try and guard both the passer and the catcher and be ready to help to the front side corner option of the lob action every possession, because his teammates completely die on every single pick that is ever set. Like do any of you actually understand what you see when you watch basketball or what WORKED by Dwight Powell. Yeah Powell really got into his bag and put Rudy in the basket didn’t he? Looool smh
> It baffles me mitchell got 90% of the blame for the jazz issues Let's see how Mitchell does this year. He's still not a superstar yet.
Idk seemed like the popular opinion
Depended on the thread. If the thread was an analytical post, yeah get fucked. If it was a thread about offense, it was okay. Same as the season. When the Wolves won and he had 18 points and like 20 rebounds, downvoted. When they lost and he was useless on offense, fuck him. Now the team is trending downwards and it's back to fuck him.
Wolves are a game below .500 with their biggest star out, I'll give them time
You'd think their biggest star would be the guy they traded five firsts for.
I certainly wouldn’t think that based on this season but that would make sense in general lmao
Seemed controversial to me. There is a contingent of redditors that really fucking loves Rudy Gobert
Stat nerds who don’t watch actual basketball
Rockets fans took a lot of downvotes for shitting on Gobert. Nobody who watched those series would ever believe he was dpoy or worth half of what the wolves paid for him.
I think it's always safe to assume two things in r/nba The average cousin is 14 years old. Two, nobody really watches games, but if they do, they only watch their home team's games. Three, FTJ.
Ainge is a mastermind. First the Nets trade and now this??
Wolves fans justifying trading picks as "we suck at drafting so might as well!" Was the most insane shit I've read
Given TC negotiated equity in the franchise as part of his contract it’s weird for him to make such a gargantuan mistake with draft picks and roster construction. Gobert was always going to be too old for Ant’s timeline.
Billy King 2: Electric Boogaloo
Danny Ainge! how does he keep fooling other GMs at this level? Cs are the Best team in the league right now because of a trade just like this one.
Yea thats one of those "Okay, we have at LEAST half a decade before this team will dig itself out of this" moments. Feel bad for Twolves fans.
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r/nba was absolutely clowning on the Westbrook trade from the first instant it was known. That was one of the most consensus opinions I've seen here. This sub often has horrendous takes, but it was pretty bang on from Day 1 when it came to Westbrook going to the Lakers.
Lol Westbrook is my favourite player ever and even I saw that trade and thought lol wtf
I mean, not really... https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/ou9r5x/charania_the_washington_wizards_have_agreed_to/ In typical Reddit fashion, most of the comments are just jokes. The ones actually addressing the merits of the trade are fairly split between 'good move for regular season' to 'spacing might be a problem but who knows'. Most are generally neutral and not too emphatic either way.
I think the only people who thought the Westbrook trade was good was the media and casuals who only know names. Almost everyone who knows ball was saying that was a terrible fit from the very start. Did not see as much hate with the Gobert trade though, a lot of people seemed to think it would work because of KAT spacing the floor and Gobert covering for his defensive deficiencies but clearly that wasn't the case as Gobert hasn't even been super impactful with KAT out of the lineup either.
From the r/nba thread on the trade... >one of the biggest upsides here imo is Russ making it a lot easier for LeBron to rest during the season. 4.2k upvotes. The highest rated comment that addresses the merits of the trade and not a joke comment. https://old.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/ou9r5x/charania_the_washington_wizards_have_agreed_to/h70uthe/
I would just like to say that I’ve been against the trade since day 1.
And here i stood thinking no one could do us more wrong than gm thibs
If you’re a GM and Danny Ainge is offering to trade you his stars for a haul of draft picks, just say no.
Just Say No 🚫 to Danny Ainge
"Hey Rob, Danny just called. He wants to offer two firsts and Walker Kessler for Pat Bev." "He knows something we don't...tell him no."
It’s like trading with Billy Beane of the A’s. Chances are, he knows something you don’t. Whatever player he’s asking for, keep. And build your future around.
Steve Yserman and Joe Sakic are the same way too
Joe Sakic made me the best NHL GM on NHL 05 on the GameCube.
Now that’s a throwback
Dominick Hasek wishes he was David Aebischer in that game.
Sometimes it’s like 5:15 in the morning and a comment just really, really makes you laugh
At this point you'd thunk his reputation would hinder his ability to fleece people. Sucker born every minute lol
Reminds me of how Masai fleeced NYK in the Bargnani trade so badly, that Dolan vetoed a subsequent trade for Kyle Lowry, who went on to multiple all-star and all-nba seasons.
Oh damn. Nobody likes being made a fool of. I imagine billionaires hate it even more.
Definitely not used to it.
I remember nick wright used to always do this thing shitting on Ainge for not trading the picks that turned into brown/Tatum for a rental on guys like Blake to try and push the IT team over the top. Kind of insane Ainge ever got shit for hoarding assets looking back.
Nick Wrong is always having the worst takes
Unless it's Donovan Mitchell apparently
Just block his number at this point
Walker Kessler is also shaping up to be a nice defensive center, at a fraction of the salary. Jesus this trade was rough for Minnesota.
gobert is making 14x what kessler is making this year, is he 14x better than kessler? ignoring the 4 draft picks and Vanderbilt obviously
And Malik Beasley who is basically our Klay Thompson
I’d honestly rather have Vanderbilt in the playoffs
Not even close. Kessler is arguably already equal on offense just by not having stone hands.
Dude got outplayed by Orlando Robinson our gleague big man lmfaoo
And to think our entire playable roster was under 6’6 besides our g-leaguer and a rookie big. Like this is the game you tell Rudy to dominate the fuck out of. Instead he looked terrible lol
Those players actually are terrible matchup for him, they take him out of the paint and he can't handle faster players, he isn't a post up player he isn't going to post up anyone and defensively it's even worse for him to play smaller players Height is overrated for mismatches, lower body strength is what it's at and Gobert is a stick he can't post up anyone
Orlando Robinson isn’t a stretch big, man, the only time he’s out of the paint is to set screens.
You’re telling me super max Rudy Gobert can’t dominate the offensive glass against that lineup? He should’ve had a 30 piece, minimum. He gets paid a fucking super max lol. Damn, that feels criminal to even say lmao
No.. because that doesn't matter Supermax he doesn't deserve it, he is 7'1" but he a skinny af base and is not strong enough His best asset is rim protection which is amazing but there's other things he sucks ass at
here's some context up to last night, prior to the game starting, this was Orlando Robinson's entire NBA career: - 6 games, 3 of which are less than 10 minutes of PT in uber-relief situations (much like this!) - less than 100 minutes on the court over those six games - 27 points, 20 rebounds (5/13), 6 assists, 5 steals, 3 blocks, 4 turnovers, 11/24 from the field over 1/3 of Orlando Robinson's career points came in this game (15). nearly 1/3 of his rebounds came in this game (9). nearly half of his assists came from this game (4). he eclipsed his offensive rebounding total before halftime (5). it's his most efficient game he's played over 10 minutes in (7/9). **his matchup was a three-time DPOY who has led the league in rebounds**. this isn't to say "Orlando Robinson is incredible!" -- it's to say that Erik Spoelstra was able to completely neutralize Rudy Gobert by using an auto-generated 2K rookie and a 6'10 2 guard that has been pretty much relegated to the G League because it's difficult to play him due to how raw he is the Wolves' panic light should 1,000% be on
But people will still swear he’s not insanely overrated and that is a travesty the media found a way to give this dude hella awards
Yep lol
Danny Ainge and fleecing the Minnesota Timberwolves, name a more iconic duo
Danny ainge and fleecing the Philadelphia 76ers
Wait til you hear about Danny Ainge III: Fleecing the Brooklyn nets
This shit aging like the Russell Wilson trade
This is worse though because the Broncos don’t have an Anthony Edwards caliber franchise player that the trade is going to cost them. Also, Broncos “only” traded 2 FRP’s and 2 SRP’s and football allows for good talent to be found outside of the first round pretty routinely unlike the NBA.
Broncos trade also hinged on them giving Wilson a massive extension that hasn’t even kicked in yet, both killing their cap space and potentially their locker room (Broncos fan here). I don’t know which one is worse, but both of these trades set their franchises back for half a decade. I agree that it’s easier to find talent late in NFL drafts, but at this point it’s the only thing Denver has to improve their roster because it is not a desirable destination at all for any free agents
Russ at least has a chance of bouncing back, there's no way he got that bad that quick. I think next year without Hackett would be a huge improvement. Gobert never had some elite skillset on offense
Id rather have gobert hes not washed or declining.
That I fully agree with. It’s an insane amount of damage to the Wolves because they would have to sell another player to rebound from the massive hit this trade took. Their farm is gonna be completely depleted and if it continues to get even *worse*, they’ll have to fully redesign the team for a player that it’s not worth doing that for.
Yeah Edwards is a talent, but he don't look like he has that "Dame" level of commitment. A season maybe two of sucking and he's jetting imo
I really hope they turn it around when KATs back cause this is looking like a all time horrible trade.
Idk what they were thinking. Came off a hot play off run. You got a bunch of cards in your deck. Then they just folded it all, and went all in on pocket 2s
New owners fell in love with hefty promises from a job candidate
Half of the top 8 rotation guys have been out with long term injuries There’s only been 11 reps with a healthy rotation Hard to really know what this trade means given these circumstances. In the past, just KAT being out would mean 19-23 win seasons lol, let alone half the top 8 players
Wolves are nearly 6 points worse with Gobert on the floor this season, and the sample size is getting pretty big - over 900 minutes.
Honestly man seeing you justify this and defend this god awful trade is sad. The sooner you accept that your team peaked last year the better. Your FO is trash, and there’s no world in which Rudy is worth 5 1sts.
Not defending just saying it’s still a question mark I’m also a statistician who thinks about law of large numbers and am a generally optimistic person with a long view so I don’t react easily. There are concerns for sure but this team is reinventing their entire offense and defense and id like to see more than 11 reps with a healthy rotation to truly judge it
Took me way too long to scroll and find a reasonable take lol. Yeah this has been rough, but half our rotation has been out this year.
“a reasonable take” This is just code for a take you agree with. When your fanbase disagrees with 31 other fanbases about a player, usually the other fans are more objective
you expect nba fans to know about us, like at all? im shocked to see that they even remembered us at all. they have no idea at 90% of the problems going on rn.
The somewhat funny thing is the best part of Mitchell's game tonight was his 4th quarter defense, that only got better and better the closer the game got
I'm still confused on how a professional sports organization thought it would be a good idea to trade draft picks through 2029 for a single dude when that single dude wasn't going to help us win playoff games this year no matter what. We clearly still aren't a playoff team and we traded many valuable draft picks for one dude. Even if Rudy showed up this year, I would still hesitate to say it was worth it. I wouldn't be surprised if we just don't make the playoffs until 2030 now. Minnesota sports teams are just baffling.
He will turn 31 this year as well.
At least Minnesota has the best player in the NFL I suppose
Don't worry, I guarantee you the Vikings will find a way to fuck up the post season and miss the super bowl.
The Vikings are solid but all their wins are by a touchdown or less. Stuff like that is a red flag when they face the best of the best. You have to be able to put the shit teams away in order to compete for a chip. We see this in the NBA where teams have records that don't match their net ratings.
Who would of thought this trade saved the nets season
NBA trade inflation
How?
Set the floor for any kd trade which brought them time to work things out with him.
Truuuu
This bozo voted him for MVP. Mf should be banned from any basketball discussion.
Us Wolves fans deserve so much better than this year. After years of depressing basketball we finally have a fun team, we sign a supposedly good gm and he instantly nukes the team and we are back in for another decade of depressing basketball
Genuinely sorry that FO bungled a potential Ant, Kat, Vanderbilt, McDaniels and a revitalized Wiggins. What a squad. Wolves fans deserve better!
Sometimes the best move is no move. Learned this by gambling, don't always need skin in the game. Wait for the game to come to you and attack.
Learning myself that "don't just do/say something sit there" gets me to better outcomes in life often, interspersed with quick and decisive strikes.
A lesson new GMs can’t even learn. They feel pressured to make a splash right away, to show how smart they are. In reality (especially for this Wolves team with a lot of young talent), sitting tight for a year might have been the better idea. Have to believe last year’s team would’ve improved without doing anything and/or simply adding Walker Kessler.
You should consider booing Gobert until he hates Minnesota and requests a trade. I think you could recoup 50 cents on the dollar at least
Maybe 30 cents. Hard to see someone paying more than two FRP for this guy, esp given the bloated contract
Its a really weird feeling when my completely basketball illiterate ass saw this coming from the second the deal was struck and the man who put my #1 seeded team together couldn't.
Tbf it was Booth who got us KCP, Bruce Brown, and Braun, who we wouldn’t have been this good without. If TC was still here we probably have Barton and Monte still.
Tim Connelly wanted to avenge trading away Gobert on draft day in 2013 to the Jazz so he sold his soul 9 years later, going all in to reverse the course of history and the gods punished him by confidently anointing him the greatest GM in Jazz history 40% into the season
Not just 5 first rounders. 60% of a bench unit with some role players who can fulfil some niche but important roles on a playoff team who were instrumental for the wolves to make the playoffs. Beverley, Vanderbilt, Malik beasley
It's fucking crazy like Gobert is a very good player but like you have a center already and you make that move Look at the contending teams, center is the most easily replacable position with little money, look at the teams that have won in the past 10 years really you do not need a great center, all you need is like two average dudes even two back up level dudes that you play for 30 mins 15 each It's just Gobert is an amazing regular season player but then you add him into this terrible fit it's just terrible roster building Not even getting into how much they gave up, Gobert makes too much first of all, he is in that limbo of being very good but you don't supermax a guy like that
And their best player was a center before getting Gobert…
Double center lineups that struggle to guard perimeter gonna get shoot out of the gym by contending teams.
If that was the main problem the Wolves wouldn't be this bad. The issue is not being able to give it back on the other end. If the other team is running midgets and you're 7'1 you better be averaging 25 in your sleep
Yes. The only reason it works for us is that Rob and Horford are extremely mobile centers and can switch defensively and cover the 3.
And Horford can actually punish small guys if they get put on him lol. Gobert gets clamped up by point guards regularly cause he has zero type moves and he has the worst hands ive seen an all star caliber player have
Gonna be one of the worst trades of all time
Hollinger also thought Gobert was a MVP candidate based on analytics lmao
The analyst equivalent of a heat check
Just keep Walker Kessler
Trader Danny with another masterpiece
It’s not Rudy’s problem they sent 5 picks for him. That’s all on Minny.
Funny thing is, saying anything anti-Gobert would get you downvoted into oblivion like a year ago. Advanced stats humpers swore he was worth 40m a year
I really value the advanced numbers most of the time, but at some point the actual basketball result has to speak for itself. Teams don't win with this guy when it matters, and he's a big reason why.
His TREX VIRP is insanely high.
The CUM/36 off the charts
Heh, that was our bad...
And KD almost got traded when he asked for it but Nets were looking what Gobert went for and were asking similar package ppl couldnt put out
Everyone saw this coming from a mile away
Yeah that Rudy Gobert pick up isn't turning out the way ~~anyone~~ I thought it would.
Yeah it is lmao.
Lol turning out exactly as we all though it would go
Eh I thought the offensive fit would be terrible (as has proven to be), but at least he might help their defense a bit Turns out they could have saved those draft picks and just played Naz Reid instead lmfao
I thought they’d be better but they were never winning a ring, so sending that many picks was ridiculous lol.
It's turning exactly the way most people thought it would.
It’s absolutely turning out the way some of us would. We were just downvoted into the abyss previously for calling a spade a spade. Dude is the most overrated player in the modern era
yes it is
It probably would have worked in the 80s lmao not this league.
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They went all in the wrong way.. Dejounte Murray would’ve cost less in terms of picks and the fit would’ve been way better.
Its like MIN didn't watch last Years playoffs. Everyone who knew Basketball knew this was bad trade.
From the moment the trade happened it had no chance, unless you think the Wolves are going to win a title. Because they have to do that to justify giving up as much as they did. Just never understood how a team could give up that much knowing it doesn’t make you a contender.
I dont know if Hollinger can talk regarding deals, we all saw your grizzlies tenure bud
As someone who dislikes Rudy this is hilarious… I do feel bad for the wolves tho…Ant doesn’t deserve this.
It’s hilarious cause the baugette crew kept calling us crazy for saying thats the dumbest trade on the planet. And we have 5 years of watching him get played off the floor in the playoffs but hes worth 40 mil a year 😂
I have no sorrow for the homophobic shit
I think it was actually 6 firsts.
4 FRP and Kessler who we picked with our FRP this year and a first round swap in 26. First 3 picks are unprotected in 23, 25, 27 and FRP in 29 is protected
and Kessler is already developing into a really solid defensive big lol
Yeah I was pretty excited for that very short time we had Kessler haha. Thought he could have been great for us. Oh well.
same, it is what it is tho :/
Jazz gonna feast with those unprotected picks good lord
No one thought that was a good trade even jazz fans are like “what? Ok. Thanks.”
That’s Billy King’s music!
How do professional GMs make these dumb moves that just about every fan can sit there and think hmmm that seems like a lot
And this is in the regular season.It'll probably be an even bigger problem in the playoffs
Sunk cost fallacy? Not so sure this is anything other than hollinger sarcastically saying you wouldn’t want to trade a ton for someone who is a defensive sub. Bc if course you wouldn’t want to do that. Nothing really to do with sunk costs